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Plot to Assassinate Obama? White Supremacists are Worried

By Mark Potok on August 26, 2008 - 12:02 pm, Posted in Conspiracies, White Supremacist

As news of a possible assassination plot against Sen. Barack Obama broke on Monday and Tuesday, white supremacists reacted overwhelmingly with suspicion that they were being set up by the federal government to take the fall.

Reports from Denver indicate that the three men arrested in the supposed plot on Sunday — Tharin Gartrell, Nathan D. Johnson and Shawn Adolf — may have been linked to a “white supremacy group,” possibly racist skinheads. One of the men was reportedly wearing a swastika ring when arrested, and one was said to be linked to a motorcycle gang called the Sons of Silence. The Southern Poverty Law Center has no evidence linking the gang or any of the three men to white supremacism.

“Seems more like an attempt by ZOG to assassinate us,” wrote “DAglaff Wolfing” on Stormfront.org, the most important white supremacist Web forum, referring to the “Zionist Occupation Government” — white supremacist lingo for the federal government. Added “Ravening Wolf” in the same thread: “It wouldn’t surprise me if these people are jews [sic], or dumb patsies, involved in yet another false-flag Mossad operation … in order to conjure up yet more anti-gun legislation.”

“I completely predicted that they would do this,” “AZDane” wrote on Stormfront. “If Obama IS assassinated, it will be the gov’t doing it and we’ll take the blame. Like always.”

Many of those posting derided those arrested because police also found quantities of methamphetamine. (“Besides,” wrote one, “real white men wouldn’t have been stopped from completing their mission, whatever it may be. These people were fools.”) But they kept coming back to the idea of a government plot.

“It sounds like concocted BS,” wrote “General1812.” “Seriously, plots that are this serious don’t come to the surface so easily. The government law enforcement [agencies] may be expecting Obama to win, and so are getting ready to conduct a preemptive strike against WNist [white nationalist] organizations.”

Or, as “Alida302” put it in the Stormfront thread: “Sound like a bunch of wannabe small timers to me. They need to make sure that [Obama’s] black ass is protected. His death would bring down a s**tstorm of hell upon all of us.”

Earlier, long before the Democratic convention opened in Denver, many white supremacists were arguing that an Obama victory could actually be good for their movement. They predicted that such a victory would shock white Americans, drive millions of them into white supremacist groups and, ultimately, lead to a race war that would finally result in the much hoped-for final Aryan victory.

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  • Cory

    You know whats funny, all you people are saying lets search for tattoes and signs on the people, but also complain about our taxes being raised. If you want to search for these signs of 88 and 14 and what not, government will raise taxes because people will complain about why they must do that

  • Jay

    I am back.
    I decided to give Obama a chance. He has been in office for 39 days now and look. Socialism is spreading at an alarming rate. He has spent more in 39 days than Bush did in 8 years. People actually have the nerve to support Obama’s fiscal ignorance and turn around and call Bush stupid.

    Obama is talking down the economy in order to use fear to control everything. You liberals said Bush governed using fear. Bush used fear of something real, terrorism. Obama is using fear of something that Barney Frank and Chris Dodd did to us on purpose in order to get Obama elected.

    Let’s face it. Obama is not doing anything to resolve the stereotype that the black man’s intellect is beneath that of the other races. He is actually making it appear to be true, which is sad.

    God save us from the left-wing’s fiscal stupidity. Have hope, with this President, the Democrats will lose all respect and we will soon have a totally conservative voter pool, Congress, Senate, and a smart man/woman in the White House.

    Bet all of you liberals are shocked we will have 50k troops in Iraq for a long time to come. And also, a new war in northern Pakistan with an additional 150k troop surge. How is Obama any better than Bush? He is worse by a country mile. More war on top of the biggest spending bill in United States history. Wow, what an embarrassment to his darker race eh? What an embarrassment to Americans.

  • dragon

    You are all wrong! These white people are white SEPARITISTS, not supremacists!

    The Chinese and Japanese are not syupid enough to let their populations become racially tainted. White mans biggest problem is that he lacks a racial consciousness.

    Diversity will destroy the USA.

    Different races can never live in harmony unless ruled by a dictator. Human nature causes races to stay pure. Mixing leads to disaster.

    This man was created equal bullshit aint gonna work.

  • Jack

    I just was reading up on the presidential election and came across this article. I read the blogs and I do have to say that Aslan you are incredibly full of it. You talk about the WN’s lying when it is you who are lying about your involvement in WN orgs. It is obvious you are using this lie just to establish credibility and sound reputable. You are clearly a hypocrite and lie to support your own liberal agenda.

  • blackman

    its sickening to know that ignorant morons like you still exist in such an advanced society, if you cant stomach a black president, move out of the country.

  • Jonathan

    88`s Jeno-side,

    I wouldn’t boil stability of societies down to a single factor; multiple factors obviously are at work.

    Stalin was a Georgian, but Georgians aren’t Russians – I don’t know why you think that the Soviet Union was homogeneous, it was a patchwork of different nations! Soviet passports even indicated the nationality of the holder.

    Kurds aren’t Arabs. Sunnis and Shiites have differences of opinions. Look what happened to Czechoslovakia with the “Velvet Divorce”. Tito kept multi-ethnic Yugoslavia together with a combination of skill and secret police tactics.

    What do you think is behind the Darfur going-ons? The 15-year civil war in Lebanon? The examples abound.

