Comments on: FAIR: Crossing the Rubicon of Hate http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/11/fair-crossing-the-rubicon-of-hate/ Hatewatch is a blog of the Southern Poverty Law Center Fri, 24 May 2013 18:34:23 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Philip Peterson http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/11/fair-crossing-the-rubicon-of-hate/comment-page-1/#comment-170300 Philip Peterson Fri, 04 Jun 2010 15:55:37 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/11/fair-crossing-the-rubicon-of-hate/#comment-170300 Several people have said things such as "The only way anyone can come here from many countries now is by illegal means." This is factually incorrect, as the US picks up approximatly one million LEGAL immagrants per year. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_the_United_States#Contemporary_immigration Several people have said things such as “The only way anyone can come here from many countries now is by illegal means.”

This is factually incorrect, as the US picks up approximatly one million LEGAL immagrants per year.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I.....mmigration

]]> By: serafin trejo http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/11/fair-crossing-the-rubicon-of-hate/comment-page-1/#comment-162873 serafin trejo Sun, 02 May 2010 05:00:59 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/11/fair-crossing-the-rubicon-of-hate/#comment-162873 With the passage of the Nazi like anti immigrant law in Arizona, SPLC was more than vindicated in designating FAIR as a hate group.(FARE has taken credit for helping write the law) and all people with humane ethical values will thank SPLC for shedding a bright light on such poor lost souls, they deserve our sincere pity and prayers. With the passage of the Nazi like anti immigrant law in Arizona, SPLC was more than vindicated in designating FAIR as a hate group.(FARE has taken credit for helping write the law) and all people with humane ethical values will thank SPLC for shedding a bright light on such poor lost souls, they deserve our sincere pity and prayers.

]]> By: Jersey Dave http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/11/fair-crossing-the-rubicon-of-hate/comment-page-1/#comment-162790 Jersey Dave Sat, 01 May 2010 20:05:42 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/11/fair-crossing-the-rubicon-of-hate/#comment-162790 No I can't blame people who want to come to the US for a better life. Which is why when a Japanese couple I knew wanted to move to the US and were denied I was upset, and when a nice german girl who had au paired here wanted to live her, and could not, I got upset. Of course any Mexican seems to be able to walk over the border and no one cares. Why is policy racist against people who are Asian or European, and biased against people who try to come here honestly? See, that's the point. Let's do something above board that is honest across the board, instead of a policy where the government says one thing and does another. Arizona's point is that the current policy or more properly the lack of one puts them at risk, and they want the issue to get attention so that it can be fixed above board and in an honest manner. That is not racism, that is honesty and democracy. No I can’t blame people who want to come to the US for a better life.

Which is why when a Japanese couple I knew wanted to move to the US and were denied I was upset, and when a nice german girl who had au paired here wanted to live her, and could not, I got upset.

Of course any Mexican seems to be able to walk over the border and no one cares.

Why is policy racist against people who are Asian or European, and biased against people who try to come here honestly?

See, that’s the point. Let’s do something above board that is honest across the board, instead of a policy where the government says one thing and does another. Arizona’s point is that the current policy or more properly the lack of one puts them at risk, and they want the issue to get attention so that it can be fixed above board and in an honest manner. That is not racism, that is honesty and democracy.

]]> By: Young American http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/11/fair-crossing-the-rubicon-of-hate/comment-page-1/#comment-162309 Young American Fri, 30 Apr 2010 01:22:21 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/11/fair-crossing-the-rubicon-of-hate/#comment-162309 The media loves to play deceitful games with the words they use. All Arizona did is pass a law against crime, and it allows the authorities more power to address existing crimes. It's really not about "immigration" at all. It's about people committing crimes, and illegally entering this country is a crime! Unless, of course, you think the problem Poland had in September of 1939 was an immigration issue, with large numbers of Germans entering Poland as undocumented visitors. And bank robbers are not criminals, but just hard working people making an undocumented withdrawal. And they're doing it in pursuit of a "better life" -- you can't blame them for that, can you? The media loves to play deceitful games with the words they use. All Arizona did is pass a law against crime, and it allows the authorities more power to address existing crimes. It’s really not about “immigration” at all. It’s about people committing crimes, and illegally entering this country is a crime!

