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	<title>Comments on: Arab-Bashing Extremist Dropped by Libertarians</title>
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		<title>By: Slavyanski</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2008/08/06/arab-bashing/comment-page-1/#comment-33362</link>
		<dc:creator>Slavyanski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 11:50:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, actually he would not be, as others have done so. It&#039;s called the first admendment. Furthermore, he was not criminally punished for the statements he actually made either.

Take the White Whine elsewhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, actually he would not be, as others have done so. It&#8217;s called the first admendment. Furthermore, he was not criminally punished for the statements he actually made either.</p>
<p>Take the White Whine elsewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Lawrence Carroll</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2008/08/06/arab-bashing/comment-page-1/#comment-33274</link>
		<dc:creator>Lawrence Carroll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 01:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nightgaught,

you have a point about possible hidden agendas regarding some &quot;libertarians&quot;, but then as Noam Chomsky, Ralph Nader, and many others like them point out, the Democrats (and obviously the Republicans) are often very complicit in the funding of state-sponsored terrorism, or terrorist organizations, like the School of the Americas, or mass-murder policies, such as those conducted in Nicaragua in the 1980s, or the killing of a third of East Timor&#039;s population, in which American weapons were often those used, and in which American diplomatic and financial support was present during the entire 25 year genocide, from President Ford&#039;s administration until near the end of Clinton&#039;s, without break.

In Chomsky&#039;s book, &quot;Rouge States: The Rule of Force in the World,&quot; he quotes at length from Carter&#039;s Sec. of Defense (I think it was Cyrus Vance), and shows explicitly that the same policies that guided Reagan were almost the same that were guiding Carter&#039;s administration: that Nicaragua could do anything it wanted . . . so long as we (US gov&#039;t) agreed to it first.  (or else . . . )

Personally, I don&#039;t find Ayn Rand any more offensive than the average Republican or Democrat -- in fact, I find her often less so (though not always).

As with any other teacher or teaching (Christianity, for example), those who &quot;follow&quot; often are the ones who not only distort the original message, they invert and pervert it beyond any semblance of its original intent.

Just think of what Lenin and Stalin did with Marxism.  There was no gradual attrition of state power, and the ruling class was still very present.  

The Catholic Inquisition was hardly based on the teachings or principles of Christian love and forgiveness etc. 

There are so many examples. . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nightgaught,</p>
<p>you have a point about possible hidden agendas regarding some &#8220;libertarians&#8221;, but then as Noam Chomsky, Ralph Nader, and many others like them point out, the Democrats (and obviously the Republicans) are often very complicit in the funding of state-sponsored terrorism, or terrorist organizations, like the School of the Americas, or mass-murder policies, such as those conducted in Nicaragua in the 1980s, or the killing of a third of East Timor&#8217;s population, in which American weapons were often those used, and in which American diplomatic and financial support was present during the entire 25 year genocide, from President Ford&#8217;s administration until near the end of Clinton&#8217;s, without break.</p>
<p>In Chomsky&#8217;s book, &#8220;Rouge States: The Rule of Force in the World,&#8221; he quotes at length from Carter&#8217;s Sec. of Defense (I think it was Cyrus Vance), and shows explicitly that the same policies that guided Reagan were almost the same that were guiding Carter&#8217;s administration: that Nicaragua could do anything it wanted . . . so long as we (US gov&#8217;t) agreed to it first.  (or else . . . )</p>
<p>Personally, I don&#8217;t find Ayn Rand any more offensive than the average Republican or Democrat &#8212; in fact, I find her often less so (though not always).</p>
<p>As with any other teacher or teaching (Christianity, for example), those who &#8220;follow&#8221; often are the ones who not only distort the original message, they invert and pervert it beyond any semblance of its original intent.</p>
<p>Just think of what Lenin and Stalin did with Marxism.  There was no gradual attrition of state power, and the ruling class was still very present.  </p>
<p>The Catholic Inquisition was hardly based on the teachings or principles of Christian love and forgiveness etc. </p>
<p>There are so many examples. . .</p>
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		<title>By: Mani</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2008/08/06/arab-bashing/comment-page-1/#comment-33008</link>
		<dc:creator>Mani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 08:19:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting... If this moron had said kill every man woman and child who is  Jew he&#039;d be serving 20-40 years in jail. Wow America&#039;s such a great country..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting&#8230; If this moron had said kill every man woman and child who is  Jew he&#8217;d be serving 20-40 years in jail. Wow America&#8217;s such a great country..</p>
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		<title>By: Nightgaunt</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2008/08/06/arab-bashing/comment-page-1/#comment-32923</link>
		<dc:creator>Nightgaunt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 21:15:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe it is because of the sinister influences of people like Ayn Rand and her pernicious selfish totalitarian leanings that still poison them. Cold indifference to out right hostility to those not like them or as well off as they are.  I couldn&#039;t stand it and stopped being one. I consider myself an anarchist-socialist similar to Noam Chomsky.