  • 88`s Jeno-side

    Jon says:

    “Do you think Helmut Schimdt was naughty to say such a thing?”

    In my opinion, I think Helmut Schimdt was a flippin` idiot. If Germany was in such a current state crisis caused by “multi-culturalism”, then surely we would be seeing the same results in Germany as in Iraq, perhaps even the Russian invasion of Georgia?
    Did you forget the fact that Georgia was once a part of the USSR? Those societies are “homogeneous” FYI.

    Sorry that your arguement doesn’t seem to be holding up. So the best thing you could do was paste quotes from the opinions of someone else….ha.

    You should know this already–
    Actions speak louder than words and the actions taken by Russia recently says enough. The same can be said of Sadam Hussien`s regime. So the least you could do is post quotes.

  • Jonathan

    As reported in the Telegraph by Hannah Cleaver on 25 Nov 2004, Helmut Schmidt, the former German chancellor, said:

    “that multiculturalism can only work under authoritarian regimes, and that bringing millions of Turkish guest workers to Germany was a mistake.”

    “The concept of multiculturalism is difficult to make fit with a democratic society,”

    The article goes on to say:

    “Mr Schmidt, 85, who was the Social Democratic chancellor from 1974 until 1982, said that the problems resulting from the influx of mostly Turkish Gastarbeiter, or guest workers, had been neglected in Germany and the rest of Europe. They could be overcome only by authoritarian governments, he added, naming Singapore as an example.”

    Do you think Helmut Schmidt was naughty to say such a thing?

  • Jonathan

    Hello Y’all,

    My comment about homogeneity correlating with stability of societies kicked up a bit of an expected reaction. I must have hit a bit of a nerve!

    In an article by Walter Williams, he declared :
    “Multi-ethnic societies are inherently unstable, and how we handle matters of interracial crime is just one of the ways that we’re contributing to that instability.”

    So, would you consider Walter Williams a Negro White Supremacist for asserting such a thing?

  • Wolf Trax 88-Hunter

    To prove these White Supremacists wrong on their stance of “homogeneous societies” which they believed “function” better and are more “stabled” than other societies. One should look no further than Iraq.
    Iraq is a good example of a “homogeneous society” and it is not anywhere near the role of being called “stabled” society.
    The people of Iraq are of one race (Muslim-Arabs) and live by virtually almost of the same belief system which is primarily based on Islam.

    Iraq is made up of mostly the Kurds, Sunnis and Shia`s and they’re all of the same race, so therefore its a “homogeneous society” and its definately not “stabled”nor is it functioning properly.

    Which brings me to the point that these White Supremacists are flat out wrong. Their theory does not hold up. Its hogwash.

  • Wolf Trax 88-Hunter

    “You don’t have to go back that far with Europe.”

    If we`re discussing the topic of “homogeneous societies” brought forth by White Supremacists. Then surely you would look into the various societies of ancient history which were “homogeneous” and many of them were battle worn with constant fighting among themselves.

    “Stabled” and “functioned” better?

    History doesn’t tell us that. And we cannot learn by looking into history, okay???

    So yes, we need to look at history.

  • http://www.thehermeticfeast.net/melonella/chronotrigger/ctindex.html Heliconius erato

    You don’t have to go back that far with Europe.

  • Wolf Trax 88-Hunter

    And not only in North Korea, Somalia, Russia or even in Iraq. One should also look at history into the various Germanic, Barbaric, Viking clans who were fighting amongst themselves for coupe purposes before embarking on an invasion of other White societies. And they were all White in Europe during those dark ages.

    “Societies that are racially/ethnically homogeneous tend to be more stable and function better.”

    An illogical fallacy of one who does not understand nor did he ever studied “Societies” which were “homogeneous”. But contrary to his beliefs, a good example of a “stabled” and “functioning” Society is here in the United States and yet its not homogeneous. And they failed to recongnized that. What a shame.

  • http://www.thehermeticfeast.net/melonella/chronotrigger/ctindex.html Heliconius erato

    “Well said “White ‘Supremacist’”! Societies that are ethnically/racially homogeneous tend to be more stable and function better. I’m a great supporter of self-determination.”

    Oh, you mean like Somalia and North Korea?

  • 88`s Jeno-side

    Asian thanks for pointing that out.
    However, regarding Jonathan`s numbers/stats and I am still trying to make time to debate him on the stats in which the ones he’s given is refutable and possibly biased.
    I will need to debate him on the numbers again given properly by the FBI, DOJ etc…
    As what my other comrade has already done(Great Southern) in previous posts.
    Its a replay but I’m ready. And I don’t mind readdressing the truth to the ignorance.

    Stay tuned.

  • http://rationalred.blogspot.com Aslan Maskhadov

    The definition of a “hate crime” isn’t that hard to figure out. It is when the sole motivation for the crime has something to do with the victim’s race, religion, etc. Interracial crime is not necessarily a “hate crime”.

  • Jonathan

    88`s Jeno-side,

    You: There is a major difference between random crimes and hate crimes.
    Me: What about a random “hate crime” ?

    You: The vast majority of hate crimes are committed by Whites.
    Me: I got this from the FBI website. I didn’t paste the link as the SPLC editor seems more likely to delete posts with links. Two things to note: (1) is that White people are “underrepresented” as offenders; White people commit hate crimes at a low rate than, e.g., Black. (2) Where are the “Hispanics” who commit hate crimes? We know that they’ve been killing Blacks in Los Angeles! I’ve heard that Hispanics have been added to the White category. So if you examine the statistics for real White, the number would even lower.

