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	<title>Comments on: American Legion Attacks Report, and SPLC Responds</title>
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		<title>By: James Hallman</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2008/10/31/american-legion-attacks-report-and-splc-responds/comment-page-1/#comment-71239</link>
		<dc:creator>James Hallman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 10:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One of the main reason we &#039;racist&#039; whites
fear the changing demographics is because
unlike non-whites we want have affirmative
action,set-asides,and diversity programs
working for us. We&#039;ll actually have to work
and use our wits to make in todays society.
I&#039;ll admit that most of the illegal immigrants here
are hard workers, but it&#039;s only because they
know they have too or be deported in many
instances, that, and the fact that who wouldn&#039;t
work harder who&#039;s been used to working for
only $2 a day and no welfare to help out
and who can now make three times that making
just minimal wage. But what about that second
and third genration who isn&#039;t so appreciative at
making only minimal wage, who is more likely
to drop out of school and join a gang, to commit
crimes, and fill our prisons costing the taxpayers
billions each year.
 Yes, we whites are afraid of losing our political
and economic power as well as our cultural
influence. What people in any non-white nation
around the world wouldn&#039;t be. Only in predominately
white countries are we supposed to just fling our
doors open to the rest of the world. And not too ,
is to mean that we are racist and haters.
 We whites will one day throw-off our pychological
chains and regain our racial consciousness as well
as our nation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the main reason we &#8216;racist&#8217; whites<br />
fear the changing demographics is because<br />
unlike non-whites we want have affirmative<br />
action,set-asides,and diversity programs<br />
working for us. We&#8217;ll actually have to work<br />
and use our wits to make in todays society.<br />
I&#8217;ll admit that most of the illegal immigrants here<br />
are hard workers, but it&#8217;s only because they<br />
know they have too or be deported in many<br />
instances, that, and the fact that who wouldn&#8217;t<br />
work harder who&#8217;s been used to working for<br />
only $2 a day and no welfare to help out<br />
and who can now make three times that making<br />
just minimal wage. But what about that second<br />
and third genration who isn&#8217;t so appreciative at<br />
making only minimal wage, who is more likely<br />
to drop out of school and join a gang, to commit<br />
crimes, and fill our prisons costing the taxpayers<br />
billions each year.<br />
 Yes, we whites are afraid of losing our political<br />
and economic power as well as our cultural<br />
influence. What people in any non-white nation<br />
around the world wouldn&#8217;t be. Only in predominately<br />
white countries are we supposed to just fling our<br />
doors open to the rest of the world. And not too ,<br />
is to mean that we are racist and haters.<br />
 We whites will one day throw-off our pychological<br />
chains and regain our racial consciousness as well<br />
as our nation.</p>
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		<title>By: Gilbert Wells</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2008/10/31/american-legion-attacks-report-and-splc-responds/comment-page-1/#comment-62924</link>
		<dc:creator>Gilbert Wells</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 18:50:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Before the attack on the SPLC report there was an article in the Legion magazine by newly elected National Commander Rehbein in which he said he would pursue the immigration problem. As a member of the Legion I wrote him and said this was a bad issue that would drive away young veterans and partcularly hispanic veterans.

He went ahead and this is the result.

National Commanders serve only one year and there must be a cadre of right wing employees who crank out this offensive right wing political rhetoric because they believe that is what the members believe. 

The National Commander&#039;s statements and the cadre&#039;s statements on immigration do not represent my opinions and they are wasting my membership money for political purposes.

I suggest that other Legion members express their contra opinions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before the attack on the SPLC report there was an article in the Legion magazine by newly elected National Commander Rehbein in which he said he would pursue the immigration problem. As a member of the Legion I wrote him and said this was a bad issue that would drive away young veterans and partcularly hispanic veterans.</p>
<p>He went ahead and this is the result.</p>
<p>National Commanders serve only one year and there must be a cadre of right wing employees who crank out this offensive right wing political rhetoric because they believe that is what the members believe. </p>
<p>The National Commander&#8217;s statements and the cadre&#8217;s statements on immigration do not represent my opinions and they are wasting my membership money for political purposes.</p>
<p>I suggest that other Legion members express their contra opinions.</p>
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		<title>By: Moctezuma</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2008/10/31/american-legion-attacks-report-and-splc-responds/comment-page-1/#comment-61503</link>
		<dc:creator>Moctezuma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 08:09:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s simple. These racist white people are afraid the changing demographics of this country. Changing demographics, in their eyes, means losing poltical power. Losing political power means losing their supposed &quot;inheritance&quot;, i.e. their priveleged position in the hierarchy of things. Losing their inheritance means living in the &quot;poor house&quot;. All this is nonsense. The truth is everyone will have to compete to live well in this country, and that includes these racist whites.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s simple. These racist white people are afraid the changing demographics of this country. Changing demographics, in their eyes, means losing poltical power. Losing political power means losing their supposed &#8220;inheritance&#8221;, i.e. their priveleged position in the hierarchy of things. Losing their inheritance means living in the &#8220;poor house&#8221;. All this is nonsense. The truth is everyone will have to compete to live well in this country, and that includes these racist whites.</p>
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		<title>By: Carter</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2008/10/31/american-legion-attacks-report-and-splc-responds/comment-page-1/#comment-54873</link>
		<dc:creator>Carter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 17:13:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Are they REALLY loosing credibility?