Unless, of course, you think the problem Poland had in September of 1939 was an immigration issue, with large numbers of Germans entering Poland as undocumented visitors.

And bank robbers are not criminals, but just hard working people making an undocumented withdrawal. And they’re doing it in pursuit of a “better life” — you can’t blame them for that, can you?

]]> By: Kimono Kijiwa http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/11/fair-crossing-the-rubicon-of-hate/comment-page-1/#comment-139741 Kimono Kijiwa Fri, 15 Jan 2010 21:33:45 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/11/fair-crossing-the-rubicon-of-hate/#comment-139741 Zorro: MECHA, La Raza, etc have no real political power. They mostly are just a bunch of aging professors and university students. Also it's a Chicano movement, not a foreign movement. If you want to go after some California extremists who actually have political and financial power, go after Scientology. Zorro: MECHA, La Raza, etc have no real political power. They mostly are just a bunch of aging professors and university students. Also it’s a Chicano movement, not a foreign movement.

If you want to go after some California extremists who actually have political and financial power, go after Scientology.

]]> By: Jessica Leon http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/11/fair-crossing-the-rubicon-of-hate/comment-page-1/#comment-114086 Jessica Leon Wed, 16 Sep 2009 19:14:21 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/11/fair-crossing-the-rubicon-of-hate/#comment-114086 While "by definition" illegal immigrants are criminals,their crimes are indeed paid duing the process to fix their status. & as far as all immigrants acknowledging they are breaking the rules is not at all true. Children are sometimes brought to the states without being aware of their actions. While “by definition” illegal immigrants are criminals,their crimes are indeed paid duing the process to fix their status. & as far as all immigrants acknowledging they are breaking the rules is not at all true. Children are sometimes brought to the states without being aware of their actions.

]]> By: Lars http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/11/fair-crossing-the-rubicon-of-hate/comment-page-1/#comment-92149 Lars Thu, 07 May 2009 21:43:44 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/11/fair-crossing-the-rubicon-of-hate/#comment-92149 Calling FAIR a hate group is like calling the Democratic Party a party of conservative principles. Its preposterous. Articles like this just further prove how deliberately biased, deceptive and outright malicious the SPLC is. You can't fool everyone with your lies because the more of this propagandist, broad brush-stroking, America-hating nonsense you promote the more the unsuspecting begin to realize how much credibility you lack. SPLC has nothing to do with serious monitoring of real hate groups. You are merely a front group for radical idealism. As a real immigrant myself who had to play by the rules and wait my turn to get in I am deeply offended that you would call anyone opposed to illegal immigration "racists" and "xenophobes". I am certainly none of those things but I do resent the cost associated with illegal immigration and the fact that so many have to do it the right way while others simply hop a fence and refuse to leave and are protected by groups like yours. Calling FAIR a hate group is like calling the Democratic Party a party of conservative principles. Its preposterous. Articles like this just further prove how deliberately biased, deceptive and outright malicious the SPLC is. You can’t fool everyone with your lies because the more of this propagandist, broad brush-stroking, America-hating nonsense you promote the more the unsuspecting begin to realize how much credibility you lack. SPLC has nothing to do with serious monitoring of real hate groups. You are merely a front group for radical idealism. As a real immigrant myself who had to play by the rules and wait my turn to get in I am deeply offended that you would call anyone opposed to illegal immigration “racists” and “xenophobes”. I am certainly none of those things but I do resent the cost associated with illegal immigration and the fact that so many have to do it the right way while others simply hop a fence and refuse to leave and are protected by groups like yours.

]]> By: JustaDog http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/11/fair-crossing-the-rubicon-of-hate/comment-page-1/#comment-89740 JustaDog Sun, 26 Apr 2009 23:59:33 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/11/fair-crossing-the-rubicon-of-hate/#comment-89740 Wow cj - spoken with such hatred for a group that is only interested in obeying the law of the land. For all of those that have no problems with the thought of illegal aliens, just think about the thousands of deaths directly attributed to them - and now the swine flu. If any hate group should banish it should be the "Southern Poverty Law Center" - a group of communists that will use lies and deception to undermine America as well as their plague of hate mongering. Wow cj – spoken with such hatred for a group that is only interested in obeying the law of the land.