They have to be careful of the psychopaths that are so much like Landham in their ease in hurting others up to and including mass murder. (Psychopaths aren&#039;t all serial killers and all serial killers aren&#039;t psychopaths) I wonder how they missed that? Maybe they didn&#039;t and hoped  he would keep quiet about it till he was elected. It didn&#039;t work out that way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe it is because of the sinister influences of people like Ayn Rand and her pernicious selfish totalitarian leanings that still poison them. Cold indifference to out right hostility to those not like them or as well off as they are.  I couldn&#8217;t stand it and stopped being one. I consider myself an anarchist-socialist similar to Noam Chomsky.</p>
<p>They have to be careful of the psychopaths that are so much like Landham in their ease in hurting others up to and including mass murder. (Psychopaths aren&#8217;t all serial killers and all serial killers aren&#8217;t psychopaths) I wonder how they missed that? Maybe they didn&#8217;t and hoped  he would keep quiet about it till he was elected. It didn&#8217;t work out that way.</p>
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		<title>By: Lawrence Carroll</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2008/08/06/arab-bashing/comment-page-1/#comment-32747</link>
		<dc:creator>Lawrence Carroll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 12:42:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to be a member of the Libertarian Party, and they were a lot of good people in it, and obviously still are.  Yet even during the best of times, I have to admit that (like any political party) there have always been those in it who certainly struck me as being somewhat &quot;off&quot;  . . . or worse! :-)

On the other hand, there have been those who obviously are not &quot;off&quot; at all (in some respects, anyway)!  Both Ron Paul and Bob Barr, for example, are definitely &quot;with it&quot; in regard to closing the &quot;School of Assassians&quot;, and ending American imperialism, and stopping the stupid, insane, asinine Drug War, as are many of other political persuasions, like Tom Hayden and Noam Chomsky, and Barney Frank, to name a few.

It should also be mentioned that there is a lot of paradox and irony in life itself.  My mom, for example, during the Great Depression, had the love, courage, and integrity to quit her job at a small bank in the South because she had witnessed firsthand the president of said bank deliberately deceive an elderly black man into signing his property over  for nothing, making him think he was signing a new mortgage.  When the poor man realized what had happened, he started crying, and yet the bank president was laughing!  

Yet my mom was a conservative, a George Wallace supporter -when he was around- and a member for a good many years of the John Birch Society.  Yet, she used to say, when I was growing up, to my two brothers and myself whenever we expressed hate, not to, that there was too much of it in the world already.  And she meant it.

Likewise (going on about irony), Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, in his famous book, &quot;Love and God,&quot; states that he is &quot;God&#039;s instrument.&quot;  And, he also states (more or less) in his other speeches and writings that being enlightened means not making mistakes in life.  Yet, despite his transcendent nature, he made a mistake once, claiming that &quot;world peace&quot; had been achieved (this was back in about 1978.  I still have the TM movement publication in which he is quoted as saying this.).  But at the time he said it, the genocide against the East Timorese was still going on like crazy, as well as the US-backed genocide in Guatemala, as well as many other not-peaceful situations in the world.  

Even lowly newspapers and magazines often publish &quot;errata&quot; and corrections, that often say something like &quot;In our October issue, we incorrectly identified Morris Dees as a evil person, when in fact, he is not at all, and is in fact, quite wonderful.  We sincerely regret the error.&quot;  So why can&#039;t Maharishi put a correction in a newpaper like the New York Times, that he was wrong about world peace being achieved, especially now that 30 years have passed! 