    An analysis of available race data for the 7,330 known hate crime offenders revealed that:

    * 58.6 percent were white.
    * 20.6 percent were black.
    * 5.7 percent were groups made up of individuals of various races (multiple races, group).
    * 1.1 percent were Asian/Pacific Islander.
    * 1.0 percent of known offenders were American Indian/Alaskan Native.
    * 12.9 percent were unknown.

    You: And what is the definition of a hate crime??? Simple..A hate crime is based on entirely on hate.
    Me: Oh, maybe rape should be declared a hate crime? What about such a crime motivated by a little bit of “hate” and the rest by want of money?

    You: And the motivations are almost always abour race.
    Me: Not according to the FBI:
    * 52.1 percent of the victims were targeted because of the offender’s bias against a race.
    * 18.1 percent were victimized because of a bias against a religious belief.
    * 15.3 percent were targeted because of a bias against a particular sexual orientation.
    * 13.5 percent were victimized because of a bias against an ethnicity/national origin.
    * 1.0 percent were targeted because of a bias against a disability.

    You: Random crimes are not. And this is what’s troubling for White Supremacists is perhaps they have a difficulty time distinguishing the two?
    Me: Oh, so maybe the 37,000 rapes committed by Blacks against Whites per year and virtually none by Whites against Blacks is causing the alleged confusion?

    Regards.

  • http://rationalred.blogspot.com Aslan Maskhadov

    I just wanted to add something for the one concerned with “European White Americans” being allowed to “live in peace”. Did someone knock on your door this morning with a gun and tell you to get out of town, with whatever you can carry? Were you told you can publish anything in your native language, or you can’t be caught speaking it in public? Is a curfew in effect at night for “white European Americans”? Did someone wall off your part of the city? Did someone say you can’t go to school because of your race, or you can’t have a certain job because of that? Are you sometimes rounded up to a police station and held for hours or even days simply because you are a “white European American”? Have you been arrested for being white, and then asked to sign a confession or have illegal drugs or weapons planted on your person?

    Please, if any of these things have happened to you before, maybe you can find solace with the Kurds, Chechens, Palestinians, and any number of ethnicities that have ACTUALLY faced real persecution in this world. Otherwise, stop whining.

  • 88`s Jeno-side

    There is a major difference between random crimes and hate crimes. The vast majority of hate crimes are committed by Whites. And what is the definition of a hate crime??? Simple..
    A hate crime is based on entirely on hate. And the motivations are almost always abour race. Random crimes are not.
    And this is what’s troubling for White Supremacists is perhaps they have a difficulty time distinguishing the two?

    Random crimes usually have a motive related to but limited to drugs, gang rivalery disputes, sexual deviants(rapists and Pedophilia) and in most cases–money. Money seems to be the sole purpose for Random Crimes, which are largely committed by minorities.

  • http://rationalred.blogspot.com Aslan Maskhadov

    White National:You spun a nice story there as predicted, and i really like how you tried to involve the Latvians in the Bolshevik revolution. They occupied themselves and deported their own people to siberia? Brilliant! Funny for me is the info i get on this topic shows a strong Jewish involvement. What do i know? The poor Jews are always blamed for all problems since Christ, i guess its just simply ‘mistaken identity’, right?

    Me: This is why you need to read up on history before making comments like that. The statement that Latvians were the most overrepresented group is based on the ethnic make-up of the original Bolshevik Central Committee, before Latvia was even annexed in the first place. That had the highest number of Jews and was only 6%. After that the number fell dramatically.

    As for FBI statistics, I suggest you check them directly, and not from some racialist site. Check out “The Color of Deception” some time.

  • White National

    Aslan.
    You spun a nice story there as predicted, and i really like how you tried to involve the Latvians in the Bolshevik revolution. They occupied themselves and deported their own people to siberia? Brilliant! Funny for me is the info i get on this topic shows a strong Jewish involvement. What do i know? The poor Jews are always blamed for all problems since Christ, i guess its just simply ‘mistaken identity’, right?
    And to say that immigrant crime is lower than native born may be true as they immigrant may be on his/hers best behavior, but that doesn’t show the race-crime stats. The FBI website has some interesting stats on crime, especially considering blacks are only 12% of the population. Im old enough to remember the safe and clean world before third-world immigration, and also have lived in enough places in the world to see how white’s still live in harmony together, which is something that cant be said for any Africa country.
    Dialoging with you is entertaining as you twist every easily noticeable fact i make and deflect any blame. Hilarious really. : )
    Re:
    “Conspiratorial thinking on the part of WNs is what guarantees that violent incidents would happen. Because conspiracy theories are non-falsifiable, they are never proven, which creates frustration in believers. It is only natural that some people get so upset about this that they commit grave crimes, such as the Oklahoma City Bombing. You may not be such a violent person, but given the conspiracies you believe in, does it not piss you off that the smoking gun for your claims seems ever-elusive, that people never “wake up” year after year, no matter what happens? Imagine what those feelings do to a more unstable person with nothing else in their life to be proud of.”

