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After the Election
After 250 years of slavery, a century of Jim Crow laws, and a legacy of racial terror that includes the lynching of thousands of African Americans, America has elected a black president. It was a day that many thought would never come.
In all the euphoria after the election of Barack Obama, it is tempting to see the era of overt racism in the United States as past, a dead letter that has no relevance in a country that has finally overcome its ugly history. But sadly, that would be a mistake. Obama’s election reflects the fact that the country has made enormous progress in the area of race relations and is likely to propel it to even greater heights. But progress is never a straight line. There is always the danger of a backlash.
Even before the campaign was over, racial rage, clearly driven by fear of a black man in the White House, began to break out around the country. Effigies of Obama appeared hanging from nooses on university campuses. Angry supporters of John McCain and Sarah Palin shouted “Kill him!” at a campaign rally and even screamed “nigger” at a black cameraman, telling him, “Sit down, boy!” The head of the Hillsborough County, Fla., Republican Party sent an E-mail warning members of “the threat” of “carloads of black Obama supporters coming from the inner city to cast their votes.” A reporter who has covered every presidential election since 1980 told me he had never seen such fury. Similar scenes were reported nationwide.
Naturally, the rage also engulfed the radical right. Thom Robb, an Arkansas Klan leader, described for a reporter the “race war” he sees developing “between our people, who I see as the rightful owners and leaders of this great country, and their people, the blacks.” In Tennessee, two neo-Nazi skinheads went further, allegedly planning to murder black schoolchildren, shoot and behead other African Americans, and assassinate Obama. They were arrested two weeks before the election.
A healthy majority of Americans did vote to send Obama to the Oval Office. But, clearly, there are people — perhaps millions of them — who are deeply upset over his victory for reasons that are fundamentally racial. And their anger is likely to intensify as the economy, especially unemployment, continues to worsen.
“Historically, when times get tough in our nation, that’s how movements like ours gain a foothold,” Jeff Schoep, the leader of the National Socialist Movement, a neo-Nazi group with 73 chapters in 34 states, told USA Today. “When the economy suffers, people are looking for answers. … We are the answer for white people.”
Unfortunately, Schoep is right. And the economic meltdown set in motion by the subprime crisis is not the only reason. Indeed, there seems to be a kind of perfect storm brewing of factors favoring the growth of hate and hate groups.
Non-white immigration has been successfully exploited by white supremacist groups in recent years, to the point where the number of such groups has spiraled from 602 in 2000 to 888 last year — a 48% increase. (“This immigrant thing in the past couple of years has been the greatest boon to us,” Schoep said.) And nativist fears have not been limited to extremist groups; politicians and pundits routinely vilify Latino immigrants in public forums. That is likely to continue or worsen as the economy raises new fears among Americans of job loss and wage depression.
At the same time, the U.S. Census Bureau has predicted that whites will lose their national majority by shortly after 2040, leading many to fear that they are somehow losing the country that their forefathers built to both Latino immigration and the comparatively high fertility of our native Latino populations.
And now, a black man has been chosen as America’s president.
David Duke, the former Klan leader and convicted felon who is the closest thing the radical right has to an intellectual leader these days, believes this could all work to his benefit. In an essay this summer, the neo-Nazi ideologue argued that an Obama victory would serve as a “visual aid” to white Americans, provoking a backlash that Duke believes will “result in a dramatic increase in our ranks.”
Even as we embark on a new national adventure, the signs are worrying. It may be that the hatemongers are wrong, that Americans’ better angels will prevail and the changes that are sweeping America will not result in a growing rage on the right. But experience tells us that while we hope for the best, we also must prepare for what could be a dangerous, racially motivated backlash of hate.
on November 7th, 2008 at 9:27 am
And not only was Blacks lynched in the late 19th-early 20th century.
According to the Tuskegee Institute has reported that 1,293 Whites were also victims of Klan lynchings in the South. Most of its victims were vigorous opponents of the Klan.
on November 7th, 2008 at 7:05 pm
I recall that David Duke a number of years ago supported Clarence Thomas as a nominee for a Supreme Court judge.
on November 7th, 2008 at 8:13 pm
Lets hope that better times come around and stay around. As long those low IQ hatemongers dont breed and get any offspring, we might be saved from future insanity.
on November 8th, 2008 at 7:29 pm
The countdown to Obama’s inaguation is near. Depsite feebled cries from the defeated Neo-Cons, the transition will go as planned. I couldn’t careless what the wing-nuts claimed as voter fraud, cry foul is something that we as voters have grown accustomed to. The losing party(in this case the Republifools) will always make false convictions about the “numbers”. The mainstream media left and right as well as Independent A.P`s have been stating for the last final weeks prior Obama`s victory. That Barack Obama has greatly galvanize maximum support among the working class! Heck, even more White women have voted for the Black president! He is popular with the Americans! One cannot dispute the numbers seen worldwide. Speaking of the world, the entire globe is behind Barack Obama! Hell, even Iranian president Ahmadinejad have congratualated the president-elect. And the Iranians haven’t congratualated a U.S. president since the 70`s. Obama is well liked. Only the lesser forms of White Supremacists, do not like the president-elect.
on November 8th, 2008 at 7:32 pm
Duke’s “support” of Thomas was simply for political gain when he was seeking the Louisiana Governor’s Masion.
on November 9th, 2008 at 1:48 am
I would love to know what Johnathan’s point is for mentioning Davd Duke’s support for Thomas. Don’t fool yourself into thinking there was an honest agenda there. I am also tired of the white victim being talked about as well.This game of tit for tat is insulting. Just don’t stop trying to discount what happened to blacks on AMERICAN soil. It is going to take more than one bi-racial president to heal the sickness that America was built on. The myopic view that America is totally healed is a form of denial. I would encourage all of us to beware because there are some sick right winged-nuts who are going to make this victory very difficult to enjoy.
on November 9th, 2008 at 9:39 am
Hi Ajamarie,
“I would love to know what Johnathan’s point is for mentioning Dav[i]d Duke’s support for Thomas.”
It is simply that David Duke in many respects is a reasonable man. Media brainwashing tends to cloud that point for easily-influenced people.
“Just don’t stop trying to discount what happened to blacks on AMERICAN soil.”
African Blacks are just as much to blame as they sold their brethren into slavery. Maybe American Blacks should seek an apology and reparations from them?
