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Dobbs Minimizes Impact of Hate Crimes, Bashes Immigrant Rights Groups

By Heidi Beirich on November 25, 2008 - 5:49 pm, Posted in Anti-Immigrant

Last night, CNN’s “Lou Dobbs Tonight” aired a segment criticizing the National Council of La Raza (NCLR) and the Mexican American Legal Defense and Education Fund (MALDEF) for holding a news conference earlier in the day calling attention to the link between anti-immigrant rhetoric and hate crimes against Latinos. The groups were reacting to the recent murder of Marcello Lucero, an Ecuadorian immigrant, who was fatally attacked in early November by seven high school students in Suffolk County, New York.

“Suffolk County is a particularly good example of elected officials stoking the fires of anti-immigrant sentiment,” NCLR head Janet Murguia said during the press conference. She spotlighted the anti-immigrant rhetoric of Suffolk County Executive Steve Levy, saying he had been “notably hard line against immigrants in his county.” Earlier, Levy stated that the Lucero murder would have been a “one-day story” if the media hadn’t chosen to hype it. Levy later apologized for the remark.

Dobbs denounced NCLR’s use of the Lucero murder to call attention to hate crimes. Dismissing concerns about anti-immigrant rhetoric leading to hate violence, Dobbs called the groups “advocates of open borders” and mocked them for being “long on rhetoric and absolutely, absolutely devoid of facts or respect for them.”

Dobbs, who has a long track record of defaming immigrants by linking them to crime, disease and other horrors, would probably like to pretend that immigrant bashing doesn’t lead to hate crimes. But the facts of the Lucero case show otherwise. The teens implicated in Lucero’s murder specifically declared that they were going to “go jump a Mexican” and went out hunting in the ethnically diverse village of Patchogue. Latinos in Suffolk County have long reported being threatened and physically harassed and there have been other highly publicized attacks there, including the near-beating death of two Mexican day laborers in 2001 and the burning of a Mexican family’s house in 2003.

Dobbs also took issue with the idea that hate crimes targeting Latinos are a problem. Dobbs’ report cited the FBI’s annual hate crimes statistics to make the point that hate crimes nationwide had dropped from about 7,700 in 2006 to 7,600 in 2007. Dobbs claimed that hate crimes in Suffolk County had declined under Levy.

But it is widely known that the FBI’s numbers severely undercount the extent of hate crimes in America. In fact, according to a 2005 Department of Justice study, there actually are about 191,000 per year—nearly 30 times the FBI’s numbers. Most hate crimes are not reported to police and many jurisdictions do not participate in the FBI’s voluntary hate crime reporting system. Hate crimes against undocumented immigrants are particularly underreported, because of an understandable reluctance to contact state officials.

And as limited as the FBI figures are, they show that hate crimes against Latinos are on the rise, having gone up by 40% since 2003. Dobbs left out that fact .

By diminishing the importance of hate crimes, Dobbs ignored the unique threat these crimes pose. The terroristic effect of hate crime creates fear and distrust along already fragile intergroup lines in a way that other crimes do not. When a black man is dragged to his death in Jasper, Texas, it instills terror in the entire black community.

Lou Dobbs, Broken Borders

This isn’t the first time Dobbs has had trouble with facts. In what has now become a rather infamous incident, in 2007 Dobbs relied on Madeleine Cosman, a woman who repeatedly ranted about Latino men raping boys, girls and nuns, to argue that immigrants were largely responsible for some 7,000 cases of leprosy that had been reported in the United States in a recent three-year period. The numbers were utterly false, resulting in a New York Times column that said Dobbs has “a somewhat flexible relationship with reality.”

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  • http://Buzzflash Hearmeout

    @ Geno,

    Wow, that is a long statement. Are you trying to audition to write a book? Usually People who Talk a lot and write a lot
    to make a point, have a very weak point. Get to the point.

  • GENO

    Cooper–
    “Could it be that you simply missed those stories or weren’t told about them?”

