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Dobbs Minimizes Impact of Hate Crimes, Bashes Immigrant Rights Groups
Last night, CNN’s “Lou Dobbs Tonight” aired a segment criticizing the National Council of La Raza (NCLR) and the Mexican American Legal Defense and Education Fund (MALDEF) for holding a news conference earlier in the day calling attention to the link between anti-immigrant rhetoric and hate crimes against Latinos. The groups were reacting to the recent murder of Marcello Lucero, an Ecuadorian immigrant, who was fatally attacked in early November by seven high school students in Suffolk County, New York.
“Suffolk County is a particularly good example of elected officials stoking the fires of anti-immigrant sentiment,” NCLR head Janet Murguia said during the press conference. She spotlighted the anti-immigrant rhetoric of Suffolk County Executive Steve Levy, saying he had been “notably hard line against immigrants in his county.” Earlier, Levy stated that the Lucero murder would have been a “one-day story” if the media hadn’t chosen to hype it. Levy later apologized for the remark.
Dobbs denounced NCLR’s use of the Lucero murder to call attention to hate crimes. Dismissing concerns about anti-immigrant rhetoric leading to hate violence, Dobbs called the groups “advocates of open borders” and mocked them for being “long on rhetoric and absolutely, absolutely devoid of facts or respect for them.”
Dobbs, who has a long track record of defaming immigrants by linking them to crime, disease and other horrors, would probably like to pretend that immigrant bashing doesn’t lead to hate crimes. But the facts of the Lucero case show otherwise. The teens implicated in Lucero’s murder specifically declared that they were going to “go jump a Mexican” and went out hunting in the ethnically diverse village of Patchogue. Latinos in Suffolk County have long reported being threatened and physically harassed and there have been other highly publicized attacks there, including the near-beating death of two Mexican day laborers in 2001 and the burning of a Mexican family’s house in 2003.
Dobbs also took issue with the idea that hate crimes targeting Latinos are a problem. Dobbs’ report cited the FBI’s annual hate crimes statistics to make the point that hate crimes nationwide had dropped from about 7,700 in 2006 to 7,600 in 2007. Dobbs claimed that hate crimes in Suffolk County had declined under Levy.
But it is widely known that the FBI’s numbers severely undercount the extent of hate crimes in America. In fact, according to a 2005 Department of Justice study, there actually are about 191,000 per year—nearly 30 times the FBI’s numbers. Most hate crimes are not reported to police and many jurisdictions do not participate in the FBI’s voluntary hate crime reporting system. Hate crimes against undocumented immigrants are particularly underreported, because of an understandable reluctance to contact state officials.
And as limited as the FBI figures are, they show that hate crimes against Latinos are on the rise, having gone up by 40% since 2003. Dobbs left out that fact .
By diminishing the importance of hate crimes, Dobbs ignored the unique threat these crimes pose. The terroristic effect of hate crime creates fear and distrust along already fragile intergroup lines in a way that other crimes do not. When a black man is dragged to his death in Jasper, Texas, it instills terror in the entire black community.
This isn’t the first time Dobbs has had trouble with facts. In what has now become a rather infamous incident, in 2007 Dobbs relied on Madeleine Cosman, a woman who repeatedly ranted about Latino men raping boys, girls and nuns, to argue that immigrants were largely responsible for some 7,000 cases of leprosy that had been reported in the United States in a recent three-year period. The numbers were utterly false, resulting in a New York Times column that said Dobbs has “a somewhat flexible relationship with reality.”
on November 26th, 2008 at 8:00 am
Maybe illegal should simply stay out of the USA to avoid all this strife – we don’t need them; they are a burden.
Punish the employers of illegals too!
PS:
Has anyone how biased the SPLC is by virtually never mentioning “hate” crimes against White people?
on November 26th, 2008 at 10:37 am
I disagree. The SPLC has identified “The Nation of Islam” & The “Jewish Defense League” as Hate Groups.
on November 26th, 2008 at 11:56 am
It is sad to think that someones life is seen as a burden. Regardless of his or her status in our country, no one has the right to murder someone else just becuase of the color of their skin.
on November 27th, 2008 at 12:51 pm
Maybe if the illegal aliens were so “valuable” you’d think they’d help improve Mexico by staying there.
Yes, the “Latinos” in, e.g., Los Angeles should stop murdering Blacks there just because they are Black.
on November 28th, 2008 at 9:39 am
These kinds of things would not happen if non whites were not increasing crime in our towns and cities and turning our once safe areas into crapholes that are uninhabitable for whites to live in.
on November 28th, 2008 at 3:41 pm
Ryan J. Murdough,
These kinds of things would not happen in a racially homogeneous society.
on November 28th, 2008 at 4:16 pm
That’s right, who does Lou Dobbs think he is? The only defensible kind of hate crime is like the one in Jena, Louisiana, where those six Black civil rights icons gave that redneck cracker what he had coming! Thank God the SPLC, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and the King family were here to save those heroic kids from that racist district attorney:(
on November 28th, 2008 at 7:09 pm
“Absoulutly, absolutly devoid of facts and lack of respect for them.”–Lou Dobbs
I figured the nut was talking about about himself? It certainly describes his fallacious reports on anything regarding the Hispanic/Latino immigrants. Which was why the mainstream news (ie 60 mins w/ Leslie Stahl, NYT, Washington Post among others) have questioned his reports and dared him to cite his sources of infos and he did not, could not and would not do so. Especially on his dubious reporting about the Leprosy numbers. Which was laughable.
on November 29th, 2008 at 8:34 am
The never ending circle of racism feeding racists and racists feeding racism.
on November 29th, 2008 at 1:17 pm
Let’s not be so harsh on Lou, after all, he and his suporters caused Hispanics to rally together, united for the first time, as never before. As a result Republicans who had just started to enjoy the Hispanic vote, found themselves abandoned, with Obama the total benefactor. Lou and HIS SUPORTERS have opened up their Pandora’s box and forever changed history.
Thanks Lou, How do you like Hispanics now?
on November 29th, 2008 at 3:02 pm
“Thanks Lou, how do you like Hispanics now?’
That’s a good question. But a relevant one at last, consider the fact that his wife is also “Hispanic”(legal or illegal, I’m not sure what her status quo is). So I assume he likes only his wife and his mixed-race children aka “Mestizos” but he continues to admonish the entire Hispanic populace regardless if you’re legal or not. Many of his attacks are on Hispanic Americans such as the leaders of the NCLR and MALDEF who are for the most part: activists, lawyers and civil rights, and law abiding people.
Illegal Aliens do not have the knowledge, the means nor the resources to run a legitimate organization inside the U.S. so he goes after Hispanic Americans such as yourself. Part of his agenda is to instill fear and paranoia into the masses of the easily gullible “Anglos/Anglo-Saxons”(the Gringos) of the WN movement. And it pays off well…..