For all of those that have no problems with the thought of illegal aliens, just think about the thousands of deaths directly attributed to them – and now the swine flu.

If any hate group should banish it should be the “Southern Poverty Law Center” – a group of communists that will use lies and deception to undermine America as well as their plague of hate mongering.

]]> By: cj http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/11/fair-crossing-the-rubicon-of-hate/comment-page-1/#comment-89490 cj Sat, 25 Apr 2009 18:58:54 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/11/fair-crossing-the-rubicon-of-hate/#comment-89490 FAIR IS GOT TO GO. It is time that this hate group to banish. FAIR IS GOT TO GO. It is time that this hate group to banish.

]]> By: otto http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/11/fair-crossing-the-rubicon-of-hate/comment-page-1/#comment-20851 otto Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:55:47 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/11/fair-crossing-the-rubicon-of-hate/#comment-20851 I agree with the classification of FAIR as a hate group. The only way anyone can come here from many countries now is by illegal means. If these people do not come here, they will be in poverty forever and may even starve. They only want a better life. They take jobs no American wants anyway. I say let everyone who wants to come to America from anywhere in the world come on over. That is the spirit of our immigrant country. I agree with the classification of FAIR as a hate group. The only way anyone can come here from many countries now is by illegal means. If these people do not come here, they will be in poverty forever and may even starve. They only want a better life. They take jobs no American wants anyway. I say let everyone who wants to come to America from anywhere in the world come on over. That is the spirit of our immigrant country.

]]> By: Hiro http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/11/fair-crossing-the-rubicon-of-hate/comment-page-1/#comment-19871 Hiro Wed, 09 Apr 2008 13:49:36 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/11/fair-crossing-the-rubicon-of-hate/#comment-19871 I would say the SPLC calling FAIR a hate group is akin to the pot calling the kettle black. SPLC hates the U.S. Constitution, and will vehemently attack supporters of constitutional government. They do no real research, they are a partisan shill factory just like any neo-conservative think-tank. And like such partisan groups, they do not deal in facts, only in propaganda. I would say the SPLC calling FAIR a hate group is akin to the pot calling the kettle black. SPLC hates the U.S. Constitution, and will vehemently attack supporters of constitutional government. They do no real research, they are a partisan shill factory just like any neo-conservative think-tank. And like such partisan groups, they do not deal in facts, only in propaganda.

]]> By: Gorf, http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/11/fair-crossing-the-rubicon-of-hate/comment-page-1/#comment-16577 Gorf, Tue, 05 Feb 2008 08:13:48 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/11/fair-crossing-the-rubicon-of-hate/#comment-16577 <p>If you hooked anyone on the board of FAIR up to a lie detector and ask them the same question(s) would any of them pass?</p> <p>I fund it humorous that you attack the authors rather than their comments in your supposed rebuttal.</p> <p>Anyone can "gaurantee" something when they have nothing on the line. What are you honestly willing to give up in the case that you're proven wrong?</p> <p>You will be hooked up to a lie detector as you publically make your above claims prior to them answering your questions above the the FAIR board would next be hooked to lie detectors to refute the comments made about FAIR in this article.</p> If you hooked anyone on the board of FAIR up to a lie detector and ask them the same question(s) would any of them pass?

I fund it humorous that you attack the authors rather than their comments in your supposed rebuttal.

Anyone can “gaurantee” something when they have nothing on the line. What are you honestly willing to give up in the case that you’re proven wrong?

You will be hooked up to a lie detector as you publically make your above claims prior to them answering your questions above the the FAIR board would next be hooked to lie detectors to refute the comments made about FAIR in this article.

