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Plot to Murder SPLC Founder Disclosed

By Mark Potok on July 14, 2008 - 9:02 am, Posted in Hate Groups, Klan, Lawsuits, Neo-Nazi, Podcasts

A new book details a formerly undisclosed 1999 plot to assassinate Morris Dees, co-founder of the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC), and possibly also to blow up the center. Written by FBI agent Tym Burkey and informant Dave Hall, Into the Devil’s Den describes how Hall, after penetrating the neo-Nazi Aryan Nations group in Ohio and Idaho, uncovered the plot shortly before the assassin was to head south to SPLC headquarters in Montgomery, Ala. The assassin was arrested on April 14, 1999, and had timed his attack to roughly coincide with the April 19-20 anniversaries of the fiery end of the 1993 Branch Davidian siege in Waco, Texas, the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, and the birthday of Adolf Hitler. The plot was apparently concocted by several men upset that Dees and the SPLC that year sued the Aryan Nations in an action that ultimately resulted in the sale of the group’s Idaho compound.

Ron EdwardsRemarkably, the book also identifies Ron Edwards, national leader of the Kentucky-based Imperial Klans of America (IKA), as a possible (but uncharged) conspirator. The SPLC is now preparing for a November trial against Edwards and IKA on behalf of a boy who was beaten by two of the group’s members. This February, when Dees went to Kentucky to take Edwards’ deposition, the Klan leader (above, right) showed up with a fresh tattoo on the side of his newly shaven head that read, “FUCK S.P.L.C.”

The 1999 plot, which was averted thanks to the work of Hall and Burkey, was only the latest attempt by extremists to assassinate Dees or attack the SPLC. More than 30 people have been sent to federal prison in connection with similar plots.

For more on this case, read an account of the plot here.

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  • Gunslinger

    A few points:

    1. I go after hate directed at all races, creeds, religions, and this day and age, personal politics (lots of goofy people on the far left and far right).

    2. I dont care what color the haters are. Hate is hate.

    3. Why do we need representatives for each race? Can’t we just be members of the Human Race?

    4. And it will take a force greater then HateWatch to change race relations in not only the United States, but relationships worldwide. This is a just an internet blog after all.

  • http://www.alabamaklan.com Ken Mier

    Gunslinger

    Personaly I dont monitor HateWatch to justify or point out hate crimes against only the white people.
    I have been on here for over two years and I hope that everyone can see the progression of the inner turmoil building within our own Country.
    Note that this presidential campaine has brought the best in some and the worst in others.

    Unfortunantly there is only bitchin and bickering on here and there are no graphs to show troubled areas of all racial discord. Only hate maps, that are absolutely inacurate and out of date.

    Eventually, There must be trusted and appointed representatives from all ethnic groups to compile all of this hater junk and go to the table with all others and bring into the media some mediated guidelines.

    Mr Sharpton and Rev Jackson have declaired a New Civil Rights Era, was the entire country deaf or in denial, since that time it has become obvious…
    Who is worthy of representing the Hispanics and the orientals, the indians , the asians, the whites.?

    Sounds tough don’t it ? Not really,!
    But…..The media wont allow it….nuff said….so lets keep on pluggin the holes lest we sink….!

    In America, we are holding on to the statement ‘
    “In God We Trust” ” Our schools are plagued with the lack of Prayer, and our people are forgetting that this country was founded on spiritual Christian Values.

    The true Christians will not let it go of the cornerstone of our nation of Liberty without some very bloody clawmarks and scars.

    We should all initiate something positive here , actually the folks that visit and comment on this site are the ones who actually care enough to take a hardcore look at the problem..Some are lunitics, some actually smart enough to see the light and try to make a differance, even by the most simple actions.

    My point is , why cant Hatewatch foresee some ideas for a solution and sideline the problem.?

    I have learned so much from this experiance, an attitude of gratitude is in order.

  • the Great Southern Tend kill

    Acts of evil was reported by the Associated Press regarding the recent “White on White” crime. Timothy Dale Johnson is accused of killing the Arkansas Democratic Chairman–Bill Gwatsny. Many Americans should believe this is act of terrorism rather than an isolated incident. And this is what I meant by grave and dire threats of White Extreminisms of the far right(Neo-Con). Other killings recently included the Church shootings in Tenn. last month where the suspect was quoted as saying–
    “The church was too liberal”.

    Which is why I support the Patriot Act and to expand the law enforcement to monitor White Extremists groups and individuals who are capable of such violence. This latest incident exemplifys the need to further protect and increase security of Democratic Headquarters nationwide against dangerous elements of White Supremacists. How many more of these lone wackos need to kill innocents before the Government takes an appropriate approach to recognized the dangers of White Extreminisms?

