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Despite Testimony on Past Misuse, Klan Boss Solicits More Funds

By David Holthouse on December 2, 2008 - 9:06 am, Posted in Klan, Lawsuits

Eight days after a Meade County, Ky., civil jury delivered a potentially crippling verdict against the Imperial Klans of America (IKA), including $1 million in punitive damages against IKA leader Ron Edwards, the unrepentant imperial wizard had this to say to “IKA Members and Supporters”:

I quit.

Oh, and please send money.

In an open letter dated Nov. 22 and posted on the IKA website, Edwards declared that he was resigning effective immediately. “I need time off because I have not had any in many years,” wrote Edwards, who founded the IKA, now the third largest Klan group in America, in late 1996.

Edwards further explained that he was stepping down in order to “focus my efforts” on preparing an appeal of the $2.5-million judgment in a lawsuit brought by the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) on behalf of a teenager who was assaulted by IKA members at a county fair in rural Kentucky in 2006.

Although Edwards represented himself during the recent three-day trial, he claimed in his letter that an unnamed Louisville, Ky., lawyer had offered to represent Edwards on appeal for the cut rate of $10,000. “That is GREAT!” Edwards wrote. “While this lawyer does not share our beliefs, he … seems to be determined to put up a serious fight in court. So, anyone who can send anything in, please do! In the memo area, please write ‘Lawyer.’ Thank you so much!” Later in the letter, Edwards reiterated his plea for money: “Again, anyone who can help with donations for the appeal, please do. This is very important, not just for myself, but all Pro-European American groups and our people as whole.”

Unfortunately for Edwards, potential donors to his purported cause are likely to consider the damning testimony of former IKA members who said in the Meade County trial that Edwards routinely lines his own pockets with IKA membership fees and “defense fund” donations. One of them, Joshua Cowles, a former IKA recruiter under Edwards, described a typical occasion where Edwards paid his own bills with a $400 donation that Edwards had solicited on behalf of an IKA member facing a criminal assault charge. “The IKA is about one man and one man only—and that’s Ron Edwards,” Cowles said on the witness stand. “It’s about his greed, his want to have money, his desire to get by without working, his desire to trick people into giving him money to support him.”

Further damaging Edwards’ credibility within the white supremacist movement is RonEdwardsReport.info, a website run by former IKA members who detail accusations of Edwards mistreating his wife, misusing funds and snitching out former IKA member Kale Kelly to the FBI. The website calls Edwards a “cancer to our cause and a disgrace to real Klansman [sic].”

Past IKA supporters may also be dissuaded from sending Edwards any more funds if they realize that any money they send could wind up in the hands of the SPLC unless and until Edwards pays off his share of the damages, which total about $1.5 million (along with the $1 million in punitive damages, the verdict included $1.5 million in compensatory damages, apportioned among Edwards and two of the IKA members who carried out the assault). Any money collected by the SPLC from Edwards will be passed on to its client in the Meade County case, Jordan Gruver, who was beaten viciously by Edwards’ followers at a 2006 county fair.

Meanwhile, Edwards announced that “Brother Jim Walters,” an IKA member living in Nancy, Ky., will serve as the new conductor of the IKA train wreck in the official role of “Acting Imperial Wizard.”

“I will be assisting Jim with e-mails and providing other instructions during this transition of responsibilities,” Edwards wrote.

And, no doubt, keeping an eye out for any checks in the mail.

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  • Wilson Reese

    “Being proud of being “white” is like being proud of being tall- you were born this way.”

    Dude, I’m so gonna start my own National Socialist Tall Association, cause if you can’t be proud of your tallness, what the hell can you be proud of? Tall and Proud, death to the shorties! Being white is so overrated anyway….yawn, and I have to share my whiteness with white trash like James Hallman which is a huge embarrassment like finding a shitstain on my white underwear.

    But hey James, it must be nice to make up shit and try to pass if off as reality….only it doesn’t work with intelligent people who actually read and understand how the real world works. So, if you could just bugger off and trade your fantasies with your other white trash idiot buddies about how the minorities are taking over the country and that one of the most antisemitic countries in the world- Russia would allow Jewish mobsters to rule over them, blah, blah, blah, it would be funny if it wasn’t so stupid and sad.