Which is why you’re seeing an increased Hatecrimes and violence on the Latino/Hispanic population according to the FBI/DOJ.
on November 29th, 2008 at 5:42 pm
Maybe if the illegal “Hispanics” would stay at home all of these problems wouldn’t happen in the first place.
GENO,
You just like to demonize White people. If you were worried about violence, your time would be better spent on message boards discussing friction between Blacks and Hispanics. Here’s an example:
“LOS ANGELES, Jan. 16 — The Latino gang members were looking for a black person, any black person, to shoot, the police said, and they found one. Cheryl Green, perched near her scooter chatting with friends, was shot dead in a spray of bullets that left several other young people injured.”
on November 29th, 2008 at 9:45 pm
Lou Dobbs is a hateful, incompassionate racist! He needs to be fired from CNN. He is so negative and so cynical that it is sickening. I wish he would go away and not show his evil face spewing out venom against Mexican immigrants. Matter of fact, if he wants to get technical, he is an illegal immigrant.
on November 29th, 2008 at 10:36 pm
I want to say that talking about people like Lou Dobbs is a waste of breath but, sadly, hate speech really does lead to hate crimes.
People who rant for days about a “racially homogenous society” have forgotten their history…this isn’t your land. In fact, the Mexican people have been here longer than you. Don’t forget that.
Just because you believe in “protecting the border” (whatever that means) doesn’t mean that we are all human and have the right to life. No one is a burden to society and the second we forget that is when fear seems to take over. Maybe people who feel that Lou Dobbs has a point should take a second and think about why they’re so hateful.
on November 30th, 2008 at 3:52 am
Undocumented workers have the majority of support from all the other Nationalities and Races.of Hispanics. Hispanic agenda has also created a even larger fear upon the racist supporters of Lou. Now because of their actions, that have backfired, there is a Black Man in the WHITE House, how terrifying it must be for them. That’ two things for them to worry about. As for the FBI statistics, that is a double edge sword also, as more and more Americans are also retiring in Mexico, after discovering that they can not afford to in the US. They too are vulnerable.
on November 30th, 2008 at 1:53 pm
@ Johnathan,
1) Illegal Hispanics? They did not cross the border, the border crossed them, or did your Teachers not teach you proper History?
2) Latino gang members? There are idiots on all sides, but , it doesn’t change the fact that without the Majority of OVERWHELMING HISPANIC VOTE ( over 67 Percent ) there would not be today a President Elect OBAMA, Case closed, or do you want to go to when a Black man was dragged and killed in Texas by Whites?
on November 30th, 2008 at 6:33 pm
They want diversity and coexistence while they destroy you.
on December 1st, 2008 at 2:51 am
Lou Dobbs has to continue spewing vitroil against illegal immigrants because he has little else as subject matter for his show. This man has been doing this for at least two years now. And what has it gotten him? Nothing. His ratings are still poor and the issue didn’t even make a blip on the political radar screen during the election.
on December 1st, 2008 at 9:52 am
‘Maybe if the illegal “Hispanics” would stay home, all of these problems wouldn’t happened in the first place.”
Actually those problems have been around since the birth of the KKK in the 19th century. But maybe if the White Supremacists would have not created such hate groups, perhaps all these problems would not have happened in the first place.
“You just like to demonize White people.’
The general White populace are not White Supremacists. In fact, half of my comrades and networking pals are “White”. They are just not into the WN movement much like yourself. So your false assumptions are only contradictory. As a matter of fact, I support border enforcement and I have applauded Gov. Janet Napolitano, the only Democratic figure in the states bordering Mexico, who have fought Micheal Chertoff to keep the National Guard troops posted at the border in AZ. Whereas, a California Republican(GOP) Arnold Swarzenegger has not.
Also since when did you start to care so much about Blacks in Los Angeles? The last time I checked in previous posts, you were denigrating and “demonizing” Black men for fallaciously raping White women. Also, that supposed “geno”cidal terror by Latino gangbangers on Blacks is over 2 years old. Did you not forget that a coalition of LEA(law enforcement agencies) has rounded up masses of foreign born gangmembers and still continues to this day??? Which is also why you’ve seen significant decline in gangster violence in the fiscal year of 2008 than the previous years….
on December 1st, 2008 at 4:05 pm
this country was built on immigration. Everyone here (except for Native people….although they migrated here too thousands and thousands of years ago) is from an immigrant background, even if you and your family were born here.
70 years ago people were spewing hatred toward Japanese people because of WWII (lets not forget that we put Japanese people in concetration camps in California).
100 years ago people were spewing hatred toward Italian, Irish, and Polish immigrants. These groups are considered ‘White’ today, but 100 years ago they were hated by the nationalist majority as well.
Hatred toward the Black community has been ongoign forever.
And, today, we spew hatred toward Latinos and Middle Easterners.
As already mentioned in comments above, the Latino community has been here forever, and has suffered under racism and hate crimes forever (Zoot suit riots…hello!!! where do you think that song came from??).
Also, if you hate immigration so much, why don’t you look into the impacts of NAFTA (the North American Free Trade Assn) and other free trade agreements that are demolishing parts of the economy that people who migrate to the US depend on–for example, do soem research into the gutting of the agricultural industry in Mexico, which leaves millions of people jobless. And then there is a demand in the US within our booming agricultural industry for low wage labor. DUHH!!! OF COURSE that is goign to pull people into this country, and the people who are looking for work to put food in their bellies probably dont’ give a s*** as to whether they are legal or not!
Being ‘legal’ is a status! You are not born illegal! How is it that the rhetoric we use toward immigrants and being ‘illegal’ is along the same hateful lines of words we use to denigrate other minority communities??? To change this whole legal/illegal dialogue, all we have to do is create immigration policy that is fair, and reflects the realities of what is going on here in the US in terms of labor demands and what is going on abroad in country from which people come to the US illegally.
we need to REFORM immigration and our trade laws, not hate the people whose cross national movements are products of these faulty policies.
hate is not a way to live. neither is white supremacy. and for all you “American Nationalists” out there, the nation of America is BUILT ON IMMIGRATION!!!! How can you possibly ignore/forget this fact???!
And, ‘American’ is NOT a race! it is a status–you have an American passport/citizenship.
Also, please don’t forget that WHITE PEOPLE TOOK OVER THIS LAND FROM THE NATIVE AMERICANS BEFORE AMERICA WAS EVEN A COUNTRY!!! Parts of California, New Mexico, Colorado, Arizona, Texas, the southwest in general were all part of MEXICO, and got taken by the US during the Mexican-American war.
It is a crime to forget history! Look up the facts!! Don’t hate! Life is too short!!!
on December 1st, 2008 at 4:08 pm
i shouldn’t say that people probably don’t don’t give a s*** about their status, becasue i think they would much prefer to be here legally, so they don’t have to put up with hateful crap. Also, if you are here illegally, regardless of your contributions to the economy, you have no rights, and live in perpetual fear of the fact that you will be kicked out of the country, a fact that is often abused by employers.