Inquiring minds want to know!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to be a member of the Libertarian Party, and they were a lot of good people in it, and obviously still are.  Yet even during the best of times, I have to admit that (like any political party) there have always been those in it who certainly struck me as being somewhat &#8220;off&#8221;  . . . or worse! :-)</p>
<p>On the other hand, there have been those who obviously are not &#8220;off&#8221; at all (in some respects, anyway)!  Both Ron Paul and Bob Barr, for example, are definitely &#8220;with it&#8221; in regard to closing the &#8220;School of Assassians&#8221;, and ending American imperialism, and stopping the stupid, insane, asinine Drug War, as are many of other political persuasions, like Tom Hayden and Noam Chomsky, and Barney Frank, to name a few.</p>
<p>It should also be mentioned that there is a lot of paradox and irony in life itself.  My mom, for example, during the Great Depression, had the love, courage, and integrity to quit her job at a small bank in the South because she had witnessed firsthand the president of said bank deliberately deceive an elderly black man into signing his property over  for nothing, making him think he was signing a new mortgage.  When the poor man realized what had happened, he started crying, and yet the bank president was laughing!  </p>
<p>Yet my mom was a conservative, a George Wallace supporter -when he was around- and a member for a good many years of the John Birch Society.  Yet, she used to say, when I was growing up, to my two brothers and myself whenever we expressed hate, not to, that there was too much of it in the world already.  And she meant it.</p>
<p>Likewise (going on about irony), Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, in his famous book, &#8220;Love and God,&#8221; states that he is &#8220;God&#8217;s instrument.&#8221;  And, he also states (more or less) in his other speeches and writings that being enlightened means not making mistakes in life.  Yet, despite his transcendent nature, he made a mistake once, claiming that &#8220;world peace&#8221; had been achieved (this was back in about 1978.  I still have the TM movement publication in which he is quoted as saying this.).  But at the time he said it, the genocide against the East Timorese was still going on like crazy, as well as the US-backed genocide in Guatemala, as well as many other not-peaceful situations in the world.  </p>
<p>Even lowly newspapers and magazines often publish &#8220;errata&#8221; and corrections, that often say something like &#8220;In our October issue, we incorrectly identified Morris Dees as a evil person, when in fact, he is not at all, and is in fact, quite wonderful.  We sincerely regret the error.&#8221;  So why can&#8217;t Maharishi put a correction in a newpaper like the New York Times, that he was wrong about world peace being achieved, especially now that 30 years have passed! </p>
<p>Inquiring minds want to know!</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Cook</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2008/08/06/arab-bashing/comment-page-1/#comment-32535</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Cook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 01:50:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will the pro-family movement every condemn the Council of Conservative Citizens?</description>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2008/08/06/arab-bashing/comment-page-1/#comment-32532</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 01:37:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Libertarian Party is notorious for extremist infiltration (&quot;they love our MESSAGE OF FREEEEEDOOOOM&quot;) so this isn&#039;t particularly surprising.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Libertarian Party is notorious for extremist infiltration (&#8220;they love our MESSAGE OF FREEEEEDOOOOM&#8221;) so this isn&#8217;t particularly surprising.</p>
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		<title>By: Jimbo</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2008/08/06/arab-bashing/comment-page-1/#comment-32488</link>
		<dc:creator>Jimbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 19:21:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To: Kevin
I&#039;ve often speculated that &#039;The Anti-Semitic White Supremacists&#039; have been encouraging the Jews to make everyone hate them - through promotion of The Current Israeli Regimes Policies, for example.
After, &#039;The Final Solution&#039; didn&#039;t work out for them, did it?
So why not take advantage of their &#039;Cultural P.T.S.D.&#039; (from The Holocaust, of course) to egg them on to their own eventual destruction?
I warn my Jewish Friends about these &#039;Conservative Christian Zionists&#039; all the time; so take note Joel Lieberman!!! These People HATE YOU, and they would do anything to get rid of you; including goading you onward to your own demise. I KNOW THIS, I&#039; a &#039;Jew and N-word Lover&#039; who &#039;betrayed The Klan and my own Race&#039; because of them; they are devious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To: Kevin<br />
I&#8217;ve often speculated that &#8216;The Anti-Semitic White Supremacists&#8217; have been encouraging the Jews to make everyone hate them &#8211; through promotion of The Current Israeli Regimes Policies, for example.<br />
After, &#8216;The Final Solution&#8217; didn&#8217;t work out for them, did it?<br />
So why not take advantage of their &#8216;Cultural P.T.S.D.&#8217; (from The Holocaust, of course) to egg them on to their own eventual destruction?<br />
I warn my Jewish Friends about these &#8216;Conservative Christian Zionists&#8217; all the time; so take note Joel Lieberman!!! These People HATE YOU, and they would do anything to get rid of you; including goading you onward to your own demise. I KNOW THIS, I&#8217; a &#8216;Jew and N-word Lover&#8217; who &#8216;betrayed The Klan and my own Race&#8217; because of them; they are devious.</p>
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		<title>By: Slavyanski</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2008/08/06/arab-bashing/comment-page-1/#comment-32431</link>
		<dc:creator>Slavyanski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 08:48:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fact that it took them that long to get rid of the guy with comments like that speaks volumes about libertarians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact that it took them that long to get rid of the guy with comments like that speaks volumes about libertarians.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2008/08/06/arab-bashing/comment-page-1/#comment-32409</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 05:30:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Landham himself is obviously a racist.   I have this suspicion that his throwing in that &quot;anti-Semitic&quot; claim is a lame attempt at a diversionary tactic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Landham himself is obviously a racist.   I have this suspicion that his throwing in that &#8220;anti-Semitic&#8221; claim is a lame attempt at a diversionary tactic.</p>
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