  • Gunslinger

    Yes there are race motivated crimes against whites, WE KNOW THAT! *capitalized for emphasis*

    But ALL race related crimes are the concern of SPLC. Unlike yourself.

  • Jonathan

    Gunslinger,

    “There just seem to be more angry white people venting and abusing minorities then vice versa.”

    It “seems” that way. Is it really a correct perception?

    Here’s a gem:

    “Man Attacked In Salisbury In What Police Call Ethnic Intimidation

    SALISBURY, N.C. — A young man is being held in the Rowan County Correctional Facility accused in the mob-style beating of a 47-year-old who was simply taking an evening stroll in his neighborhood.

    Matthew Dwyer’s eyes are blackened, his forehead stitched up and his arms scraped up. He said he was beaten by nine black teenagers.

    Salisbury police said it was a racially motivated and gang-motivated crime. Dwyer is white.

    Dwyer said it all started when one of his assailants said he wasn’t allowed on the street, and then Dwyer was hit in the back of the head with a gun. …”

    http://www.wsoctv.com/news/170.....8;psp=news

    Regards.

  • Gunslinger

    Yes they are. There just seem to be more angry white people venting and abusing minorities then vice versa.

  • Jonathan

    Gunslinger,

    Did you look at the anti-White section?
    http://www.splcenter.org/blog/topics/anti-white/

    There are only two articles there, one of which is titled “White Supremacists Threaten Kent State Columnist”. The SPLC isn’t concerned about anti-White racism.

    Regards.

  • Gunslinger

    I wont deny that SPLC deals with anti-white racism too. Focus on that if it is all you care about. I will focus on ALL forms of racism. Anti white, anti black, and so on.

  • Jonathan

    Gunslinger,

    Take a look at the anti-White section of the SPLC.

  • Gunslinger

    ALL forms of racism are the focus of SPLC actually.

    Still praying.

  • Jonathan

    Gunslinger,

    “From listening to your arguements, your equality of punishment is focused more on minority rapists then the white rapists.”

    I was focusing on anti-White racism. Isn’t focusing on anti-non-White racism the goal of the SPLC?

    “Still Praying but not counting on any miracles anytime soon. Hope you wake up soon.”
    Thanks, but I’m awake.

    Regards.

  • Gunslinger

    From listening to your arguements, your equality of punishment is focused more on minority rapists then the white rapists.

    Oh well.

    Still Praying but not counting on any miracles anytime soon. Hope you wake up soon.

  • Jonathan

    Dear Freedom Crusader a.k.a. “Great Southern”,

    U: “Ruben was arrested in 2001 but died in 2002.”
    I was actually disturbed that he died in prison. There was some suspicion that he was murdered. It’s irresponsible of prison authorities to let such things happen.

    U: “The plots and attempted plots to commit acts of terrorism only happened in the later years before his arrest. Does not really qualify them as ‘grave and dire’ threats to whose targets are the Arabs and Muslims.”
    I agree, serious, but not “grave and dire”.

    “Since 1968 JDL operations have killed 7 persons and wounded at least 22.”

    U: “But you cannot juxtaposed the comparision between JDL limited terrorists attacks to Timothy McVeigh`s one timed devastating mass destruction.”
    A matter of magnitude. 9/11 was even worse.

    U: “Whose terrorsts attack has already claimed 168 American Citizens of every color but most were White Caucasians who worked at the Government Bldg.”
    Which adds weight to my view that the attack was not motivated by “White Supremacist” feelings.

    U: “In the statistics you quote. Note that Whites are approximately are/were 70% of the population. Thus blacks rate are always higher. Illogical fallacy. I made no mentioning of this quote. Go back and re-read my previous post. But then again, I’m not sure what you are referring to.”
    I made the quote. One should consider rates of crime and not just absolute numbers.

    U” “The interesting thing to note there is how ‘Hispanics’ are categorized as ‘White’ Hmmmm it makes you wonder how skewed the statistics are..’ Like the ones you quote???(regarding your one and only focus on sexual assualts excluding all areas of other crimes.)”
    We could include Global Warming in the discussion.

    U: “Sure because its biased and discredited. Which is why an independent source did another findings on the stats.”
    The DOJ’s report is “biased and discredited”? Any proof of the assertion?

    U: “However, your obsessions with on aspect of criminal activity called “Sexual Assualts” by Blacks men on White women is grossly inaccurate.”
    How can an obsession be “inaccurate”?

    U: “Because the vast majority of these cases the Black man knows their victims whether through date, relationships etc.”
    Proof?

    U: “Majority of these case are interrracial relationships where many of you White Supremacists …”
    I’m a “supremacist”? How so?

