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Second Vermont Republic Calls on League of the South to Denounce Racism

By Heidi Beirich on July 3, 2008 - 2:36 pm, Posted in Hate Groups, Neo-Confederate, White Supremacist

Thomas NaylorThomas H. Naylor, the founder and leader of the secessionist Second Vermont Republic (SVR), has called on his former allies in the racist League of the South (LOS) to unequivocally distance themselves from racism and hatred. The LOS (see related recent post), which among other things believes slavery to be “God-ordained” and is against interracial marriage, has participated in two SVR meetings that gathered together secessionists of all stripes. SVR has also participated in LOS meetings.

In a letter dated July 4, Naylor writes, “[s]o long as the albatross of racism hangs around its neck, the LOS can never be a truly effective partner for SVR.” He adds that SVR “risks being tainted by the scourge of racism simply by associating with the LOS.”

Naylor’s letter comes in the wake of a recent Intelligence Report exposé, “North Meets South,” that examined SVR’s budding relationship with the LOS. In March, Naylor hotly defended the LOS, telling the Report that though the LOS is “not perfect,” it is “not racist.” He also told the Report, “I don’t give a shit what you write,” and that, “If someone tells me that I shouldn’t associate with the League of the South, it guarantees that I will associate with the League of the South.”

The Report also documented Naylor’s relationships with other extremist organizations. He has appeared twice on the Tennessee-based hate radio program “The Political Cesspool,” which is run by white supremacist Council of Conservative Citizens board member and David Duke pal James Edwards. He is also an associated scholar at the Abbeville Institute, which is run by former LOS leader Donald Livingston and is devoted to the ignored “achievements of white people in the South.”

In a June 10 posting to the SVR website, Naylor denounced the Report story, calling it “a vicious attack spearheaded by the well-financed, hate-mongering, witch-hunting, left-leaning Southern Poverty Law Center.” He cited no factual errors.

Now Naylor has changed his tune about the LOS. “I am not sure that all LOS members realize that the Civil War ended in 1865,” Naylor writes. And Naylor’s letter has several suggestions for the LOS: renounce racism, recruit black members, bring in black speakers, and promote Southern racial unity. He adds, “the Confederate flag has got to go!”

The LOS has not yet responded to Naylor’s policy advice.

Naylor’s closest partner in efforts to promote secession by working with the LOS and other Southern groups has been Kirkpatrick Sale, a longtime leftist intellectual who now heads an outfit devoted entirely to pushing secessionist movements, the Cold Spring, N.Y.-based Middlebury Institute. In 2007, Sale said that the LOS “has not done or said anything racist in its 14 years of existence.”

This has caused some consternation in the leftist circles Sale has long traveled in. For example, Sale’s colleague Roane Carey at the progressive magazine The Nation, where Sale is on the masthead as a contributing editor, told the Report, “The Nation has no sympathy for or connection to the League of the South or any group of that ilk.” Carey said he hopes Sale “comes to his senses” and distances himself from the LOS. It remains to be seen if Sale will follow Naylor’s lead and do so.

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  • The Great Southern Trend kill

    Its not unusual for see infighting and indiferrences between various factions of nutty wingers representing the far right. This is very prevalent in the current Neo-Nazi movement. This is how they behave and do business. Its uncilvilized and Neanderthallery at best. And I call that a damn good sign for the many Americans nationwide, whose American way of life is affected by this dubious movement. Therefore, we are still a long way off of fighting the White Powers that be. Which is why I cherish these reports to expose the sinisterery ways of the White Supremacy and to educate the masses to reject their hate filled messages aimed at pretty much everyone who isn’t “whitey” or those whites who stand for unity and Freedom and everything we as a Nation stand for.

  • http://NaylorfinallyrejectstheLeagueoftheSouth-butisittoolate? marc awodey

    Naylor finally rejects the League of the South – but is it too late? I pulled the Second Vermont Republic bumper sticker off my car, in part, as a result of Dr. Naylor’s infatuation with the LOS, and I applaud his renunciation of it now. Yet considering the obvious history of racism in the LOS, I still wonder why there was ANY sympathy for the LOS in the first place. The answer, is because the leaders of SVR are less concerned with Vermont independence based on Vermont’s traditions, history, and cultural uniqueness, than they are with personal agendas and radical ideologies. Naylor has stated: “Peaceful dissolution of the empire is more important to me than secession from the United States.” Naylor, Sale, and the editors of the pseudo-secessionist newspaper Vermont Commons use Vermont as a scenic backdrop for spouting typical 9/11 conspiracism, lincoln revisionism (although if they are now going to continue to run such articles), and testifying to every radical chic cause celeb under the sun. They’ve done great harm to the movement – a movement that has been building for decades. Is the damage irrevocable? I’d like to hope that it’s not, and Naylor’s break with the LOS can only be seen as a positive step. Where is goes from here is yet to be seen. Another positive step would be to recognize we are separatists in the Quebec tradition, rather than “sesesh” as if we are all (like Naylor) originally from Mississippi.Naylor finally rejects the League of the South – but is it too late?
    I pulled the Second Vermont Republic bumper sticker off my car, in part, as a result of Dr. Naylor’s infatuation with the LOS, and I applaud is renunciation of it now. The disgusting comments above illustrate why the issue was so important – yet they also make me question further why there was ANY sympathy for the LOS in the first place. The answer, is because the leaders of SVR are less concerned with Vermont independence based on our traditions, history, and cultural uniqueness, than they are with personal agendas and radical ideologies. Naylor has stated: “Peaceful dissolution of the empire is more important to me than secession from the United States.” Naylor, and the editors of pseudo-secessionist Vermont Commons use Vermont as a scenic backdrop for spouting typical 9/11 conspiracism, lincoln revisionism, and testifying to every radical chic cause celeb under the sun. They’ve done great harm to the movement – a movement that has been building for decades. Is the damage irrevocable? I’d like to hope that it’s not, and Naylor’s break with the LOS can only be seen as a positive step. Where is goes from here is yet to be seen. Another positive step would be to recognize we are separatists in the Quebec tradition, rather than “sesesh” as if we are all (like Naylor) originally from Mississippi.

