I hate to tell you this, but the Constitution is dead
as a doornail. It’s either the lefts tyranny or the rights,
one or the other. But then again, there is that something
else that defies either side. It’s called the National Socialist
idea as promoted by the National Alliance. It’s obvious
how you feel about Hitler, but we let’s deal with the facts.
Hitler was an enemy of Jewish Bolshevism, and if the west
had stayed out of Hitlers program , he would have destroyed the Soviet Union and no doubt would have
prevented the Chinese communist party from gaining power or at least them being able to hold on to it. He would have
prevented the subsequent Korean War, the Vietnam War,
not to mention the Cold War and the U.S. almost realizing
WWIII in 63 because of the Cuban crisis. In fact , Cuba
wouldn’t have survived without Soviet support. Hitler wanted
three main things.1 to remove the Jews and their marxism
from Germany.2. Destroy Jewish Bolshevism and the
Soviet Union which was the real threat to the world as we
now know, and 3. To provide sufficient living space for the
German people, somewhat along the lines of our own
founding fathers and early patriots through Manifest
Distiny and the removal of the Indians. Our winning WWII
is a direct result of the cultural marxism. open border
policies and the Internationalism we see today known as
the’ New World Order’. So say what you will about Adolf
Hitler and National Socialism, but it is an Americanized
version of the same thing thing we could use today.
Pacifism, fixations on civil rights, humanitarism, all are
designed to keep us from realizing what is really necessary in order to restore our national identity, that
being, of European stock, and true political, economic,
and social progress.. Our early patriots messed-up
not sending the Blacks back to Africa when they could
have easily and allowing the Jews to come here with
their politically correct marxist ideas of equality and
so forth. We need a reality based worldview and the
mentality to do whatever is necessary to restore the
whites back to at least their pre-1965 immigration
status where we at least made-up 90% of the population
and where not looking at becoming minorites in our\own nation. Our founding fathers would be rolling over in
their graves at the prospect of our nation becoming
an eventual third world nation populated by mostly non-
whites, think about it.

There are some parts of Germany where Hitler is quite despised still. The Mosel Region, for example. Hitler wanted to take that country and industrialize it, and move the people there to Western Russia (after invading it, of course). Lots of common people in the Mosel and Eifel regions – some of them might not have liked the idea of being moved. I lived near Trier for 3 years and heard this from the old timers.

I am glad the Hitler issue showed up, because it gives me a chance to address the one thing that I do fear going wrong with “the militia” and that is, it becoming a Freikorps. Google the term and you will see what I mean. The militia, as intended by the Founders, could never be true to the ideal and become something along the lines of a Freikorps in America.
Yet this “tool” is desired by both sides. Obama wants a 1.5 million man security force, likely fueled by ideals of progressive socialism as every organization takes concepts from those who found (or fund) it. However such a disgraceful treatment of civil liberties and the concepts against standing armies could not be countered rightly on Constitutional grounds…. so instead there could be a “other side of the coin” response where people will claim to be “conservative” and try their own large force. Likely trying to call themselves a militia. Such a force would no more be a real militia than Obama’s security force. Yet if the counter is founded or run suddenly by “disgruntled conservative veterans”, then it could become something of a freikorp, leaving America with the choice of living under tyranny of social progressive thus or under the tyranny of social conservative thugs. It’s still tyranny, and the end results will not account to anything good. The difference between the left and right in America today is much like the difference between Stalin and Hitler. Both tyrants, both murderous, and both wanted to win at all costs. Hitler murdered 10 million at the least, Stalin killed somewhere from 60 to 100 million.. The Nazis kept records during their systematic murdering while the Soviets simply forced people off their land and onto the highways to starve, so the numbers to compare with the two murder machines are not exact.

But it all comes down to murder, and it’s roughly 100 million murdered by their own governments in the 20th century. The worst part is that you cannot get good people to do this, unless you make them think it’s for the good, or necessary. This is why we see human rights violated in the name of human rights, discrimination in the name of tolerance, and theft from the state that claims to protect us from thieves.

I know many good patriots who, never having a friend in such people who drink the Koolaid of progressive idealogy, find no home in the fake conservatism either. Be rest assured that the most capable people I know have no interest in attacking anybody on behalf of some ideal or stated purpose of a movement. Liberty is their goal, but are not on a level of ignorance to be led to violence against others by simple claims of a change agent or provoker. Nobody can tell me “Them blacks are out to take away your freedom! Kill them!”. However if I am to be imprisoned for protesting against the unconstitutional policies of a black president and therefore my ideas labeled a “hate crime” for political expedience of silencing me, then things will not go well. There is nothing new going on here: labels of hate crime, racist, bigot, etc, will be used for political measures. People will claim to “feel threatened” by those who simply disagree with them – all with the intent of bringing SWAT teams down on dissenters. Just like old times.