Immigration and the laws around it in this country are a total and complete MESS. They need to be fixed REALISTICALLY, and not based on hate and fear.
check out this site: truthinimmigration.org
it gives good facts about Truth in Immigration.
on December 1st, 2008 at 5:14 pm
Hello Y’all,
As I’ve said, if illegals would stay in Mexico (and other places) it would really save everyone a lot of trouble.
I propose that we could redirect some of the foreign aid aways from AIDS to education. We could have a Mexican “Just Say No” campaign teaching the good folks there to say “no” to illegal entry in to the United States of America. Think of the benefits:
- More jobs for US citizens and legals.
- Less crowding.
- Less stigma for legal Latinos.
- Black people wouldn’t kill them.
- They wouldn’t kill Black people.
- No exposure to “White Supremacism”
I like it! :)
on December 1st, 2008 at 5:47 pm
oh and last thing, NAFTA = north american free trade agreement, not association. TYPO!!!!
on December 1st, 2008 at 8:44 pm
@ Johnathan,
Look Zeek, if is wishful thinking, cause it’s not going to happen!
1) Hispanics are having the most babies, legal and
undocumented, all Brown, Black and sorry to inform
Y’all, Blond Blue Eyed one too.
2) Second place is the Asians, our cousins, and you
bess have their money when they come a calling.
3) Black people, Why you so scared of them Boy.
They like a good ruckus too, but in the end Hispanics
helped them get Obama in. They both cool with it.
Why don’t you take your six pack, put on your silly white hood, and go back to your trailer. Meantime, Jose and Willie will take out the white trash for Y’all, OK
on December 2nd, 2008 at 9:32 am
‘Its a crime to forget history!”
And what would one be charged with for not learning “history”? Realistically, its not a “crime” to “forget history”, that would merely be called ignorance or uneducated. If you’re speaking about American history in general, well many illegal aliens harbor no knowledge in the history about the U.S. They could not even name our first U.S. president or cite the first war between foreign powers fighting for control of my land. So its not just the White Supremacists who lacked historical knowledge, but illegal aliens do as well, because they lack decent education in their own countries before arriving here, which is why they are called “unskilled laborers”. And yet, the White Man`s greedy big corporations and CEOs use them to their own advantage. Americans should come first.
on December 2nd, 2008 at 12:25 pm
@ GENO,
There are 1.2 M Retired Americans living in Mexico. Most of them have supposedly had a good education,, so how come they don’t know who the first Mexican president was either? Add them to your list of ignorant While at it why is it that Mexican students, and others from Many other countries are above Americans in education, while most American College students can’t find China on a map?
Senator, Yes SENATOR McCain, wanted to close down the border between Pakistan and Iraq, to keep the insurgent out. He also keeps referring to the Czech Republic as Czecholsolvakia, explain that? Must Not have
had a good and decent education where he was educated.
on December 2nd, 2008 at 12:47 pm
Sanchito,
You sound like you are a Hispanic Supremacist. Don’t you think you should worry about getting Mexico under control first before drooling over American Lebensraum?
on December 2nd, 2008 at 1:52 pm
SPLC = anti-white racists. They have yet to help white males that are victims from black crime.
on December 2nd, 2008 at 2:23 pm
Sancho,
The “Americans” down there are of *retirement* age. Its not like they are seeking employment as of the millions of illegals here who are of the working age. Those “retired” Americans in Mexico are living in their latter days(you know, the golden age) and they could careless about Mexico`s somewhat brutal history. Like the old adage goes–”you can’t teach an old dog new tricks.” As for the rest of your comments makes no rationale sense and logically, I am not sure what you mean in terms of John McCain`s education background. Simply put it, if the guy wasn’t so educated, then why is it that he was able to served the Senate for 26 years? Let alone, campaigning for the U.S. Presidency?
on December 2nd, 2008 at 2:34 pm
And Obama said he campaigned in 57 states and that his uncle liberated Auschwitz.
on December 2nd, 2008 at 3:19 pm
Here are the results of the National Geographic Geographic Illiteracy survey:
National Geographic commissioned the Roper survey to test the geographic knowledge of 18- to 24-year-olds in Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, Mexico, Sweden, Great Britain, and the United States.
http://www.nationalgeographic.com/geosurvey2002/
Interesting. Swedes, Germans and Italians did the best of the countries.
on December 2nd, 2008 at 3:24 pm
Thats it, just bash Lou Dobbs for being a racist! Thats a real easy moronic thing to do! Yet it wasn’t his falt that the illegal alien came here in the first place! It wasn’t his falt that he may have worked here illegally either! Not to mention he may have used a false I.D. or stolen Social Security number to work here! Funny how this racist S.O.B.Dobbs, has a wife and children that just happen to be hispanic themselves! So much for those false stupid charges after all! Right Jannet, from THE RACE or THE PEOPLE!
on December 2nd, 2008 at 3:58 pm
Also F.Y.I., Pakistan does not share a “border” with Iraq. And “insurgents” in Iraq mainly come from Iran and Syria.
on December 2nd, 2008 at 4:38 pm
I am horrified by the racism that is sweeping the United States. As someone else said, we are all immigrants unless we are Native Americans. We cannot continue to hate those who are not like we are. It is splitting a country apart that needs to come together and work for the good of us all. Many of us are suffering with the economic crisis. Many are suffering with health issues and improper insurance. Many need jobs. Those who are not in as much difficulty as others need to find ways to reach out to those who need us. We are all people! Under the skin we all have the same kind of heart. Use it! Stop bigotry.
on December 2nd, 2008 at 9:00 pm
@Johnatan
Look Zeek,
Just because Mexico is out of control with,
1) Housing meltdown
2) Banking meltdown
3) Market meltdown
4) Vanished 401K’s
5) GM,Ford,Chrysler
6) Two wars, and a third to follow
7) Owe China TRILLIONS
Wall street and it’s Government committing the biggest
robbery in the history of MEXICO upon it’ Citizens,
and taking another 700 BILLION for robbing them in the
first place and on and on and on.
One day, not only Mexico, but others too, will, look north for good, honest, intelligent, judgement and hopefully learn by the example that America has set.
Obama and 57 states, Like J Leno would say, EXACTLY.
Oh and speaking of Leno, GENO would be a good candidate for Jay’s, Jaywalking, with his “FYI, Pakistan does not share a border with Iraq”. He is oh soooooo slow and doesent get it. EXACTLY, EXACTLY. Help him Zeek!
As for Mexico’s Brutal History, GENO,
You are so right on.
Mexico having stolen all the land from the Indians, Purposely giving them blankets with smallpox, terrible Holocaust. Even now they are still in reservations
Bringing all those African souls and enslaving them for over 300 yrs!, Merciless!