  • James Hallman

    Aslan:
    I doubt that many in Eastern Europe today would agree with you that they were better off under communism than they are today, but they still aren’t doing near as well as they could be because of the Jewish exploiters who jumped in to fill the void left by the fall of communism. What we nationalist would call ‘Jewish Capitalist’.

  • Aslan Maskhadov

    Sorry James, but society in Eastern Europe was FAR better under “Communism”, be including the revisionism of the post 1956 USSR. Society went to hell after the complete erradication of any kind of socialist system, and in many places has been getting worse. The fall of the USSR occurred about 20 years ago, so blaming these problems on Communism is absolutely ludicrous.

  • http://www.natall.com James Hallman

    I never said there were not white mexicans ,and you’ll
    find that they are about the only one’s in mexico that has any real intelligence. It’s the masses made-up of those
    dumb mix-breeds that has brought mexico to the brink of
    disaster and wiil eventually bring decay to our own
    nation in time if something isn’t done about the massive
    influx of sub-humans.
    The reason Russia and much of Eastern Europe is in
    such bad economic and social shape is becuse of the
    legacy of communism better known as Jewish Bolshevism.

  • GENO

    Hallman`s assinine implies that Mexico is supposedly to be made up of just “Brown” people is as dumber than an stubborn old mule.
    After the arrival of Columbus, the entire nation of Mexico has been as racially diverse as that of the United States. In fact “Mestizos” are the ones controlling its infected government institutions, and “Mestizos” make up half of Mexico`s populations and they are a diverse mixed of Portuguese and Amerindians. Then again there are the “Hispanic Whites” with blond hair and blue eyes as there are darker skinned black Carrribean types as well.
    Your lame insinuations about Mexico is as old as the belief that the Earth is still flat.

  • Aslan Maskhadov

    “You’re not ‘white’ nor intelligent or you would realize
    that it’s ‘race’ that characterizes a nation.”

    I am what you consider “white” and how would being “white” lead one to come to certain conclusions about what characterizes a nation. A nation can be easily characterized by its ethnic make-up even if it is not homogenous.

    “Why do you
    think Africa is in the shape their in today. Or Mexico
    for that matter, or any number of countries made up
    of non-whites? ”

    Hmm…maybe it’s the same reason why lily white Russia, Poland, and any number of Eastern European countries are so messed up.

    “It’s because of their gene poll ,”

    The term is genepool, and if you did some research, you would find that in Mexico there are many, many “white people” of Spanish and French desccent. Yet Mexico still has problems- so where’s your explanation for that?

    . “You don’t have to be a rocket scientist to figure that out.”

    Of course you don’t have to be a rocket scientist to make fallacious conclusions such as: X country is poor, X country is mostly non-white, ergo X country is poor because it is mostly non-white.

    “‘RACE’ matters!”

    You sure hope it does, because it narrows the field of competition for you. If everyone were stupid enough to assume that because Plato was white, and you are white, this must have some kind of bearing on your personal quality, you would be a lot better off.

    “The reason you have no pride
    in your race is because”

    Why have pride in something you didn’t do, and didn’t have control over?

    ” 1. You’re probably not white to
    begin with,”

    Uh, sure pal. Because it’s not like the vast majority of “white” people find you guys to be totally repulsive or anything.

    “you’re probably a Jew.”

    Took you longer than usual to pull that one out, but then again you’re obviously new to the movement otherwise you wouldn’t have joined the NA to begin with.

    Let me bring you up to speed: The vast majority of “white people” world wide hate your views. It is therefore not odd to see a non-Jewish white person online that hates your organization.

    ” 2 It’s rather odd you
    have no pride in you’re race while no doubt giving full
    understanding to those minorities who are very racially
    conscious if not down-right racist,”

    Uh wait a minute, you just said I’m not white? Now I am white but with no pride? And minorities are not as “race conscious” as you think. If they are, it’s because they have faced and still face discrimination, so they need to help eachother out sometimes. White people still control the power structure in the US, therefore they do not need such special advocacy groups.

    “and 3 You are just
    one of many who could care less what kind of world
    your progeny will have to deal with as long as you’re able
    to endulge in your own selfish materialistic needs and
    wants. ”

    Actually I care a lot about that but your ideology holds no solution for them. And the word is ‘indulge’. As for materialistic needs and wants, something tells me that if your wants were more fulfilled you wouldn’t be a racialist.