” I would encourage all of us to beware because there are some sick right winged-nuts who are going to make this victory very difficult to enjoy.”
It may be better *not* to encourage people “to beware”; if you tell them that there are others out there “ruining” it for them, it’ll turn into a self-fulfilling prophecy. Let them enjoy their victory!
on November 9th, 2008 at 6:57 pm
No actually African blacks are not equally to blame, because not all Europeans continued slavery as the US did. The US was one of the last Western nations to outlaw chattel slavery.
on November 10th, 2008 at 5:44 am
I want to know why everyone always assumes Republicans are racist, I am a republican, who happened to vote for Obama because he was the better man. My wife is an immigrant from Mexico, and I work hard to teach our daughter that skin color is of no importance. I am sick of always being considered a racist because of my party, or because I am from Iowa. I remember my Grandpa (also a republican) telling me to never judge someone by the way they look. Actions make a person. Quit calling us all nutjobs.
on November 10th, 2008 at 7:23 am
“No actually African blacks are not equally to blame, because not all Europeans continued slavery as the US did.”
I don’t follow your logic.
There is nobody to blame anymore as it is now ancient history, except where people still practice slavery.
on November 10th, 2008 at 12:22 pm
Well you do have a bit of a point there- but one needs to at least acknowledge the historical disadvantages blacks have faced in the US. Incidentally, I went through publication education all my life and at no time did any teacher imply that I was somehow responsible or guilty for slavery simply because I am “white”.
on November 10th, 2008 at 12:46 pm
It doesn’t surprise me that these things are said at McCain rallies, they are a good example of, as Obama puts it: “Typical Bitter White People.”
But actually if you check the Klans website you will see that many local Klan organizations were actually for Obama. Their logic is that if a black man was elected president then what better argument do you have to get rid of affirmative action. They said if Americans pick a black man as president, then certainly Americas will hire a black man in the workplace and let a black man into a university. We need to keep affirmative action even though we have a black president.
We will not be successful until every one of these cave dwelling neanderthals dies out. This is the beginning of the end of the white race but we still need to redouble our efforts because it is not the end yet.
on November 10th, 2008 at 1:59 pm
Dear Leeroy Jenkins,
“We will not be successful until every one of these cave dwelling neanderthals dies out.”
- Are you planning to kill them?
“This is the beginning of the end of the white race but we still need to redouble our efforts because it is not the end yet.”
- It sounds like you are looking forward to the end of the White race!
on November 10th, 2008 at 5:00 pm
My sense is that white nationalism will be looked upon as something very backward. Also, the white nationalist groups are not able to unite amongst themselves, due to inter and intra disputes (some provoked by agent provacateurs–thank God).
The U.S. government, so far, views such groups in the same light as they viewed the Black Panthers, communists, radical anarchists, etc: as potential treats to the security of the United States. I am not guessing on this. This is how they’re viewed.
They are not viewed as a legitimate political party, for instance, or a legtimate social movement. They are viewed as potential enemies of the U.S. government.
They can never have the appeal that Hitler had. Hitler’s image is plastered in the psyches of Americans, who have watched decades of Nazi Germany documentaries.
While white nationalist groups are growing, so to is the progressive and leftist movement in the U.S. Progressive radio is getting stronger and stronger, and is set to make an important advance next year, I’m told.
They true white patriots, incidentally, HATE the white nationalist groups with a deep passion, and view them as…ahem…lame assholes. And they’d love the opportunity to catch a bunch of them at night in alleys.
There are no bankers who would back a new Nazi movement in America, as was the case with Hitler. Nazi National Socialism evolved under a different climate.
I”m not saying that they are not a threat. But I think that they were a very minimal threat [that must be watched!]
on November 10th, 2008 at 5:08 pm
I said nothing about killing anybody. As long as the white race exists we will always have the specter of white supremacism out there. I am looking forward to the end of the white race but I don’t advocate killing anybody, time and old age will kill these fossils. Your children are being educated by us already. Your children now stand in our camp. Through the tireless efforts of civil rights advocates they will know nothing else but multiculturalism and multiracialism.
on November 10th, 2008 at 5:38 pm
Hi Leeroy Jenkins,
“As long as the white race exists we will always have the specter of white supremacism out there.”
- As long as we have Blacks, we will always have the specter of Black supremacism out there.
- As long as we have Asians, we will always have the specter of Asian supremacism out there.
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“I am looking forward to the end of the white race but I don’t advocate killing anybody, time and old age will kill these fossils.”
- White people are “fossils”? You sound like a “supremacist” yourself!
“Your children are being educated by us already. Your children now stand in our camp.”
Brainwashed would be a better word for it. We are countering such evil genocidal brainwashing.
“Through the tireless efforts of civil rights advocates they will know nothing else but multiculturalism and multiracialism.”
Most of the rest of the world aren’t foolish enough to fall for multicultural BS, they know it’s an evil ideology.
on November 10th, 2008 at 6:07 pm
John, Jenkins is most likely trolling you, and you’re buying it hook-line-and-sinker. That said, there is no history of black or Asian supremacy in the United States, and people that argue against “whiteness” are not calling for the elimination of people that fall under that catagory.
on November 10th, 2008 at 6:37 pm
Leeroy Jenkins,
Although I don’t fully agree to your logic. Furthermore, ‘Whites” are not gonna “die out” as you vehemently put it.. I`ll dismiss that as an illusory fantasy of yours only. But they will, however be a minority group by 2040 A.D. This is according to the U.S. Census Bureau.
on November 10th, 2008 at 8:08 pm
Johnathon,
What you call brainwashing I call education, what you call an evil ideology I call tolerance. Your idea of black and asian supremacists is laughable. But I don’t need to convince you, as white supremacists are a dying breed, the youth no longer believe in this outdated race baiting. He who owns the youth, gains the future. The white race will die out, in the future there won’t be anybody who calls themselves a member of the white race, only the human race.
on November 10th, 2008 at 9:10 pm
Xena,
The White race is dying out. It is not just “going to die out”, it is happening. White people were 1/4 of the World’s population at the end of World War II. White people now comprise about 1/10 of the World’s population and we continue to diminish. Thanks to Abortion, Homosexuality, Smaller Families and Miscegenation. Unless some drastic actions are taken to reverse these trends, the White race will be marginalized or eradicated completely.
on November 10th, 2008 at 9:30 pm
Johnathan,
You are a wing nut!!!!