You got me there GENO, I just hope that if there really is a GOD, that he has mercy on those brutal Mexicans.Oh, Goodness you think there may Really be a HELL?
on December 2nd, 2008 at 9:24 pm
Thats true we are all immigrants, yet most of us didn’t come as illegal aliens,using false I.D.s and or Stolen Social Security numbers either! In case you have forgoten that is a federal crime, isn’t it?
on December 2nd, 2008 at 9:33 pm
Geno: you made my point for me! Its much easyer for a terrorist or criminal to just walk over our borders today then it ever was in the past! And that is just insane in a time of war on terrorism!
on December 2nd, 2008 at 9:45 pm
Your article links an SPLC article regarding Madeline Cosman’s “incorrect numbers” wherein it is stated that Ms. Cosman provided no support for her statement regarding the increase in leprosy cases in the US. The SPLC article, in fact, leads the reader to believe Ms. Cosman pulled the number out of thin air.
In reality, the number came from the NY Times, as noted in Cosman’s footnotes. http://query.nytimes.com/gst/f.....A9659C8B63 “While there were some 900 recorded cases in the United States 40 years ago, today more than 7,000 people have leprosy, or Hansen’s disease, as it is now called. ”And those are the ones we know about,” said Dr. William Levis, attending physician at Bellevue Hospital’s Hansen’s Disease Clinic. ”There are probably many, many more.” ”
Apparently, all that needs to be done to be labled an extremist, bigot, or racist by the SPLC is to say something with which the SPLC disagrees.
on December 2nd, 2008 at 10:02 pm
Geno said: “…. consider the fact that his wife is also “Hispanic”(legal or illegal, I’m not sure what her status quo is). So I assume he likes only his wife and his mixed-race children aka “Mestizos” but he continues to admonish the entire Hispanic….”
Sancho said: “Hispanics are having the most babies, legal and undocumented, all Brown, Black and sorry to inform
Y’all, Blond Blue Eyed one too.
2) Second place is the Asians, our cousins, and you
bess have their money when they come a calling.
3) Black people, Why you so scared of them Boy.”
While they denounce Lou Dobbs’ alleged “racism.” Why is it the ones who scream “raaaaaaaaacist” the loudest are always the ones bringing up and discussing RACE? ILLEGAL is not a race, people, and those are the folks – ILLEGAL ALIENS – Lou Dobbs discusses. The fact is that they – ILLEGAL aliens – come in all shapes, colors and nationalities even though the SPLC, La Raza and others like to pretend otherwise. They foment the idea that the term “illegal alien” is interchangeable with Latino/Hispanic.
on December 2nd, 2008 at 10:11 pm
Thank you Lou Dobbs for you outstanding Combat service while serving in our military (US Military). Your hate for all Hispanics has and will continue to light a fire with your crowd the KKK and the Nazi’s in America. I will never address you as Mr. Dobbs, so I will call you Dobbs from now on. Dobbs, could you show us some documentation that you are a real American? Did your family come from Europe through a Port or did they enter America on a boat at night? Dobbs, You are not a reporter, you are a trouble maker who will run like a bunny… CNN should be ashamed of itself for even giving you employment. Dobbs you are easy to read, you make money at the expense of honorable Hispanos who have fought in combat for our country (USA) and its Constitution. Dobbs you are a runner and hide behind a flag pin. Hey Dobbs, for your information, my family arrived in New Spain in 1603, some 70 years before the Mayflower landed in Plymouth. I am an open book. Eli Chavez, Retired DEA Special Agent, Former CIA Case Officer and Paramilitary Case Officer, U.S. Army Special Forces and 82nd Airborne Paratrooper
on December 2nd, 2008 at 10:19 pm
Attention: The SPLC routinely covers anti-White hate groups: Just last issue, the cover story was on a radical branch of the “Hebrew Israelite” movement, which is very similar to the old saw of “White Devil” racism. The reason they cover white supremacist groups is because they’re are substantially more of them as opposed to others. Two issues ago the cover story discussed Armenian genocide denial, which has nothing to do with white people whatsoever.
Ruth Sklar: Right on. I really wish the people railing against immigrants would take a few moments to think of them as human beings, and consider the reasons for what they do. It would, hopefully, change a lot of minds.
on December 3rd, 2008 at 2:12 am
“Native” Americans are immigrants too. Do you think they spontaneously evolved from microbes on American soil?
I’m horrified at how good people are demonized by the open-borders bigots simply for suggesting that illegal aliens should be kept out of the USA.
Many are suffering from the influx of illegals. Job and health care issues would be much better without them.
on December 3rd, 2008 at 10:40 am
Sancho
I now pronounce you as the biggest retard on this forum. Good job.
As retarded as you are, here is the answer to the countries that borders with Pakistan:
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What.....d_Pakistan
But since you don’t make any logically sense into your lame assinine arguments, I figured its pointless to debate you on anything. And I would be wasting my time reading your low functioning nonsense and immaturities of name calling(which are usually reserved for retards). I won’t bother to read nor address your next post because you are as in your own words–
“soooooo slow and doesn’t get it.”
Like Jonathan said earlier, perhaps you should go back to Mexico and fix up your own country so you can make it a better place for your own people so they don’t have to flood our cities standing around street corners looking for jobs strictly reserved for Americans and *LEGAL* workers.
on December 3rd, 2008 at 11:02 am
Sean says: “The reason they cover white supremacist groups is because they’re are substantially more of them as opposed to others.”
We’re supposed to believe anyone against illegal immigration, like Dobbs, is an anti-Hispanic/Latino racist simply because they are the majority of illegal aliens coming to the US. Yet we give the SPLC a pass for focusing on one race in their “reporting” because there are allegedly more of them? That is hypocritical at its best.
Did anyone ever stop to think that the subject of illegal immigration cannot be addressed without discussing/mentioning Hispanics more by virtue of the fact that they are the largest population of illegal aliens in the US?
on December 3rd, 2008 at 11:18 am
Sean said: “Ruth Sklar: Right on. I really wish the people railing against immigrants would take a few moments to think of them as human beings, and consider the reasons for what they do. It would, hopefully, change a lot of minds.”
This statement points to a twisted view of anyone against illegal immigration. This effectively paints anyone against ILLEGAL immigration as racists incapable of seeing illegal aliens as human. Being against illegal immigration and amnesty is in NO WAY eqiuvalent to thinking illegal aliens are animals or subhuman. It is intellectually dishonest to suggest that is the case, yet it is done repeatedly by the SPLC, other ethnocentric organizations, and open borders proponents. Shame on you all.
on December 3rd, 2008 at 11:29 am
@ Johnathan
Hey Zeek,
Native Americans, include Incas, Mayas, and AZTEC’S DUH!, and were all here FIRST. Many suffered from the influx of Europeans too! Many lost their livelihood,civilizations, and lives to those European newcomers and this after they WECOMED them in as brothers, and what was the thanks given? They too in retrospect would have been better served without them,as history has shown and will apparently continue to.