It’s because there are few White Nationalist within
these wanni-be GI Joe militia groups that they’ll fail,
for the lack of a cohesive ideology. Simply having a gun
will not insure one knows how to use one, or when it’s
necessary to use it. One needs organization and
ideological training. Contrary to what the powers that
be would have our people think, Adolf Hitler actually
liberalized gun ownership and actually militarized the
German population so that most could carry weapons
and know how to use them. It was a very much part of
the Hitler Youth Organization to teach every young man
how to shoot and defend themselves.

You forget US vs Miller. (1939). That case never finished out.

Back in the day, townshipt maintained their own cannons too. That was way before the Dick Act.

Please check the history of the Second Amendment before you make assertions.

In the meantime, “trained by whome?” You ask.

Well there was the Civilian Marksmanship Program, and it still exists. You can actually order large surplus battle rifles and the US Government will mail them to your door. Even under Clinton they did that.

You can also look up the National Militia Standards – assembled by experienced veterans and operators. It also has a code of ethics that you will find interesting. You will also note there are no sections that mention anything about assassinations or blowing up buildings. (So don’t assume).

Now to answer your question regarding why there is only resistance when democrats are in power, it’s simple: you are seeing the false left-right paradyne in effect. George Bush was anti-gun and anti-freedom too. John McCain was no better. But the great game is to keep a two party duopoly in effect that only looks different on the surface to keep the sheep thinking their votes matter. You get a democrat in office, pisses everybody off, so they vote a republican in thinking now everything will be fixed. That as 2000. Now Bush spent 8 years driving the office like a stolen car, yet while Obama brings back Clinton retreads who the neocons love, everybody thinks they will get “change”.

Yes, people foolishly think that republicans are not out to disarm them or take away civil liberties. But people still think we have freedom just because the Constitution has not been officially burned (in ceremony no less) yet I know one man who was threatened with contempt of court for bringing up the Constitution in it, and two ladies who, on handing out pamphlets about jurist rights, were threatened with “jury tampering”. This was under the same regime that supposedly protects rights yet expanded the police state (Bush).

Now it’s the turn of all those young hopeful liberals and progressives to become just as disenchanted in their party as conservatives are in the republicans. But in 4 or 8 years, they will have a republican come forth to make everybody think they are getting change again, but will not.

Conservatives don’t conserve, liberals don’t liberate.

Eventually all those disenchanted, disenfranchised, and then wide awake people will be Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich supporters.

There is already a growing transpartisan movement towards freedom and it’s pro-gun too. Surely people of differing classes and colors uniting under a common banner that is NOT pro government would be enough to keep certain people from getting a good nights sleep.

“I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials.”
— George Mason, in Debates in Virginia Convention on Ratification of the Constitution, Elliot, Vol. 3, June 16, 1788

Those who worship governments as gods may not like this fact but the purpose of the Second Amendment was to enable the government to be overthrown should it become tyrannical. Governments have murdered more people than anything else over history so the people must have a way to prevent such crimes.

“Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretense, raised in the United States. A military force, at the command of Congress, can execute no laws, but such as the people perceive to be just and constitutional; for they will possess the power, and jealousy will instantly inspire the inclination, to resist the execution of a law which appears to them unjust and oppressive.”
–Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution (Philadelphia 1787).

And the SPLC is foolish in saying all militias and survivalists are racist white nationalists. Utterly false, they are a minority in militias and survivalist circles, though they, the dumbest people who call themselves militias, do provide plenty of material because of their foolishness. Taking these minorities and painting all militia and survivalist types as such is as much bigotry as the racists have.

Was it “funny” to be lied to and duped into an exaggerated warfare where Saddam Hussien had no WMDs??? Let alone, no ties to Al-Qaida terrorists??? Then that must`ve been a hilarious experience for you. The War on Terror and Bin Laden was in Afaghnistan, not Iraq.

“I am not white.”