]]> By: ironvampire http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/11/fair-crossing-the-rubicon-of-hate/comment-page-1/#comment-10240 ironvampire Mon, 17 Dec 2007 01:37:27 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/11/fair-crossing-the-rubicon-of-hate/#comment-10240 I noticed that Morris dees and Mark Potok are always calling everyone else a racist. If you hooked up either one of these guys to a lie detector test and asked if they believe in racial equality i guarantee they would not pass the test. They are phonies who do not believe in equality but want to exploit "civil rights" nonsense to make money. Ask mark potok while tied to the lie detector if he believes jews are superior to everyone else and if he answered no you can bet he would fail the test. This is the best way to prove these whitchhunters for what they are. neither will ever take a lie detector test.Ii guarantee it. I noticed that Morris dees and Mark Potok are always calling everyone else a racist. If you hooked up either one of these guys to a lie detector test and asked if they believe in racial equality i guarantee they would not pass the test. They are phonies who do not believe in equality but want to exploit “civil rights” nonsense to make money. Ask mark potok while tied to the lie detector if he believes jews are superior to everyone else and if he answered no you can bet he would fail the test. This is the best way to prove these whitchhunters for what they are. neither will ever take a lie detector test.Ii guarantee it.

]]> By: Parker http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/11/fair-crossing-the-rubicon-of-hate/comment-page-1/#comment-10108 Parker Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:09:08 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/11/fair-crossing-the-rubicon-of-hate/#comment-10108 Thank you SPLC for your report. There is certainly a lot of hate out there, you can point out the logic of our economy and the broken immigration system a zillion times. However the anti immigrant crowd seems not to be able to apply logic to our situation no matter how many reports and statistics show that illegal immigration is an essential part of the US economy, that employers hire, and people come for the work...every day people die crossing the boarder, and I have heard over and over again, that 19 people dying in a tractor trailer was good, because they deserved it. Thank you SPLC for your report. There is certainly a lot of hate out there, you can point out the logic of our economy and the broken immigration system a zillion times. However the anti immigrant crowd seems not to be able to apply logic to our situation no matter how many reports and statistics show that illegal immigration is an essential part of the US economy, that employers hire, and people come for the work…every day people die crossing the boarder, and I have heard over and over again, that 19 people dying in a tractor trailer was good, because they deserved it.

]]> By: misfitsRus http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/11/fair-crossing-the-rubicon-of-hate/comment-page-1/#comment-10067 misfitsRus Fri, 14 Dec 2007 02:36:52 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/11/fair-crossing-the-rubicon-of-hate/#comment-10067 Kudos to the SPLC. FAIR has taken the frustration deriving from issues that have nothing to do with Mexican immigrants (the subprime housing market collapse, our trillion dollar wars, etc) and created a scapegoat. There is a frenzy of anti-Hispanic comments on our local paper that did not exist 6 months ago. It is appalling. Hate + fear = idiocy squared, and we are beginning to sink into idiocy. People of conscience with backbone need to stand up to this hate mongering mania. Thank you for your courage. Kudos to the SPLC.

FAIR has taken the frustration deriving from issues that have nothing to do with Mexican immigrants (the subprime housing market collapse, our trillion dollar wars, etc) and created a scapegoat.

There is a frenzy of anti-Hispanic comments on our local paper that did not exist 6 months ago. It is appalling. Hate + fear = idiocy squared, and we are beginning to sink into idiocy.

People of conscience with backbone need to stand up to this hate mongering mania. Thank you for your courage.

]]> By: 212s.com http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/11/fair-crossing-the-rubicon-of-hate/comment-page-1/#comment-10050 212s.com Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:49:15 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/11/fair-crossing-the-rubicon-of-hate/#comment-10050 Why don't you guys who complain about jobs being shipped overseas ask the US government to forbid US corporations doing business overseas? They should keep all the businesses here. There is not much money to make from those poor Chinese and Indians any way. They should not set up businesses in Mexico to compete with Mexican businesses either. That way, the Mexicans will still have their businesses and their jobs and won't have to come to the US to look for jobs. The American elites are just thinking of making money for themselves. That is why middle class Americans are totally screwed up. Why don’t you guys who complain about jobs being shipped overseas ask the US government to forbid US corporations doing business overseas? They should keep all the businesses here. There is not much money to make from those poor Chinese and Indians any way.

They should not set up businesses in Mexico to compete with Mexican businesses either. That way, the Mexicans will still have their businesses and their jobs and won’t have to come to the US to look for jobs.