    Exactly. And here’s why;
    1.) Obviously, I’m no fan of that Janus-faced Lou Dobbs and I think you already know this.
    2.) I just happened to tune into CNN`s Lou Dobbs twice last week and there was nothing to the contrary on there other than the usual “Mexican Bashing” sentiments. Like I said before approximately 95% of the time he does that. Which is why I may have missed his reports of Illegal Aliens from Europe, South Africa, especially France or the Slavik for that matter. Something I like to hear more often. And to hear him give any reporting of Illegals from the countries I just noted is extremely vague. Then I guess that means you really have to be watching Lou Dobbs for the full hour everyday of the week?….
    Wow……..
    I didn’t know that you really enjoy watching Lou Dobbs THAT MUCH, don’t you?

    Cooper–
    “WHOA!! Something happened to your quote of my statement. It isn’t all as I typed it. Nothings wrong with that. I simply wanted to point out that I am not that bad at spelling.”

    Excuse me. Then pardon my French. The exact same thing can happen to you in foreign languages you know little or nothing about. But in reference to my “spellings”, I usually dash out what I type which may lead to natural typos. Unlike Sancho(he must be talking to himself) on here, I don’t loathe over a single sentence or paragraph for long periods to try and impress people with my English.

    Cooper–
    “Oh and I`ll speak in any ol` any I want. And thank you very much.”

    But speaking in your native French won’t garner you any responses from me. Naturally, I because I didn’t take any French lessons in H.S. But maybe from your fellow Frenchmen. (No pun intended for the French speakers.)

    Cooper–
    “Are you suggesting we ignore what’s happening because of the color of the skin, the nationalities, or something else the majority of illegal aliens involved?’

    No.
    As I have been saying above in my previous posts that there shall be equal reporting of illegal aliens *regardless* of “their skin color, or their nationalities”. Something that Lou Dobbs is very inept at doing so.

    Cooper–
    “IMO. Its not tiring to hear the effects of massive immigration to our country.”

    I didn’t say it was tiring to hear of the “effects”. But since you misunderstood my point and took my statements out of its context, I merely stated that it was tiring to hear the scathing false exaggerations by Lou Dobbs` frivolous reports on Hispanic Immigration. Its only propaganda that you loved to lap it up. His reports are not 100% legit. At least not to me. I only see him as a hype and nothing more.

    Cooper–
    “The American people deserve to know, regardless of who`ll makes it uncomfortable.”

    Yes they do.
    But surely not from Lou Dobbs if that’s what you’re implying. But in hindsight, its their Freedom of Choice in choosing who`ll they believe. And I know for a fact that the vast majority of Hispanics refuses acknowlege or even believing in anything Lou Dobbs has to say about them or the Hispanic immigration crisis. Personally, I don’t. And yes, there are better and legit immigration reports out there other than Lou Dobbs.

    Cooper–
    “The quotes used in reply to Sancho` s bunk were taken randomly from the comments above to prove that race has indeed been addressed by both “sides”.”

    Of course. Then again, why am I not surprised?

    Cooper–
    “To you but not to me. Now if only a small portion of illegal aliens were Latino/Hispanic but Dobbs, or anyone for that matter, still continue to focus on them the majority of the time,”

    Which is exactly why I found Lou Dobbs to be dull and boring. But if he would actually “focus” on European Illegals 50% of the time, maybe his ratings will go back up. Even if European Illegal Aliens are only a “small portion” of the immigration mess. He just might garner more praise on both left and right.

    Cooper–
    “I would’ve feel the same as you described.”

    But sadly, you don’t.

    Cooper–
    “However, I believe its only natural that the vast majority of reports regarding illegal immigration or illegal aliens including Latinos/Hispanics because they are the majority of illegal aliens in our country. Does that make sense?”

    No it doesn’t make sense to me to hear a prominent mass media spokeshole like Lou Dobbs who vehemently likes to bash Latino/Hispanic immigrants. And “naturally” I don’t agree with Dobbs, if that helps you understand my stance clearly.

    Cooper–
    “That depends on who you’re talking to. I supposed in some circles wanting Border Security is the same as being an xenophobic bigot.”

    (Then)

    “can get you called “a person who fears the brown skinned people.”