  • Jonathan

    Dear Aslan Maskhadov,

    You said: Ok, I want to make it clear when I am talking about WN orgs, … and it is not hard to imagine how some of the more extreme propaganda can lead to violence. In fact it does lead to violence every year.”
    Me: Possible. Has there ever been any reputable studies done on this besides ADL/SPLC knee-jerk emotion? So if we accept that this could indeed be the case, I’m far more concerned that the message the liberal media, the SPLC and people like Tim Wise – they are always telling “poor oppressed minorities” that the only reason they aren’t achieving equality of outcome is due to “White privilege” and “White racism”. “White National” correctly pointed out the “crime, murders and gang rapes that non-whites commit” in Western countries. Maybe the “enlightened” egalitarians are egging them on?

    You: “Now, just to address a few specific points. Firstly, there is simply no comparison between the conversations at the average “respectable” racialist meeting and Jesse Jackson’s aforementioned comment.”
    Me: Oh, maybe I should have reminded you of Reverend Jackson’s “Hymietown” comment ?

    You: “For one thing, it is pretty clear that Jackson was not using the term in malice, ”
    Me: Wanting to cut someone’s balls off sounds somewhat malicious!

    You: “… but Obama has at least once talked down to blacks, …”
    Me: Obama once belonged to a racist, anti-White church for 20 years. I’m sure that they talk about how much they love White people there!

    You: “Now as for the SPLC, I am aware of what you speak, but since they were kind enough to let my comments on here I am not going to break their balls.”
    Me: I commend the SPLC for having an open forum here!

    You: “I am familiar with Norman Finkelstein’s work, but I don’t see how this negates the fact that WN leaders are parasites and con-men.”
    Me: I don’t deny that there are some bad apples, but that doesn’t legitimize the goal of wanting “… our own Nation where European-Americans can live in peace.” Nor should Israel be de-legitimized due to a few rotten apples.

    You: “White privilege and discrimination are readily proven by statistical studies. I suggest you have a look at timwise.org and find out about such experiments and studies.”
    Me: I’m familiar with Tim Wise but certainly not fluent in what preaches. Let me guess: Statistically Blacks and “Latinos” aren’t as affluent as Whites, therefore they must be suffering from White oppression and/or Whites are “privileged”; since we don’t have equality of outcome some scam must be going on. There are other minority groups that are just as affluent if not more so than (Gentile) Whites – those are Jews and Asians. So all the nonsense about “White Privilege” is simply nonsense. Maybe we should talk about Jewish Privilege or Asian Privilege for a change?

    You: “Lastly, I don’t see why you feel the need to tie the “interests of European-Americans” in with Israel.”
    Me: Simple: in there USA there is a high degree of support for Israel and explicit support of Israel as an ethnically-based state. Virtually all politicians express support – including Obama – for Israel. Thus I see nothing wrong with ethnically-based states, including one “where European-Americans can live in peace.” Ethnically/racially-based are more stable and peaceful that multi-ethnic states. In varying degrees, one needs force to keep multi-ethnic states functioning.

    You: “First of all, I am an anti-Zionist, so you are not going to find any hypocrisy here. “
    Me: Fair enough.

    You: “’European Americans’ are not very European either.”
    Me: OK, then call European Americans Whites. Do you refer to Blacks as African -Americans?

    You: “There is more to a nation than genetic ancestry. Culture and practical aspects matter as well.”
    Me: True, but what about culture and “practical aspects” matter ?

    You: “Grind your teeth about it all you want, but you have, in a practical sense, far more in common with a black or Latino American than you do with the average European German, Russian, or Pole.”
    Me: Like what?

    You: “And in conclusion, I want to comment on the idea of a few “bad organizations” undermining the legitimacy of the WN movement. The fact is there are no good organizations, period. Racialism, as an ideology, is unscientific, impractical, and ultimately unrealistic. Wherever racialists gather, cultural “pride” will inevitably give way to race-bashing and paranoid fantasies.”
    Me: So I also conclude that you think the same about Obama and Obama’s former church; about the Congressional Black Caucus; about AIPAC; about “La Raza”; about MechA; about the ADL, etc?

  • 88`s Jeno-side

    Jonathan, first and foremost. I want to say that I have tried to address your first post directed at me, but because another moderator has filled in for Mark Potok over the weekend. That moderator did not bother to read my comments for moderation but instead saw only my handle”88`s JS” and decided it wasn’t worthy of being posted on here, despite following the guidelines. My comments were deleted (accidentally or intentionally) twice. And will try a third time later…..

    “Since the traits you described could generally be applicable, do you then denounce other “extremists” organizations like ALIPAC, “La Raza” etc?”

    88`s: Yes I do as far as the 2 you’ve mentioned above. {“La Raza” is merely a paper organization which really doesn’t influence society as much as the WN movement. However, I do not denounce the National Council of La Raza which is a separate entitiy from “La Raza”. Soley because I saw nothing in the website of NCLR that pertains to the idealogy of hate as what many White Extremists falsely and blatantly accused them of.

    “Or what you only denouce White organizations?”

    88`s: And there is a valid reason for that. For one, the WN movement is more active and vocal compared to their relatively isolated and near unknown “La Raza” rivals. If SPLC has written a piece in here about the ineffective “La Raza”, then surely I just might write a comment about it. But they’re rarely written about because they’re not doing anything to draw attention to themselves(i. e. Committing hatecrimes, vandalizing sacred structures, spraying painting racial slurs on people`s property with their tademarked “La Raza” to identitfy them et al, etc..) Like the WN movement. Who commit crimes on a daily basis. The most recent and well known is the 3 “skinheads” in Denver such as the article states.
    So there you have it.

  • Jonathan

    Dear 88`s Jeno-side,

    Since the traits you describe could be generally applicable, do you then denounce other “extremist” organizations, like AIPAC, “La Raza”, etc. Or what you only denounce White organizations?