    “The fact that you must lower yourself to nic-picking
    about my grammer only reveals someone who has no
    intelligent come-back and is frustrated over the fact that
    I’m telling the truth concerning blacks and other minorites.”

    It’s far from nitpicking when it’s that atrocious, and I have provided plenty of intelligent comebacks. Your every argument has been shot down, mainly because you have a very narrow view of history and not enough experience in the real world outside of America.

    “If whites do recieve any form of government asistance,
    it’s always lower than what they make-up in the general
    population where blacks, it’s always more than what they
    make-up in the general population.”

    Again, this shows you still haven’t bothered to check, and yet you are making an empty speculation. Also forgetting that these kinds of social programs in the US constitute a very small portion of the budget anyway. Also I told you that the statistics on whites getting welfare and government aid excludes farm subsidies, so with those they actually get even more. And whites just got about $700 billion in welfare known as the bailout.

    ” Just recently in the
    news there was a piece about a certain age group of blacks
    commiting almost 1500 murders a year compared to whites
    commiting only around 500.in the same age group. Blacks
    make-up about 90% of this countries gangs. I’m not saying
    we should load them up in box cars, but let’s not deny
    reality Aslan.”

    Source please.

  • James Hallman

    Aslan:

    You’re not ‘white’ nor intelligent or you would realize
    that it’s ‘race’ that characterizes a nation. Why do you
    think Africa is in the shape their in today. Or Mexico
    for that matter, or any number of countries made up
    of non-whites? It’s because of their gene poll , that’s
    why. You don’t have to be a rocket scientist to figure that out. Contrary to what you and your ilk would have others
    believe, ‘RACE’ matters! The reason you have no pride
    in your race is because 1. You’re probably not white to
    begin with, you’re probably a Jew. 2 It’s rather odd you
    have no pride in you’re race while no doubt giving full
    understanding to those minorities who are very racially
    conscious if not down-right racist, and 3 You are just
    one of many who could care less what kind of world
    your progeny will have to deal with as long as you’re able
    to endulge in your own selfish materialistic needs and
    wants. The fact that you must lower yourself to nic-picking
    about my grammer only reveals someone who has no
    intelligent come-back and is frustrated over the fact that
    I’m telling the truth concerning blacks and other minorites.
    If whites do recieve any form of government asistance,
    it’s always lower than what they make-up in the general
    population where blacks, it’s always more than what they
    make-up in the general population. Just recently in the
    news there was a piece about a certain age group of blacks
    commiting almost 1500 murders a year compared to whites
    commiting only around 500.in the same age group. Blacks
    make-up about 90% of this countries gangs. I’m not saying
    we should load them up in box cars, but let’s not deny
    reality Aslan.

  • Aslan Maskhadov

    Nice try Hallman

    “We one takes in the entire gambit of government asistance you can be rest assured that blacks receive at least half, or at least a heck of a lot more than they deserve, considering they make-up only 13% of the population.”

    No Hallman, when someone actually does their homework, they find out that: A. Social programs in general make up a very small part of the US budget(sadly), and B. the majority of this goes to whites. It’s actually FAR more if you count farm subsidies as well.

    Oh, and please check your syntax would you?

    “The very fact that I should have to explain much of what should be common knowledge tells me that you were never a member of the NA, because you apparently have no pride in your race whatsoever,”

    This statement is a bit all over the place. First of all, what you “explain” is factually wrong. You say it should be common knowledge because you’re hoping that people won’t check up on your claims. Perhaps it is common knowledge, but then again when you look at what passes for common knowledge out there, this is understandable.

    Again, you can keep crying your eyes out about the fact that I was a member of the NA back when it was an organization, something I regret, but that is a fact. And no, I do not have pride in my “race” anymore. What kind of thing is that to be proud of? I am of Irish-Slavic descent, and yet culturally I will always be American, and however far I assimilate into my ancestral culture it will always be a melding of that culture and American culture, to which extent it can be defined.

    Do you really think that because you and I look European there is some link in quality between us? I speak two languages and a little of several more- you can barely write in English. Do you really think that you have some kind of bond of blood with men like Aristotle, George Washington, Shakespeare, or Leif Errikson? Do you think that anybody is going to care about who your great, great, great, great, grandparents came from? More likely than not they were illiterate peasants from some European country, just like the majority of Americans’ European ancestors.