The American elites are just thinking of making money for themselves. That is why middle class Americans are totally screwed up.

]]> By: JustaDog http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/11/fair-crossing-the-rubicon-of-hate/comment-page-1/#comment-10017 JustaDog Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:23:30 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/11/fair-crossing-the-rubicon-of-hate/#comment-10017 "It doesn’t matter whether we are talking about legal or illegal immigration, Americans of Latino descent are being targeted." Maybe because Latinos are the majority of law breaking illegal aliens? DUH “It doesn’t matter whether we are talking about legal or illegal immigration, Americans of Latino descent are being targeted.”

Maybe because Latinos are the majority of law breaking illegal aliens?

DUH

]]> By: huh? http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/11/fair-crossing-the-rubicon-of-hate/comment-page-1/#comment-10015 huh? Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:11:59 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/11/fair-crossing-the-rubicon-of-hate/#comment-10015 Not too long ago ther was an attack on a couple of teens eating at a popular Mexican food etablishment where I live. It was not whites attacking hispanics, it was hispanics attacking whites. The teens were doing nothing more than sitting, eating and talking and out of no where several hispanic teens attacked the two white teens. Many other incidents had happened before and after that one at the same place. During this one, no one in the retaurant helped the teens, it was a passer by who called 911. The teens did nothing to provoke the attack. You can not say that this is a one sided problem. Not too long ago ther was an attack on a couple of teens eating at a popular Mexican food etablishment where I live. It was not whites attacking hispanics, it was hispanics attacking whites. The teens were doing nothing more than sitting, eating and talking and out of no where several hispanic teens attacked the two white teens. Many other incidents had happened before and after that one at the same place. During this one, no one in the retaurant helped the teens, it was a passer by who called 911. The teens did nothing to provoke the attack. You can not say that this is a one sided problem.

]]> By: huh? http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/11/fair-crossing-the-rubicon-of-hate/comment-page-1/#comment-9977 huh? Thu, 13 Dec 2007 07:53:47 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/11/fair-crossing-the-rubicon-of-hate/#comment-9977 Western man, I believe unlucky was saying that hate groups exist within races other than the "white" race. SPLC does have these groups listed as well. Western man, I believe unlucky was saying that hate groups exist within races other than the “white” race. SPLC does have these groups listed as well.

]]> By: JOsef http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/11/fair-crossing-the-rubicon-of-hate/comment-page-1/#comment-9925 JOsef Wed, 12 Dec 2007 22:49:11 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/11/fair-crossing-the-rubicon-of-hate/#comment-9925 It doesn't matter whether we are talking about legal or illegal immigration, Americans of Latino descent are being targeted. It doesn’t matter whether we are talking about legal or illegal immigration, Americans of Latino descent are being targeted.

]]> By: Western Man http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/11/fair-crossing-the-rubicon-of-hate/comment-page-1/#comment-9903 Western Man Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:15:49 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/11/fair-crossing-the-rubicon-of-hate/#comment-9903 You missed my point, but on the contrary, you are correct. Jews, and non-Whites do hate White Supremacists and rightfully so. In other words, that's only individuality and nothing near as a hatecrime. My point was about ORGANIZATIONS such as KKK/Neo-Nazi socialists/Vanguards or whatever they're calling themselves is worthy to be listed as a hate group because an organization has many members within its chapters to be called a hate group. Therefore, an individual jew or non-whites who despise skinheads is not a "hate group" is just irrelevant. You missed my point, but on the contrary, you are correct. Jews, and non-Whites do hate White Supremacists and rightfully so. In other words, that’s only individuality and nothing near as a hatecrime. My point was about ORGANIZATIONS such as KKK/Neo-Nazi socialists/Vanguards or whatever they’re calling themselves is worthy to be listed as a hate group because an organization has many members within its chapters to be called a hate group. Therefore, an individual jew or non-whites who despise skinheads is not a “hate group” is just irrelevant.