    Yes. As in the Nativist movement and the Minutement. But not the Border Patrol.
    We know the Border Patrol is a Federal Agency responsible for the enforcement of our Border Security and should not be ‘called persons who fears brown skinned people”.
    And you may not agree with me on this is that the majority of civilian anti-immigration forces are usually comprised of White Supremacists and “racists” alike, whereas the Border Patrol is not. It is a multi-racial law enforcement agency. Its something that I strongly support but not the Natavist movement.

    Cooper–
    “Thus its been my experience that those who pretend to use the term illegal alien is the same as Latino/Hispanic are Latino/Hispanic. Odd huh?”

    Yes mostly in the Natavist circles and they are usually White or the “Anglos” for the most part, unless if you care to cite a non-White organization herein.

    Cooper–
    “An that`s where you’re wrong.”

    Can you name a single instance in the WN movement where Latino/Hispanic immigration wasn’t a contributing factor in their extreminism? I don’t think you can. Which is why we have witnessed a surge of Latino/Hispanic hatecrime for the fiscal year of 2007.

  • Sancho

    GENO,
    First you write,

    “Au contrrair mon Fariare”
    Immediately afterwards, You write,
    Speak English please, thanks.

    “SACRE BLEU”
    Not only are you terrible at the English Language, but ALSO at your comical attempts at French!!!!!!!

    The proper writing is, oh what’s the use, YOU look it up!

    Did you say baseless statements, referring to Moi?
    If this isn’t an oxymoron, I don’t know what is.
    You think YOUR having problems comprehending?
    I bet you gave your Teachers a good run for their money!

  • Sancho

    GENO,

    My complete statement did not come out dated 5 DEC @ 4:04PM.

    The Olmec were TOTALLY wiped out.
    The Aztecs, Mayas and Incas did not become Empires by making nice with their neighbors. They did what all Conquerors do They Conquered, and held the land.
    Native American history is NOT limited to North American Tribes.

  • T. Cooper

    Geno said: “Certainly not by LoU Dobbs himself if you are referring to the media outlet.”

    Thanks for your reply, Geno. I will say that I, personally, have heard reports regarding illegal immigrants from the former Soviet Union, parts of the Middle East, and Asia on Lou Dobbs’ show. Could it be that you simply missed those stories or weren’t told about them?

    Geno said: ““Au Contrrair mon fariare!”

    Speak English please, thanks.”

    WHOA! Something happened in your quote of my statement. It isn’t at all as I typed it. Nothing wrong with that, I simply wanted to point out that I am not that bad at spelling. Oh, and I’ll speak any ol’ way I please, thank you very much. :)

    Geno said: “Despite the fact that “there are more of them”, as in your own words they “come in all shapes, colors and nationalities.” In hindsight, isn’t that a little tiring to be hearing about the Latino/Hispanic immirgants 95% of the time? Now that’s hypocritical in my mind.”

    Are you suggesting we ignore what’s happening because of the color of the skin, the nationality, or something else of the majority of illegal aliens involved? IMO, it is not tiring to hear the effects of massive illegal immigration to our country. The American people deserve to know, regardless of who it makes uncomfortable. I don’t see how anyone could advocate what amounts to sticking one’s head in the sand, which is what seems to be what you’re doing. If I’m wrong, please advise.

    Geno said: “I am against all *ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION* regardless of your skin color. How hard is that to figure out?”

    I don’t recall suggesting anything to the contrary to you or about you, Geno. The quotes used in reply to Sancho’s bunk were taken randomly from the comments above to prove that race had, indeed, been addressed here by both “sides.”

    Geno said: “But focusing on Latino/Hispanics the vast majority of time seems to be a little trite.”

    To you, but not to me. Now, if only a small portion of illegal aliens were Latino/Hispanic but Dobbs, or anyone for that matter, still continued to focus on them the majority of the time, I would feel the same as you’ve described. However, I believe it is only natural that the majority of reports regarding illegal immigration and illegal aliens include Latinos/Hispanics because they are the majority of illegal aliens in our country. Does that not make sense?

    Geno said: “And by virtue of Border Security, you are not considered an “extremist” for wanting the borders secured and comprehensive immirgation reform.”