    U: “Contradictory to White criminals who mostly attack their victims randomly and most famously such as the recent “Serial Shooters”(Phoenix 2007), “BTK Killer”, “the Green River Killer” all the way down to “the Zodiac Killer” and “Jack the Ripper”. Almost all of their victims happened to be White. And this is called White on White crime(see my statistics above).”
    Are you saying that Black serial killers don’t choose their victims randomly?

    U: “… the grave and gathering threats of White Supremacy remains evident and alive.”
    I know we disagree, but the threat of “White Supremacy” isn’t grave”.

    Regards.

  • Jonathan

    Gunslinger,

    U: “Well seeing how it is only White woman you are concerned about being raped and ONLY when they are raped by minorities I say yes that makes you a racist.”
    Incorrect; I believe in equality of punishment.

    U: “And I am giggling because you are trying to justify hateful idealism with logic.”
    Good, things are improving: on July 29th, 2008 at 9:42 am you said: “I would be giggling if it was not so sad.”

    U: “Still Praying”
    :)

    Regards.

  • Gunslinger

    Well seeing how it is only White woman you are concerned about being raped and ONLY when they are raped by minorities I say yes that makes you a racist.

    And I am giggling because you are trying to justify hateful idealism with logic.

    Remember now, we are all members of the HUMAN race.

    Still Praying

  • Jonathan

    Gunslinger,

    You said: “So you are more then [than?] willing to allow Blacks to be lynched by an angry mob BUT a White man commits rape you prefer a trial. LOL Talk about bias.”
    I don’t know how you come to such conclusions; I never said I support lynchings. I’d prefer a trial in both cases.

    You said: “And proper philisophical [philosophical] view? What a crock.”
    I was referring to your philosophical view.

    You said: “Your using this ‘philisophical’ view as an excuse to kill minorites.
    Sorry, I don’t recall killing any minorities.

    You said: “You dont give a damn if someone is raped unless the offender has darker skin then [than] you and the victim is white.”
    You have a colorful imagination! I’m not sure how you are concluding the things you do.

    You said: “Call yourself for what you are sir. A racist who prefers hate to logic.”
    Again, I don’t follow your “logic”. So, is it correct to conclude that I’m a “racist” since I express concern over a large number of racially motivated sexual attacks against White women?

    You said: “And I care about combating ALL forms of racism.”
    Good. So you agree that the referenced White women are victims of racism.

    You said: “And I am dealing with one right now. You just happen to be a white racist. I would be giggling if it was not so sad.”
    So you’d be giggling if I wasn’t a “White racist”?

    You said: “Still praying for your soul notheless. God Bless”
    Thanks.

    Regards.

  • Freedom Crusader

    Jonathan,

    Ruben was arrested in 2001 but died in 2002. However JDL terrorists bombings were mostly “ancient history” because the last known attacks were in between the periods of 1980-85. The plots and attempted plots to commit acts of terrorism only happened in the later years before his arrest. Does not really qualify them as “grave and dire” threats to whose targets are the Arabs and Muslims.

    “Since 1968 JDL operations have killed 7 persons and wounded at least 22.”

    The intended targets are folks of Middle Eastern decent–Arabs. None were White. But you cannot juxtaposed the comparision between JDL limited terrorists attacks to Timothy McVeigh`s one timed devastating mass destruction. Whose terrorsts attack has already claimed 168 American Citizens of every color but most were White Caucasians who worked at the Government Bldg. Over 800 American Citizens of every color were wounded including children that were both maimed and murdered. Not to exclude the Waco Tx, Davidian compound shootout in 1993 where several agents and law enforcement officials were wounded a few killed in the gun battle.

    “In the statistics you quote. Note that Whites are aproximately are/were 70% of the popluation. Thus blacks rate are always higher.”

    Illogical fallacy.
    I made no mentioning of this quote. Go back and re-read my previous post. But then again, I’m not sure what you are referring to.

    However, I just went through the America`s Most Wanted website and noticed that the “Dirty Dozen” highly most wanted criminals. 7 of the 12 wanted suspects are White males(Non-Hispanic Whites) and 5 of the FBI`s top ten are also White and I made that note already…..

    “The interesting thing to note there is how “Hispanics” are categorized as “White” Hmmmm it makes you wonder how skewed the statistics are..”

    Like the ones you quote???(regarding your one and only focus on sexual assualts excluding all areas of other crimes.)
    Sure because its biased and discredited. Which is why an independent source did another findings on the stats.
    Althiough one point of yours made it accurately is that Blacks make up the majority of the prison population so I won’t argue with you on that. However, your obsessions with on aspect of criminal activity called “Sexual Assualts” by Blacks men on White women is grossly inaccurate. Because the vast majority of these cases the Black man knows their victims whether through date, relationships etc. Majority of these case are interrracial relationships where many of you White Supremacists are well known to call these White Women who date–marry Black Men as “race traitors” or race mixers etc. Contradictory to White criminals who mostly attack their victims randomly and most famously such as the recent “Serial Shooters”(Phoenix 2007), “BTK Killer”, “the Green River Killer” all the way down to “the Zodiac Killer” and “Jack the Ripper”. Almost all of their victims happened to be White. And this is called White on White crime(see my statistics above).