]]> By: unlucky 13 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/11/fair-crossing-the-rubicon-of-hate/comment-page-1/#comment-9897 unlucky 13 Wed, 12 Dec 2007 18:42:24 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/11/fair-crossing-the-rubicon-of-hate/#comment-9897 Jews and black people hate people sometimes too.So do all minorities.Don't pretend all hate-criminals are white.However,I agree that the SPLC is avaluable tool to have in the struggle to contain the likes of the KKK and the Nazis.Actually they track hate groups of several different types.ü Jews and black people hate people sometimes too.So do all minorities.Don’t pretend all hate-criminals are white.However,I agree that the SPLC is avaluable tool to have in the struggle to contain the likes of the KKK and the Nazis.Actually they track hate groups of several different types.ü

]]> By: Western Man http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/11/fair-crossing-the-rubicon-of-hate/comment-page-1/#comment-9880 Western Man Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:40:30 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/11/fair-crossing-the-rubicon-of-hate/#comment-9880 Kudos to SPLC!!! I give my props to all the reporters at SPLC and many newspaper organizations who work hard to expose the insidious truths about all these White Supremacists hate groups and their like. SPLC is like GodSend for all non-White Americans & Jewish communities who have been victimized over the years by KKK/Neo-Nazi and other White Supremacist militia-style hate groups. History has repeatly told us how dangerous and vile these groups are. To ignore our American history is doomed to keep this cycle of hatred alive. We must not forget the past when White Supremacists groups have been terrorizing and committing criminal acts of every kind, from noose hangings to lyching, from arson to vandalism, and from beatings to the worse crime of all- murder. Furthermore, they have a long history of violence perpetrated on nin-Whites and Jews long before "immigration debate" became a hot topic. We need more and more people like SPLC and many other anti-discrimination groups, civil rights including human rights groups to take a stand against the growing threat of domestic terrorism woefully created by Nativists Militias and other hate groups. They attack every race, hence, no race is immune to their "White Power" rage. Just in yesterday the latest incident occurred on a Native American tribe, the Klallan band from Port Angels, Washington where vandals spray painted "White Power" graffiti on a mural and other obscenities on the walls in a peaceful quiet tribal community This tells us that White Supremacist hates everybody no matter the color, race, legal or illegal. Keep up the good work SPLC!!!! We Need You!!! Kudos to SPLC!!!
I give my props to all the reporters at SPLC and many newspaper organizations who work hard to expose the insidious truths about all these White Supremacists hate groups and their like. SPLC is like GodSend for all non-White Americans & Jewish communities who have been victimized over the years by KKK/Neo-Nazi and other White Supremacist militia-style hate groups. History has repeatly told us how dangerous and vile these groups are. To ignore our American history is doomed to keep this cycle of hatred alive. We must not forget the past when White Supremacists groups have been terrorizing and committing criminal acts of every kind, from noose hangings to lyching, from arson to vandalism, and from beatings to the worse crime of all- murder. Furthermore, they have a long history of violence perpetrated on nin-Whites and Jews long before “immigration debate” became a hot topic. We need more and more people like SPLC and many other anti-discrimination groups, civil rights including human rights groups to take a stand against the growing threat of domestic terrorism woefully created by Nativists Militias and other hate groups.
They attack every race, hence, no race is immune to their “White Power” rage. Just in yesterday the latest incident occurred on a Native American tribe, the Klallan band from Port Angels, Washington where vandals spray painted “White Power” graffiti on a mural and other obscenities on the walls in a peaceful quiet tribal community This tells us that White Supremacist hates everybody no matter the color, race, legal or illegal.
Keep up the good work SPLC!!!!

We Need You!!!