In times like these - when the nation has severe unemployment &amp; a true Depression might be at hand are the same conditions associated with 1920&#039;s Germany.

When a large vet&#039;s organization can buy into distorted statistics &amp; a guy like Dobbs get a powerful listener-ship on a (inter)national news channel; the issues are NOT light weight.

The concept here is that in competition for the shrinking dollar any potential voting block is looked upon as an extra (potential) competitor.
This is what should be addressed in the root causation of this reaction to undocumented individuals. Some of them do break the law further than not having legal citizenship documentation; but the larger issue is why their existence here has caused such a stir.
We are headed for harder times. In such a situation it is NOT uncommon for ways to &quot;cut the fat&quot;. If such individuals are seen as a burden on society, they will have the reaction we see thrust upon them.
The bottom-line issue, as I see it, is &quot;are they a burden on Society or not?&quot;
The influx of individuals from Mexico leaves one undeniable fact. Mexico is not a very nice place to live for those who cross over. perhaps it&#039;s the endemic corruption, crime, &amp; lack of opportunity? Mexico is NOT going to repair itself. And that alone is a burden no one asked for. The only way we are going to deal with these issues is to face them without any agenda.
Whats more:
Using the term Gringo doesn&#039;t help matters as it is considered a slur and NOT a term of endearment in Mexico. In polite company or even working class households, the use of such a term is scolded by the parents as Anglos would scold a child for saying &quot;nigger&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are they REALLY loosing credibility?</p>
<p>In times like these &#8211; when the nation has severe unemployment &amp; a true Depression might be at hand are the same conditions associated with 1920&#8242;s Germany.</p>
<p>When a large vet&#8217;s organization can buy into distorted statistics &amp; a guy like Dobbs get a powerful listener-ship on a (inter)national news channel; the issues are NOT light weight.</p>
<p>The concept here is that in competition for the shrinking dollar any potential voting block is looked upon as an extra (potential) competitor.<br />
This is what should be addressed in the root causation of this reaction to undocumented individuals. Some of them do break the law further than not having legal citizenship documentation; but the larger issue is why their existence here has caused such a stir.<br />
We are headed for harder times. In such a situation it is NOT uncommon for ways to &#8220;cut the fat&#8221;. If such individuals are seen as a burden on society, they will have the reaction we see thrust upon them.<br />
The bottom-line issue, as I see it, is &#8220;are they a burden on Society or not?&#8221;<br />
The influx of individuals from Mexico leaves one undeniable fact. Mexico is not a very nice place to live for those who cross over. perhaps it&#8217;s the endemic corruption, crime, &amp; lack of opportunity? Mexico is NOT going to repair itself. And that alone is a burden no one asked for. The only way we are going to deal with these issues is to face them without any agenda.<br />
Whats more:<br />
Using the term Gringo doesn&#8217;t help matters as it is considered a slur and NOT a term of endearment in Mexico. In polite company or even working class households, the use of such a term is scolded by the parents as Anglos would scold a child for saying &#8220;nigger&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Ryan the non-Aryan</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2008/10/31/american-legion-attacks-report-and-splc-responds/comment-page-1/#comment-53064</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Ryan the non-Aryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 16:07:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This article proves that Natavists(the average age is around 55 and older) and its leaders are really dumber than they look. They love to feed on propaganda no matter how full of shit it is. They`ll lap it up.

I saw a Retrograde once in my city holding up a sign that reads--

&quot;70,000 Americans killed by Illegal Aliens everyday.&quot;