    With JDL now being out of the spotlight, the grave and gathering threats of White Supremacy remains evident and alive.

  • Gunslinger

    So you are more then willing to allow Blacks to be lynched by an angry mob BUT a White man commits rape you prefer a trial. LOL Talk about bias.

    And proper philisophical view? What a crock. Your using this”philisophical” view as an excuse to kill minorites. You dont give a damn if someone is raped unless the offender has darker skin then you and the victim is white. Call yourself for what you are sir. A racist who prefers hate to logic.

    And I care about combating ALL forms of racism. And I am dealing with one right now. You just happen to be a white racist. I would be giggling if it was not so sad.

    Still praying for your soul notheless. God Bless

  • Jonathan

    Gunslinger,

    I’d have no qualms if Whites would be lynched for committing rape – though I’d rather it happen via the legal process.

    I think you are confusing “ignorance” with what you see as the “proper” philosophical view of the data. I’m clearly not ignorant.

    The underlying point I’m making is that Blacks and other races in aggregate clearly have a racist intent in their sexual attacks, Whites don’t. Look at the statistics where Black women are victims of sexual attacks: Blacks are virtually the only offenders.

    Are you concerned about racism only when non-Whites are the victims?

    Thanks for your concern about my soul.

    Regards.

  • Gunslinger

    Who is emotional? I see the math, but you fail to realize that white people alone rape white women at a greater number then the blacks alone and the other minorities ALONE.

    You see the stats in a white vs. non white view point and condemn the non whites for their crimes, but fail to condemn the white people who rape white women as well.

    There is no “us against them” only scum. White scum included.

    So unless you want to start lynching WHITE people for raping white women too, I suggest you open your IGNORANT eyes. Yes I said it. Calmly and cooly. IGNORANT. Capitalized for emphases.

    I shall pray for your soul. God Bless.

  • Jonathan

    Gunslinger,

    You said: “I read the data and I still see more white women being raped by white men than black men.”

    I didn’t say that, on July 23rd, 2008 at 12:22 am I said the following:

    “Note that more non-Whites rape White women than Whites do.”

    Again, from table 42 of the DOJ report
    http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/cvus0502.pdf

    For White victims, 44.5% of the offenders are White, 33.6% are Black and 19.6% are other races. 33.6% + 19.6% = 53.2%, thus more non-Whites rape Whites women than White men do.

    Sorry, unless the DOJ is lying, facts are facts. Getting emotional and screeching that I’m “ignorant” doesn’t change that.

    Regards.

  • Gunslinger

    I read the data and I still see more white women being raped by white men than black men. Either you are blind or just using RACIAL IGNORANCE!

  • Jonathan

    Gunslinger,

    You said: “O rly? What sources are you using. I am using UCR data not racial ignorance.”

    I gave the reference, it was DOJ statistics and not “racial ignorance”.

  • Jonathan

    Great Southern Trend,

    The JDL’s activities haven’t quite transitioned to the “ancient history” category yet; Irv Rubin was arrested in 2002, but he won’t have the chance to try again as he is dead.

    You said: “Insofar, according to the FBI`s top ten most wanted. 5 of them appeared to be White, none were Black.”
    Yes, you are right. The interesting thing to note there is how “Hispanics” are categorized as “White”. Hmmmm. It makes you wondered how skewed the crime statistics are.

    In the statistics you quote, note that Whites are/were approximately 70% of the population, thus the Black rate is always higher.

    You said: “And if you noticed the article above, the perpetrators recently arrested for allegly trying to assisinate and acts of evil is as recent as this year.”

    I don’t where it says “this year” in the article: “A new book details a formerly undisclosed 1999 plot to assassinate Morris Dees …” So this is slightly more “ancient” than the JDL plot.

    You said: “One should never turn a blind eye on the grave and dire threats of White Extreminism.”
    It depends how one defines “grave and dire”. I wouldn’t say that the JDL when it was most active or entities referenced above would be “grave and dire”, maybe serious, but not “grave and dire”.

  • Gunslinger

    I meant to say NCVS and not UCR data. My bad

  • Gunslinger

    Oh don’t give me that crap Johnny.

    Crimes reported by victims of rape are made by woman who knew their offenders in one degree or another and are usually members of the same ethnicity. The “Black man in the bushes to rape the white woman” is just an excuse by ignorant people like yourself to dress up in white bed sheets and act like assholes and terrorists.