  • ex-SVR

    I was born and raised in Vermont and for a long time was a vocal, public supporter of and participant in the SVR movement. Most folks at least passively support VT’s succession–Vermonters, that is–even if solely from a spirited sense of independence and a good sense of humor. However, Vermonters are also less tolerant of racism than almost any other group of folks I’ve met, and here I’m talking about even mild, racially “distasteful” comments people make even jokingly.

    Despite being 98% white (I suspect that is actually an underestimate), and relatively homogeneous at least in VT’s rural areas, the majority of folks, whether we live in Burlington or Barre, White River or the Northeast Kingdom: we may be backwards in a number of ways, but giving any quarter or countenance to racism and racist scum is not one of them. The tradition of hate written in VT, written about in books like “Burning Crosses in the Green Mountains,” or Edwin Black’s “War Against the Weak,” is long dead. Even VT’s “big” papers ran some stories a couple of years ago, as I recall, about having a Klan group listed on SPLC’s hate groups map in Rutland (a.k.a., “Rutvegas”). Whatever the root of the story was, no one in Rutland was even aware of this, and if the group ever existed there, it had been inactive for a very long time. It’s by no means a hate-free state, still struggling with homophobia (the remnants of the incredibly unfortunate “Take Back Vermont” movement). And of course, no one born in VT has much love for the flatlanders (folks from Connecticut, Massachusetts and Jersey) who are driving up housing prices, destroying the rural landscape with their monstrous McMansions, drive slower on a road in the fall than a John Deere while they go on leaf-peeping excursions, call Barre “Bar,” and are busily ruining the bucolic charm that drew them to VT in the first place by filling it up with more vacation homes than you can shake a stick at. But despite the errors of SVR, any salt of the earth Vermonter would sooner fill a “LoSer” with birdshot than shake hands, The only places you’re every likely to see a confederate flag in VT outside of a history textbook is in the windows of some yahoos from Swanton who are really from the South and upon whom the fact that they lost the war was apparently lost.

  • http://michelle2005.wordpress.com Michelle

    These hate groups are a scourge upon the earth. Having lived outside the USA for so long, I’ve seen hate ‘up close and personal’ more times than I can count. There are many things I wish I hadn’t seen…yet, these are the very things my heart will never relinquish.

    Coming back home, the hate may be ‘packaged’ a bit differently, but hate is hate…no matter how it’s dressed.

  • http://www.occidentaldissent.com/ Prozium

    Tom3′s post above is a good example of why I have a hard time distinguishing between racists and anti-racists. They are often two sides of the same coin. It is not uncommon to hear ethnic slurs, appeals to violence, and hateful rhetoric coming from those ostensibly committed to eliminating hate from our society – the target of the above being ethnic white Southerners instead of blacks. If the LoS (little more than a Romantic club) had endorsed hanging blacks, I have no doubt that it would would elicted a blog entry from Heidi Beirich.

  • Tom3

    Funny thing about this is the Vermont guy’s ancestors probably shot at the Southern rednecks’ ancestors.

    Too bad we didn’t kill ALL the Rebs back then. We should have hanged them all for treason.

    We wouldn’t have had Jim Crow for 100 years.

  • http://www.occidentaldissent.com/ Prozium

    The point he was making is that mainstream conservatives are quicker to endorse the casual use of violence and unconstitutional measures to promote their objectives than many of these obscure “hate groups” like the League of the South. It is also hypocritical to denounce hatred in general while reserving hatred for groups you dislike.

  • Great Southern Trend kill

    “Does “small town minded” mean having compassion for other peoples?”

    Actually I don’t have “compassion” for racists. I don’t see any difference between LOS and the CCC. I lump all racists organizations into the same boat.

    “Great Southern Trend Kill” reveals what frauds the leftists are”

    Once again, what exactly did I “reveal”??? But oh,
    F.Y.I. based on your poor judgements directed at me–
    1.) I’m not a “leftists” soley because I opposed the LOS rhetorics and what their positions are. Doesn’t make one a “leftists” any more than it makes one a Neo-con.
    2.) You talked about the Iraq war as if it were something I (or others on here) strongly supported which is irrelevant to anything about this article or my comment. But because of your serious lack of judgement, then do I need to informed you that I have never voted for George W. Bush??? Let alone the Iraq War???