    It depends on who you’re talking to, I suppose. In some circles wanting Border Security is the same as being a xenophobic bigot. Many times, simply suggesting our government should actually enforce our immigration laws, which hasn’t been done since they were enacted, before declaring them “broken” can get you called “a person who fears brown-skinned people!”

    Thus far it’s been my experience that those who want to pretend the term illegal alien is the same as Latino/Hispanic are Latinos and Hispanics. Odd, huh?

    Geno said: “That lable is strictly applied to individuals harboring extreme rhetorics which is commonly associated with hategroups much like the WN.”

    And that’s where you’re wrong. An example: A local pro-border security group went to protest the Mexican government’s meddling in US affairs at the Mexican Consulate. The Mexican Consul had been attending public hearings at the state house advocating drivers licenses for illegal aliens, giving interviews to reporters about peoples “fears” of Mexicans, etc. This was in middle America fly-over country, BTW. The group sent a press release to local news media regarding the upcoming protest of the Mexican government’s meddling. The ADL listed the local group’s small event on their national website as an “extremist event.” I feel the Mexican Consul’s office had a hand in giving the ADL a heads up, but that’s just a gut feeling, nothing more.

    That kind of stuff happens all the time, just like the SPLC trying to paint anyone and everyone associated with the large national immigration control groups as racists. It’s absurd. These days “hategroups,” may cover geniune hategroups, but more and more, it entails anyone who says or does something the SPLC, ADL, etc. do not like.

  • GENO

    “Ever hear of the HOLOCAUST?”

    Yeah why? Or are you trying to state that I’m a holocaust denier? Then you must be moronic to assume that.

    “How about how Nomandy got it`s name?”

    What does that have to do with you as a Mexican? And your point?
    (Nevermind I probably wouldn`t care anyway)

    “WWI WWII Napoleon Roman Empire?”

    Once again, I’m not following. So what’s the connection between the World Wars, Napoleon and Roman Empire regarding the subject matter of Lou Dobbs?
    Whatever your point is, I thought I made it clear in my previous post that I felt you are not worthy of addressing because I re-quote what “T. Cooper” has said earlier–
    ” Half the time you make no sense.”

  • Sancho

    GENO,
    Off the wall statements?
    Give your fictional historical account of European history dated 5 DEC @ 3:48 PM, to a real History teacher, preferably not one from whatever planet you are in.

    Then, give them my response dated 5 DEC @ 4:04 PM. Now be honest, if the History Teacher sides with me, take him/her out to a nice dinner, wine included ( not cheap table ), If not then, send me their name and where they teach.

  • Sancho

    T.Cooper,

    You know what, between, your short minded retention, GENO’S total lack of History,and Zeeks complete ignorance, it’s getting to be just a little too much. I’m ether gong to tie one hand to my foot ( to make this a fair and even debate ), or simply take my knowledgeable, intellectual, and tutoring elsewhere.

    Cooper, Pay attention and follow the instructions CORRECTLY, this time.
    First, Have someone else read to you my 3 DEC @11:29
    in case they need to explain it to you. Do NOT ask GENO or Zeek or you will forever find yourselves in the TWILIGHT ZONE!
    Second, Note that your statement dated 5 DEC 3:34 mentioning, Latinos,none white, Hispanics/Latino, Hispanic, Mestizos, are all EXACTLY MY POINT!

    Now, as for the very last one that you mentioned. The part that states ” Europeans out go back to your white land”.
    My statement was dated, what, huh, AND the other, come on now, you can do it. Get a calculator if you need to.
    Finally, I stand corrected. I should not have called you a LIAR, and will refrain from doing so. From now on,I will now call you an IGNORANT LIAR.

  • GENO

    “Au Contrrair mon fariare!”

    Speak English please, thanks.
    Hence, allow me to enumerate some of the flaws into your argument:

    “When Illegal Aliens from European countries are found in large numbers in ICE bust or some other event. It is reported.’