  • Gunslinger

    O rly? What sources are you using. I am using UCR data not racial ignorance. Besides, how many white slave owners raped their own slaves? Id say more then the white woman raped by black men theory.

  • The Great Southern Trend Kill

    Jonathan,

    And speaking of “ancient history”, surely you may already assumed that also can be applied to the JDL because:

    On July 17th you stated–
    “The JDL doesn’t seem as active these days as it was.”

    Likewise but I guess not. But consider this–

    Insofar, according to the FBI`s top ten most wanted. 5 of them appeared to be White, none were Black.

    Thus, according to the DOJ stats on capital punishment in 2007, 42 persons sentenced to death. Of those 42 persons excuted:
    28 were White males
    14 were Blacks.
    DOJ also reported for the entire decade of the 90`s–
    Whites committed 56% of the violent crimes and 62% of the felonies nationwide.

    HATECRIMES:
    According to the FBI analysis reports on their registry data of the 7,330 known hate offenders in 2006 reveals that:
    58.6% were White offenders
    And only 20.6% were Black offenders

    And F.Y.I. on pedophilia crime statistics. The Bureau of Justice Statistics(BJS) has revealed that majority of sex crimes committed by child molesters shows:
    67% were White men
    &
    32% were Black men
    On any given day in 1994, there were approx. 234,000 offenders convicted of rapes and sexual assualts 60% of the sexual assualts on a minor were committed by Whites and the vast majority of their victims were under 13 years old.

    Regarding serial killers. A sociological data explains:

    “Why Most Serial Killers Are White Men”
    http://www.lagriffedullion.f2s.com/serial.htm

    “A far more relevant and serious issue today”

    And if you noticed the article above, the perpetrators recently arrested for allegly trying to assisinate and acts of evil is as recent as this year. One should never turn a blind eye on the grave and dire threats of White Extreminism. That explains the very core of their active ways of criminality to this day. Unlike JDL is as “ancient history” as the horrible lynchings on Whites in the late 19th century. Then again “its not reasonable to say” the threats given out by White Extremists is not? That would be insignificantly overstated.

  • High John de Conquerer

    I don’t believe it. This is just a publicity stunt to get more donations. I’m sure Dees didn’t flee his $400,000+ salary for safety. Follow the money!

  • Jonathan

    Gunslinger,

    “Interracial crimes are not very comme[o]n.”

    Really? Look at the table 42 in the following link:

    http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/cvus0502.pdf

    Note that more non-Whites rape White women than Whites do.

    “Besides, the whole ‘white woman being raped by black men’ has been used as an excuse to lynch and murder black men for years.”

    It’s hardly was an excuse, it most likely was the reason!

  • Jonathan

    Great Southern,

    As Whites were also lynched, it’s not unreasonable to say that the lynching rate would be proportional to the rate of criminality of the given racial group; today the Black rate of criminality is far higher than for Whites. But all this is ancient history.

    A far more relevant and serious issue today is the level Black criminality and “racism” against Whites. The Black crime rate is well documented. For example, look at interracial rape/sexual assault rates in the DOJ report (scroll down to table 42):

    http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/cvus0502.pdf

    There are about 37,000 single-offender rapes/sexual assaults committed by Blacks against White women and vice-versa is virtually zero for just 2005! Also note from the table how Blacks rape more Whites than Blacks rape Blacks! One cannot deny that anti-White hatred is not involved!

    With regard to White male serial killers, Blacks according to the following link serial kill at double the rate of Whites:
    http://www.mwilliams.info/arch.....-males.php

    With respect to child molestation, I’d suspect something similar, but I haven’t researched it.

    Yes, as I said before, I’m glad the Mr. Dee’s murder plot was thwarted. Such “pro-White” groups and gangs are detrimental to legitimate pro-White interests.

    Regards.

  • Gunslinger

    As a criminology major, I can tell you that the majority of crimes commited in this country are carried out within race groups. MEANING: Crime is overwelmingly either white on white or black on black crime. Interracial crimes are not very commen.

    Besides, the whole “white woman being raped by black men” has been used as an excuse to lynch and murder black men for years.

  • Slavyanski

    The fact that McVeigh might not have personally subscribed to such beliefs is irrelevant. The WN movement is full of individuals who may not fully accept or even understand the ideology, yet remain ever-present, and such people can be very violent as well, sometimes even moreso. Also there are many conservatives who speak in euphemisms about what they hate or don’t like. For example, “bankers” has generally always been code for “Jews”, though after several generations some conspiracy nuts don’t know this.

    Regardless of his ideological connection to the movement, McVeigh’s act probably could not take place without the existence of the movement, providing willing accomplices and connections.

  • The Great Southern Trend Kill

    Jonathan–
    “but not all of lynchings were in response to criminal acts.”