    Regards.

  • http://rationalred.blogspot.com Aslan Maskhadov

    First of all, if you had bothered to check, you would see that immigrants have a lower crime rate than native born US citizens. Feel free to look it up.

    As for Jewish overrepresentation, this is a nonsensical argument. If a small minority actually dominated a certain organization or body, that would be cause for alarm. But the fact that a population is represented in higher numbers than their percentage of the population is not noteworthy at all. For example, WNs like to harp about Jewish “overrepresentation” in the first Soviet central committee, thus implying that the Bolshevik revolution was Jewish dominated or that the Soviet Union represented Jewish power. What they leave out, usually because they are simply ignorant on the subject, is that while Jews were overrepresented in the Central Committee(6%), numerous other groups were also overrepresented, as well as Muscovite Russians. In fact in 1917, the Bolsheviks had the smallest number of Jews of all the other factions involved, with the largest number being in the Jewish Bund, which was the first group to condemn the Bolshevik seizure of power. The most overrepresented group was Latvians, yet we never hear that Communism was a Latvian conspiracy, or the term Latvian-Bolshevism. Gee, I wonder why.

    The idea that “the Jews” do this or “The Jews” support their interests requires one to assume that Jews are a homogeneous collective. In fact, Jews not only constantly conflict with one another, but they also have very different opinions about their identity. Some people consider themselves Russians, Poles, Germans, etc. despite “Jewish” heritage.

    Conspiratorial thinking on the part of WNs is what guarantees that violent incidents would happen. Because conspiracy theories are non-falsifiable, they are never proven, which creates frustration in believers. It is only natural that some people get so upset about this that they commit grave crimes, such as the Oklahoma City Bombing. You may not be such a violent person, but given the conspiracies you believe in, does it not piss you off that the smoking gun for your claims seems ever-elusive, that people never “wake up” year after year, no matter what happens? Imagine what those feelings do to a more unstable person with nothing else in their life to be proud of.

    As for immigration, you don’t have to like it, but you ought to take the time to understand how this capitalist system works, and understand that it is not the immigrants’ choice. Most people if they had a choice, would want to grow up in their native land. That’s why you see refugees crying and not jumping for joy.

    The fact is that powerful “Jews”, and powerful white men, work together because what they do makes them rich and keeps them in power. None of these people really give a damn about ethnicity. Immigration is good for them, so it continues. This is because human society has been based on class, not race. A “white” businessman has no common interest with a “white” worker, period.

  • White National

    To Aslan
    Your claims of being an evil WN, now turned savior of all is moving, but im not buying it. Whether there is closed door rants, cross burning or whatever BS the media and Hollywood conjure up, it doesn’t compare with the crime, murders and gang rapes that non-whites commit in almost every western country today thanks to forced third world immigration. Its a form of warfare in their native land and they brought it with them to my once civilized country. I dont have to like it or support these people.
    Jews are over-represented in politics through congress and so many more facets of western society, and they use it to THEIR advantage. They solely control America’s finance system through the Federal Reserve and control their foreign policy. Weapon of mass destruction or enemy of Israel, just pick a war of the past or the upcoming Iran conflict. Really, this isnt rocket science, all you have to do is turn the tv off and do some research yourself.
    Spin away Aslan,

  • http://rationalred.blogspot.com Aslan Maskhadov

    Ok, I want to make it clear when I am talking about WN orgs, I haven’t even mentioned NSM, organized Skinheads, etc. I am talking about the so-called “respectable” orgs. Let us not forget that some of the worst criminals of the WN movement had ties not to groups like NSM but the National Alliance. More than this, the movement also includes, and in fact consists mainly of, the activity on the net, which involves thousands of unaffiliated racialists, many who have never met one another. You cannot for a minute claim that what is trafficked in those forums cannot legitimately be called hate, and it is not hard to imagine how some of the more extreme propaganda can lead to violence. In fact it does lead to violence every year.

    Now, just to address a few specific points. Firstly, there is simply no comparison between the conversations at the average “respectable” racialist meeting and Jesse Jackson’s aforementioned comment. For one thing, it is pretty clear that Jackson was not using the term in malice, but was trying to illustrate the patronizing nature of something Obama allegedly said. I am not sure if this incident was connected, but Obama has at least once talked down to blacks, such as with his “Popeye’s chicken” comments. If anything, Jackson was expressing anger at Obama talking down to blacks. This can’t even be called an analogy.

    Now as for the SPLC, I am aware of what you speak, but since they were kind enough to let my comments on here I am not going to break their balls. However I will point out that unlike Pierce, they did not call average people lazy, or attack people allegedly on welfare, while living off donations. I am familiar with Norman Finkelstein’s work, but I don’t see how this negates the fact that WN leaders are parasites and con-men. It should be telling that the movement that is supposed to fight for what is allegedly good about “white people” is continually led by perverts, womanizers, con-men, and combinations of those things.
    I should also point out that the existence of Israel is not totally tied to the Holocaust, but that is another issue entirely.

    White privilege and discrimination are readily proven by statistical studies. I suggest you have a look at timwise.org and find out about such experiments and studies.