]]> By: Maalaea Jay http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/11/fair-crossing-the-rubicon-of-hate/comment-page-1/#comment-9874 Maalaea Jay Wed, 12 Dec 2007 15:40:57 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/11/fair-crossing-the-rubicon-of-hate/#comment-9874 FAIR sure must be doing many things right if they raised the hackles of vile lefty radicals the likes of Mark Potok (that pig reminds me a lot of the drunk from the old Jackie Gleason TV show) and Morris 'Sleaze' Dees of the SPLC, an extortionist shakedown group if there ever was one. The SPLC has zero credibility. Dees and Potok, shameless propagandists to the core, deserve the ol' harp seal treatment. Face it, illegal aliens are criminals by definition. They need to be ferreted out, rounded up like cattle, and deported forthwith. Send Potok and Dees with 'em, I say. FAIR sure must be doing many things right if they raised the hackles of vile lefty radicals the likes of Mark Potok (that pig reminds me a lot of the drunk from the old Jackie Gleason TV show) and Morris ‘Sleaze’ Dees of the SPLC, an extortionist shakedown group if there ever was one. The SPLC has zero credibility. Dees and Potok, shameless propagandists to the core, deserve the ol’ harp seal treatment. Face it, illegal aliens are criminals by definition. They need to be ferreted out, rounded up like cattle, and deported forthwith. Send Potok and Dees with ‘em, I say.

]]> By: Hugh http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/11/fair-crossing-the-rubicon-of-hate/comment-page-1/#comment-9806 Hugh Wed, 12 Dec 2007 04:56:57 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/11/fair-crossing-the-rubicon-of-hate/#comment-9806 "Zorro", the "Mexica Movement" (or at least La Voz de Aztlan) is already listed as a "hate group" here, look it up. MeCHA, no matter how your favorite groups want to smear it, is NOT considered a hate group. You're quoting a silly myth largely spoused by fear-mongering bigots (that Mexicans want to take over the Southwest through a so-called "Reconquista"-ask the average Mexican what that means and chances are they won't know what you are talking about), and that proves that you have your panties in a bunch because your favorite anti "illegal" alien group is finally branded for what it is: a bigoted and xenophobic group. “Zorro”, the “Mexica Movement” (or at least La Voz de Aztlan) is already listed as a “hate group” here, look it up. MeCHA, no matter how your favorite groups want to smear it, is NOT considered a hate group. You’re quoting a silly myth largely spoused by fear-mongering bigots (that Mexicans want to take over the Southwest through a so-called “Reconquista”-ask the average Mexican what that means and chances are they won’t know what you are talking about), and that proves that you have your panties in a bunch because your favorite anti “illegal” alien group is finally branded for what it is: a bigoted and xenophobic group.

]]> By: zorro is dumb http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/11/fair-crossing-the-rubicon-of-hate/comment-page-1/#comment-9802 zorro is dumb Wed, 12 Dec 2007 03:47:10 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/11/fair-crossing-the-rubicon-of-hate/#comment-9802 Um, Zorro, the Southern Poverty Law Center lists La Voz de Aztlan as a hate group. Um, Zorro, the Southern Poverty Law Center lists La Voz de Aztlan as a hate group.

]]> By: Proud American http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/11/fair-crossing-the-rubicon-of-hate/comment-page-1/#comment-9788 Proud American Wed, 12 Dec 2007 00:32:57 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/11/fair-crossing-the-rubicon-of-hate/#comment-9788 Great reporting on FAIR! You have shed light on a racist / nativist organization. Too bad there aren't more organizations like yours to enlighten us about what is rally going on behind these seemingly legitimate organizations. I believe that despite these racist lunatics, comprehensive immigration reform will pass in 2009 simply because it's what the country needs. Great reporting on FAIR! You have shed light on a racist / nativist organization. Too bad there aren’t more organizations like yours to enlighten us about what is rally going on behind these seemingly legitimate organizations.

I believe that despite these racist lunatics, comprehensive immigration reform will pass in 2009 simply because it’s what the country needs.