    Not all. But however, most of them were indeed, in response to racial attacks. And I noted Whites were also lynched which was also typical during that time. This is called White on White crime. And White on White crime is still rampant and copious. If one were to look at the stats in the DOJ and the FBI`s, the vast majority of them are White child molesters and Pedo-saxons. Who commit some of the most heinious crimes against White children. And if one were to look at all the serial killers this nation had, 98% of them were White. Even the Zodiac killer who was unfortunately never caught is believed to be a White Male by the investigators during that time and recently.

    The twarted attacks against Dees was a victory. This shows us how dangerous these folks are. The perpetrators must serve hard time for their acts of evil. And that so called tattoo on the head of Ron Edwards indicates the level of his mental degeneration. You don’t get ugly tattoos imprinted on your head that reads profanities unless you have a mindset of an unruly sociopathetic teenager.

  • http://www.occidentaldissent.com/ Prozium

    Great Southern,

    If you want to post incendiary statistics, why not juxtapose the exact number of all the white-on-black lynchings that ever happened in America over a hundred year period next to, say, the number of black male-on-white female rapes in a single year? For good measure, throw in some of those blood curdling quotes by Bilbo and the like who predicted that the demise of segregation would throw open the gates of Hell in the South.

  • http://www.alabamaklan.com Ken Mier

    I cannot understand why anyone would want to assasinate Mr. Dees.
    The Hatewatch site has been a contnious supplier of information for “all” diverse acts of hate thruout the country.
    Sometimes I do see where the information is more focused on protecting the NAACP and sugar coated, but, it is these headlines and blogs where we as concerned citizen will find answers to move foreward in these more intense and troubled times.

    Many changes have been accepted by our members and we have even voted to discontinue our internet website due to the fact that our message from Cullman Alabama in 07
    has created so many new and active members.

    Violence is not the answer and public displays of Hatered are not acceptable.

    To move foreward for the good of our once great country, there must be specific individuals that are willing to accept compromise in order to maintain Civil Rights for their God given Race and heritage.

    Therefore , untill the wanna be Klans see that the Skinheads and Neo Nazis are contributing to the deliquency of the white race then the Klan by any given name will be ignored.
    We ignor these people and commend Mr. Dees for all of his effort in flushing them down the toilet.

    Ken Mier….Investigator. The Alabama Christian Klan
    alabamaklan@yahoo.com

  • Jonathan

    Dear Great Southern,

    A great majority, but not all, of lynching were in response to criminal acts. You noted that Whites were also lynched.

    The JDL doesn’t seem as active these days as it was. You may recall Irv Rubin was fortunately arrested before being able to commit a terrorist act in 2002:
    “Rubin, who was being held on federal charges of conspiring to blow up a Los Angeles-area mosque and an Arab-American congressman’s office, was rushed to a local hospital, where doctors tried to save his life, attorney Mark Werksman said.” [source CNN]

    I also say that it was fortunate that the potential assassin against Morris Dees was also arrested before acting.

    You also may want to look at the case of Dr. Robert Jay Goldstein, who was also arrested for acting:
    http://www.sptimes.com/2002/08.....nal_.shtml

  • Jonathan

    Dear Cheryl Williams,

    “Evidently Johnathan doesn’t have a real education. Kids in high school learn quickly that wikipedia isn’t a reliable way to get any sort of information because it can be changed by any idiot that goes to the site.”
    Sorry to disappoint you, I have a “real” education; I’m aware of Wiki’s shortfalls. It’s good to reference other sources, like I did. The BBC seemed to do a sensible summary (news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1321244.stm) on McVeigh.

    “Then again what can we really expect from a moronic bigot.”
    You’re quick to resort to emotional, ad hominem attacks, which is indicative of a poor education.

    “All he has is a an anti-semitic rant that has absolutely no basis in reality.”
    Noting JDL excess hardly qualifies as an “anti-Semitic rant”. Try Googling Irv Rubin and the JDL.

    “Typical of these sociopathic bozos that live in their own little demented worlds that they would be happy to push on the rest of us.”
    You sound to bit a bit too emotional for your own good.

    Regards.

  • http://www.hillsctytpap.org Michelle Williams

    IF YOU THINK THAT’S SOMETHING……JUST JOIN ME HERE IN THE DIRTY SOUTH “FLORIDA” AGAINST THEM DOWN HERE.

    THEY HAVE ERECTED THE WORLDS LARGEST CONFEDERATE FLAG THAT WILL GO UP TOMORROW JULY 19, 2008 FOR GOOD

  • The Great Southern Trend Kill

    jonathan says:
    “Jewish terrorism is also a serious threat!”

    Not so, because…

    “In a 1986 study of domestic terrorism.”