    Lastly, I don’t see why you feel the need to tie the “interests of European-Americans” in with Israel. First of all, I am an anti-Zionist, so you are not going to find any hypocrisy here. Still, if we look at what racialists of all stripes say they want, and compare it to Israel’s policies, Israel still looks a lot better. “European Americans” are not very European either. There is more to a nation than genetic ancestry. Culture and practical aspects matter as well. Grind your teeth about it all you want, but you have, in a practical sense, far more in common with a black or Latino American than you do with the average European German, Russian, or Pole.

    And in conclusion, I want to comment on the idea of a few “bad organizations” undermining the legitimacy of the WN movement. The fact is there are no good organizations, period. Racialism, as an ideology, is unscientific, impractical, and ultimately unrealistic. Wherever racialists gather, cultural “pride” will inevitably give way to race-bashing and paranoid fantasies.

  • 88`s Jeno-side

    Good post by “Asian”. I wholeheartly agree with him. Its no secret to the fully informed masses that the WN movement is basically a 2-faced hypocritical movement. They may say and act as if they’re for “equality”, “Freedom” et al in the general audiance but behind closed doors, this is exactly not the case w/ WNs`. Everybody knows they are full of that brown stuff. Their recruiting methods are sinister, using their idealogies to prey on the weak minded loners, depressed and outcasted individuals looking for a sense of belonging and many of them end up with White Extremists without a valid excuse other than to adopt an idealogy they barely recognized as their own. Personally I’ve known a couple of ex-skins who were basically manipulated into joining such organizations they thought was a solid legitimate group with core base approach and a goal they thought would benfifit them…..they were wrong. And now the strongly detest any Neo-Nazis groups including the NSM because they know its based on lies, fear, and hate. There is nothing positive about these hategroups but an instigation for violence that achieves no results.

    Which is why we must denouce these Neo-Nazis/White Extremists.

  • Jonathan

    Aslan Maskhadov,

    I kind of understand the point you are making. In quite an overt way a few “pro-White” organizations do far more damage to legitimate White interests than good. For example, I was watching a Klan rally on TV a few years ago. Talk about making themselves look like fools; it’s hard to image that any anti-White organization could more effective than them!

    Regarding behind the scenes “how they talk when there are no cameras or public audiences”, I can’t really comment. But it’s probably ubiquitously applicable. For example, remember Jesse Jackson’s comment a month or two ago regarding Obama (“Barack…he’s talking down to black people…telling niggers how to behave.”)? Apparently he said other things too. And Obama himself? Bless him, but he’s let a few things slip out too.

    Regarding leaders of organizations living off their donors, the SPLC gets accused of that too! Remember Norman Finkelstein’s “The Holocaust Industry”? Assuming what he said is true, that is far worse than what “Ol’ Grandfather Pierce” or other such ilk have done. So, what would you do, deny Israel’s right to exist because of a few scam artists?

    I certainly agree with you regarding the absurdity of blaming Jews for everything. It’s similar to “White privilege” and the invisible, yet must be there “racism” BS that is suppressing poor minorities.

    The goal of wanting “… our own Nation where european-americans can live in peace.” isn’t essentially different than the goals of Zionists. One can easily find numerous flaws with Israel – there are quite a few!. But overall, Israel’s existence is legitimate and a good thing. Don’ t dismiss a goal as illegitimate due to a few flawed organizations and individuals.

    Regards.

  • Jonathan

    In response to 88`s Jeno-side,

    “WS: ‘We want our own Nation where european-americans can live in peace.’”
    Me: It sounds like what Jews want who live in Israel. What’s wrong with that? Are you anti-Israeli too?

    Jeno-side said: “There is a ‘Nation”’ out there for you and your kind and its called ‘Germany’. Where it all started. The thing called ‘Nazism’.”
    Me: Oh, really? So are you saying that Jews in Israel are “Nazis” too?

    Jeno-side said: “Or to what some claimed that ‘Russia is the last White Nation’ and you can emigrate there …”
    Me: But didn’t you forget that Hitler attacked Russia? If WS was a “Nazi” why would you recommend Russia?

    Jeno-side said: ” … and preserve your “european-american” culture in Russian atmosphere …”
    Me: Maybe WS is American and wants to preserve America as the Founding Fathers envisioned? Did you know that the Naturalization Act of 1790 specifies that one had to be White to become a citizen of the USA?

    Jeno-side said: “… under an autocratic tyrannical gover[n]ment rule where ‘Freedom’ is nearly non-existent.”
    Me: Multicultural countries are far less compatible with freedom and democracy that homogeneous ones.

    Regards.

  • http://rationalred.blogspot.com Aslan Maskhadov

    Can the nonsense, WNs. I was in the WN movement long enough to know the difference between what WNs say to certain audiences, and what is said in private meetings. Hell, I used to construct some of the media-friendly BS like that which you are putting out here.

    To the gallery, I say if you can, that is if you are “white” enough, attend a few meetings of your local “respectable” WN organization, and see what kind of people you meet, and how they talk when there are no cameras or public audiences. Most of it is non-stop butthurt rants about “what the Jews” or “the blacks” are doing. If you think that WNs are just being persecuted and unjustly associated with skinheads, klansmen, etc., by all means, associate with a WN group long enough and you will meet plenty of skins as well as folks with colorful criminal records.