    Being proud of being “white” is like being proud of being tall- you were born this way. You had no control over it, you didn’t DO anything or ACCOMPLISH anything, it was simply a matter of random chance. What sort of person wants to be proud of that? I have an answer- someone who has accomplished nothing significant in their life.

    “It’s obvious you are the typical brainwashed youth of todays educational system and liberal media,”

    It is common in cults for people to have a sort of us vs. them mentality, where they tend to view themselves as an enlightened elite and their enemies as “brainwashed” masses. Your claim here is laughable because I spent most of my life as some kind of conservative, mainly due to my upbringing.

    ” and for all your good spelling and grammer”

    Dude, I usually don’t pick on grammar or spelling at all, but yours is REALLY bad.

    ” you’re just as stupid as most of those Dr, Pierce called the ignorant masses.”

    Dr. Pierce can do ADV broadcasts in hell for all I care. Were he alive I would love to ask him a few inconvenient questions in a public venue so as to provoke one of his signature tantrums.

    As for who is stupid and ignorant, I believe the gallery will note from our exchanges here who best fits those adjectives.

    much less a working knowledge of why you should . It’s obvious you are the typical brainwashed youth of todays educational system and liberal media, and for all your good spelling and grammer you’re just as stupid as most of those Dr, Pierce called the ignorant masses.

  • James Hallman

    Geno:

    Those rioters in France were muslims from
    North Africa and the Middle-East, and those
    mobsters in Russia are for the most part Jewish.
    I’m not sure about the racial make-up of those in
    Greece, but they’re probably monorities too.
    And your point was?

  • James Hallman

    Aslan:
    We one takes in the entire gambit of government asistance you can be rest assured that blacks receive at least half, or at least a heck of a lot more than they deserve, considering they make-up only 13% of the population.
    The very fact that I should have to explain much of what should be common knowledge tells me that you were never a member of the NA, because you apparently have no pride in your race whatsoever, much less a working knowledge of why you should . It’s obvious you are the typical brainwashed youth of todays educational system and liberal media, and for all your good spelling and grammer you’re just as stupid as most of those Dr, Pierce called the ignorant masses.

  • Aslan Maskhadov

    “No, you look it up! Blacks do recieve more government
    asistance than whites.”

    Already did. I am right, you are wrong, simple as that. Next time CHECK something before you make it up.

    ” And yes, I can appreciate the
    contributions of other cultures and peoples but not at the
    expence of seeing my own people essentially displaced
    by this cult called ‘Multiculturalism.”

    Well that’s a relief because that isn’t happening.

    “If institutional
    discrimination through affirmative action and diversity
    programs are this bad now against whites not to mention
    the black on white crime can you imagine what it’s going to”

    Sheer idiocy. Do you know ONE person who has lost a job due to affirmative action?

    “You were no member of the NA or you wouldn’t be so
    stupid.”

    I’ll just let the gallery compare our posts for historical knowledge, grammar, and spelling, to decide who is “so stupid”

    ” Benjamin Disraeli, prime minister of Great Britain
    in the reign of Queen Victoria, actually wrote: ” All is race;
    there is no other truth. It is the key to history. And every
    race must fall which carelessly suffers its blood to become mixed, ”

    Was Disraeli an anthropologist? A geneticist? A historian? Nope? This is called an “appeal to authority” fallacy, invalidating your argument.

    “And perhaps it would take only a little historical
    investication to reveal that such an attitude was strikingly typical of all the great peoples of the past in precisely those periods in their careers that marked the apex of their political and cultural significance, and their ascent to it.”

    TRANSLATION: I didn’t feel like googling up another quote like this, so I’ll make you do it.

    REALITY: It doesn’t matter what people’s attitudes were- this attitude is not based on scientific or historical fact. Furthermore, such people have held the same views about their close neighbors. Take some time to look at English views of the Irish some time.

    “We are becoming more
    and more like Mexico, India, and many of the African
    nations.”

    Uh no…no you are not.

    And like it or not, I was a member of the NA. Let me correct that- I was a member of the NA when it was actually an organization, as opposed to two or three people. Cry into your pillow about that all you want.

