Comments on: Academic Racism: Into the Muck http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/09/academic-racism-into-the-muck/ Hatewatch is a blog of the Southern Poverty Law Center Fri, 24 May 2013 18:34:23 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: John http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/09/academic-racism-into-the-muck/comment-page-1/#comment-532227 John Mon, 06 Aug 2012 05:57:11 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/09/academic-racism-into-the-muck/#comment-532227 "In fact, the weight of current scientific evidence suggests that differences in IQ between racial groups are PRINCIPALLY caused by environmental factors." -Mark Potok And you haven't escaped the racist taint either, you've just understated what you're apparently trying to refute. A recent study showed that when knowledge is held constant, any so-called intelligence gap disappears. Just take people on their individual merits and forget about the false abstraction of "race" which the Human Genome Project and American Anthropological Association completely undermines. “In fact, the weight of current scientific evidence suggests that differences in IQ between racial groups are PRINCIPALLY caused by environmental factors.”

-Mark Potok

And you haven’t escaped the racist taint either, you’ve just understated what you’re apparently trying to refute.

A recent study showed that when knowledge is held constant, any so-called intelligence gap disappears.

Just take people on their individual merits and forget about the false abstraction of “race” which the Human Genome Project and American Anthropological Association completely undermines.

]]> By: DC Darensbourg http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/09/academic-racism-into-the-muck/comment-page-1/#comment-196966 DC Darensbourg Wed, 22 Sep 2010 04:16:25 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/09/academic-racism-into-the-muck/#comment-196966 It is apparent that intelligence quotients mean more to some than they do to others. It is the height of ignorance to assume that genetics void of environmental considerations make for intelligence. It is alarming that so called scientists publish articles that don't consider various kinds of intelligence such as artistic,creative,linguistic,athletic intelligence. I.Q. Tests reveal what has been disseminated and regurgitated. Genetics are only a piece of the puzzle. Races are as they are because of exposure and reinforcement. Science bears this out-period! It is apparent that intelligence quotients mean more to some than they do to others. It is the height of ignorance to assume that genetics void of environmental considerations make for intelligence. It is alarming that so called scientists publish articles that don’t consider various kinds of intelligence such as artistic,creative,linguistic,athletic intelligence. I.Q. Tests reveal what has been disseminated and regurgitated. Genetics are only a piece of the puzzle. Races are as they are because of exposure and reinforcement. Science bears this out-period!

]]> By: E.C. http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/09/academic-racism-into-the-muck/comment-page-1/#comment-23310 E.C. Mon, 02 Jun 2008 08:20:38 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/09/academic-racism-into-the-muck/#comment-23310 First, Jewish people are the most intelligent. They win almost 40% of the Nobel Prize's and they have a small population of only 14 million. So by far they exceed the other races in intelligence. The other races having huge numbers and such small contributions. Second, IQ tests, test intellectual conformity, not creativity and originality. This would explain the Asian high IQ's. They as a people are the ultimate conformists. In IQ tests there is typically only one answer to the problem. That problem being a social conformity to reason. But everyone knows that Genius's and all the greatest developments in the world are not the product of conformity. Conformity never breeds creativity. We can see this in the lack of influence the Asian population has had on Science. China used to be called the "sick man" of Asia. Their population is massive and their contribution to innovation is almost nil. We can see this lack of originality in their adoptation of European philosophies, I.e. Communism. Friedrich Nietzsche and other Philosophers have made critized Asian. Nietsche used the words "Pallid osification" to describe Orientals. Pallid: lacking sparkle or liveliness, dull. Osification: Process of becoming inflexible: the process of becoming set and inflexible in behavior, attitudes, and actions. Inflexible conformity: rigid, unthinking acceptance of social conventions. The reality is Asian people have yet to understand that laws and rules are arbitrary. Europeans make the rules and Asian's follow them. It also doesn't make sense that Asian's are considered smart because of the fact that they have destroyed their own countries. This is due to over-population and their basic lack of enviromental understanding. It is also common scientific fact that women who have many children are ignorant, and those who have less children are more intelligent. This has already been proven in studies. So it seems strange to say that Asians are smart when the obviousness of their backwards countries, and medieval lifestyle makes them contrary to that premise. Europeans have the most advanced civilizations and every other race has yet to meet these levels other than the Japanese. The Japanese only being good at copying other people's inventions and making them better. Other than that their original creativity is lacking as well. They took American cars and made them better. They took the German camera and made it better. And they took German steel and made it better. Otherwise the greatest advances still come from Europeans and Jews. Other than that the Orientals have yet to produce an Einstein or a Thomas Edison. When it comes to Black people. It makes sense that they have low intellectual comformity, I.e. IQ tests. They are far too creative to be trapped in this unoriginal form of conditioning. You can tell their creative capacity in their athletics, music, dance, and the way they talk. They by far exceed the Asiatic races in these areas. Being better singers, musicians ect. Blacks far exceed Asians in emotive expression. In all of North America there is only one or two famous high-paid Asian actors. Reality, Europeans rule the world and they have allowed others to exist only out of desire for economic bennifet. They, (Europeans) are also the physically strongest, winning the Strongest Man competitions again and again. And they have become the most effective hunters due to their neccesity for animal food stuffs in a northern climate with lack of vegetables. The greater the conformity, the weaker the race. Thus we see the races as they are today. The wild animal being bred out of man, and the physically impotent, conformist thriving. Otherwise "Group psychology" is the most destructive thing in the world. All these stereotypes are false when it comes to the individual. Individualism is the most important thing for this time. All countries, Relgions, groups need to dissolve for man to live in peace. First,
Jewish people are the most intelligent. They win almost 40% of the Nobel Prize’s and they have a small population of only 14 million. So by far they exceed the other races in intelligence. The other races having huge numbers and such small contributions.