If you were in a group of people and a bigger stronger man had a gun to your head while giving you a gun and said “If you want to live you had better shoot that stranger across from you or I will shoot you, your family and your dog. If you choose to obey me I will let you all live and give you the power to create a living to feed your family, CHOOSE” Johnathan, which would you choose??? This was often the choice given to the Africans who enslaved others of the same race. It was killed or be killed. SURVIVAL…most human of all instincts.
Whites are the only ones who enlaved others based on RACE.
Indentured servants etc.. which some blacks may have had was not race based. There is something very sick about measuring HUMAN BEINGS skulls and size of their quad muscles to justify that a type of person was a breed for working.
David Duke reasonable?????
If your reasoning is based on eugenics, fear and race separation then, yes he would be reasonable to you. Here we go just like Sarah Pailn blamming the “evil” media for their poor image. If you look at David Duke’s website there is nothing logical on there. Its all fear and hate. Just because he is not walking around with a shaved head singing screwdirver ( a nazi punk band) songs does not mean that he is any better ar less of a threat.
Republicans are mostly evil, selfish, xenophobic, homophobic and out to create a psudo-caste system. They only look out for the rich white male between 18 and 60. Their ideology is dying out because “whiteness” is…2040 well you will be the minority. Conservative ideals serve less puropse as time goes on…census reports that more and more people identify as “multi-racial”. Everyone is gonna be brown one day hahahahah. The RIGHT JUST AINT RIGHT.
on November 11th, 2008 at 9:23 am
Aslan,
“John, Jenkins is most likely trolling you, and you’re buying it hook-line-and-sinker.”
- He could be having a bit of fun.
“That said, there is no history of black or Asian supremacy in the United States, …”
- It depends how one defines “supremacy”.
“… and people that argue against “whiteness”” are not calling for the elimination of people that fall under that catagory.”
- More Noel Ignatievism …
on November 11th, 2008 at 2:00 pm
Cow-Dung Babble,
“The White race is dying out. It is not just “going to die out.”
Why am I not surprised?
“It is happening”
Of course. Shall it concerned me as a non-White?
“Thanks to Abortion, Homosexuality, Smaller Families, Miscegenation.”
So in other words, you are saying that you’re thankful its happening?
LOLOLOLOLOL….
“Unless some drastic action is taken to reverse these trends”
What action? What trends?
“The White race will be marginalized or eradicated completely.”
Well then you oughta pray to your “Gods” or “Guns” in hopes you’re not going to be placed on the endangered species list.
on November 11th, 2008 at 4:25 pm
Maybe you ought to try actually reading what Noel Ignatiev actually writes, even if he doesn’t quite have all the pieces of the puzzle.
Second, “whites” are not dying out. Throughout Central Asia, India, and South America, “white”, that is to say European looking people, survive to this day. They will always survive. Also supposedly the highest number of abortions in the US is amongst black women(could be a fake stat from conservatives), so what are you racists complaining about?
I would think you would be thrilled to know that Europe does have some positive birthrates, among Tatars and some Caucasian groups, and Albanians.
on November 11th, 2008 at 4:44 pm
Hi Leeroy,
It’s all a matter of perspective, Leeroy. But before we discuss further, please give me your definition of “supremacist”. Thanks.
on November 11th, 2008 at 4:58 pm
Dear Ajamarie,
“You are a wing nut!!!!”
True, I like fixed-wing aircraft quite a bit. Aerobatics is great fun.
“If you were in a group of people … Johnathan, which would you choose???”
- I’m a bit of a rebel, but you never know until faced with such a situation.
“This was often the choice given to the Africans who enslaved others of the same race.”
- Any proof of this?
“Whites are the only ones who enlaved others based on RACE.”
- Highly unlikely. Arabs took millions of Blacks as slaves and they took an estimated one million Europeans as slaves too.
‘Indentured servants etc.. which some blacks may have had was not race based.”
- Slavery is OK, but racism is not?
“There is something very sick about measuring HUMAN BEINGS skulls and size of their quad muscles to justify that a type of person was a breed for working.”
- Why? Athletes have measurements made of them. The East Germans took measurements of potential athletes to see which of them had potential for a given sport.
“David Duke reasonable?????”
- He is often quite reasonable, but I guess on what floats your boat.
“If your reasoning is based on eugenics, fear and race separation then, yes he would be reasonable to you.”
- Or defending one’s heritage, freedom f speech, no foreign wars, no affirmative action, etc.
“Republicans are mostly evil, selfish, xenophobic, homophobic and out to create a psudo-caste system. They only look out for the rich white male between 18 and 60. ”
- Making stereotypes …
“Their ideology is dying out because “whiteness” is…2040 well you will be the minority. Conservative ideals serve less puropse as time goes on…”
- The Republican party has abandoned much of its conservative principles; they were infected by “Neo-Conservatism”.
on November 11th, 2008 at 6:00 pm
I’m deeply concerned by what I am reading here.
The election of Barack Obama seems to have done VERY LITTLE to ease the damage created by racial issues.
I am concerned that many individuals did not vote for Obama because they felt he – as a man and individual candidate – was the correct choice for a leader of our country. I’m afraid some people instead voted because they hold beliefs such as Leeroy’s that the white race should no longer exsist.
Thoughts like Leeroy’s which are voiced against other races, no matter which race, should be handled accordingly as an uneducated, biased perspective.
Polls experienced record setting levels of voter turnout this election, but I have to ask, where are these voters the rest of time and why do they only care now?
I’m equally concerned by the record breaking levels of gun sales in the week of the elections as I am by the woman who appeared on the national news believing Obama’s election would mean she no longer had to pay her rent or car payments.
I fear that Obama’s election has only strenghtened the divide between races, highlighted differences and provided fueling amunition on both sides that encourages more hatred, fear and misunderstanding.
On a side note ( and this will probably spark an entire other debate):
what do you suppose would happen in elections if voters had to pass a test on their knowledge of campaign issues and candidates viewpoints before they were allowed into the polls?
What would happen if only educated and informed voters who understood both candidates policies could cast a vote?
on November 11th, 2008 at 8:37 pm
Johnanthon,
I guess I would go with the definition I found on wikipedia:
“Racial Supremacy is the belief that one’s own race is superior, dominant, chosen, smarter, more civilized, or more productive than any other race.”