  • mountaingirl08

    Disraeli was British P.M. during the latter 19th century. He held the typical views of most people during that time. Britain was also insufferably arrogant at times, being an empire and all that. Sort of like Bush.. They had the notion of “the white man’s burden.”
    Oh, by the way, Disraeli was Jewish. I guess the uninformed won’t want to quote him any more. So 19th Century.wasn’t he?

  • GENO

    “The reason many whites want racial separation..’

    Sorry buddy, I don’t regret to inform you but you don’t speak for the “masses” or majority of Whites. But if you think you can prove me or anyone wrong, dare I ask you to cite a source or a popular mainstream survey indicating that the “masses” of Whites want a racial separation? I say its fair to say that you are speaking for yourself?

    “based on the simple fact that white would be better off living amongst themselves without all the racial conflict.”

    Oh yeah just like the recent Greece Riots and the Riots of France that went on for the past couple of years. Or how about in Russia where corruption amd mobsters runs amok and their numerous murders goes unreported?

  • James Hallman

    ASLAN:

    You were no member of the NA or you wouldn’t be so
    stupid. Benjamin Disraeli, prime minister of Great Britain
    in the reign of Queen Victoria, actually wrote: ” All is race;
    there is no other truth. It is the key to history. And every
    race must fall which carelessly suffers its blood to become mixed, ” And perhaps it would take only a little historical
    investication to reveal that such an attitude was strikingly typical of all the great peoples of the past in precisely those periods in their careers that marked the apex of their political and cultural significance, and their ascent to it.
    If trends continue as they are, our nation will be like that
    of a third world nation made up of a population too stupid
    to ascend to the stars and beyond this solar system in
    order to assure the survival of our human race, or to be able
    to withstand the challenges of the future concerning our
    environment and global warming. We are becoming more
    and more like Mexico, India, and many of the African
    nations. To be white and pretend there’s nothing wrong
    with this scenario is to have a pathalogical mindset.

  • James Hallman

    No, you look it up! Blacks do recieve more government
    asistance than whites. And yes, I can appreciate the
    contributions of other cultures and peoples but not at the
    expence of seeing my own people essentially displaced
    by this cult called ‘Multiculturalism. If institutional
    discrimination through affirmative action and diversity
    programs are this bad now against whites not to mention
    the black on white crime can you imagine what it’s going to
    be like when whites are a minority. There is absolutely
    no reason to think that non-whites in the future is going
    to just open their arms to white people and welcome them
    as mutual minorities in this country, for the simple fact
    that based upon a higher intelligance and subseguent
    economic advantages, blacks especially will still hate
    white people and feel we owe them a living.

  • Aslan Maskhadov

    “When one realizes that whites still make-up a majority
    it’s not saying much that we commit more crime overall
    than do blacks, but when you see that blacks, particularly
    black males, who make-up only about 6% of the population
    and yet commit almost half the murders in this country,
    let’s face facts, there is something pathological going on here.”

    The number of black violent criminals make up at most something like 1% of the population, plus most crime is actually done by repeat offenders.

    ” We could say the same about interracial rapes where
    by whites raping black women can be counted in the hundreds and blacks raping white women are 10,000+ a
    year.”

    Yet statistically, white women are more likely to be raped by a white male. Moreover, women are more likely to be raped by someone they know.

    ” It’s the same with government asistance where blacks who make-up only 13% of the population recieve
    the majority of government asistance and welfare.”

    BZZZZT!!! Wrong. most government assistance goes to whites, look it up.

    “You can take the poorest, most white congested living
    space in America and compare to a comparable black
    community, and you can be rest assured,”

    No, actually you can’t. You can take a poor, RURAL white community and compare it against a densely populated black area to falsely claim that poverty isn’t an issue. Racists and mainstream conservatives have been claiming for years that poor white West Virginia proves this. Never mind the fact that WV is mostly rural and not densely populated. As I said before, look at statistics controlled for density and income, and see what happens.

    “The reason many whites want racial separation is based on the simple fact that whites would be better off living
    amongst themselves without all the racial conflict, .

    Oh…you mean like in peaceful Bosnia?

    ” The
    arrogance and hatred that these non-whites have for white
    people will become obvious to even the most dense people
    who wish to be in denial”

    Do you have any statistical surveys to back up the existence of this arrogance and denial? Or are you just an insecure guy making it up?

    ” You will be treated based on the color of your skin
    and that will be that!”