Second,
IQ tests, test intellectual conformity, not creativity and originality. This would explain the Asian high IQ’s. They as a people are the ultimate conformists.

In IQ tests there is typically only one answer to the problem. That problem being a social conformity to reason. But everyone knows that Genius’s and all the greatest developments in the world are not the product of conformity. Conformity never breeds creativity. We can see this in the lack of influence the Asian population has had on Science. China used to be called the “sick man” of Asia. Their population is massive and their contribution to innovation is almost nil. We can see this lack of originality in their adoptation of European philosophies, I.e. Communism.

Friedrich Nietzsche and other Philosophers have made critized Asian. Nietsche used the words “Pallid osification” to describe Orientals.

Pallid: lacking sparkle or liveliness, dull.

Osification: Process of becoming inflexible: the process of becoming set and inflexible in behavior, attitudes, and actions. Inflexible conformity: rigid, unthinking acceptance of social conventions.

The reality is Asian people have yet to understand that laws and rules are arbitrary. Europeans make the rules and Asian’s follow them.

It also doesn’t make sense that Asian’s are considered smart because of the fact that they have destroyed their own countries. This is due to over-population and their basic lack of enviromental understanding.

It is also common scientific fact that women who have many children are ignorant, and those who have less children are more intelligent. This has already been proven in studies. So it seems strange to say that Asians are smart when the obviousness of their backwards countries, and medieval lifestyle makes them contrary to that premise.

Europeans have the most advanced civilizations and every other race has yet to meet these levels other than the Japanese. The Japanese only being good at copying other people’s inventions and making them better. Other than that their original creativity is lacking as well. They took American cars and made them better. They took the German camera and made it better. And they took German steel and made it better. Otherwise the greatest advances still come from Europeans and Jews. Other than that the Orientals have yet to produce an Einstein or a Thomas Edison.

When it comes to Black people. It makes sense that they have low intellectual comformity, I.e. IQ tests. They are far too creative to be trapped in this unoriginal form of conditioning. You can tell their creative capacity in their athletics, music, dance, and the way they talk. They by far exceed the Asiatic races in these areas. Being better singers, musicians ect. Blacks far exceed Asians in emotive expression. In all of North America there is only one or two famous high-paid Asian actors.

Reality, Europeans rule the world and they have allowed others to exist only out of desire for economic bennifet. They, (Europeans) are also the physically strongest, winning the Strongest Man competitions again and again. And they have become the most effective hunters due to their neccesity for animal food stuffs in a northern climate with lack of vegetables.

The greater the conformity, the weaker the race. Thus we see the races as they are today. The wild animal being bred out of man, and the physically impotent, conformist thriving.

Otherwise “Group psychology” is the most destructive thing in the world. All these stereotypes are false when it comes to the individual. Individualism is the most important thing for this time. All countries, Relgions, groups need to dissolve for man to live in peace.

]]> By: NL http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/09/academic-racism-into-the-muck/comment-page-1/#comment-15777 NL Tue, 29 Jan 2008 20:36:38 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/09/academic-racism-into-the-muck/#comment-15777 I am really chocked by the perseption of some people. Linking the intelligence to the race by a simple IQ test! The IQ test is, like the name says it, a "test of intelligence" but how can a simple test measure the complex psychological level of intelligence? Like some pretends, Black people have a lower IQ level, but it doesn't mean, they are less intelligent. The IQ test is actually to see how logic we are, and maybe genetically, Black people are less logic because, in the past, they just don't needed to be logic, they were adapted to their environment. Have you ever heart about Darwin? Maybe Black people are less brilliant at solving the IQ questions but they certainly have other skills that White people don't have! What I am trying to say is not that anyone here is racist, but some have a lack of comprehension of the human psychology. It's easy to be convinced that the intelligence doesn't have anything to do with that little IQ test. Intelligence is complex and has nothing to do with race! I am really chocked by the perseption of some people. Linking the intelligence to the race by a simple IQ test! The IQ test is, like the name says it, a “test of intelligence” but how can a simple test measure the complex psychological level of intelligence? Like some pretends, Black people have a lower IQ level, but it doesn’t mean, they are less intelligent. The IQ test is actually to see how logic we are, and maybe genetically, Black people are less logic because, in the past, they just don’t needed to be logic, they were adapted to their environment. Have you ever heart about Darwin? Maybe Black people are less brilliant at solving the IQ questions but they certainly have other skills that White people don’t have!

What I am trying to say is not that anyone here is racist, but some have a lack of comprehension of the human psychology. It’s easy to be convinced that the intelligence doesn’t have anything to do with that little IQ test. Intelligence is complex and has nothing to do with race!

]]> By: carter http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/09/academic-racism-into-the-muck/comment-page-1/#comment-13583 carter Sat, 12 Jan 2008 22:16:16 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/09/academic-racism-into-the-muck/#comment-13583 I realize I can't edit what I said AFTER I pressed "submit", so I wanted to add something and apologize for my poor grammar. I tested low in my public school. I am middle aged now. I work with my hands. I knew I'd never be a doctor or a lawyer. But so what? Someone has to repair a car or a refrigerator. That doesn't make me any less of a value to society. It actually doesn't matter to me if I don't test as well as another person. My value as a human being isn't reflected in some test score that someone notes on my academic record. I seriously doubt that when I go to my Maker that I'm going to get a whipping for poor grammar or lack of capitalization. I realize I can’t edit what I said AFTER I pressed “submit”, so I wanted to add something and apologize for my poor grammar.