    In fact, WNs are so bad at concealing their need to run down other races, that even on their fancy websites they can’t avoid using racial slurs. For example, take a look at the Natioanalist Coalition. A view of their main site looks family friendly, with some random stock photos taken from who knows where. Oh but what’s this? In one of their news articles they use the word “pickaninny”

    http://www.ncoal.com/nmatters/.....un2008.htm

    That’s not all of course. Being a spin-off of the National Alliance, there is the usual Pierce cult mentality, and Pierce’s paranoid, anger laden screeds are presented as “deep thoughts”. Pierce is shown on the web-site as a friendly, grandfather like figure. In reality, one need only to look at books like The Turner Diaries or Hunter to see what went on in the mind of Pierce. Pierce’s ideology was largely incoherent, and his personal life thoroughly contradicted is preaching. He was a parasite who openly hated working class people, including “whites”. He complained about the average white person being too lazy and complacent, yet he was happy to sit around and live off of other people’s money(more than happy to criticize minorities who actually worked harder than him). He criticized degenerate culture, while presiding over Resistance records, because after all it made money, and never was any content changed during the years of his ownership. And yet look on the site and what do we see, Ol’ Grandfather Pierce, looking like he’s about to tell the grandchildren a story while they eat milk and cookies. And these people accuse Jews of lying.

    Lastly we see this news story on the site: http://www.ncoal.com/ncnews/0208/020208a.htm

    Remember, these WNs are supposedly NOT supremacists, and believe in “real equality” or “real diversity” or whatever BS they are calling their ideology today. Watch that video with this in mind. Also note the dubious claim that is is not allowed to “celebrate White history”. No, poor WN, the history of Europeans is studied widely all over the world, it is just not lumped into some phony catagory of “white”. Anyway, at best it is another example of lying, at worst it is that and another example of how WNs cannot help but attack other races. This usually helps attract the morons because there are many people out there who have nothing in this world to show for themselves, and thus need a movement where they will be judged by some inherent goodness associated with them being “white”. ” I’m white, such-and-such the great inventor was white, ergo I am as good as so and so!” (I can’t take credit for that line).

    The job of the psuedo-intellectual racialist is to give the movement and air of intelligence or progress. After all, big donors tend to be intelligent people who don’t go for the skinhead/klansman rhetoric. But it’s still there, it’s always there, and parasites from Pierce to Duke understand very well that some idiot’s money is just as good as that of a doctor or lawyer, plus idiots tend to follow more willingly, and if you get in trouble they are usually the first to cry that “the Jews” are railroading you.

    So that’s all folks. If some of you fence-sitting, so called “politically incorrect” white folks out there doubt me for just a second, by all means, get involved in the movement. Better yet, start sinking your money and time into it, so that years later you have come in contact with a few dozen people you wish you had never met, whom you would not have met had you not been involved in the movement. Get conned or start to legitimately criticize the “leaders”, and watch as you are called a “Jew” for voicing the obvious. Listen to libertarian whackjobs drone on for hours about the latest conspiracy theories. In other words, find out the hard way.

    As for the WNs that tried to play innocent on here, nice try, but you’ll have to do a little better than that. And no, I’m not Jewish.

  • Greg Gilbert

    I thought this sounded like garbage when I heard in on Larry King last night so I went to Storm Front to read the forums and no such conspiracy rumors exist. Maybe if you did deep and find a couple messages but overall lots of different opinions as always.

  • http://Stormfront.org Emmeric

    As a WN, I can confirm we are in fact concerned that some whacko will get hired by the money interests to assassinate Obama.

    We don’t want him assassinated.

    I am quite surprised SPLC desires to hear Free Speech when they are normally so adamant at quashing it. Taking advantage of this, I would like to say the following:

    Diversity has never worked in any nation that has tried it in history. Ever. We desire to respect other races and cultures by preserving them. Mixing results in culture clash and history has proven 100% of the time that cultures cannot mix without one dying. America currently is white majority, meaning that white culture is killing legitimate black and mexican culture.

    This is wrong. We should be preserving cultures through the only method that works: separation. There is plenty of room in America to divide up the country on racial lines.

    We need cultural respect through separation and true peace. Diversity through racial and cultural mixing results in the death of diversity!

  • 88`s Jeno-side

    In response to White “Supremacists”,

    WS: “We want our own Nation where european-americans can live in peace.”

    88: There is a “Nation” out there for you and your kind and its called “Germany”. Where it all started. The thing called “Nazism”. Or to what some claimed that “Russia is the last White Nation” and you can emigrate there and preserve your “european-american” culture in Russian atmosphere under an autocratic tyrannical goverment rule where “Freedom” is nearly non-existent.

    “White Supremacists”

    Was created by the Jews as a pejorative derogatory term mocking “WN`s”. Its almost like a racial slur regarding such White Extremists basically….its an insult.

    If you think “affirmative action”, hatecrimes bill, civil and human rights as well as Freedom are gonna go away and disapear anytime soon then you really are that delusional. Its probably best if you can emigrate to Russia where none of these thing exist….

  • Jonathan

    Well said “White ‘Supremacist’”! Societies that are ethnically/racially homogeneous tend to be more stable and function better. I’m a great supporter of self-determination.

  • White “Supremacist”

    Hi, I’m a real member of a White Nationalist organisation, and Stormfront. Thank you for supporting free speech.You refer to us as supremacists, yet we’re the ones who preach equal rights for all. not you. We want blacks to have the same rights as whites. You’re the ones who support “affirmative” action, effectively placing european-americans on the bottom of the ladder even if they are equally qualified for a job. That’s individual discrimination based on skin color. We don’t want that, reversed or in any form.