    Read that sentence back to you. Do you not notice how incredibly fearful it sounds?

    “This entire issue has nothing to do with hate, contrary to
    what you may want to believe, I’m not some rapid racist
    walking about foaming at the mouth yelling out the N-word.”

    Yeah, except at your NA meeting. We all know what WNs talk about when nobody else is around.

    “My cocern is about survival of that race that has given us
    the best world the human race could possible have to advance as evolution itself would have us do..”

    Hmm…let’s see, the Chinese, Egyptians(Semites), Sumerians(ditto), and pre-Aryan Indians gave us some pretty nice stuff too, don’t you think? Not to mention the Arab Caliphates and Ottoman Empire.

  • http://www.natall.com James Hallman

    When one realizes that whites still make-up a majority
    it’s not saying much that we commit more crime overall
    than do blacks, but when you see that blacks, particularly
    black males, who make-up only about 6% of the population
    and yet commit almost half the murders in this country,
    let’s face facts, there is something pathological going on here. We could say the same about interracial rapes where
    by whites raping black women can be counted in the hundreds and blacks raping white women are 10,000+ a
    year. It’s the same with government asistance where blacks who make-up only 13% of the population recieve
    the majority of government asistance and welfare.
    As far as police having more blacks arrested and put in
    prison compared to their numbers in the general population,
    it’s because they’re commiting so much more of the crimes
    you see. This idea that it’s profiling is just a cop-out and
    excuse for their criminal behavior.
    You can take the poorest, most white congested living
    space in America and compare to a comparable black
    community, and you can be rest assured, there will be at
    least three times the crime there as in a white community.
    The reason many whites want racial separation is based on the simple fact that whites would be better off living
    amongst themselves without all the racial conflict, charges
    of profiling, interracial crime and government cost that goes
    with a multiracial society.
    Affirmative action itself is nothing more than institutional
    discrimination and a desire on the part of the liberals and
    minoerities to cover up the obvious genetic disparities that
    exist in education, poverty, and prison populations in this
    country.
    All of this will become more and more apparent as we whites come closer to minority status in the future. The
    arrogance and hatred that these non-whites have for white
    people will become obvious to even the most dense people
    who wish to be in denial. And they wont care if your a left
    leaning white liberal or an NAACP dues paying member
    or not. You will be treated based on the color of your skin
    and that will be that! I could lead you to many web-sites
    that isn’t about hate but the SPLC would hardly allow this
    so there’s no point in it. All I can say is open your eyes
    and look around and use your common-sense, that is if
    you have any and fiqure it out for your self.
    This entire issue has nothing to do with hate, contrary to
    what you may want to believe, I’m not some rapid racist
    walking about foaming at the mouth yelling out the N-word.
    My cocern is about survival of that race that has given us
    the best world the human race could possible have to advance as evolution itself would have us do..

  • Aslan Maskhadov

    Oh boy, PAY DIRT!!! Let’s disect your nonsense, shall we Mr. Hallman. Oh and Mr. Hallman, you are still sending your dues to the national office right? Gliebe needs nice things.

    Ok let’s get started:

    “The NA doesn’t condon stupid acts of violence such
    as burning cross’s or beating up minorities, we leave
    that up to these other organizations who eventually
    find themselves in court and out of business.”

    Perhaps, but the NA has often failed to condemn such acts by folks like Robert Matthews for example. Also the NA has been selling music which glorifies all manner of criminal acts since 1999, via Resistance Records.

    “First off, I didn’t say that I wanted to walk in a black
    commnunity. What I was implying, was that your chances
    of walking through a black area being white and being
    victimized is far greater ,than for a black walking through
    a white area.”

    Gee that’s pretty easy- if ANYONE walks through an area with higher crime, they are more likely to become the victim of a crime. These “black areas” you speak of tend to have high population density as well as lower income. When crime statistics for blacks and whites are controlled for density and income- guess what happens? They nearly equalize.

    ” It really doesn’t do any good to cite resources for the likes of those who aren’t going to accept
    the facts anyway, so I’m not going to waste my time.”

    Your argument was fallacious, and yes you do need to cite sources.

    “You know where to find the truth if you really want the
    truth. As for the NA, organizations such as the SPLC
    try very hard to down play those groups they know are
    making headway in recruiting the kind of people who can
    stay out of jail and eventually contribute to our mission
    of racial separation.”