You embrace an ideology that is embraced by White Supremacists, yet you claimed that you’re not “white” but perhaps you’re now ashamed to be “white”? You said on
2009-11-21;
“The spic and you pukes should not belong in this country”(not sure who you’re directing that comment to)
Since you spewed a racist epithet aimed at an unknown Hispanic/Latino and from what I can tell on this post thus far, there are no Hispanics placing any comments in this forum, because if there was, surely a Hispanic would place a comment on here to admonish your remarks etcetera. And there has been none. So if you are “not white” and I know you’re not Hispanic/Latino based on your racist remark, then I must assume you to be Black/African-American? If so, then what justifies you as a Black man that I as a Native American “should not be in this country”? This *is* my country, it was my land before your “Founding Fathers” and its “Constitution” have arrived. You were merely brought here by the slave trade. Another thing I like to point out is that your fellow White Supremacists friends claimed that 98 to 99% of the Black popular vote was in favor of Obama. I guess that makes you an outcast amongst your own people? But because of your racist views directed at the Hispanic/Latino population. You must have angered your fellow ex-comrades in the Law Enforcement and those in your neighborhood. Since non-Whites make up some *X* number of workers in the LEA on every level, all the way up to the White House including our President.
I hope you won’t face police brutality coming from the Hispanic Americans because of your racist views.

You claimed that you were in the militia. What militia were you a member of again? I’m trying to research one that recruits Black folks but did not find one, I did, however came across Whiite Extremists/Extreme Chistian Right groups were its members were comprised of White Supremacists, but did not find any Black militia groups other than Black Separatists such the New Black Panther Party, Nation of Islam(you claimed to be Christian so this one is out of the question, that also exempts Yaweh-Yaweh). The rest were street gangs unless you meant to be a gangbanger? Do you mind telling me which militia that was? If not, then you’re the greatest hoax since “the Piltdown Man”…..

Also in case you didn’t know this. The LEA(law enforcement agencies) does not recruit high school dropouts and individuals suffering from retardation and learning disabilities. You lacked basic reading comprehension, grammar, spelling, improper use of words by incorrect terms. I figured you dropped out in the 6th grade or less. You also harbor no historical knowledge regarding our American History.

“Hates the kkk their freedom of speech is protected like yours is”

Glad to hear that you hate your fellow White Supremacist friends but again, need I remind you that hatespeech isn’t exactly protected. I suggest you read the exact policies on the Freedom of Speech and how it is applied. Promoting violence and terror is not “protected” speech under current federal laws and guidelines.

Since you were purported to be a LEO, didn’t you know that the feds and the judge has the right to warrant a search and siezure if you are suspected to have ties to domestic terrorists groups or if your planning a “lone wolf” terror mission? Or even the dangerous WN elements? The Feds have that power but you as a former LEO did not fully understood this issue which is why I doubt your falsified claims as a LEO. Did you not remember that anti-Government militias are also anti-LEOs? LEOs have engaged in shootouts with militias and WNs over the years throughout the last century. Many LEOs have died as a result in those gunbattles with the militia.

FEMA is a federal agency working under the Homeland Security Secretary Micheal Chertoff. Come 2009, he will be replaced by Gov. Janet Napolitano(D-AZ) who is a Democrat working under Obama. But since you stated that you are anti-Obama, boy I sure hope you can find another job. Good luck with that “dawg”!!

“Some men look at constitutions with sanctimonious reverence, and deem them like the ark of the Covenant, too sacred to be touched. They ascribe to the men of the preceding age a wisdom more than human, and suppose what they did to be beyond amendment… laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind… as that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, institutions must advance also, to keep pace with the times…. We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which fitted him when a boy as civilized society to remain forever under the regimen of their barbarous ancestors.” THOMAS JEFFERSON

Furthermore, you having an armed group not regulated by the government implies that you see the government as hostile, and thus constitute a treasonous domestic terrorist group. Not that I am always opposed to such groups- but you should at least be honest.

There is no reason to think that militias like yours would be significantly better at doing anything than government agencies, and the idea of the UN invading America is laughable. America, on the UNSC, uses the UN to influence and oppress other nations, it is not a victim of the UN in any way shape or form. Plus, if they did invade for some reason, your militias would get plastered by several armies, instead of just one.

So there you have it. I really am done with this convo, for If you dont get it you dont get it simple as that. For any one else who does seem to get it I have a flyer which is our public information flyer we hand out at our fundraisers, bake sales, any where we go etc. If you want to take a look at it or are interested in taking part in our upcoming FTX where we are teaching family first aid skills, disaster prepardness etc, shoot me a email and I will get info out to you.

Hate speeches are not “protected” nor is it tolerated in free speech events. Which is why your KKK/WN cohorts tends to get the boot almost daily.

“your right to protection from searches and seizures,”

Once again, you imprudently think you are “protected” from unlawful “searched and seizures” if the U.S. Governemt deems you to be a dangerous psychotic WN. By the rule of law, they can warrant a search to rid your rights to keep arms if you posed harm to the U.S. Government and to the American citizens alike. And in your case, you shouldn’t be in possession of arms based on your low functioning understandings of the “Rights” granted therein.

“or maybe you want us troops living in your house because you have to provide them quater?”

When I meant “retarded” in my previous posts, I think that’s exactly what I meant in terms of your lowly concept. Or did you just come up with that concept?