As frivolously inept that asinine statement seems. None of those Jethro Natavists are taken seriously with such doctored up balony like that statement I noted above. I guess that&#039;s why they are losing their credibility on a daily basis.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article proves that Natavists(the average age is around 55 and older) and its leaders are really dumber than they look. They love to feed on propaganda no matter how full of shit it is. They`ll lap it up.</p>
<p>I saw a Retrograde once in my city holding up a sign that reads&#8211;</p>
<p>&#8220;70,000 Americans killed by Illegal Aliens everyday.&#8221;</p>
<p>As frivolously inept that asinine statement seems. None of those Jethro Natavists are taken seriously with such doctored up balony like that statement I noted above. I guess that&#8217;s why they are losing their credibility on a daily basis.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Dobbs</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2008/10/31/american-legion-attacks-report-and-splc-responds/comment-page-1/#comment-52199</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Dobbs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 20:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Whenever I hear nativists and xenophobes rant and rave I always wonder how many &lt;i&gt;mujados&lt;/i&gt; they actually know.  I wonder how many they have ever been able to call friends, how many are real flesh and blood human beings to them rather than mere ideas and statistics.  I&#039;ve worked in the restaurant industry in Texas for years and down here all the back of the house folks are from Mexico (I&#039;m sure you can find some from other parts of Latin America, but I&#039;ve never known any) and the vast majority are &lt;i&gt;sin papeles&lt;/i&gt;.  In fact, I remember one of my managers all pissed off that he had to learn everybody&#039;s new fake names when several got new fake SSNs.

These guys are funny, down to earth, kind and largely decent people who work harder than any &lt;i&gt;gringo&lt;/i&gt; I&#039;ve ever known.  If you meet an undocumented worker with only one job, take a picture--he or she is a rare artifact.  I remember one guy I worked with in high school, he was 17 and an undocumented worker from Mexico.  He worked 40 hours a week at my restaurant, 40 hours at another and worked some day labor on his days off (such as they were).  I think it would be wrong to make them all out to be saints... they are human.  Some of them were tremendous human beings, some were assholes, most just decent guys somewhere in between.  They work hard, take care of their kids, pay their bills and other than the occasional dope smoking or getting drunk (which are hardly uncommon in the food service game; quite the opposite) they obey the laws.  This vitriol is completely misplaced.

Unless you are an American Indian you can trace your line back to someone who did the same thing: worked so hard they hurt all over, gave so much to their families that they often sacrificed food or shelter or other basic needs.  These nativist assholes insult their own ancestors when they attack our undocumented neighbors.  And they insult my friends.  It&#039;s too bad I have yet to run into Lou Dobbs (once again, no relation by the grace of God)... I&#039;d have to put it right in his teeth.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whenever I hear nativists and xenophobes rant and rave I always wonder how many <i>mujados</i> they actually know.  I wonder how many they have ever been able to call friends, how many are real flesh and blood human beings to them rather than mere ideas and statistics.  I&#8217;ve worked in the restaurant industry in Texas for years and down here all the back of the house folks are from Mexico (I&#8217;m sure you can find some from other parts of Latin America, but I&#8217;ve never known any) and the vast majority are <i>sin papeles</i>.  In fact, I remember one of my managers all pissed off that he had to learn everybody&#8217;s new fake names when several got new fake SSNs.</p>
<p>These guys are funny, down to earth, kind and largely decent people who work harder than any <i>gringo</i> I&#8217;ve ever known.  If you meet an undocumented worker with only one job, take a picture&#8211;he or she is a rare artifact.  I remember one guy I worked with in high school, he was 17 and an undocumented worker from Mexico.  He worked 40 hours a week at my restaurant, 40 hours at another and worked some day labor on his days off (such as they were).  I think it would be wrong to make them all out to be saints&#8230; they are human.  Some of them were tremendous human beings, some were assholes, most just decent guys somewhere in between.  They work hard, take care of their kids, pay their bills and other than the occasional dope smoking or getting drunk (which are hardly uncommon in the food service game; quite the opposite) they obey the laws.  This vitriol is completely misplaced.</p>
<p>Unless you are an American Indian you can trace your line back to someone who did the same thing: worked so hard they hurt all over, gave so much to their families that they often sacrificed food or shelter or other basic needs.  These nativist assholes insult their own ancestors when they attack our undocumented neighbors.  And they insult my friends.  It&#8217;s too bad I have yet to run into Lou Dobbs (once again, no relation by the grace of God)&#8230; I&#8217;d have to put it right in his teeth.</p>
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		<title>By: xenophobesnightmare</title>
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		<dc:creator>xenophobesnightmare</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 18:17:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Even if the people in those scathing vitroilic natavist groups had any *brains* to conduct their own research(which are based on known facts), than rather listening to a mouthpiece who has no legitmacy on the issue at large. None of these people are independent thinkers like myself. They are very gullible and easily influenced by propaganda, as they are ignorant. 
That&#039;s what causes these hategroups to lose their credibility.
Even megaphonies like CNN`s Lou Dobbs can befitted with the likes of the spurious Hal Turner.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even if the people in those scathing vitroilic natavist groups had any *brains* to conduct their own research(which are based on known facts), than rather listening to a mouthpiece who has no legitmacy on the issue at large. None of these people are independent thinkers like myself. They are very gullible and easily influenced by propaganda, as they are ignorant.<br />
That&#8217;s what causes these hategroups to lose their credibility.<br />
Even megaphonies like CNN`s Lou Dobbs can befitted with the likes of the spurious Hal Turner.</p>
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