    Certainly not by LoU Dobbs himself if you are referring to the media outlet. 95% of his immigration reports are on Latinos/Hispanics maybe a little bit of Chinese. Regardless of how much you would love to believe him. But then again, if you actually believe his fatuous reports are said facts, then why has other mainstream news outlets(and there were several of them and even independent A.P.s forget the partisan politics of it) questioned his dubious reports??? Despite the fact that “there are more of them”, as in your own words they “come in all shapes, colors and nationalities.” In hindsight, isn’t that a little tiring to be hearing about the Latino/Hispanic immirgants 95% of the time?
    Now that’s hypocritical in my mind.

    Then you go on to address this “Sancho” ese to point out his “lying” assertions by quoting one of my quotes?
    Sorry, but I’m not “Sancho” and I don’t share his somewhat baseless statements nor do I agree with anything he writes which are unusually off the wall. Nevertheless, he doesn’t fully represent the Hispanic viewpoint as a whole even if he is “Hispanic” himself.
    I am against all *ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION* regardless of your skin color. How hard is that to figure out? But focusing on Latino/Hispanics the vast majority of time seems to be a little trite. Especialy since Dobbs reports intends to cite fear and hatred amongst the Hispanic community by exaggeration. Which is why his ratings are dropping like dead flies. And by virtue of Border Security, you are not considered an “extremist” for wanting the borders secured and comprehensive immirgation reform. That lable is strictly applied to individuals harboring extreme rhetorics which is commonly associated with hategroups much like the WN.

  • http://Buzzflash Sancho

    GENO,

    Ever hear of the HOLOCAUST?
    How about how Normandy got it’s name?
    WWI, WWII, Napoleon, Roman Empire?

    Your History is as good as your English. Since when does one start a sentence with the word AND?

    You should aways practice being silent, and give the impression of Intelligence, then to speak up and remove all doubt. Or if you if you put your foot in your mouth, take it out and not put the other one in, capiech!

  • http://Buzzflash Sancho

    T.Cooper,

    It’s not that I make no sense. It’s that you have no sense!

  • GENO

    I guess one way to help deter the flood of Mexicano Invasion(or “Illegal Aliens”) is to either re-post the National Guard Troops at the border or at least boost the number of Border Patrol Units. Especially in light of all the bloodshed where Mexicanos are still killing Mexicanos in a narco-drug war near our borders. This will hinder the number of border jumpers, unless if they can come here legally and must not have a criminal record and/or ties to street gangs or cartels alike.

    “Additionally, do you think “Native” Americans treated each other with respect and dignity?”

    Actually they did. In fact, more so than their Eurpean counterparts. For one, they constantly traded with their enemies.
    2.) They didn’t choose to kill off an entire tribe completely as in “GENO”cide.
    3.) Raiding parties where they steal each other horses was more like a sport competition rather than waging an all out warfare as the White Man sees it.
    4.) Unlike the Europeans, they didn’t fight each other for control of land or religious persecution. They *mainly* fought for self preservation unless otherwise noted. But at last, half of the history taught by Whites are distorted, changed, and nebulous at best.

  • http://Buzzflash Sancho

    No way Zeek,

    That is way too humane.

    Native Americans, respect and dignity, fought with each other, OK, you got me there.
    Unlike that Indian, Barbarian, Savage, you know, the one they called HITLER, what a MONSTER, the gassing, the ovens, the starvation’s, the gnashing of teeth, yep some nibbled on their own children, your right.
    Those godless savages continue today, to yank their own children from the womb of a Mother, to the tune of over a MILLION per year, but then again, they have a nice, and respectable word for it, it’s called ABORTION!

    Zeek, Schooling and learning not to good in Appalachia,huh?

  • T. Cooper

    Sancho said: “But, if you feel uncomfortable with me pointing out your lack of knowledge of the subject matter, while you ignore the facts of history, That’s your problem, not mine.”

    The only one you’re impressing here is yourself, Sancho. Half the time you make no sense.

  • T. Cooper

    Angel said: “.. .so it’s everyone”

    You’re absolutely right, Angel. There are extremists on both sides of this issue.

  • T. Cooper

    Sancho said: “nowhere in any of the article, nor responses, exist you claim of mentioning other RACES, which makes YOU Cooper the LIAR!.”

    Really? Let’s take a look at the responses here, shall we?