    No Mr. Hallman, if anything the SPLC has overinflated the numbers of the NA. The fact that they don’t even mention it anymore is a testament to just how bad things are for your sad little group of three people. You are not going to bluff anyone on here Hallman, I still can contact people who can find out exactly what is going on with the NA in a few days if I wanted. The SPLC has been very generous to you guys.

    “The SPLC could care less about the rights of white people
    for the simple fact that they ignore the disproportionate
    black on white crime in this country, and if your totally
    unaware of this fact, it’s only because you want to be.”

    Disproportionate yes, but the majority of white victims of violent crime are assaulted by whites. Why do you think your racist ideologues need to point out “disproportionality” in the first place?

    And do you mind explaining what special rights”white people” have, or better yet, how white people are having their rights violated any more than any other victim of a crime?

    “It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out from their
    web-site, that their entire focus is on what white people
    do to blacks rather than what blacks do to whites.”

    And it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to do a search on the SPLC site and find plenty of stories about extremist black groups, non-racial evangelical groups, black anti-gay movements, and the Turkish government’s attempts to cover up the Armenian genocide.

    ” This
    isn’t say that some crimes by whites against blacks
    isn’t newsworthy,”

    Aren’t newsworthy, You meant to say some crimes aren’t newsworthy.

    ” it’s just that I’ve read about many that
    would make one wonder why it didn’t get the same attention on ‘Headline News’ and ‘CNN’ and one has to
    come to the conclusion that if the victim had been black,
    it certainly would have. ”

    Funny you should mention that, because a large amount of missing person stories on cable news tend to be about white females, usually from wealthy families.

    “As for popular entertainment,
    let’s face it, the bad guy 90% of the time is always the
    evil white man.”

    Hmmm…let’s think about this. First of all, we have to cut out all the films where the bad guys are Arabs. Then we have films like Rambo 4, where the villains are the Burmese. Then there are shows like 24, where the villain is usually some Middle Easterner. And what about all those films where the Soviets are the bad guys? Even the Israeli government comes out looking like scumbags at the end of Spielberg’s masterpiece, Munich.

    “If it looks like its the black guy, he almost
    always turns out innocent,or he turns from being a bad
    guy to a good guy in the end, or if he really is a bad guy
    it’s only because some mean white guys abused him in
    jail or some such nonsense. Look at Spiderman, in the
    entire metropolis every crook except for a hand full that
    could have been hispanic where white. It’s almost as if
    black crime doesn’t exist in Hollywoodland.”

    Yes, damn those Hollywood movies. Forget all about statistical surveys about police profiling or racial stereotypes in regard to blacks. Whites are such idiots, they are easily taken down with movies based on comic books. I’m surprised you didn’t suggest more whites came to believe that they could gain superpowers from being bitten by a radioactive spider. If they are dumb enough to conclude that black crime is virtually non-existent simply due to popular media, why wouldn’t they believe such absurdities?

    “I admit that whites are headed for minority status and
    sooner than many think, but it’s because of this fact
    that whites will regain their sense of racial consciousness
    and assert their rights just as blacks,hispanics and Indians
    do today. ”

    What rights of “whites” are being routinely violated? You have not cited even one example.

    “And when they do, the house of cards the Jewish
    liberals and minority activist have built for themselves
    will come crashing down on top of them. ”

    Typical WN mythology. The Jews, who so easily outsmart the dull-witted yet somehow superior Aryan at every turn, will fly too high like Icarus, and somehow not see the alleged catastrophe they are bringing until it is too late.

    “Without all this
    political correctness”

    Ah yes, America is ruled by political correctness, which is why shows like Family Guy and South Park are so popular, right?

    “,and the ideology multiculturalism,
    as well as equalitarianism”

    The word is egalitarianism. And as for multiculturalism, why are you against it? Your very attempt at “white unity” is in fact a multicultural crusade, as the cultures of Europe are very different in a number of ways. It is always fun to watch the ham-fisted attempt of American WNs to recreate European culture in your “Euro-fests”.

    ” which constitutes much of
    what we call cultural marxism the enemies of our race
    are not going to stand a chance.”