Blacks and Asians have never tried to claim their superiority or dominate other races here in America. We’ve had to struggle against white supremacy and that is all. Blacks and Asians have never enslaved whites.
on November 11th, 2008 at 10:00 pm
Gee Rebel, how many choices were there to vote for? Did anyone really NEED race to vote against McCain and that retard he picked for VP? Many conservatives, including prominent pundits, actually endorsed Obama citing Palin as the reason.
on November 11th, 2008 at 11:34 pm
Considering the fact that there is no such thing as race, this is all very stupid!
There is no European, Asian, South American, or African races. There are features and traits and all of us have them to varying degree, so whites can NEVER be extinct because they don’t exist!
I really wish people were blind.
on November 12th, 2008 at 1:51 am
Ginko:the_wanker1492,
You should be concerned about the demise of the White race because they are the glue that holds this flimsy mosaic of a society together. It was a Constitution developed by, and arguably for, White men that has allowed you to voice your opposition to those in power without being imprisoned. It is illegal in almost every other country to openly criticize the power structure. The White race can be credited with the invention of virtually every modern convenience we now enjoy. The White race developed superior systems of government and living. However, we have, particularly in the last few decades, allowed ourselves to be led astray by a Marxist influence in Pop Culture and Education. And as a result, our children, all too frequently, no longer strive to be the best citizens they can be and instead seem to compete to see who can be the least productive and the most destructive member of our society.
An interesting piece of pop culture trivia has to do with the Black singing ensembles of the late 50′s and 60′s. These groups such as Benny King And The Drifters, The Ronettes and The Supremes were basically manufactures of Leiber and Stoller and Phil Spector. Along with Disc Jockey’s, like Alan Freed, they packaged and sold “Black Music” to a White audience. Familiar “Oldies” such as, “Stand By Me”,
“Will You Love Me Tomorrow?” and countless others, commonly thought of as being the work of Black artists, were actually composed and written by Jews, who in turn taught them to the Black performers.
on November 12th, 2008 at 2:17 am
It may interest you to know that I have been busy conducting an experiment. I have been taking my copy of the Map of the United States, that was published in the Fort Worth Star Telegram, showing how the election was broken down on a County by County basis and I have been showing it to strangers at random. I also show them a Red State – Blue State Map containing the Number of Electoral College Votes Allotted to Each State. Although, people on this blog responded that the map was insignificant, when I brought it before, this is not the reaction that I am getting from the men and women on the street. The first response has typically been “How DID He Win”? I then explain to them a little about population centers and the electoral college. I also point out the border and give them some information about the actions of 5th column organizations like La Raza and MALDEF. I have had numerous requests for copies of the maps and I have exchanged information with a number of individuals. These are primarily people that I have just approached at random. They were not Neo-Nazis, Klansmen or Nut Cases. They were just average people, conservatively dressed and well mannered, who were kind enough to grant me a moment of their time. As I said, I intend to make the most of this. This is only the beginning.
on November 12th, 2008 at 6:07 am
It’s interesting to see how this blog will allow a maniac like Leeroy Jenkins to vent his rage at the only race of people who ever has or ever will try to help his. But, they seem to perpetually derive pleasure from childishly tampering with my entries. This shows what sort of mentality I am dealing with. White people, from virtually every Western nation, have sent money, medicine, food and aid workers to Africa with no progress to be seen. In America, we constantly hear “A mind is a terrible thing to waste”. I think that, “A scholarship is a terrible thing to waste”. With the dropout rate at Prairie View A&M being 67% and 82% at Texas State University, it seems that a lot of money has been squandered. Most of the Negroes that do graduate from college are either in athletics or some liberal arts program.
on November 12th, 2008 at 6:34 am
That’s not 100% accurate thirza. The fact is various genetic markers do exist, but for all practical purposes, it would be impossible to easily identify one’s “race” without a DNA test, and even if one went through the inefficient process of doing so, barring in mind that the biological determinist claims of genetics being linked to human behavior are false, it would automatically disprove any claims racialists have to a historical racial basis for past societies.
The fact is that racialists would never agree on who is “white”. For example, I could show photo after photo of Tatars who would easily be accepted as whites. I can find Serbs that would be rejected, and Anatolian Turks that would be accepted. But how would that change after revealing their ethnicity? And let’s not even start with European Jews.
Plus even the most Pan-European types like to try to cut out Bosnian Muslims as “not culturally white”(if this means not culturally European it simply betrays and ignorance of Bosnian culture). Of course Bosnian Muslims have been Islamic for several centuries. Not long enough to equal the time of Christianity in Europe, but then again you could compare that to pre-Christian paganism. Islam, not only in Bosnia but also in the form of the Ottoman Empire, has left a permanent mark on Europe, and there is no more merit to the argument that Islam is un-European than there is to the claim that Christianity is likewise un-European. Though Islam’s influence in terms of nationality is smaller than Christianity, it is still there, in a big way- not only amongst Bosnians, Albanians, and Sandzak Muslims, but also amongst Tatar communities that stretch all the way into Ukraine, Belarus, Poland, Lithuania, and Finland.
on November 12th, 2008 at 10:42 am
“The White race can be credited with the invention of virtually every modern convenience we now enjoy.”
Who invented mathematics such as geometry & diverse theoretical mathematics (not arithmetical elements)?
Not “whites”. Asians
Who invented blackpowder & used same for diverse purposes?
Not some German monk: Asians, a thousand years before him.
In reality (if you don’t get your material from Micheal Savage), the level of diversity in patents from Asian countries, where they use patents to ascribe inventions; have greater depth than do modern European countries.
Good Lord, it seems that there are even people who would deny Einstein’s theories because he was a Jew! Get your facts straight & stop being defensive about your heritage; it sounds too defensive.