I tested low in my public school. I am middle aged now. I work with my hands. I knew I’d never be a doctor or a lawyer. But so what? Someone has to repair a car or a refrigerator. That doesn’t make me any less of a value to society. It actually doesn’t matter to me if I don’t test as well as another person. My value as a human being isn’t reflected in some test score that someone notes on my academic record. I seriously doubt that when I go to my Maker that I’m going to get a whipping for poor grammar or lack of capitalization.

]]> By: carter http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/09/academic-racism-into-the-muck/comment-page-1/#comment-13581 carter Sat, 12 Jan 2008 22:02:16 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/09/academic-racism-into-the-muck/#comment-13581 I am commenting o the commentary " Interested Reader" made in response to my rhetorical question. We have many "if's" in this subject. let us begin with the environmental factors. "IF" there are environmental factors within American society that may point to the US Public School System doing such an unbelievably poor job that no matter of money may repair it. The Public Schools consistently asks for more money; the product we have for this increase in spending is that Johnny still can't read. marketing & advertising may be another of these factors; if they do exist. Black Americans are shown that athletes are depicted as the success-group typically. The route to that success is very limited as the population can't support that many athletes and their wonderful contributions to society are questionable at best. therefore if there are environmental factors at play in this; they are quite damning! This individual goes on: "But what if low Black achievement is NOT due to White racism, slavery or colonialism, but is due to low IQ? Then we need a different set of solutions. For example, if we accept that a certain percentage of Africans will never be academically gifted, and will not be suited to become physicians, scientists, engineers, etc. Perhaps the best thing to do is to create more high-paying jobs in low-skilled fields." Black achievement or under achievement IS NOT due to anything anyone but Black Americans do. In this I completely agree. The need for jobs in the private sector is high and not everyone is suited for a university-level education. I am not playing a blame-game. I am saying however that the educational establishment has played a falsehood out to an extent that is powerfully undermining. There are no skilled worker jobs to be funded anymore. there are no technical schools. They are all replaced with academia that is rampant with liberal arts education; that leaves behind those who are better suited to skilled labor. Both black & white children are cheated by academia and the Teacher's Union who has perpetuated this fraud. The PUBLIC SCHOOLS in the USA are third rate at best and produce a very poor product. That in turn makes for almost insurmountable hardship. The problems lay not at the door of the individual test score but at the door of the teacher who just wants to keep themselves employed. It matter very little if one child tests lower than another on certain levels. I'd bet a physicist would have a hard time fixing his own car! I am commenting o the commentary ” Interested Reader” made in response to my rhetorical question.

We have many “if’s” in this subject. let us begin with the environmental factors. “IF” there are environmental factors within American society that may point to the US Public School System doing such an unbelievably poor job that no matter of money may repair it. The Public Schools consistently asks for more money; the product we have for this increase in spending is that Johnny still can’t read.
marketing & advertising may be another of these factors; if they do exist. Black Americans are shown that athletes are depicted as the success-group typically. The route to that success is very limited as the population can’t support that many athletes and their wonderful contributions to society are questionable at best. therefore if there are environmental factors at play in this; they are quite damning!

This individual goes on:
“But what if low Black achievement is NOT due to White racism, slavery or colonialism, but is due to low IQ? Then we need a different set of solutions. For example, if we accept that a certain percentage of Africans will never be academically gifted, and will not be suited to become physicians, scientists, engineers, etc. Perhaps the best thing to do is to create more high-paying jobs in low-skilled fields.”

Black achievement or under achievement IS NOT due to anything anyone but Black Americans do. In this I completely agree. The need for jobs in the private sector is high and not everyone is suited for a university-level education. I am not playing a blame-game. I am saying however that the educational establishment has played a falsehood out to an extent that is powerfully undermining. There are no skilled worker jobs to be funded anymore. there are no technical schools. They are all replaced with academia that is rampant with liberal arts education; that leaves behind those who are better suited to skilled labor. Both black & white children are cheated by academia and the Teacher’s Union who has perpetuated this fraud. The PUBLIC SCHOOLS in the USA are third rate at best and produce a very poor product. That in turn makes for almost insurmountable hardship. The problems lay not at the door of the individual test score but at the door of the teacher who just wants to keep themselves employed. It matter very little if one child tests lower than another on certain levels. I’d bet a physicist would have a hard time fixing his own car!