]]> By: joazinha http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/11/fair-crossing-the-rubicon-of-hate/comment-page-1/#comment-9777 joazinha Tue, 11 Dec 2007 23:21:34 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/11/fair-crossing-the-rubicon-of-hate/#comment-9777 The REAL crime was NOT the shooting of illegal alien drug smuggler Mexican Osvaldo Aldrete-Davila in self-defense by now UNJUSTLY imprisoned Border Patrol agents Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean. The REAL crime was ALDRETE-DAVILA'S attempt to SMUGGLE an ILLICIT DRUG into OUR country, and his VICIOUS ASSAULT of Agent Compean when Compean was trying to ARREST Aldrete-Davila. Yet Aldrete-Davila got of SCOT-FREE while Ramos and Compean were PUNISHED for DOING their job! However, the tide IS starting to TURN! Just last week, on December 3, 2007, a SECOND appeal hearing for Ramos and Compean began in the Fifth Circuit Court of New Orleans. Their prosecutor US Attorney Johnny Sutton and his assistant were there. And MY, those Circuit Court justices GRILLED Sutton's assistant SO HARD that he COULDN'T GET a WORD in EDGEWISE! This SO UNNERVED Sutton that at the end of the day, he DASHED OUT a SIDE door to AVOID the MEDIA, and HID from them for SOME days! Late last week, the FEDS FINALLY acknowledged that Aldrete-Davila had LIED in the Ramos-Compean case! The TRUTH is that ALDRETE-DAVILA committed the crime, NOT Ramos and Compean who are REAL American heroes! The REAL crime was NOT the shooting of illegal alien drug smuggler Mexican Osvaldo Aldrete-Davila in self-defense by now UNJUSTLY imprisoned Border Patrol agents Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean. The REAL crime was ALDRETE-DAVILA’S attempt to SMUGGLE an ILLICIT DRUG into OUR country, and his VICIOUS ASSAULT of Agent Compean when Compean was trying to ARREST Aldrete-Davila. Yet Aldrete-Davila got of SCOT-FREE while Ramos and Compean were PUNISHED for DOING their job! However, the tide IS starting to TURN! Just last week, on December 3, 2007, a SECOND appeal hearing for Ramos and Compean began in the Fifth Circuit Court of New Orleans. Their prosecutor US Attorney Johnny Sutton and his assistant were there. And MY, those Circuit Court justices GRILLED Sutton’s assistant SO HARD that he COULDN’T GET a WORD in EDGEWISE! This SO UNNERVED Sutton that at the end of the day, he DASHED OUT a SIDE door to AVOID the MEDIA, and HID from them for SOME days! Late last week, the FEDS FINALLY acknowledged that Aldrete-Davila had LIED in the Ramos-Compean case! The TRUTH is that ALDRETE-DAVILA committed the crime, NOT Ramos and Compean who are REAL American heroes!

]]> By: Piper http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/11/fair-crossing-the-rubicon-of-hate/comment-page-1/#comment-9776 Piper Tue, 11 Dec 2007 23:18:37 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/11/fair-crossing-the-rubicon-of-hate/#comment-9776 I thank you for investigating this organization. They have propagated many myths and misinformation regarding immigration of any sort. Everyone can agree that the current immigration system is broken. We need to have correct, valid and objective information in order to make good decisions about how to go forward. I thank you for investigating this organization. They have propagated many myths and misinformation regarding immigration of any sort.

Everyone can agree that the current immigration system is broken. We need to have correct, valid and objective information in order to make good decisions about how to go forward.

]]> By: Tom http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/11/fair-crossing-the-rubicon-of-hate/comment-page-1/#comment-9773 Tom Tue, 11 Dec 2007 22:55:21 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/11/fair-crossing-the-rubicon-of-hate/#comment-9773 The previous comments make it pretty clear where the hate speech is coming from. FAIR in its present form still associates with and supports other groups such as the Minutemen, who in turn have close ties to White Supremicist and Nazi groups. Look it up. The immigration system is broken -- citizens, legal and illegal immigrants all suffer from the disconnect between the current laws and the realities of our economy and communities. The solution is not scapegoating immigrants or increasing enforcement of bad laws, any more than increasing the oppression of Black people was the solution to Jim Crow laws. The laws must change, and in MLK's words, "We must all learn to live together as brothers, or we will all die together as fools." The previous comments make it pretty clear where the hate speech is coming from. FAIR in its present form still associates with and supports other groups such as the Minutemen, who in turn have close ties to White Supremicist and Nazi groups. Look it up.

The immigration system is broken — citizens, legal and illegal immigrants all suffer from the disconnect between the current laws and the realities of our economy and communities. The solution is not scapegoating immigrants or increasing enforcement of bad laws, any more than increasing the oppression of Black people was the solution to Jim Crow laws. The laws must change, and in MLK’s words, “We must all learn to live together as brothers, or we will all die together as fools.”

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