I could be VERY defensive about Africa; the level of problems that continent has is overwhelming but I choose to be independent of a world view based on “race”.
on November 15th, 2008 at 1:15 am
Un-flippin believable! About 90% of the comments I’ve read sound completely racist! What is wrong with you people? You’ve put yourself on a pedestal high above the “supremist” but you sound just like them. Leroy & Jonathan – you’re both an embarassment to the human race. Has everyone forgotten what this site stands for? To set a few things straight: 1.white people of old were lazy & bought slaves to do their work & they tricked the indians out of their land 2.both white & black & latino & others created great inventions that we all use today to live 3.the supremists should be mad at their own race for bringing black people to this country (by slavery) 4.someone please tell me that JFK, MLK Jr, Gandhi & countless others didn’t die in vain. They all fought for equality for all 5.we’re all from the same race. Our features changed over hundreds of years to adapt to our surroundings for survival.
*Reading is definitely fundamental. Educate yourself & your children.
*Common sense is not that common.
on November 15th, 2008 at 2:48 pm
Dear GDH,
“Leroy & Jonathan – you’re both an embarassment to the human race.”
- Oh, why thank you!
“Has everyone forgotten what this site stands for?”
- What? Group-think?
“1.white people of old were lazy & bought slaves to do their work …”
- And their Black brethren in Africa sold them to the slave-traders. The Blacks also exterminated the Hottentots and Bushmen.
“2.both white & black & latino & others created great inventions that we all use today to live”
- Many inventions?
” 3.the supremists should be mad at their own race for bringing black people to this country (by slavery) ”
- So non-”supremacists” shouldn’t be mad?
“4.someone please tell me that JFK, MLK Jr, Gandhi & countless others didn’t die in vain.”
- Gandhi was “racist”:
“We believe as much in the purity of race as we think they do, only we believe that they would best serve these interests, which are as dear to us as to them, by advocating the purity of all races, and not one alone. We believe also that the white race of South Africa should be the predominating race.” He says more too:
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/d.....005_pg4_24
on November 15th, 2008 at 5:05 pm
Leeroy,
“I guess I would go with the definition I found on wikipedia:
‘Racial Supremacy is the belief that one’s own race is superior, dominant, chosen, smarter, more civilized, or more productive than any other race.’”
- I sure many people from all races believe they are superior. Jews think that they are chosen. Jews have high IQs. Japanese think they are most civilized. Chinese seem productive these days. I really don’t care what they believe.
“Blacks and Asians have never tried to claim their superiority or dominate other races here in America. ”
- Oh really? I had a Chinese professor who said that Chinese were superior to Americans. I’ve heard various comments from Blacks.
on November 16th, 2008 at 2:49 am
Inventions? Sure Mr. Johnathan KKK USA:
Ninety percent of microphones used today are based on the ingenuity of James Edward West, an African-American inventor born in 1931 in Prince Edwards County, VA. If you’ve ever talked on the telephone, you’ve probably used his invention.
George Washington Carver- 300 uses for peanuts, crop rotation methods just to name two.
Dr. Patricia Bath- a specialized tool and procedure for the removal of cataracts.
Marie Van Brittan Brown, and her partner Albert Brown, applied for an invention patent for a closed-circuit television security system – the forerunner to the modern home security system.
Kenneth J. Dunkley is currently the president of the Holospace Laboratories Inc. in Camp Hill, Pennsylvania. He is best known for inventing Three Dimensional Viewing Glasses (3-DVG) – his patented invention that displays 3-D effects from regular 2-D photos without any type of lenses, mirrors or optical elements.
Garret Augustus Morgan, one of the country’s most successful African-American inventors, created two – the gas mask and the traffic signal.
Dr. Shirley Jackson, a theoretical physicist and famous black inventor, has been credited with making many advances in science. She first developed an interest in science and mathematics during her childhood and conducted experiments and studies, such as those on the eating habits of honeybees. She followed this interest to the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) where she received a bachelors, masters, and doctoral degree, all in the field of physics. In doing so she became the first African-American woman to acquire a Ph.D. from MIT.
Jackson started to conduct successful experiments in theoretical physics and then started to use her knowledge in physics to start making advances in telecommunications while working at Bell Laboratories. These inventions include developments in the portable fax, touch tone telephone, solar cell, and the fiber optic cables used to provide clarity in overseas telephone calls. She has also helped make possible Caller ID and Call Waiting.
An anonymous source said of the Super Soaker®: “I got fired from a job once because of my Super Soaker. I guess that’s what happens when you accidentally drench a customer when you’re trying to get a co-worker who ducks.”
Famous black inventor and scientist Lonnie G. Johnson probably didn’t have that little scenario in mind when he invented the Super Soaker squirt gun, but it is one of the countless memories that can be recalled by those who were young enough to enjoy the Super Soaker after its release in 1989.
There are many more. You also need to realize that white privilage enables whites to access better education and opportunities.(Don’t even start with the affermative action and reverse racism thing…it does not exist) This is why slaves were FORBIDDEN to learn how to read and write (Why most of the black cultures past is documented in song). Educational segragation…giving the blacks to worst teachers, books and classrooms. To top it off being told (by people like Johnathan most likley) that you are stupid and monkey like and can’t get ahead unless you do a jigg for the white man.
The words of my dog Tim Wise about white privilage:
White privilege is when you can get pregnant at seventeen like Bristol Palin and everyone is quick to insist that your life and that of your family is a personal matter, and that no one has a right to judge you or your parents, because “every family has challenges,” even as black and Latino families with similar “challenges” are regularly typified as irresponsible, pathological and arbiters of social decay….. White privilege is being able to claim your experience as a POW has anything at all to do with your fitness for president, while being black and experiencing racism is, as Sarah Palin has referred to it, a “light” burden.
on November 16th, 2008 at 2:53 am
FYI all of those inventors are BLACK!!!!
on November 16th, 2008 at 6:26 am
David Duke and his Ilk met near my town this past weekend. The meeting was all about the election. Does anyone know their motives? As noted here, the rise in hate crimes have risen since the election.
I’ve searched here and there on the net not getting a real clear answer on why they are meeting. It frightens me that people like this will once again set the country back another 100 yrs.
E.S.
on November 16th, 2008 at 6:48 am
Leeroy i understand where you are coming from. You are not being negative in my eyes. I’ll just kind of reword things a bit…
I think most people want to perserve their culture…and there is nothing hateful about that. We can learn so much from each other through multi-culturalism.
As the human race everyday we are becoming more connected. I can instantly communicate with another person in another part of the world and become their friend at the touch of my fingertips. It wasn’t like that many years ago. And through this communication quite naturally we learn that we may be different,.but not that much different from each other.