T. Cooper, In case you haven’t noticed, or just plain short minded, ti’s your side that ONLY happen to mention Hispanics when it comes to undocumented persons. Strange how NOBODY on the CAUCASIAN side NEVER, EVER mentions, ILLEGAL, IRISH, ITALIAN,ISRAELI, POLISH, RUSSIAN, or any other members of the Caucasian family, They to are getting deported, WHY? no mention of any of them, where is Lou Dobbs, and your SCRRRRREMING indignation?
on December 3rd, 2008 at 12:24 pm
@GENO,
Mama Mia, your really are a no very Al Dente are you?
Listen up Compare, cause I m a only going to explain this a to you ( The only one that didn’t get it ) only one a time,OK!, Here goes, now paya ATTENTION!
In response to your 2 DEC 08, 9:32 AM statement ( go back an a read it). Where you stated that ” but illegal Aliens do as well because they lack decent education. You can a see it? OK, Knowa, Then I responded 2 DEC 12:25 PM ( this is a where you a gota losta, it’s a tricky for you ). ” Senator ,Yes SENATOR McCain wanted to close down the border between Pakistan and Iraq to keep the insurgents out”. Yes, yes, I openly admit saying it! But, let the record reflect that ( ladies and Gentlemen of the jury )
that I was pointing out that ( quica hida your face) HE, A SEATOR, running for PRESIDENT of The UNITED STATES of AMERICA, did not even know, that Pakistan and Iraq DO NOT SHARE a BORDER! Also I mentioned the Czech Republic and Checholslovakia, and there are others too.
Now goa to your room you dmba sona of a no good, stopa calling people names, and noa spaghetti for you Pendejo!
I ‘ma soorry everyone, Junior, is a RETARD, Pleasea excuse a him, he nota so bad, hes as smarta as Senator McCain. Maybe he too becoma President onea day, No?
on December 3rd, 2008 at 3:22 pm
“While they denounce Lou Dobbs “racism”. Why is it they are the ones screaming “raaaaaacist” the loudest are always the ones bringing up and discussing RACE?”
Probably because “racism” is alive and well in this Nation. Look up “Sancho” as an example besides Lou Dobbs. Also another thing I like to point out is: Why the hell is the average joes in this forum tend to think these critical issues are simply a “Left” and “Right” argument???
e.g.; if you are an American much like myself and you are against “the influx of illegal aliens” from down south or else where for that matter. You are regarded as “racist” by what the Natavists love to deemed you as “Open Borders Crowd”? And if you opposed the idealogical views of the anti-immigration forces which are usually comprised of White Nationalists, you are deemed to be an “Open Borders Advocate” or what they like to call an “Illegal Alien Supporter” in the anti-immigration movement. These nebulous logics signifies the narrow-mindness of both the “Left” and “Right” platform. I am not alone in this as a non-White American who wants our borders secured, immigration reform, the path to legal citizenship status from which the process can take up to 10 years more or less, learning English before becoming a U.S. Citizen(something that Sancho lacks copiously) Many non-White Americans including African-Americans, Asian-Americans, Native Hawaiians/Pacific Islanders, Native Americans, and even Hispanic Americans want our borders secured and the illegal immigration problem resolved. White Americans are not the only ones affected by the influx of illegal immirgants. Its not just a “White” and “Brown” issue as in “Left” and “Right”.
“ILLEGAL is not a race,”
Seriously, I could care less of what you want to call them, but its title(status quo) remains the same if you are not here legally and for a valid purpose. “Hispanic” itself is not a race….
“comes in all shapes, colors, and nationalities.”
Which is exactly why I like to bash Lou Dobbs because, he rarely discusses “illegal aliens” from European countries, mainly from Eastern Europe.
on December 3rd, 2008 at 4:19 pm
Sancho said: “T. Cooper, In case you haven’t noticed, or just plain short minded, ti’s your side that ONLY happen to mention Hispanics when it comes to undocumented persons.”
You’re absolutely wrong, Sancho. Whenever anyone speaks out against illegal immigration and/or amnesty, whether on national television or in their local papers, blogs or comment boards, they are immediately hounded as racist, anti-brown-skinned-people by, oddly enough, well-funded Hispanic/Latino organizations, immigrant “rights” activists, other organizations whose livelihoods come depend on portraying other people as racists, and their supporters. All one needs to do is make statements against illegal immigration and amnesty, without addressing race in any fashion, for this to occur. If you haven’t seen this happen, I daresay it’s because you have closed your eyes to it.
Dobbs has reported on ICE actions against illegal aliens from Russia, China, etc., and their employers when those stories have made national news; however, he never receives credit for reporting it. Further, the governments of Russia, China, etc. aren’t bemoaning the US’ ‘racism’ when it comes to our immigration laws. Those kinds of statements routinely come from Mexico, however! Were other countries meddling in our immigration business as much as Mexico, you would hear more of those other countries discussed in the context of illegal immigration as is Mexico. But that isn’t happening.
When other non-Latino, vociferous ethnocentric groups begin outrageously labeling all Americans who want our borders secured as ‘racists,’ as do LaRaza, MALDEF, LULAC and others, you’ll see more lashing out at them by people like Dobbs and border security organizations. Labeling Americans racists for wanting security happens to some degree with Arab ethnocentric groups like CAIR, but not on the same level as the aforementioned groups.
Sancho said: “Strange how NOBODY on the CAUCASIAN side NEVER, EVER mentions, ILLEGAL, IRISH, ITALIAN,ISRAELI, POLISH, RUSSIAN, or any other members of the Caucasian family,…”
Again, you’re wrong. Those things ARE discussed when they make the news, it’s just that they hardly ever make the news! If and when Irish, Italian, Israelis, etc., start coming in the same numbers (or even close to it) of the illegal aliens coming in from south of the border, you WILL start seeing/hearing the same remarks directed at them.
What do you mean “Caucasian” side? I’ve never heard of that. If you mean to infer that only white people want our borders secured, I will say, without qualifying it in any way, you are a LIAR.
on December 3rd, 2008 at 5:34 pm
Hey this guy called Wilfredo Rodriguez-Padilla from http://www.examiner.com wrote this story called “The Rise of Hate” and he went today to the Lou Dobbs show and it wasn’t pretty. Lou was ruthless and the guy was actually nice. He was talking about the whole new generation becoming more intolerant and I agree! I know about that because I’m a Mexican immigrant in a US High School. But you know… some Mexicans also do the same thing.. .so it’s everyone. Anyway.. he also bashed the Southern Poverty Law Center and honestly. I just think this debate is going to get out of hand.
on December 3rd, 2008 at 6:30 pm
Geno said: “Which is exactly why I like to bash Lou Dobbs because, he rarely discusses “illegal aliens” from European countries, mainly from Eastern Europe.”