]]> By: Brian Stewart http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/09/academic-racism-into-the-muck/comment-page-1/#comment-10241 Brian Stewart Mon, 17 Dec 2007 01:56:32 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/09/academic-racism-into-the-muck/#comment-10241 Wow! This page is one slippery slope into the voodoo world of eugenics. Everyone is racist to some degree if they have eyes and are in the world, its just in how they use this, in mean ways to manipulate and segregate and rule or in ways to better integrate themselves and add to their knowledge base. More important is child rearing or lack of it in developing and harnessing a productive I.Q., in positively rather than negatively socializing a child as part of a greater societaly team or tribe. Fatherless children just don't do as well. Boy's without fathers have more discipline problems, more drug and violence problems, more of their own future family problems, and prison problems which means a lifetime of decayed earnings. Raw I.Q. alone is meaningless when there lacks an intelligent family culture to nurture it. Gangs are no substitute for a natural family of positive socialization. Its this more than anything else that leads to bad outcomes for children, their communities and the greater society. The human biosubstrate is so malleable that the local environment it lives in has profound shaping powers that ultimately overdrive individual I.Q.'s potentials. A community filled with fear, anger, constant retribution, violence as the problem solver, lack of adult supervision, a culuture of corruption over the very simple basics of everyday living will doom everyone's I.Q. potential to underperformance. Prisons, filled with fear and raw mammalian power games, constant noise, and assorted degradations and deadening of the creative senses will squash any I.Q. to where a junior high mentality totally prevails even in adults three times that age. All of this goes back to the primary environment an I.Q. finds itself in as to whether it will do itself or anyone else any good. Wow! This page is one slippery slope into the voodoo world of eugenics. Everyone is racist to some degree if they have eyes and are in the world, its just in how they use this, in mean ways to manipulate and segregate and rule or in ways to better integrate themselves and add to their knowledge base. More important is child rearing or lack of it in developing and harnessing a productive I.Q., in positively rather than negatively socializing a child as part of a greater societaly team or tribe. Fatherless children just don’t do as well. Boy’s without fathers have more discipline problems, more drug and violence problems, more of their own future family problems, and prison problems which means a lifetime of decayed earnings. Raw I.Q. alone is meaningless when there lacks an intelligent family culture to nurture it. Gangs are no substitute for a natural family of positive socialization. Its this more than anything else that leads to bad outcomes for children, their communities and the greater society. The human biosubstrate is so malleable that the local environment it lives in has profound shaping powers that ultimately overdrive individual I.Q.’s potentials. A community filled with fear, anger, constant retribution, violence as the problem solver, lack of adult supervision, a culuture of corruption over the very simple basics of everyday living will doom everyone’s I.Q. potential to underperformance. Prisons, filled with fear and raw mammalian power games, constant noise, and assorted degradations and deadening of the creative senses will squash any I.Q. to where a junior high mentality totally prevails even in adults three times that age. All of this goes back to the primary environment an I.Q. finds itself in as to whether it will do itself or anyone else any good.

]]> By: huh? http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/09/academic-racism-into-the-muck/comment-page-1/#comment-10102 huh? Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:20:54 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/09/academic-racism-into-the-muck/#comment-10102 What people are failing to recognize is that social factors do exist within this subject. From poorly funded and poorly kept schools, there are not only blacks with lower IQ's, but whites as well. Of course you're going to have so called data on lower IQ's when these students have not had an equal chance to prove better IQ's. Put these students in schools that are well funded, well kept and encouraging and I believe your findings would be much different. Call me a liberal expletive if you want, but I'd rather be posiive then be some cynical jerk. I'd like to see some of you survive and get the education needed in many of these schools. What people are failing to recognize is that social factors do exist within this subject. From poorly funded and poorly kept schools, there are not only blacks with lower IQ’s, but whites as well. Of course you’re going to have so called data on lower IQ’s when these students have not had an equal chance to prove better IQ’s. Put these students in schools that are well funded, well kept and encouraging and I believe your findings would be much different. Call me a liberal expletive if you want, but I’d rather be posiive then be some cynical jerk. I’d like to see some of you survive and get the education needed in many of these schools.

]]> By: Wilco1 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/09/academic-racism-into-the-muck/comment-page-1/#comment-10099 Wilco1 Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:24:39 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/09/academic-racism-into-the-muck/#comment-10099 What on SPLC's homepage is anti-white? What on SPLC’s homepage is anti-white?

]]> By: Zeugitai http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/09/academic-racism-into-the-muck/comment-page-1/#comment-10085 Zeugitai Fri, 14 Dec 2007 11:09:55 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/09/academic-racism-into-the-muck/#comment-10085 This thread reads like a fireside chat on the beach in Lord of the Flies! If you are so sure that your white brains are bigger and better, why don't you have the emotional security in your superior intelligence that would lift you above participation in what amounts to a pack of yapping dogs baring their teeth? You kid yourselves that this "discussion" is logical or factual; it is nothing but profound prejudice being bruited about brutishly. Yeah, now go ahead and bite my ankles like the proud pit bulls you are. Too bad you can't have the pleasure of actually drawing blood. This thread reads like a fireside chat on the beach in Lord of the Flies! If you are so sure that your white brains are bigger and better, why don’t you have the emotional security in your superior intelligence that would lift you above participation in what amounts to a pack of yapping dogs baring their teeth? You kid yourselves that this “discussion” is logical or factual; it is nothing but profound prejudice being bruited about brutishly. Yeah, now go ahead and bite my ankles like the proud pit bulls you are. Too bad you can’t have the pleasure of actually drawing blood.

]]> By: 212s.com http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/09/academic-racism-into-the-muck/comment-page-1/#comment-10055 212s.com Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:03:05 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/09/academic-racism-into-the-muck/#comment-10055 You know what, it not just white people who can be racist or prejudiced. Chinese and others have similar thought process. Even Vietnamese rich people think that Vietnamese poor people are not as smart. People who are more successful tend to think that those who are less successful are not as smart. And they tend to fight to keep the status quo because they feel good about being the ones who are more successful, and thus proven to be more intelligent. It is called oppression. It is a common phenomena everywhere. In fact this is the factor that got a lot of ruling class in many countries into troubles. The ones that are more fortunate just don't care for the ones that are less fortunate. And they often try to justify the status quo by coming up with theories to explain the situation, theories that most of the time put the blame on the less fortunate ones. You know what, it not just white people who can be racist or prejudiced. Chinese and others have similar thought process. Even Vietnamese rich people think that Vietnamese poor people are not as smart. People who are more successful tend to think that those who are less successful are not as smart. And they tend to fight to keep the status quo because they feel good about being the ones who are more successful, and thus proven to be more intelligent.