    Your arguement against me is baseless so I won’t bother to dignify your comments with a response.

    However, speaking of “hate”, yes I do despise the White Power Movement in the States like every other American Citizen. White Supremacists and Neo-Nazis are indeed the most hated “breeders” by…..well, pretty much everyone. Is that gonna make me “Jewish” because of that??? I don’t think so.

  • http://www.kindredblood.wordpress.com Billy Yank

    2. Recruit Black Members
    From the SVR’s letter to the LoS…

    LOS leaders should embark on a strategy to recruit African American members into the LOS. This will be a tough sell, because Southern blacks will be understandably suspicious of the motives of a formerly lily-white secession organization. It will most likely be necessary to offer scholarships or discounted memberships to attract blacks. The importance of this step cannot possibly be overemphasized

    Why discount membership for blacks?…what is Naylor saying here??

  • anti-zionist confederation of states

    Use of the word “isolationism” by ‘Great Southern Trend-kill’ reveals what frauds leftists are, using littlegreenfootballer / Rush Limbaugh rhetoric. They delegitimize the LoS as extremists and legitimize the military-industrial ziogod complex of the GOP as one half of the mainstream. They must believe that wasting innocent Iraqi lives rids the world of some backwards “fundamentalist” “breeders” who stand against “LGBT” rights. The Iraqi agriarian must fall for the liberating air of the city (NYC, Tel Aviv, Weimar Berlin). All in the name of “capitalism” and “freedom”. I believe that all anti-racists on the “mootsf” forum (just as an example), either don’t mention the Iraq war, or are highly in favor of it; showing it in their names “glad-saddam-is-dead” or an Israeli military avatar. I’m waiting for David Neiwert and “Ampersand”, two of the most disgusting bloggers to come out as the pro-war zionist scum they always were, and join thier brother scum like “confederate-yankee”, and “Americaneocon”.

    The liberal MUST support everything he classically hates, because what classically hated supports liberalism. The capitalist is an agent of entropy. The “LGBT” is an agent of entropy; this is a symbiotic relationship. In this age, one is not found without the other.

    Go to the “pro-victory” GOP blogs and you’ll find that they are run by a miscegenation of blacks, gays, jews, and red-necks, who all want to kill Arabs and at the same time they “celebrate the legacy of Martin Luther King”. Nothing seperates them from your run of the mill-Liberal except it’s the Arab who has replaced the “red-neck” white; the shadow buzzkill hater who ever tries to prevent them from “strutting their stuff”. When their hate the Muslims gig dies down a bit; these Littlegreenfootballer-pose-striking zionists will know where to turn their attention.

    The GOP is miltant-wing liberalism.

  • http://www.occidentaldissent.com/ Prozium

    W.’s interventionism sunk us in Iraq and is now threatening to do so in Iran. Let’s not forget Vietnam. We’re still in South Korea. What do you call that except a waste of American lives and resources on militarism?

  • anti-zionist confederation of states

    Vermont is a 98 percent white (and probably not many “god’s chosen” as well) republic. What can a homogenous society such as Vermont know of “racism”? What the SPLC tells him. Thomas H. Naylor should shut his trap, cease his American-gulag leviathanist position, or more will be demanded of him by the “anti-racist” government groups, such as importing Somalians, like they did in white Maine. Thomas H. Naylor, don’t back down from your true convictions.

    From what I’ve seen the LoS is unanimously against the war for Israel, our Diverolian Judeocapitalist Iraq war. Meanwhile the “mainstream” south supports the demon Bush, and would like to see Arabia “nuked”; Great Southern Trend-kill, does “small town minded” mean having compasion for other peoples?

  • Great Southern Trend-kill

    Although, it appears that this group, the LOS doesn’t have any real impact on major societies of the dirty South. Except for the smaller and lesser known rural areas where they seem to harbor much influence over small town minds of poor white people. But I couldn’t careless of which rural areas are influenced by LOS since they’re pretty much very isolated and almost never heard of. They make no impact on general society just like Rockwell`s American Nazi Party of the 60`s. And I hope it stays that way for the time being. These hate-mongers deserve no air time or media coverage since they seem to be doing a public discourse and displaying xenophobic behavior that shows nothing but bitter ideologies of isolationism. Yet, they produced nothing good for their own people. Irony of ironies, these are the kind of people that needs to be cast away so that the American people can live in harmony and unity.

  • http://entdinglichung.wordpress.com/ Entdinglichung

    asking racist organizations to stop being racist is like asking the water to stop being wet … as far as I know Murray Bookchin critizised Sale e.g. in his book “Re-enchanting Humanity” in the mid-1990s because of the similarity of Sale’s anarcho-primitivist positions with some rightwing ecologist/deep-ecologist positions; furthermore, Sale promotes “bio-regionalism”, an ideology with overlapping ideas with the French “Nouvelle Droites” conception of “ethnopluralism”