Au contraire mon fraire! When illegal aliens from European countries are found in large numbers in ICE busts or some other event, it is reported. The reason we hear more about Hispanics/Latinos in ANY reporting (not just Dobbs’) regarding illegal immigration is because there are far more of them than any other kind and it shows in cities and towns throughout our nation.
on December 3rd, 2008 at 6:31 pm
Step one,Read the title at the top of the page.
Step two, Read the first paragraph, AGAIN.
Once you memory has been refreshed, Also, note that nowhere in any of the article, nor responses, exist you claim of mentioning other RACES, which makes YOU Cooper the LIAR!. But, if you feel uncomfortable with me pointing out your lack of knowledge of the subject matter, while you ignore the facts of history, That’s your problem, not mine.
Everyone is entitled to there own opinion, but not to the creation of their own facts, or history.
on December 4th, 2008 at 10:36 am
I think the SPLC is a hate group. It must take a great deal of hate for them to flagrantly lie about good people like Lou Dobbs and to use lies to smear any American that speaks out against illegal immigration. Fighting the KKK was one thing, but the SPLC has damaged their credibility and picked up a new host of opposition by taking such unpopular stances as smear merchant liars on behalf of illegal aliens.
on December 4th, 2008 at 3:19 pm
i agree lets close the borders and kick all the europeans out go back to your white land
on December 4th, 2008 at 6:31 pm
Sometimes i think if there were no organizations like SPLC, the voices of many people would not be heard. As I’ve noticed there are several people on the blogs here who object to the organization and immigration. Since I’ve signed up here there have been many issues brought to my attention that i wouldn’t have heard otherwise in the media. I think its vital whatever your race to know that there are threats & murders due to hate & discrimination,..because the same thing can happen to you.
on December 5th, 2008 at 11:41 am
IN SUMMARY: Thais is how the game is played.
First, After Scrrrrreeeamming persecution, and fleeing many other lands, go over to someone else’s. If they welcome you, give them blankets with SMALPOX, kill their Buffalo ( to starve them), make treaties with them (and break every one of them, so what, their friendly ) , while at it, start pushing, and pushing them back. Create many RESERVATIONS, WHERE THEY WILL REMAIN FOREVER.
Oh, it gets even better my friend!
Second, While doing the above ( even tho, you are busy ), you can shorten your tasks, and busy schedule by, kidnapping other people from, another land ( brilliant ). If they do not cooperate, beat , rape, and lynch them for over 300 years, until they get with the program.
Third, You should be EXTREMLY wealthy by now, beyond your wildest dreams, and the envy of all!
Now go get on a high horse of righteousness, and at the first sign of any of their descendants trying to cross over back into their lands, and complaints of discrimination, with a loud voice, SSSSRREEEAAAMMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, ILLEGAL ALIENS, ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS, AFFIRMATIVE ACTION, UNFAIR ,UNFAIR WE ARE A NATION OF LAWS, GO BACK TO WHER YOU CAME FROM, THATS NOT RIGHT, THATS CHEATING, THATS PREFERENTIAL,STOP, STOP!!!!!!
THERE IS JUST ONE SMALL, AND INSIGNIFICANT PROBLEM, AND YOU CAN JUST IGNORRE IT, IF YOU WISH.
For what does it profit a man if he should gain the whole world, and loose his soul.
on December 5th, 2008 at 2:10 pm
Sanchito,
Maybe to simplify things, we should mimic Mexican immigration policy and treat illegal immigrants like the Mexicans do?
Additionally, do you think “Native” American treated each other with respect and dignity? They fought with, killed, sacrificed and even nibbled each other.
on December 5th, 2008 at 3:34 pm
Sancho said: “nowhere in any of the article, nor responses, exist you claim of mentioning other RACES, which makes YOU Cooper the LIAR!.”
Really? Let’s take a look at the responses here, shall we?
“the “Latinos” in, e.g., Los Angeles”
“would not happen if non whites”
“describes his fallacious reports on anything regarding the Hispanic/Latino immigrants”
“his wife is also “Hispanic”
“his mixed-race children aka “Mestizos”
“i agree lets close the borders and kick all the europeans out go back to your white land”
And there are many more examples I will not take the time to point out. Who is the liar? Look in a mirror for the answer. Thanks.
on December 5th, 2008 at 3:36 pm
Angel said: “.. .so it’s everyone”
You’re absolutely right, Angel. There are extremists on both sides of this issue.
on December 5th, 2008 at 3:38 pm
Sancho said: “But, if you feel uncomfortable with me pointing out your lack of knowledge of the subject matter, while you ignore the facts of history, That’s your problem, not mine.”
The only one you’re impressing here is yourself, Sancho. Half the time you make no sense.
on December 5th, 2008 at 3:48 pm
No way Zeek,
That is way too humane.
Native Americans, respect and dignity, fought with each other, OK, you got me there.
Unlike that Indian, Barbarian, Savage, you know, the one they called HITLER, what a MONSTER, the gassing, the ovens, the starvation’s, the gnashing of teeth, yep some nibbled on their own children, your right.
Those godless savages continue today, to yank their own children from the womb of a Mother, to the tune of over a MILLION per year, but then again, they have a nice, and respectable word for it, it’s called ABORTION!
Zeek, Schooling and learning not to good in Appalachia,huh?
on December 5th, 2008 at 3:48 pm
I guess one way to help deter the flood of Mexicano Invasion(or “Illegal Aliens”) is to either re-post the National Guard Troops at the border or at least boost the number of Border Patrol Units. Especially in light of all the bloodshed where Mexicanos are still killing Mexicanos in a narco-drug war near our borders. This will hinder the number of border jumpers, unless if they can come here legally and must not have a criminal record and/or ties to street gangs or cartels alike.
“Additionally, do you think “Native” Americans treated each other with respect and dignity?”
Actually they did. In fact, more so than their Eurpean counterparts. For one, they constantly traded with their enemies.
2.) They didn’t choose to kill off an entire tribe completely as in “GENO”cide.
3.) Raiding parties where they steal each other horses was more like a sport competition rather than waging an all out warfare as the White Man sees it.
4.) Unlike the Europeans, they didn’t fight each other for control of land or religious persecution. They *mainly* fought for self preservation unless otherwise noted. But at last, half of the history taught by Whites are distorted, changed, and nebulous at best.
on December 5th, 2008 at 3:52 pm
T.Cooper,
It’s not that I make no sense. It’s that you have no sense!
on December 5th, 2008 at 4:04 pm
GENO,
Ever hear of the HOLOCAUST?
How about how Normandy got it’s name?
WWI, WWII, Napoleon, Roman Empire?
Your History is as good as your English. Since when does one start a sentence with the word AND?
You should aways practice being silent, and give the impression of Intelligence, then to speak up and remove all doubt. Or if you if you put your foot in your mouth, take it out and not put the other one in, capiech!
on December 5th, 2008 at 4:55 pm
“Au Contrrair mon fariare!”
Speak English please, thanks.