It is called oppression. It is a common phenomena everywhere. In fact this is the factor that got a lot of ruling class in many countries into troubles. The ones that are more fortunate just don’t care for the ones that are less fortunate. And they often try to justify the status quo by coming up with theories to explain the situation, theories that most of the time put the blame on the less fortunate ones.

]]> By: Jenny Jo http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/09/academic-racism-into-the-muck/comment-page-1/#comment-10029 Jenny Jo Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:41:09 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/09/academic-racism-into-the-muck/#comment-10029 The quote from Kamau Kambon didn't include the reference to exterminating white people, that I could see. Maybe I need to search the site further. I actually have to disagree that SPLC reports crime from all parts of society. So far as many, many people can tell, their agenda is overwhelmingly anti-white. Just looking at their home page says it all. The quote from Kamau Kambon didn’t include the reference to exterminating white people, that I could see. Maybe I need to search the site further.

I actually have to disagree that SPLC reports crime from all parts of society. So far as many, many people can tell, their agenda is overwhelmingly anti-white. Just looking at their home page says it all.

]]> By: Wilco1 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/09/academic-racism-into-the-muck/comment-page-1/#comment-10013 Wilco1 Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:05:46 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/09/academic-racism-into-the-muck/#comment-10013 JMS, Kamau Kambon was quoted in SPLC's magazine as an example of hate speech a couple years ago: http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=582 And I heard about Sarah Kreager from a Hatewatch email: http://www.splcenter.org/intel/hatewatch/item.jsp?hid=1453 I think SPLC has done a good job of reporting hate from all parts of society. But you might be right to be suspicious of SPLU. I can't even find their website. JMS,

Kamau Kambon was quoted in SPLC’s magazine as an example of hate speech a couple years ago:
http://www.splcenter.org/intel.....sp?aid=582

And I heard about Sarah Kreager from a Hatewatch email:
http://www.splcenter.org/intel.....p?hid=1453

I think SPLC has done a good job of reporting hate from all parts of society. But you might be right to be suspicious of SPLU. I can’t even find their website.

]]> By: Jenny Jo http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/09/academic-racism-into-the-muck/comment-page-1/#comment-10010 Jenny Jo Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:32:39 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/09/academic-racism-into-the-muck/#comment-10010 Based on most comments above, looks like the SPLU's days are gladly numbered! Based on most comments above, looks like the SPLU’s days are gladly numbered!

]]> By: John Kennedy http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/09/academic-racism-into-the-muck/comment-page-1/#comment-9910 John Kennedy Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:51:58 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/09/academic-racism-into-the-muck/#comment-9910 I love the "just one problem...they're racists!!!!!" Drop the "R" word and suddenly you have an undefeatable argument. No, don't bother to take issue with the scientific discourse that is going on in relation to genetic IQ studies. That would be an exercise in rationalism, and we all know that the Southern Poverty Law Center is not interested in reason. Instead of calling the Pioneer Fund "racist," why not consider their motives objectively? But you are afraid to do that for fear of being complicit in their racism, right? Ha. Perhaps you should study racial differences a bit more before you speak such ignorance. I love the “just one problem…they’re racists!!!!!” Drop the “R” word and suddenly you have an undefeatable argument. No, don’t bother to take issue with the scientific discourse that is going on in relation to genetic IQ studies. That would be an exercise in rationalism, and we all know that the Southern Poverty Law Center is not interested in reason.

Instead of calling the Pioneer Fund “racist,” why not consider their motives objectively? But you are afraid to do that for fear of being complicit in their racism, right? Ha. Perhaps you should study racial differences a bit more before you speak such ignorance.

]]> By: Interested Reader http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/09/academic-racism-into-the-muck/comment-page-1/#comment-9907 Interested Reader Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:05:37 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/09/academic-racism-into-the-muck/#comment-9907 Dear Unlucky 13, Please try to use facts, data, and logic when posting here. Childish, emotional outbursts do not help. If you have a belief, please try to back up that belief with facts. Try to convince us with scientific data and logic. If you do not have scientific data to support your beliefs, then perhaps your beliefs are wrong. Dear Unlucky 13,

Please try to use facts, data, and logic when posting here. Childish, emotional outbursts do not help. If you have a belief, please try to back up that belief with facts. Try to convince us with scientific data and logic. If you do not have scientific data to support your beliefs, then perhaps your beliefs are wrong.

]]> By: Ahmed http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/09/academic-racism-into-the-muck/comment-page-1/#comment-9898 Ahmed Wed, 12 Dec 2007 18:55:22 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/09/academic-racism-into-the-muck/#comment-9898 Mr. Potok says: "In fact, the weight of current scientific evidence suggests that differences in IQ between racial groups are <b>principally</b> caused by environmental factors". So clearly admits genetic race-related difference in IQ. Hate! Supremacism! KKK! Mr. Potok says: “In fact, the weight of current scientific evidence suggests that differences in IQ between racial groups are principally caused by environmental factors”.

So clearly admits genetic race-related difference in IQ.