    “the “Latinos” in, e.g., Los Angeles”
    “would not happen if non whites”
    “describes his fallacious reports on anything regarding the Hispanic/Latino immigrants”
    “his wife is also “Hispanic”
    “his mixed-race children aka “Mestizos”
    “i agree lets close the borders and kick all the europeans out go back to your white land”

    And there are many more examples I will not take the time to point out. Who is the liar? Look in a mirror for the answer. Thanks.

  • Jonathan

    Sanchito,

    Maybe to simplify things, we should mimic Mexican immigration policy and treat illegal immigrants like the Mexicans do?

    Additionally, do you think “Native” American treated each other with respect and dignity? They fought with, killed, sacrificed and even nibbled each other.

  • http://Buzzflash Sancho

    IN SUMMARY: Thais is how the game is played.

    First, After Scrrrrreeeamming persecution, and fleeing many other lands, go over to someone else’s. If they welcome you, give them blankets with SMALPOX, kill their Buffalo ( to starve them), make treaties with them (and break every one of them, so what, their friendly ) , while at it, start pushing, and pushing them back. Create many RESERVATIONS, WHERE THEY WILL REMAIN FOREVER.

    Oh, it gets even better my friend!
    Second, While doing the above ( even tho, you are busy ), you can shorten your tasks, and busy schedule by, kidnapping other people from, another land ( brilliant ). If they do not cooperate, beat , rape, and lynch them for over 300 years, until they get with the program.

    Third, You should be EXTREMLY wealthy by now, beyond your wildest dreams, and the envy of all!

    Now go get on a high horse of righteousness, and at the first sign of any of their descendants trying to cross over back into their lands, and complaints of discrimination, with a loud voice, SSSSRREEEAAAMMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, ILLEGAL ALIENS, ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS, AFFIRMATIVE ACTION, UNFAIR ,UNFAIR WE ARE A NATION OF LAWS, GO BACK TO WHER YOU CAME FROM, THATS NOT RIGHT, THATS CHEATING, THATS PREFERENTIAL,STOP, STOP!!!!!!

    THERE IS JUST ONE SMALL, AND INSIGNIFICANT PROBLEM, AND YOU CAN JUST IGNORRE IT, IF YOU WISH.

    For what does it profit a man if he should gain the whole world, and loose his soul.

  • E.S.

    Sometimes i think if there were no organizations like SPLC, the voices of many people would not be heard. As I’ve noticed there are several people on the blogs here who object to the organization and immigration. Since I’ve signed up here there have been many issues brought to my attention that i wouldn’t have heard otherwise in the media. I think its vital whatever your race to know that there are threats & murders due to hate & discrimination,..because the same thing can happen to you.

  • zach

    i agree lets close the borders and kick all the europeans out go back to your white land

  • David Roberts

    I think the SPLC is a hate group. It must take a great deal of hate for them to flagrantly lie about good people like Lou Dobbs and to use lies to smear any American that speaks out against illegal immigration. Fighting the KKK was one thing, but the SPLC has damaged their credibility and picked up a new host of opposition by taking such unpopular stances as smear merchant liars on behalf of illegal aliens.

  • http://Buzzflash Sancho

    Step one,Read the title at the top of the page.
    Step two, Read the first paragraph, AGAIN.
    Once you memory has been refreshed, Also, note that nowhere in any of the article, nor responses, exist you claim of mentioning other RACES, which makes YOU Cooper the LIAR!. But, if you feel uncomfortable with me pointing out your lack of knowledge of the subject matter, while you ignore the facts of history, That’s your problem, not mine.

    Everyone is entitled to there own opinion, but not to the creation of their own facts, or history.

  • T. Cooper

    Geno said: “Which is exactly why I like to bash Lou Dobbs because, he rarely discusses “illegal aliens” from European countries, mainly from Eastern Europe.”

    Au contraire mon fraire! When illegal aliens from European countries are found in large numbers in ICE busts or some other event, it is reported. The reason we hear more about Hispanics/Latinos in ANY reporting (not just Dobbs’) regarding illegal immigration is because there are far more of them than any other kind and it shows in cities and towns throughout our nation.