    Was that the last study conducted on the JDL?
    Well, if you compare the Jewish groups to the White Extremists groups. Then why don’t you ask yourself this– which group has committed more terrorsts acts in the U.S.? In fact, which group has killed more people since the birth of each groups? And if you look into the creation of the KKK which was formed right after the Civil War era. Making this the oldest hate group in this nation. Formed in 1866 the KKK has continued to terrorize the nation to this day. Thus between the years of 1880-1951 The Tuskagee Institute has recorded that 3,437 Blacks were lynched and 1,293 Whites were lynched and this happened during the late 19th and early 20th century….and I can list more and more deaths and incidents the White Supremacists have engaged in.

    And you say…..

    “Since 1968 JDL operations have killed 7 persons and wounded at least 22.”???

    So is the jewish group a “serious threat”? Hardly and probably not as serious as the White Extremists. And 88`s Jeno-side made a valid point that the Oklahoma City bombing was indeed the worst domestic terrorist act ever committed on this nation`s soil. And speaking of Timothy McVeigh`s “motivation”, he was clearly motivated by the incidents at Waco, Tx, and Ruby Ridge, ID. Both of which were White Extremists groups.

    “Since 1968…”

    When was the last bombing or terrorists act committed again? Because, obivously you seemed greatly concerned with a group that’s been defuncted or inactived for what it appears to be a long time. JDL is only a small shadow and insignificant few in comparision to the rather larger White Extremists Movement which is still visible and proactive to this day and age.

  • Sidonie

    Regardless if McVeigh is a white supremacist or not, he’s still a man that used extreme violence to send a message.

  • Cheryl Williams

    Evidently Johnathan doesn’t have a real education. Kids in high school learn quickly that wikipedia isn’t a reliable way to get any sort of information because it can be changed by any idiot that goes to the site. Then again what can we really expect from a moronic bigot. All he has is a an anti-semitic rant that has absolutely no basis in reality. Typical of these sociopathic bozos that live in their own little demented worlds that they would be happy to push on the rest of us.

  • Jonathan

    Dear “Great Southern” and “Jeno-side”,

    You both completely miss the point I was making about the American public and the belief that Iraqis being involved; it was simply an example of a logical fallacy. One doesn’t determine what is true by taking a poll of public opinion.

    Regarding McVeigh’s fuzzy, suspected “connections” and “links” isn’t proof of what motivated him. Even the reading of the “Turner Diaries” doesn’t prove his motivation. Nor does having some overlapping philosophies with “militia” – Hitler and Stalin has overlapping philosophies, but that didn’t make Hitler a Communist and Stalin Nazi. It’s clear that he was motivated by anti-government feelings and Waco, not “White Supremacism”.

    True, the 9/11 attacks and the JDL have nothing to do with the topic of this article and likewise nor does the Oklahoma bombing.

  • the Great Southern Trend Kill

    Jonathan,

    Many still believed McVeigh had White Suupremacists ties. Because of the rhetorics he employed upon others and himself. He frequently wrote letters to his sister pertaining to the very rhetoric that incorporated extreme violence which was said to be inspired by William Peirce`s novel “the Turner Dairies”, and he often boast of the “patriotic movement” at that time which was an anti-government militia movement largely made up of White Extremists of the far right. He was also involved in the recruiting process by possessing and distrubuting the same kind of literature and agenda.
    He wrote letters to his sister regarding the “Overthrow of those who pervert the Constitution. If and they once again draw first blood.” Which he was referring to the bloody shootout at Waco, Tx.

    But despite how you see it, the very same rhetorics he employed was very similiar to the White Supremacists anti-Government agenda(the Patriotic Movement). The FBI has suspected McVeigh to have ties to the Aryan Republican Army which had helped him acquire money through bank robberies throughout the midwest. His own sister has admitted this in court under oath. Even though there was no solid proof that he had connections to the ARA but the same rhetorics therein, shares a perfect match with the ARA according the FBI investigators.

    As far as your other comments regarding the 9/11 attacks and the Jewish groups. I won’t bother to respond to them since its off topic and has nothing to do with White Supremacy let alone Timothy McVeigh.

  • 88`s Jeno-side

    Jonathan,

    You distort the actual truths only to come up with a half truthed measure.

    The Daily Collegian reports that:
    “The FBI investigators in the Oklahoma City bombing gathered evidence linking Timothy McVeigh to White Supremacists connections.”
    http://www.media.www.dailycoll.....2401.shtml

    When McVeigh was arrested, he was carrying the Turner Dairies. Which preaches holy war on all Jews, Non-Whites, and Non-Christians. Again, why was he carrying this?
    Because he shared the same beliefs. Otherwise, if he didn’t . Then what’s the point of carrying that book around?
    Go figure…
    The FBI suspected Timothy McVeigh has ties to the racists White Supremacists group calling itself the Aryan Republican Army, which had helped McVeigh finiance his plot–

    “Jennifer McVeigh(Timothy`s sister) even admitted in a sworn affidavit to the FBI that her brother was involved in a bank robbery”
    And that
    “She helped launder some of the money.”
    “EVIDENCË White Racists aided McVeigh”
    (The Aryan Republican Army)
    http://www.worldnetdaily.com/n.....E.ID=23014

    And then you go on to quote irrelevancy, as if you forget what the subject was about…

    ” Logical Fallacy. A majority of Americans thought the Iraqis were behind the 9/11 attacks too. They were wrong.”