Hate! Supremacism! KKK!

]]> By: unlucky 13 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/09/academic-racism-into-the-muck/comment-page-1/#comment-9895 unlucky 13 Wed, 12 Dec 2007 18:32:53 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/09/academic-racism-into-the-muck/#comment-9895 If blacks are so stupid how come any idiot knows better than to listen to some of the conservatives who have commented on here? If blacks are so stupid how come any idiot knows better than to listen to some of the conservatives who have commented on here?

]]> By: Interested Reader http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/09/academic-racism-into-the-muck/comment-page-1/#comment-9893 Interested Reader Wed, 12 Dec 2007 18:31:24 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/09/academic-racism-into-the-muck/#comment-9893 I'd like to respond to Carter's question: "It seems there may be a legitimate difference in measured intelligence; so what? People HAVE differences. Is there any reason to have the weight of those differences mean more than the superficialities that exist in any other context?" It is important to know why Blacks fail everywhere they go, be it in Africa, Europe, Haiti, USA, or Brazil, because starting with a wrong assumption will lead to a wrong cure. The current accepted reasons for Black failure is colonialism, slavery and racism. As such, we attempt to cure Black failings via massive programs to combat racism, massive transfer of money from "racist" and privileged Whites to abused Minorities. We also indoctrinate both Whites and Blacks with the idea that any Black failing has nothing to do with Blacks, but is due only to White racism -- "I am a victim." Hence, drugs, crime, out-of wedlock babies, failure at school, low career achievement, and poverity are all do to White racism. This creates much hatred against Whites, and much White resentment against Blacks, leading to endless racial conflict. This is not healthy. But what if low Black achievement is NOT due to White racism, slavery or colonialism, but is due to low IQ? Then we need a different set of solutions. For example, if we accept that a certain percentage of Africans will never be academically gifted, and will not be suited to become physicians, scientists, engineers, etc. Perhaps the best thing to do is to create more high-paying jobs in low-skilled fields. For example, why can't a Black high school dropout find a factory, construction, service, or agricultural job for $50,000/year. Given such an opportunity, this high school dropout could buy into the American Dream. However, low skill jobs only pay $7 to $8 per hr, because of the endless flood of Third World immigrants who are desperate to work and willing to work at any wage. Such salaries make it impossible for low-educated Blacks to achieve anything. Thus, if we want to pull low-IQ Blacks into the middle class, we need to stop immigration of foreign wage-slaves, which will create a deficit of low skilled workers, which will cause salaries for those jobs to rise. The marketplace will automatically raise salaries. This is just one example of how starting from truth instead of fantasy, may lead to a better solution. I’d like to respond to Carter’s question: “It seems there may be a legitimate difference in measured intelligence; so what? People HAVE differences. Is there any reason to have the weight of those differences mean more than the superficialities that exist in any other context?”

It is important to know why Blacks fail everywhere they go, be it in Africa, Europe, Haiti, USA, or Brazil, because starting with a wrong assumption will lead to a wrong cure.

The current accepted reasons for Black failure is colonialism, slavery and racism. As such, we attempt to cure Black failings via massive programs to combat racism, massive transfer of money from “racist” and privileged Whites to abused Minorities. We also indoctrinate both Whites and Blacks with the idea that any Black failing has nothing to do with Blacks, but is due only to White racism — “I am a victim.” Hence, drugs, crime, out-of wedlock babies, failure at school, low career achievement, and poverity are all do to White racism. This creates much hatred against Whites, and much White resentment against Blacks, leading to endless racial conflict. This is not healthy.

But what if low Black achievement is NOT due to White racism, slavery or colonialism, but is due to low IQ? Then we need a different set of solutions. For example, if we accept that a certain percentage of Africans will never be academically gifted, and will not be suited to become physicians, scientists, engineers, etc. Perhaps the best thing to do is to create more high-paying jobs in low-skilled fields. For example, why can’t a Black high school dropout find a factory, construction, service, or agricultural job for $50,000/year. Given such an opportunity, this high school dropout could buy into the American Dream. However, low skill jobs only pay $7 to $8 per hr, because of the endless flood of Third World immigrants who are desperate to work and willing to work at any wage. Such salaries make it impossible for low-educated Blacks to achieve anything. Thus, if we want to pull low-IQ Blacks into the middle class, we need to stop immigration of foreign wage-slaves, which will create a deficit of low skilled workers, which will cause salaries for those jobs to rise. The marketplace will automatically raise salaries. This is just one example of how starting from truth instead of fantasy, may lead to a better solution.

]]> By: JMS http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/09/academic-racism-into-the-muck/comment-page-1/#comment-9890 JMS Wed, 12 Dec 2007 18:14:37 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/09/academic-racism-into-the-muck/#comment-9890 Give Me A Break- You couldn't be more right. The SPLU is one of the biggest hate organizations in this country. When whites dare congregate to discuss their very civil rights, the extreme hypocrocy of the SPLU comes out spewing. It is beyond me how full grown adults cannot realize the extent of their very hypocrocy. I would truly be embarrassed to be one such individual. SPLU- you were asked a question about Sarah Krueger. Why are you not persuing this incident as hate? Please provide us with an answer. In addition, please provide us with exactly how you feel about Dr. Kamou Kabon and his statement about exterminating white people off of the earth. Please provide a link from your archives where you covered this hate. JMS Give Me A Break-
You couldn’t be more right. The SPLU is one of the biggest hate organizations in this country. When whites dare congregate to discuss their very civil rights, the extreme hypocrocy of the SPLU comes out spewing.