At this point in history no one is pure anymore. Someone once told me that we are at least 50th cousins by now. I wouldn’t say that literally that the white race is dying out because “dying out” is strong phrase. The white race is just evolving,..like any other race.
on November 17th, 2008 at 5:07 pm
Hi Ajamarie,
“FYI all of those inventors are BLACK!!!!”
- Great. Thomas Sowell is a genius. I wish more Blacks would emulate Mr. Sowell and such inventors.
“The words of my dog Tim Wise about white privilage: …”
- Tim Wise … sigh. I don’t want to speculate his motives, but he says some pretty silly things. White privilege is fantasy.
on November 17th, 2008 at 5:20 pm
E.S.,
Leeroy says he’s “looking forward to the end of the white race …, time and old age will kill these fossils.” and you say “Leeroy i understand where you are coming from. You are not being negative in my eyes.”
But you admit that you don’t know why David Duke and associates were meeting but “It frightens me that people like this will once again set the country back another 100 yrs.”
Why did they meet? From David Duke’s website: “… will gather in Memphis to stand up for our rights and heritage. He has stated that he and the EURO participants will meet in Memphis and give voice to the issues that are vital to European Americans.”
So how would standing up for one’s rights and heritage “set the country back another 100 yrs.”?
Are you anti-White?
on November 18th, 2008 at 1:22 am
Johnathan….of course you think Tim Wise is silly. He calls your racist ass out.
I can guess that Tim Wise is more educated than you. It takes great wisdom and courage to see the world from anothers eyes. Your myopic view of the world, lack of historical knowledge (proven by your question about black inventors) and total absence of empathy is a cocktail for humanities destruction. You are why we can’t stop fighting. You are the reason why we NEED affermative action and hate crime laws. You are why the reason why your own people die. Too busy looking out for the “black boogy man who wants to take your pure white women” or the “lazy Mexican who is stealing your job” (does that make any sense????) to see that your own miserable kids are in the garage plotting to shoot up his classmates. You people are soooo busy being privilaged that you don’t even know whats going on around you. If you want more blacks to emmulate Thomas Sowell…than don’t hate on Obama. He is educated, a dedicated father, loyal husband, articulate and religious.
I would love to know how many blacks that you know personally.
Not who you saw on the news or who shines your shoes. How many blacks’ stories do you know??????
Both my parents made six figures…legally. No baby daddies, welfare or crack houses. I had more than most of my white friends. Did you go to Paris for your 18th birthday? I did.
Do you live in a 3400 sq foot home? I do.
Do you know any heirs to the fortune of a product that you grew up eating? I do.
Was the last flight that you took to NYC first class???? I did!!!!
IM BLACK wow go figure.
Now to contrast that do you know a boy that was abandoned at age 11, picked up by a 27 year woman, manipulated into sex with that woman, inpregnates that woman, is told to drop out of school and get a job, can’t get a job, is threatned to be abanonded yet again, forced into selling drugs, gets arrested, in the jail system, hurt, gets released and is dubed a felon forever (sorry for the run on sentence people). He is black too!!!. We all have varied stories, just like whites. When you guys mess up its so sad, don’t judge, he must have been abused and wahhhhh cry cry. When we do it’s in our blood???? What? We are human as well. We all have a story.
By the way this is from the fortune city website:
***** 84% of American killers are caucasian.
16% are black.******
Men make up at least 90% of the world wide total of serial killers.
65% of victims are female.
89% of victims are white.
44% of all killers start in their twenties.
26% start in their teens.
24% start in their thirties.
Out of all the killers, 86% are heterosexual.
Sounds like straight, white males in their twenties are wired to kill??? Thats what the stats say. Ummmmmmmm. Does this logic apply???
on November 18th, 2008 at 2:14 am
Johnathan check this out…whites commit violence too…I even footnoted it for ya stats and all:
From FBI.gov:
In 2007, the races of the 6,965 known hate crime offenders were as follows:
62.9 percent were white.
20.8 percent were black.
4.9 percent were groups made up of individuals of various races (multiple races, group).
1.0 percent were American Indian/Alaskan Native.
0.7 percent were Asian/Pacific Islander.
9.8 percent were unknown
According to Greek geographer Strabo: Irish Celts cannibalized their dead fathers and the men had sex with their mothers and female relatives. (Strabo, 1988. The Geography. IV (Horace Leonard Jones trans.), Cambridge: Harvard University: 5.4). Diodorous said they were drunken brutes who would insue viloence for no reason. (Diodorous Siculus, 1933. 26 (C.H. Oldfather trans.), Cambridge: Harvard University: 3), In the twelfth century: common for the kings of one Irish group to celebrate their coronations by having sexual intercourse with horses (Cahill, Thomas, 1995. How the Irish Saved Civilization. NY: Anchor/Doubleday: 12).
This is the heritage that you want to perserve??? UGH!!!!!
I don’t get this whole pride and saving ones race thing. You should be happy with who you are no matter what. Why does having white pride mean killing others? Separating yourself from those who don’t look the same. FEAR that you may be the weakest link? Just be a good freaking person!!!!
CDC Youth online:
Episodic heavy drinking (Had five or more drinks of alcohol in a row within a couple of hours on at least 1 day during the 30 days before the survey.)
Blacks 12.5 (11.0—14.2)%
Latinos 26.8 (23.5—30.3)%
Whites 29.8 (27.4—32.4)%
There are stats that show that all three races have their issues. This is just one that I pulled to show a huge difference in the numbers. No such thing as a master race. We are all human and suffer.
Look this stuff up and get educated.
on November 19th, 2008 at 3:09 am
Jonathan,..I must have over-read what Leeroy was saying. There are several messages of his here.
I am in no way, shape or form a racist of any race. I am all about unity. I just did not see that Leeroy wrote about “looking forward to the end of the white race.” I have always believed in the unity of mankind,..and my ways and beliefs reflect that.