    We want our own Nation where european-americans can live in peace, just as blacks live in their own way in Detroit or Flint. We have no desire to rule over other peoples. We don’t want to hurt anyone, this is something the SPLC claims to keep receiving funds from people who don’t have any insight into what we stand for. Stormfront, Don Black, and Dr.David Duke all strike down hard on any form of violence or terrorism, and the far left groups (Black Panthers, Communists) have a history of terrorism, yet they aren’t protested against, even though they preach violence, something we don’t allow. We’re not interested in being “supreme” over anyone else, and this article is a deliberate spin.

    White, and Black Pride, from a White Nationalist

  • werner

    People who are concerned about the future survival of the Christian European ethnic people realize that making a martyr out of Obama would do immense damage to our cause.

    Who benefits? That is the first question to ask, in light of the numerous false flag operations of the Israeli government and people who consciously set out to demonize Christian European ethnic people.

    Only the enemies of the Christian European ethnic people would benefit by the assassination of Obama.

  • the Great Southern Trend Kill

    Those 3 Nazi Amigos arrested were nothing more than junkie METH Heads–

    “Police also found quantites of Methaphetamines.”

    Seeing their mugshots on the national news. I assumed they’ve just started taking METH or dealing it(perhaps both) not reaching to the point of being called “tweakers” yet. Because if they were actually tweakers, surely they would looked totally effed-up. You know, like the “Faces of Meth.”
    This is now becoming a common practice in the skinhead scene. Doping on Meth.

  • White National

    As a White National i dont wish anyone to die, or conspire to murder either. Its not too hard to see if Obama is murdered by anyone, the WN movement will be blamed. Whether he’s a black man or a white man in office, he’s just a puppet for the bankers and media, who are all the same people with the same agenda. Its easy to connect the dots.
    Something the media and you ‘lefts’ cant see is there are working class whites who arent happy with forced third-world immigration. Its like overpopulating a fish tank with so many different breeds, they feel threatened and kill each other off.
    If you want to see refined ‘hate’ just look at the ADL’s website.

  • http://www.infowars.com Fragmore

    “Too much fucking talking.”

    Nolog the moron, you are complaing that White Nationalist organization Stormfront is somehow influencing people to kill the Democrat nominee, YET you conclude with this:

    “Too much fucking talking.”

    Sounds like you act like one of the people you are blaming.

    “Of course they’ll scream “Zionist plot” they don’t want to admit these are the kind of people they breed.”

    Well the Gulf of Tonkin, 9/11, and the JFK assasination were all government inside jobs. So why wouldn’t people be suspicous?

    http://www.infowars.com

    http://video.google.com/videos.....38;tab=wv#

  • http://www.alabamaklan.com Ken Mier

    Any True Christian Klansman understands that Bo looks black but it was his white Mother who nurtured his ambitions.

    BO is a product of the 60′s , when will America realize that.

    We are in the onset of the New Civil Rights Era.

    The Change will be bi-racial, think about that stupid Skinheads, nazis and haters.
    What are you fighting for ?
    Acceptance is the Key.

  • http://rationalred.blogspot.com Aslan Maskhadov

    Nolongerskinhead, welcome to the club of ex-racialists. As you see, the WNs do precisely what they accuse blacks and other minorities of doing.

    Many of these WNs will try to distance themselves in other ways, using the old “No True Scotsman” fallacy. WNs love to take advantage of their ambiguous, nebulous movement to sever connections with various nutjobs in their ranks. The fact is though, that after all the calls for “intelligence” and “quality over quantity”, the movement is still full of nutcases, and there are still racialist-inspired criminals like these guys running around. The point is these people have no sense of personal responsibility.

  • nolongerskinhead

    Yep, they were WN alright. Of course they’ll scream “Zionist plot” they don’t want to admit these are the kind of people they breed.

    Always talking about how blacks blame whiteys and they sit around whining blaming Jews about EVERYTHING.

    I’ve been to stormfront and i have to say the men there seem like such bitches. Too much fucking talking.

  • http://avatars.imvu.com/BrianoftheCherubim Brian Cook

    When will the self-appointed promoters of the Culture of Life condemn such right-wing violence? Okay, so it does, but not often enough.

  • HERE WE ARE AGAIN

    Life hasn’t changed with the racial equality,for minorities,it’s the nightmare happening again,we say America Land Of the free,But we aren’t,we have the NWO,and chips and new bills assigned to the states by our government.
    We have a new President in 2009,and our Government knows that they will never be content with a BLACK MAN for a President,and a BLACK MAN & his wife and children?,living inside the house that was created for the WHITE MAN to run this Country?,That can’t and they will see to it that it will never happen!!….

  • http://www.xanga.com/angryflower1 Angryflower

    I just hope when Obama becomes president doesn’t end up like the next FJK that would be catastrophic and means that this country is not ready for equal rights. Trully equal rights.

  • Jonathan

    Let’s hope that Senator Obama stays safe.

  • the Great Southern Trend Kill

    Another way to prove these are real skinheads is to search for tattoos on their milk skinned bodies that resemble Neo-Nazism and White Supremacists logos and symbols including code words like “88″, “14″ the Shamrock et ceteria. But not only is the tattoos a sign of their affliation. The Feds must look for “links” linking them to such legit Neo-Nazi groups (i.e. Websites, Personal Webpages, Books, Literature, Fliers, Associates and other Neo-Nazi regalia and items other than just clothing.) In the meantime it seems like these low lifes were basically nothings either trying to make names for themselves and receive recognition for it.

    Which is why I call the WN movement a grave and gathering threat.