It is beyond me how full grown adults cannot realize the extent of their very hypocrocy. I would truly be embarrassed to be one such individual.

SPLU- you were asked a question about Sarah Krueger. Why are you not persuing this incident as hate? Please provide us with an answer. In addition, please provide us with exactly how you feel about Dr. Kamou Kabon and his statement about exterminating white people off of the earth. Please provide a link from your archives where you covered this hate.

JMS

]]> By: Interested Reader http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/09/academic-racism-into-the-muck/comment-page-1/#comment-9888 Interested Reader Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:52:08 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/09/academic-racism-into-the-muck/#comment-9888 I want to commend SPLC for allowing postings from ALL sides of this argument. That is a very fair and honest thing to do. Only after we view, analyze, and discuss all facts, data, and opinions, can we come to a reasonable conclusion about these controversial matters. In the end, we may or may not like the logical answer; but seeking truth, and basing our lives on truth (instead of falsehoods) will create a better society. Good job SPLC I want to commend SPLC for allowing postings from ALL sides of this argument. That is a very fair and honest thing to do. Only after we view, analyze, and discuss all facts, data, and opinions, can we come to a reasonable conclusion about these controversial matters. In the end, we may or may not like the logical answer; but seeking truth, and basing our lives on truth (instead of falsehoods) will create a better society.

Good job SPLC

]]> By: Ron Ronman http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/09/academic-racism-into-the-muck/comment-page-1/#comment-9876 Ron Ronman Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:00:41 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/09/academic-racism-into-the-muck/#comment-9876 That BIG OLE EYE on the website is SPLC watching white people. Why don't they watch white people less and minority crime and hypocrisy, especially with the Sarah Kreager incident, more. Why do you people hate your own people? Why do villainize whites who support each other without breaking the law but stay silent on other ethnic groups who engage in such behavior as punching, kicking and bone breaking? I don't get it. Are you people part of a conspiracy to control white ethnic behavior? Sincerely, GiveMeABreak That BIG OLE EYE on the website is SPLC watching white people. Why don’t they watch white people less and minority crime and hypocrisy, especially with the Sarah Kreager incident, more. Why do you people hate your own people? Why do villainize whites who support each other without breaking the law but stay silent on other ethnic groups who engage in such behavior as punching, kicking and bone breaking?

I don’t get it. Are you people part of a conspiracy to control white ethnic behavior?

Sincerely,

GiveMeABreak

]]> By: carter http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/09/academic-racism-into-the-muck/comment-page-1/#comment-9864 carter Wed, 12 Dec 2007 14:27:31 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/09/academic-racism-into-the-muck/#comment-9864 I have a rhetorical question dealing with a statement in the article: "In fact, the weight of current scientific evidence suggests that differences in IQ between racial groups are principally caused by environmental factors." My question is this: IF there IS a legitimate differentiation in intelligence between groups; what does that really mean? It seems there may be a legitimate difference in measured intelligence; so what? People HAVE differences. Is there any reason to have the weight of those differences mean more than the superficialities that exist in any other context? I have a rhetorical question dealing with a statement in the article: “In fact, the weight of current scientific evidence suggests that differences in IQ between racial groups are principally caused by environmental factors.”

My question is this: IF there IS a legitimate differentiation in intelligence between groups; what does that really mean?

It seems there may be a legitimate difference in measured intelligence; so what? People HAVE differences. Is there any reason to have the weight of those differences mean more than the superficialities that exist in any other context?

]]> By: john http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/09/academic-racism-into-the-muck/comment-page-1/#comment-9860 john Wed, 12 Dec 2007 14:03:00 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/09/academic-racism-into-the-muck/#comment-9860 What a joke, the good thing about the SPLC and its ilk are that they are built not on how things are, but how people would like them to be, in the end however, the truth always outs, and deep down, the (mainly European and Jewish descended) people running the SPLC know that truth just as well as everyone else, no matter how much they wish to deny it. What a joke, the good thing about the SPLC and its ilk are that they are built not on how things are, but how people would like them to be, in the end however, the truth always outs, and deep down, the (mainly European and Jewish descended) people running the SPLC know that truth just as well as everyone else, no matter how much they wish to deny it.

]]> By: Michael T http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/09/academic-racism-into-the-muck/comment-page-1/#comment-9826 Michael T Wed, 12 Dec 2007 08:55:25 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/09/academic-racism-into-the-muck/#comment-9826 DM, so you, like Potok, do think that humans are exempt from the laws of biology, do you? Why would anyone care what you or Potok or the SPLC think about race, breed or heredity, however? None of you are experts. DM, so you, like Potok, do think that humans are exempt from the laws of biology, do you?

Why would anyone care what you or Potok or the SPLC think about race, breed or heredity, however? None of you are experts.

]]> By: Brian http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/09/academic-racism-into-the-muck/comment-page-1/#comment-9815 Brian Wed, 12 Dec 2007 06:06:11 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/09/academic-racism-into-the-muck/#comment-9815 For those who doubt the reality of racial differences, I suggest a trip to sub-Saharan Africa, followed by a trip to South Korea (much abused former Japanese colony) or Hong Kong (a prize claimed by Britain after the Opium War) or maybe the Phillippines (site of a bloody colonization by the U.S. in 1898). Compare the material progress being made in Asia with the progress, actually regress, taking place in black Africa. Africa stands alone as the only continent which has actually lost ground, in terms of infrastructure, since the end of colonialism. For those who doubt the reality of racial differences, I suggest a trip to sub-Saharan Africa, followed by a trip to South Korea (much abused former Japanese colony) or Hong Kong (a prize claimed by Britain after the Opium War) or maybe the Phillippines (site of a bloody colonization by the U.S. in 1898). Compare the material progress being made in Asia with the progress, actually regress, taking place in black Africa. Africa stands alone as the only continent which has actually lost ground, in terms of infrastructure, since the end of colonialism.