And yes i do believe that any kind of racism sets the world back 100 yrs. There is nothing wrong with people meeting and taking pride in their culture,..people have a right to do that. But if David Duke’s meeting was about the continuation of spreading hate, what good does it do?
on November 19th, 2008 at 11:58 am
it so sad to hear and see people act the way that shows not only the ignorance but the lack of education. we are a nation of many and all those who hate -will eventually die because that what hate does it kills the human spirit and soul. WE are to witness those who are haters of free speech and democaracy in our great country. Obama won because he is a man of honor and WE the people voted him in office. The haters will contnue to hate and that all they can do with so much energy is to waste positve energy – GET a good life -your reign to hate is over!!!!!!!!
on November 19th, 2008 at 12:01 pm
it so sad to hear and see people act the way that shows not only the ignorance but the lack of education. we are a nation of many and all those who hate -will eventually die because that what hate does it kills the human spirit and soul. WE are to witness those who are haters of free speech and democaracy in our great country. Obama won because he is a man of honor and WE the people voted him in office. The haters will continue to hate and that all they can do with so much energy is to waste positve energy – GET a good life -your reign to hate is over!!!!!!!!
on November 25th, 2008 at 1:22 pm
Ajamarle,
You are a racist, a liar, and a moron. Your talk about negro inventors and your crime stats are from Bizarro World. (Since you, as per black supremacist fool stereotype, use the anachronism “caucasian” and deliberately use the wrong case, in order to insult whites, I will use the term, “negro.” Most whites don’t know what you and your fellow negro supremacists are up to, but I’m getting the word out.)
You say that “hate crime offenders” are overwhelmingly white? Nonsense on stilts. I report all the time on racial assaults and murders by negroes on whites and Asians. The authorities almost always lie, in denying that a racial attack committed by negroes against whites or Asians was a “hate crime.” And aside from the racist law enforcement practice, whereby predominantly white officers and prosecutors terrorize other whites via phony hate crime designations, a substantial portion of those “white” “hate crime” offenders aren’t white, but are mostly mestizo Hispanics who are counted as “white,” in order to make whites look even worse.
As for murder, you’re a bald-faced liar when you assert, with your idiotic stars, no less, “***** 84% of American killers are caucasian.” Between 1976 and 2005, 52.2 of murderers in the U.S. were negro, even though negroes were on average less than 12 percent of the population during that time; 45.8 percent were “white,” which includes Hispanics (i.e., the portion of actual white killers was under 40 percent), even though whites and Hispanics together then comprised over 80 percent of the population; and 2.0 percent of murderers were “other.”
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm
on November 26th, 2008 at 2:14 am
Mr KKK Nick in the sticks,
Please for crying out loud read all of the context you jackass befor you go calling me a racist (which did make me laugh) Did I not say that all races have their issues? When did I deny that blacks commit crimes? When did I ever call blacks the master race? Dont project your feelings about race onto me. As far as being a moron…Ive been called worse. The name calling gets us no where but I understand that its what your type resorts to. That 84%…was not for all murders. My error, it was for serial killers which I failed to note. My mention of that was to show that not all of one race is supreme and all have their good and bad people.Blacks make up most of the crime rate…whites make up most serial killers. Yes it is true that blacks do make up most of the crime stats…not denying that, the facts have always been there. I don’t stick up for wrong doers balck or white. When did I ever write that?
Too bad soo sad that we have yet another victim from the white race…now law inforcement is against you???? This falsehood of white victimology that you have is a joke. Usually used by those whites that want to blame races for their faliure to pass throught wide open doors. Dont project your personal inadequacy on blacks or law inforcement. You are not a victim, fool. I guess its harder to admit your privialge…then you would assume responsibilty for all of the racist crap that “you people” have done to everyone even your “own”. Look at you playing the race card. Prove that my info on black inventors is incorrect. Footnot something not from a racist site that says a black person have never invented anything that we use today. Or is it safer to say that “you all” have some sort of pathology so you cannot get credit for that stuff. You guys are so predictable. Im laughing in fear because this blog shows that whites like you create bull to justify hate crimes which as I footnoted whites to commit most of the time. Everyone knows that! Give me one instance when your race has ever worked against you with the law!!!!!
on November 27th, 2008 at 2:36 am
Ajamarx,
You do ramble, don’t you?
“You are not a victim, fool. I guess its harder to admit your privialge…”
What “privialge” could that possibly be? And where might those “wide open doors” be, given that they are open for illiterate racists like yourself, but closed to literate whites like yours truly.
“Prove that my info on black inventors is incorrect. Footnot something not from a racist site that says a black person have never invented anything that we use today.”
Ah, there’s my racist moron! I’m supposed to waste hours hunting down true information to disprove the racial fairy tale you are promoting, only so that you can denounce my sources as “racist”? In your eyes, any honest source about race is “racist.” How much are you going to pay me for my time? Besides which, your burden of proof is ridiculously one-sided. If I find a single item used today invented by a black you win? Are you stoned or stupid? Don’t bother; it was a rhetorical question.
That’s a real affirmative action standard you’re using there, pally.
“Im laughing in fear because this blog shows that whites like you create bull to justify hate crimes which as I footnoted whites to commit most of the time. Everyone knows that! Give me one instance when your race has ever worked against you with the law!!!!!”
Repeating your lies will not make them any more believable. BTW, take some English classes.
“Give me one instance when your race has ever worked against you with the law!!!!!”
“Disappearing” Urban Crime
http://www.vdare.com/stix/040526_crime.htm
on November 27th, 2008 at 11:38 pm
Mr. KKK NICK:
Pay you???? Funny..I would not even look at you. Its ironic that you would ask someone like me to pay YOU! What not making enough at your blue collar job?
I wont even look at your stats. The source is most likley from some racist psuedo white victim like you.
Im not trying to win with you. You started the attack, which was based on very little reason. I’m already a winner. I love my life. I am not you. I don’t know you. I live in reality. I don’t need to use opression and childlike nitpicking to prove a point.
Privilege..you want some proof of whit privlege?
Ok white devil (You wanted racism so there it goes. Funny that that was the first and only time that I have ever done that. You need to look up the true definition of racism before you go abusing it. )
Peggy McIntosh Prof. at Wellesley Collage
This essay is excerpted from Working Paper 189. “White Privilege and Male Privilege: A Personal Account of Coming To See Correspondences through Work in Women’s Studies” (1988)
Daily effects of white privilege
I decided to try to work on myself at least by identifying some of the daily effects of white privilege in my life. I have chosen those conditions that I think in my case attach somewhat more to skin-color privilege than to class, religion, ethnic status, or geographic location, though of course all these other factors are intricately intertwined. As far as I can tell, my African American coworkers, friends, and acquaintances with whom I come into daily or frequent contact in this particular time, place and time of work cannot count on most of these conditions.