Hence, allow me to enumerate some of the flaws into your argument:
“When Illegal Aliens from European countries are found in large numbers in ICE bust or some other event. It is reported.’
Certainly not by LoU Dobbs himself if you are referring to the media outlet. 95% of his immigration reports are on Latinos/Hispanics maybe a little bit of Chinese. Regardless of how much you would love to believe him. But then again, if you actually believe his fatuous reports are said facts, then why has other mainstream news outlets(and there were several of them and even independent A.P.s forget the partisan politics of it) questioned his dubious reports??? Despite the fact that “there are more of them”, as in your own words they “come in all shapes, colors and nationalities.” In hindsight, isn’t that a little tiring to be hearing about the Latino/Hispanic immirgants 95% of the time?
Now that’s hypocritical in my mind.
Then you go on to address this “Sancho” ese to point out his “lying” assertions by quoting one of my quotes?
Sorry, but I’m not “Sancho” and I don’t share his somewhat baseless statements nor do I agree with anything he writes which are unusually off the wall. Nevertheless, he doesn’t fully represent the Hispanic viewpoint as a whole even if he is “Hispanic” himself.
I am against all *ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION* regardless of your skin color. How hard is that to figure out? But focusing on Latino/Hispanics the vast majority of time seems to be a little trite. Especialy since Dobbs reports intends to cite fear and hatred amongst the Hispanic community by exaggeration. Which is why his ratings are dropping like dead flies. And by virtue of Border Security, you are not considered an “extremist” for wanting the borders secured and comprehensive immirgation reform. That lable is strictly applied to individuals harboring extreme rhetorics which is commonly associated with hategroups much like the WN.
on December 5th, 2008 at 5:44 pm
T.Cooper,
You know what, between, your short minded retention, GENO’S total lack of History,and Zeeks complete ignorance, it’s getting to be just a little too much. I’m ether gong to tie one hand to my foot ( to make this a fair and even debate ), or simply take my knowledgeable, intellectual, and tutoring elsewhere.
Cooper, Pay attention and follow the instructions CORRECTLY, this time.
First, Have someone else read to you my 3 DEC @11:29
in case they need to explain it to you. Do NOT ask GENO or Zeek or you will forever find yourselves in the TWILIGHT ZONE!
Second, Note that your statement dated 5 DEC 3:34 mentioning, Latinos,none white, Hispanics/Latino, Hispanic, Mestizos, are all EXACTLY MY POINT!
Now, as for the very last one that you mentioned. The part that states ” Europeans out go back to your white land”.
My statement was dated, what, huh, AND the other, come on now, you can do it. Get a calculator if you need to.
Finally, I stand corrected. I should not have called you a LIAR, and will refrain from doing so. From now on,I will now call you an IGNORANT LIAR.
on December 5th, 2008 at 6:16 pm
GENO,
Off the wall statements?
Give your fictional historical account of European history dated 5 DEC @ 3:48 PM, to a real History teacher, preferably not one from whatever planet you are in.
Then, give them my response dated 5 DEC @ 4:04 PM. Now be honest, if the History Teacher sides with me, take him/her out to a nice dinner, wine included ( not cheap table ), If not then, send me their name and where they teach.
on December 5th, 2008 at 6:37 pm
“Ever hear of the HOLOCAUST?”
Yeah why? Or are you trying to state that I’m a holocaust denier? Then you must be moronic to assume that.
“How about how Nomandy got it`s name?”
What does that have to do with you as a Mexican? And your point?
(Nevermind I probably wouldn`t care anyway)
“WWI WWII Napoleon Roman Empire?”
Once again, I’m not following. So what’s the connection between the World Wars, Napoleon and Roman Empire regarding the subject matter of Lou Dobbs?
Whatever your point is, I thought I made it clear in my previous post that I felt you are not worthy of addressing because I re-quote what “T. Cooper” has said earlier–
” Half the time you make no sense.”
on December 5th, 2008 at 8:04 pm
Geno said: “Certainly not by LoU Dobbs himself if you are referring to the media outlet.”
Thanks for your reply, Geno. I will say that I, personally, have heard reports regarding illegal immigrants from the former Soviet Union, parts of the Middle East, and Asia on Lou Dobbs’ show. Could it be that you simply missed those stories or weren’t told about them?
Geno said: ““Au Contrrair mon fariare!”
Speak English please, thanks.”
WHOA! Something happened in your quote of my statement. It isn’t at all as I typed it. Nothing wrong with that, I simply wanted to point out that I am not that bad at spelling. Oh, and I’ll speak any ol’ way I please, thank you very much. :)
Geno said: “Despite the fact that “there are more of them”, as in your own words they “come in all shapes, colors and nationalities.” In hindsight, isn’t that a little tiring to be hearing about the Latino/Hispanic immirgants 95% of the time? Now that’s hypocritical in my mind.”
Are you suggesting we ignore what’s happening because of the color of the skin, the nationality, or something else of the majority of illegal aliens involved? IMO, it is not tiring to hear the effects of massive illegal immigration to our country. The American people deserve to know, regardless of who it makes uncomfortable. I don’t see how anyone could advocate what amounts to sticking one’s head in the sand, which is what seems to be what you’re doing. If I’m wrong, please advise.
Geno said: “I am against all *ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION* regardless of your skin color. How hard is that to figure out?”
I don’t recall suggesting anything to the contrary to you or about you, Geno. The quotes used in reply to Sancho’s bunk were taken randomly from the comments above to prove that race had, indeed, been addressed here by both “sides.”
Geno said: “But focusing on Latino/Hispanics the vast majority of time seems to be a little trite.”
To you, but not to me. Now, if only a small portion of illegal aliens were Latino/Hispanic but Dobbs, or anyone for that matter, still continued to focus on them the majority of the time, I would feel the same as you’ve described. However, I believe it is only natural that the majority of reports regarding illegal immigration and illegal aliens include Latinos/Hispanics because they are the majority of illegal aliens in our country. Does that not make sense?
Geno said: “And by virtue of Border Security, you are not considered an “extremist” for wanting the borders secured and comprehensive immirgation reform.”
It depends on who you’re talking to, I suppose. In some circles wanting Border Security is the same as being a xenophobic bigot. Many times, simply suggesting our government should actually enforce our immigration laws, which hasn’t been done since they were enacted, before declaring them “broken” can get you called “a person who fears brown-skinned people!”
Thus far it’s been my experience that those who want to pretend the term illegal alien is the same as Latino/Hispanic are Latinos and Hispanics. Odd, huh?
Geno said: “That lable is strictly applied to individuals harboring extreme rhetorics which is commonly associated with hategroups much like the WN.”
And that’s where you’re wrong. An example: A local pro-border security group went to protest the Mexican government’s meddling in US affairs at the Mexican Consulate. The Mexican Consul had been attending public hearings at the state house advocating drivers licenses for illegal aliens, giving interviews to reporters about peoples “fears” of Mexicans, etc. This was in middle America fly-over country, BTW. The group sent a press release to local news media regarding the upcoming protest of the Mexican government’s meddling. The ADL listed the local group’s small event on their national website as an “extremist event.” I feel the Mexican Consul’s office had a hand in giving the ADL a heads up, but that’s just a gut feeling, nothing more.