    Your being illogical and absurbant once again. The 9/11 truth movement or the 9/11 attacks has nothing to do with Timothy McVeigh. Sorry.

    Wikipedia`s “Oklahoma City Biombing” reported that a whoping 168 innocent people were killed and more than 800 more were injured in the single worst domestic terrorist attack in this Nation`s history.
    Let me say that again…

    THE SINGLE WORST DOMESTIC TERRORISTS ATTACK IN THIS NATION`S HISTORY.

  • Jonathan

    Great Southern,

    I’m not sure where you get your information on McVeigh.

    From Wikipedia:

    “McVeigh claimed that the bombing was revenge for “what the U.S. government did at Waco and Ruby Ridge.”[25] McVeigh visited Waco during the standoff, where he spoke to a news reporter about his anger over what was happening there.[26]

    McVeigh frequently quoted and alluded to the white supremacist novel The Turner Diaries. It described acts of terrorism similar to the one he carried out. While McVeigh openly rejected the book’s racism and homophobia,[citation needed] he claimed to appreciate its interest in firearms.”

    And from his interview with Time:

    “TIME: Some people have charged that you are racist? Are you a racist?

    MCVEIGH: No that’s completely false. That’s again something, I don’t think right now that’s something the prosecution is going to bring up at trial because I think they are realizing that. In fact I just read a, one of our private investigators interviewed one gentleman I knew in the service who is black. He said that “No, I never saw that in Tim. In fact, that can work both ways,” meaning that another person could have not liked me and tried to turn that around.

    TIME: Are you anti-Semitic?

    MCVEIGH: No, absolutely not. In fact – (he pauses to think for two seconds)…no.

    TIME: Are you religious?

    MCVEIGH: I was raised Catholic. I was confirmed Catholic (received the sacrament of confirmation). Through my military years, I sort of lost touch with the religion. I never really picked it up, however I do maintain core beliefs.”

    And:

    “Oh yes he was. But then again, its easy for you as a White Supremacist to deny it. But the vast majority of Americans still believe he was.”

    Logical fallacy. A majority of Americans thought Iraqis were behind the 9/11 attacks too – they were wrong.

  • The Great Southern Trend kill

    McVeigh was a part of extreme christiani movement at that time(Neo-con). 99% of its members are Caucasians. According to his documentary the bombing was to coincide with Adolf Hitler`s B-day and the incident at Waco, TX.

    “McVeigh wasn’t motivated by White Supremacism”

    Oh yes he was. But then again, its easy for you as a White Supremacist to deny it. But the vast majority of Americans still believe he was. Its undisputed. Sorry.

  • Jonathan

    Jewish terrorism is also a serious threat!

    From Wikipedia on the JDL:
    “In a 1986 study of domestic terrorism, the Department of Energy concluded: “For more than a decade, the Jewish Defense League (JDL) has been one of the most active terrorist groups in the United States….Since 1968, JDL operations have killed 7 persons and wounded at least 22. ”

    PS:
    McVeigh wasn’t motivated by “White Supremacism”.

  • The Great Southern Trend kill

    This is exactly why the federal government has got to make it a priority to increase the manpower of the law enforcement agency. Mainly the ATF and the FBI(responsible for keeping tabs on homegrown domestic terrorists). If Barak Obama were to be our next prez, then surely he will do just that. Knowing the threats of the Neo-ConservaTARDS(neo-con) and other White Extremists is a clear and present danger. We as Americans must remain vigalant and keep a watchful eye on these White Supremacists. Many of the well known White Supremacists are already exposed. You can see their photos and faces in various websites, press release etc. Because of their attendance at racists rallies which are heavily monitored as well as their internet sites in hopes of stopping another “McVeigh bombing”.

    Kudos to the FBI and Hall for putting an end to such a horrible deed and that was a plot to kill innocent people regardless of their race, ethnicity and gender. This is exactly why we need to keep focus on the White Supremacists. This act alone only goes to show everyone how evil these neanderthals really are.

    Thanks to the SPLC for their endless reporting on dangerous criminals as the Neo-Nazis of today.

    There is never a shortage of anti-Nazi soldiers, who`ll continue to fight to expose the enemy. And these are the enemies of Freedom!!!