“Or perhaps we all want to be the chuch of england?”

Speaking for myself, I personally want you and hacknuts like the WNs to go back to England or wherever they came. Because you’re a part of this Nation`s problem and not the solution.
And that would be–
“one less person to contend to repair our great nation.”
But in hindsight, I don’t think you have any idea what you’re talking about in terms of “repairing our Nation” when its folks like you who wish to wage war on the Federal Government and the American people. But if you want to “repair our nation” you simply need to respect all aspects of the laws in the books and respect the man who will be our President come 2009. I’m not implying that you ought to like the guy, I am merely saying what Morris Dees has said–
“You have the right to hate. I support that right. But you do not have to cross that line and hurt somebody”
Simply because that American does not agree to your low IQ`d fallacies and it also does not justify you taking up arms against the President-Elect and the United States Government.

And I’d like an answer to Geno’s point that for some reason, militia types find the need for resistance against the government when there is a democrat in power. You talk about this like it would be some kind of popular uprising, but in case you didn’t notice, a vast majority of Americans don’t seem to find their freedom so threatened. In fact, they voted for Obama.

Samuel Adams:
“If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsel or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands of those who feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you. May posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.”

It’s common for people lacking study in these matters to assume the meaning of “regulated” to mean “regulations” as in “rules”.

— Thomas Jefferson

“When you need help pray that I’m christian and man enough to reach out and help you.”

Seriously, you’re the last person I would ever ask for any help in this country, you have nothing that I want. But even if one were to seek help from someone, it surely won’t be coming from you nor that person would accept it. Certainly I won’t.

“keep believing what CNN tells you.”

The Dobsy Award winning Lou Dobbs is so full of that brown stuff, that anybody with a rationale mind knows it. Only xenophobes and other paranoid crackers would lap up anything he spat out, no matter how bogus and exaggerated his reports are. I’d wondered about the nuts who actually believe him than wonder about Lou Dobbs himself.

The Federal government has every right to ban and lock up all actively training militias as domestic terrorists. Aside from previous acts of violence that had ties to these groups and their conspiratorial ideology, these groups are conducting paramilitary training and could be logically viewed as potential domestic terrorists. Few countries in the world allow their citizens to conduct such training with the stated aim of using it against the establishment. The 2nd amendment ensures right to bear arms, but it says nothing about things like registration, and more importantly it does not grant the right to form anti-government paramilitary organizations. What part of “well-regulated militia” don’t you folks understand.

In the end, your half-baked interpretations of “original intent” will fall flat in court like so many arguments common to tax protesters and “sovereign citizens”. In the mean time, I predict a new wave of con men will arise in the militia movement, just like those that used to make fortunes selling bogus tax advice and snake oil like “pure trust” accounts. Due to militia types’ lack of any real legal knowledge, and their distrust of any establishment advice or sources(like the IRS), many people lost thousands if not tens of thousands of dollars to con-men who knew how to take advantage of the paranoid.

They are now committing federal crimes, they will lose everything. I do not think that most people;the overwhelming majority of people, are willing to lose everything. (Do they really want to leave their comfortable lifestyles to live up in the hills drinking water and eating squirrels?) So they need to relax and maybe they will enjoy maybe the best President the US ever had. They may come to love him and be glad he is our President. Just give it a chance.

The MISTAKE that is often made is to consider Militias as a separate entity from the body of the People. I am very weary of the “organized militia” concept. Primarily because THEY get penetrated by White Nationalists (WN) who eventually ruin every damn thing they touch! Not only do I find their thinking inappropriate for the present century (& just plain ridiculous) but they are very often extremely disloyal to their own pathology.

Anyone who has ever worked in a correctional environment knows that the “Aryans” are extremely quick to exploit their own – to such an extent that they are better called the “Heroin Brotherhood”, than the “Aryan Brotherhood”. No one who has ever sampled real life would EVER trust a “white nationalist”…It’s as simple as that.

That being said, the concept that a Militia is a white nationalist playground is only true in-so-far as they are allowed to exploit that venue. ANYONE with an once of sense would distance themselves from any WN in the ranks. They are there to exploit, to inform, to corrupt, & to aggrandize (themselves).
Many, many people make it a habit to walk the other way once the talk turns to “race issues”…. NOT BECAUSE THEY ARE SHEEP; BUT BECAUSE THEY ARE FREE THINKING INDIVIDUALS. THE MAJORITY IN THIS COUNTRY SIMPLY DON’T BELIEVE THE WN RHETORIC – AS IT DOESN’T MAKE SENSE & IT’S ESPOUSED BY THE LOWEST MESSENGERS!!!