That kind of stuff happens all the time, just like the SPLC trying to paint anyone and everyone associated with the large national immigration control groups as racists. It’s absurd. These days “hategroups,” may cover geniune hategroups, but more and more, it entails anyone who says or does something the SPLC, ADL, etc. do not like.
on December 6th, 2008 at 3:07 pm
GENO,
My complete statement did not come out dated 5 DEC @ 4:04PM.
The Olmec were TOTALLY wiped out.
The Aztecs, Mayas and Incas did not become Empires by making nice with their neighbors. They did what all Conquerors do They Conquered, and held the land.
Native American history is NOT limited to North American Tribes.
on December 6th, 2008 at 4:48 pm
GENO,
First you write,
“Au contrrair mon Fariare”
Immediately afterwards, You write,
Speak English please, thanks.
“SACRE BLEU”
Not only are you terrible at the English Language, but ALSO at your comical attempts at French!!!!!!!
The proper writing is, oh what’s the use, YOU look it up!
Did you say baseless statements, referring to Moi?
If this isn’t an oxymoron, I don’t know what is.
You think YOUR having problems comprehending?
I bet you gave your Teachers a good run for their money!
on December 8th, 2008 at 10:12 am
Cooper–
“Could it be that you simply missed those stories or weren’t told about them?”
Exactly. And here’s why;
1.) Obviously, I’m no fan of that Janus-faced Lou Dobbs and I think you already know this.
2.) I just happened to tune into CNN`s Lou Dobbs twice last week and there was nothing to the contrary on there other than the usual “Mexican Bashing” sentiments. Like I said before approximately 95% of the time he does that. Which is why I may have missed his reports of Illegal Aliens from Europe, South Africa, especially France or the Slavik for that matter. Something I like to hear more often. And to hear him give any reporting of Illegals from the countries I just noted is extremely vague. Then I guess that means you really have to be watching Lou Dobbs for the full hour everyday of the week?….
Wow……..
I didn’t know that you really enjoy watching Lou Dobbs THAT MUCH, don’t you?
Cooper–
“WHOA!! Something happened to your quote of my statement. It isn’t all as I typed it. Nothings wrong with that. I simply wanted to point out that I am not that bad at spelling.”
Excuse me. Then pardon my French. The exact same thing can happen to you in foreign languages you know little or nothing about. But in reference to my “spellings”, I usually dash out what I type which may lead to natural typos. Unlike Sancho(he must be talking to himself) on here, I don’t loathe over a single sentence or paragraph for long periods to try and impress people with my English.
Cooper–
“Oh and I`ll speak in any ol` any I want. And thank you very much.”
But speaking in your native French won’t garner you any responses from me. Naturally, I because I didn’t take any French lessons in H.S. But maybe from your fellow Frenchmen. (No pun intended for the French speakers.)
Cooper–
“Are you suggesting we ignore what’s happening because of the color of the skin, the nationalities, or something else the majority of illegal aliens involved?’
No.
As I have been saying above in my previous posts that there shall be equal reporting of illegal aliens *regardless* of “their skin color, or their nationalities”. Something that Lou Dobbs is very inept at doing so.
Cooper–
“IMO. Its not tiring to hear the effects of massive immigration to our country.”
I didn’t say it was tiring to hear of the “effects”. But since you misunderstood my point and took my statements out of its context, I merely stated that it was tiring to hear the scathing false exaggerations by Lou Dobbs` frivolous reports on Hispanic Immigration. Its only propaganda that you loved to lap it up. His reports are not 100% legit. At least not to me. I only see him as a hype and nothing more.
Cooper–
“The American people deserve to know, regardless of who`ll makes it uncomfortable.”
Yes they do.
But surely not from Lou Dobbs if that’s what you’re implying. But in hindsight, its their Freedom of Choice in choosing who`ll they believe. And I know for a fact that the vast majority of Hispanics refuses acknowlege or even believing in anything Lou Dobbs has to say about them or the Hispanic immigration crisis. Personally, I don’t. And yes, there are better and legit immigration reports out there other than Lou Dobbs.
Cooper–
“The quotes used in reply to Sancho` s bunk were taken randomly from the comments above to prove that race has indeed been addressed by both “sides”.”
Of course. Then again, why am I not surprised?
Cooper–
“To you but not to me. Now if only a small portion of illegal aliens were Latino/Hispanic but Dobbs, or anyone for that matter, still continue to focus on them the majority of the time,”
Which is exactly why I found Lou Dobbs to be dull and boring. But if he would actually “focus” on European Illegals 50% of the time, maybe his ratings will go back up. Even if European Illegal Aliens are only a “small portion” of the immigration mess. He just might garner more praise on both left and right.
Cooper–
“I would’ve feel the same as you described.”
But sadly, you don’t.
Cooper–
“However, I believe its only natural that the vast majority of reports regarding illegal immigration or illegal aliens including Latinos/Hispanics because they are the majority of illegal aliens in our country. Does that make sense?”
No it doesn’t make sense to me to hear a prominent mass media spokeshole like Lou Dobbs who vehemently likes to bash Latino/Hispanic immigrants. And “naturally” I don’t agree with Dobbs, if that helps you understand my stance clearly.
Cooper–
“That depends on who you’re talking to. I supposed in some circles wanting Border Security is the same as being an xenophobic bigot.”
(Then)
“can get you called “a person who fears the brown skinned people.”
Yes. As in the Nativist movement and the Minutement. But not the Border Patrol.
We know the Border Patrol is a Federal Agency responsible for the enforcement of our Border Security and should not be ‘called persons who fears brown skinned people”.
And you may not agree with me on this is that the majority of civilian anti-immigration forces are usually comprised of White Supremacists and “racists” alike, whereas the Border Patrol is not. It is a multi-racial law enforcement agency. Its something that I strongly support but not the Natavist movement.
Cooper–
“Thus its been my experience that those who pretend to use the term illegal alien is the same as Latino/Hispanic are Latino/Hispanic. Odd huh?”
Yes mostly in the Natavist circles and they are usually White or the “Anglos” for the most part, unless if you care to cite a non-White organization herein.
Cooper–
“An that`s where you’re wrong.”
Can you name a single instance in the WN movement where Latino/Hispanic immigration wasn’t a contributing factor in their extreminism? I don’t think you can. Which is why we have witnessed a surge of Latino/Hispanic hatecrime for the fiscal year of 2007.
on December 9th, 2008 at 7:24 pm
@ Geno,
Wow, that is a long statement. Are you trying to audition to write a book? Usually People who Talk a lot and write a lot
to make a point, have a very weak point. Get to the point.