]]> By: BDC http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/09/academic-racism-into-the-muck/comment-page-1/#comment-9803 BDC Wed, 12 Dec 2007 04:03:52 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/09/academic-racism-into-the-muck/#comment-9803 The above two posts by "Big Don" and "DM" tell you all you need to know about this debate. A poster contributes a detailed, well-written defense of one side of the issue, and the person replying, rather than even attempting to confront the arguments posed, simply pulls out the "R" word. If you truly believe there is no relationship between race and IQ, you have to cite EVIDENCE to support your position, not just resort to name-calling. The above two posts by “Big Don” and “DM” tell you all you need to know about this debate. A poster contributes a detailed, well-written defense of one side of the issue, and the person replying, rather than even attempting to confront the arguments posed, simply pulls out the “R” word. If you truly believe there is no relationship between race and IQ, you have to cite EVIDENCE to support your position, not just resort to name-calling.

]]> By: Evolutionary biologist http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/09/academic-racism-into-the-muck/comment-page-1/#comment-9801 Evolutionary biologist Wed, 12 Dec 2007 03:19:29 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/09/academic-racism-into-the-muck/#comment-9801 Science has been studying evolution for about 150 years now, and there is one thing that clearly stands out. It has been demonstrated so many times that it is now accepted as virtually fact. That is, geographically isolated groups very quick;y evolve to have different traits. We see this clearly in humans, and can now list over 300 ways that different races differ, starting with morphology, going to physiology, biochemistry, life history, DNA, and even behavior. After 100 years of testing, and using every type of test, and attempting to make tests racially fair, and testing poor and rich, every age, and in nearly every country, the overwelming evidence is that IQ differes among the human races. This is exactly what we would expect from evolution. In fact, if intellegence was equal among all human races, it would be one of the most amazing findings of all science. It could not be explained! What strange force could somehow keep all humans equal in intellegence, even though separated in different environments for tens of thousands of years? This would be virtually impossible, the same way that it would be impossible for all dog races to have similar intellegence, or all horse breeds to run at a similar speed. Anyone who things otherwise, simply does not understand science. Science has been studying evolution for about 150 years now, and there is one thing that clearly stands out. It has been demonstrated so many times that it is now accepted as virtually fact. That is, geographically isolated groups very quick;y evolve to have different traits. We see this clearly in humans, and can now list over 300 ways that different races differ, starting with morphology, going to physiology, biochemistry, life history, DNA, and even behavior. After 100 years of testing, and using every type of test, and attempting to make tests racially fair, and testing poor and rich, every age, and in nearly every country, the overwelming evidence is that IQ differes among the human races. This is exactly what we would expect from evolution. In fact, if intellegence was equal among all human races, it would be one of the most amazing findings of all science. It could not be explained! What strange force could somehow keep all humans equal in intellegence, even though separated in different environments for tens of thousands of years? This would be virtually impossible, the same way that it would be impossible for all dog races to have similar intellegence, or all horse breeds to run at a similar speed. Anyone who things otherwise, simply does not understand science.

]]> By: WarLord http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/09/academic-racism-into-the-muck/comment-page-1/#comment-9798 WarLord Wed, 12 Dec 2007 02:27:58 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/09/academic-racism-into-the-muck/#comment-9798 "In fact, the weight of current scientific evidence suggests that differences in IQ between racial groups are principally caused by environmental factors." This explains, why Iceland - such a harsh and miserable place - is one of the poorest in the world, while Haiti is a tropical paradise. “In fact, the weight of current scientific evidence suggests that differences in IQ between racial groups are principally caused by environmental factors.”

This explains, why Iceland – such a harsh and miserable place – is one of the poorest in the world, while Haiti is a tropical paradise.

]]> By: J.P. http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/09/academic-racism-into-the-muck/comment-page-1/#comment-9794 J.P. Wed, 12 Dec 2007 01:35:41 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/09/academic-racism-into-the-muck/#comment-9794 I don't know how anyone could dispute the differences in IQ between the races. The SAT test is primarily an IQ test and it has consistently shown over many years the substantial differences between the races. The U.S. Military uses an IQ test and the results follow the same pattern. Why are the standardized tests used for government jobs being watered down so much that nearly everyone passes? Why did the federal government stop giving the civil service test for nearly all applicants? This is not to say that there aren't exceptional persons of all races, that is the point. Everyone should be judged as an individual. When standards are abandoned or lowered it stigimatizes those who did make it on merit. I don’t know how anyone could dispute the differences in IQ between the races.

The SAT test is primarily an IQ test and it has consistently shown over many years the substantial differences between the races.

The U.S. Military uses an IQ test and the results follow the same pattern.

Why are the standardized tests used for government jobs being watered down so much that nearly everyone passes?

Why did the federal government stop giving the civil service test for nearly all applicants?

This is not to say that there aren’t exceptional persons of all races, that is the point. Everyone should be judged as an individual. When standards are abandoned or lowered it stigimatizes those who did make it on merit.

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