1. I can if I wish arrange to be in the company of people of my race most of the time.
2. I can avoid spending time with people whom I was trained to mistrust and who have learned to mistrust my kind or me.
3. If I should need to move, I can be pretty sure of renting or purchasing housing in an area which I can afford and in which I would want to live.
4. I can be pretty sure that my neighbors in such a location will be neutral or pleasant to me.
5. I can go shopping alone most of the time, pretty well assured that I will not be followed or harassed.
6. I can turn on the television or open to the front page of the paper and see people of my race widely represented.
7. When I am told about our national heritage or about “civilization,” I am shown that people of my color made it what it is.
8. I can be sure that my children will be given curricular materials that testify to the existence of their race.
9. If I want to, I can be pretty sure of finding a publisher for this piece on white privilege.
10. I can be pretty sure of having my voice heard in a group in which I am the only member of my race.
11. I can be casual about whether or not to listen to another person’s voice in a group in which s/he is the only member of his/her race.
12. I can go into a music shop and count on finding the music of my race represented, into a supermarket and find the staple foods which fit with my cultural traditions, into a hairdresser’s shop and find someone who can cut my hair.
13. Whether I use checks, credit cards or cash, I can count on my skin color not to work against the appearance of financial reliability.
14. I can arrange to protect my children most of the time from people who might not like them.
15. I do not have to educate my children to be aware of systemic racism for their own daily physical protection.
16. I can be pretty sure that my children’s teachers and employers will tolerate them if they fit school and workplace norms; my chief worries about them do not concern others’ attitudes toward their race.
17. I can talk with my mouth full and not have people put this down to my color.
18. I can swear, or dress in second hand clothes, or not answer letters, without having people attribute these choices to the bad morals, the poverty or the illiteracy of my race.
19. I can speak in public to a powerful male group without putting my race on trial.
20. I can do well in a challenging situation without being called a credit to my race.
21. I am never asked to speak for all the people of my racial group.
22. I can remain oblivious of the language and customs of persons of color who constitute the world’s majority without feeling in my culture any penalty for such oblivion.
23. I can criticize our government and talk about how much I fear its policies and behavior without being seen as a cultural outsider.
24. I can be pretty sure that if I ask to talk to the “person in charge”, I will be facing a person of my race.
25. If a traffic cop pulls me over or if the IRS audits my tax return, I can be sure I haven’t been singled out because of my race.
26. I can easily buy posters, post-cards, picture books, greeting cards, dolls, toys and children’s magazines featuring people of my race.
27. I can go home from most meetings of organizations I belong to feeling somewhat tied in, rather than isolated, out-of-place, outnumbered, unheard, held at a distance or feared.
28. I can be pretty sure that an argument with a colleague of another race is more likely to jeopardize her/his chances for advancement than to jeopardize mine.
29. I can be pretty sure that if I argue for the promotion of a person of another race, or a program centering on race, this is not likely to cost me heavily within my present setting, even if my colleagues disagree with me.
30. If I declare there is a racial issue at hand, or there isn’t a racial issue at hand, my race will lend me more credibility for either position than a person of color will have.
31. I can choose to ignore developments in minority writing and minority activist programs, or disparage them, or learn from them, but in any case, I can find ways to be more or less protected from negative consequences of any of these choices.
32. My culture gives me little fear about ignoring the perspectives and powers of people of other races.
33. I am not made acutely aware that my shape, bearing or body odor will be taken as a reflection on my race.
34. I can worry about racism without being seen as self-interested or self-seeking.
35. I can take a job with an affirmative action employer without having my co-workers on the job suspect that I got it because of my race.
36. If my day, week or year is going badly, I need not ask of each negative episode or situation whether it had racial overtones.
37. I can be pretty sure of finding people who would be willing to talk with me and advise me about my next steps, professionally.
38. I can think over many options, social, political, imaginative or professional, without asking whether a person of my race would be accepted or allowed to do what I want to do.
39. I can be late to a meeting without having the lateness reflect on my race.
40. I can choose public accommodation without fearing that people of my race cannot get in or will be mistreated in the places I have chosen.
41. I can be sure that if I need legal or medical help, my race will not work against me.
42. I can arrange my activities so that I will never have to experience feelings of rejection owing to my race.
43. If I have low credibility as a leader I can be sure that my race is not the problem.
44. I can easily find academic courses and institutions which give attention only to people of my race.
45. I can expect figurative language and imagery in all of the arts to testify to experiences of my race.
46. I can chose blemish cover or bandages in “flesh” color and have them more or less match my skin.
47. I can travel alone or with my spouse without expecting embarrassment or hostility in those who deal with us.
48. I have no difficulty finding neighborhoods where people approve of our household.
49. My children are given texts and classes which implicitly support our kind of family unit and do not turn them against my choice of domestic partnership.
50. I will feel welcomed and “normal” in the usual walks of public life, institutional and social.
More rambling for you:
on November 28th, 2008 at 12:20 am
As Tim Wise says:
It’s about responsibility, not guilt.
Criminal justice data from the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration indicates that whites are equally or more likely than blacks or Latinos to use drugs. People of color (blacks and Latinos mostly) who comprise about 90 percent of the persons incarcerated for a drug possession offense. Despite the fact that white men are more likely to be caught with drugs in our car (on occasions when
searched), black men remain about four times more likely than white men to be searched in the first place, according to Justice Department findings. That’s privilege for whites.
Go to the website and check it out, I did. Mr Nazi.
I could sit here waste my time and give you endless examples of white privilage by whites.
I won’t.
Folks like you don’t change.
We can throw stats around to “win”.
I won’t because I know what you are trying to do.
We all know that black men make up most of the prison population.
Then what???
Do we ignore the stories behind how they got there?
I’m not pardoning the responsibility of the individual just because we are black.
So why are you not capable of admitting the advantages given to you from birth? Coward you are Nick. Don’t even start that “I grew up poor” junk. You only lack economic privilege. You still have better treatment in school and advancing at work to help you move up. Duh….
You will just continue to live with your eyes closed. Burn crosses, beat up “others”, name call, deny, blame and ignore history. Worst of all you will never be able to see past your opinions into another reality.
Im over you…go take a history or sociology class.