    Ah yes, all kneel before the works of you and the other two guys still in the NA! Seriously though, if that is how you define “cultural Marxism”, you might as well have described cultural Marxism as “a ceramic container used to hold liquid, such as coffee”. Both definitions make about the same amount of sense.

    ” And it won’t be because
    we are going to kill them,”

    Sorry Hallman, but I read Turner diaries. Of course if you guys ever pulled anything, it would be you getting wiped out, just like your boy Robert “Extra Crispy” Matthews.

    ” it will be because they will have
    live amongst their own kind without exploiting white people.”

    Uh yeah, white people are exploited, sure. I suggest you start reading Marx and find out what exploitation is, in terms of something measurable and readily identifiable.

    “It will be up to them to either sink or swim in maintaining
    some semblance of order and civilization, and if Haiti and
    most of your African countries is any example,”

    Or any lily white Eastern European country for example. Hmmm…they used to have LESS crime than countries like the UK or US, but then something happened around 1989-91…..

    ” The NA worldview
    is solid,”

    Solid so long as you are willing to accept fallacious arguments, and ignore tons of scientific, statistical, and historical facts.

    ” our belief trancends mythology and superstition
    and will one day rally the multitude of white people asking
    for our help and protection when socioeconomic hell breaks
    loose in a nation nolonger their own.”

    Please, read the paragraph above back to yourself. Find out how many of “you” exist. Then ask yourself if you are truly sane. The NA could barely run a mail-order book company, and you believe they could possibly run a country?

  • http://www.natall.com James Hallman

    The NA doesn’t condon stupid acts of violence such
    as burning cross’s or beating up minorities, we leave
    that up to these other organizations who eventually
    find themselves in court and out of business.
    First off, I didn’t say that I wanted to walk in a black
    commnunity. What I was implying, was that your chances
    of walking through a black area being white and being
    victimized is far greater ,than for a black walking through
    a white area. And if you fail to realize this fact, you don’t
    get out very much. It really doesn’t do any good to cite resources for the likes of those who aren’t going to accept
    the facts anyway, so I’m not going to waste my time.
    You know where to find the truth if you really want the
    truth. As for the NA, organizations such as the SPLC
    try very hard to down play those groups they know are
    making headway in recruiting the kind of people who can
    stay out of jail and eventually contribute to our mission
    of racial separation.
    The SPLC could care less about the rights of white people
    for the simple fact that they ignore the disproportionate
    black on white crime in this country, and if your totally
    unaware of this fact, it’s only because you want to be.
    It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out from their
    web-site, that their entire focus is on what white people
    do to blacks rather than what blacks do to whites. This
    isn’t say that some crimes by whites against blacks
    isn’t newsworthy, it’s just that I’ve read about many that
    would make one wonder why it didn’t get the same attention on ‘Headline News’ and ‘CNN’ and one has to
    come to the conclusion that if the victim had been black,
    it certainly would have. As for popular entertainment,
    let’s face it, the bad guy 90% of the time is always the
    evil white man. If it looks like its the black guy, he almost
    always turns out innocent,or he turns from being a bad
    guy to a good guy in the end, or if he really is a bad guy
    it’s only because some mean white guys abused him in
    jail or some such nonsense. Look at Spiderman, in the
    entire metropolis every crook except for a hand full that
    could have been hispanic where white. It’s almost as if
    black crime doesn’t exist in Hollywoodland.
    I admit that whites are headed for minority status and
    sooner than many think, but it’s because of this fact
    that whites will regain their sense of racial consciousness
    and assert their rights just as blacks,hispanics and Indians
    do today. And when they do, the house of cards the Jewish
    liberals and minority activist have built for themselves
    will come crashing down on top of them. Without all this
    political correctness ,and the ideology multiculturalism,
    as well as equalitarianism which constitutes much of
    what we call cultural marxism the enemies of our race
    are not going to stand a chance. And it won’t be because
    we are going to kill them, it will be because they will have
    live amongst their own kind without exploiting white people.
    It will be up to them to either sink or swim in maintaining
    some semblance of order and civilization, and if Haiti and
    most of your African countries is any example, You can
    very well understand why blacks freak out and get crazy
    when all the white people start moving out of the neighborhood and the local school zone. The NA worldview
    is solid, our belief trancends mythology and superstition
    and will one day rally the multitude of white people asking
    for our help and protection when socioeconomic hell breaks
    loose in a nation nolonger their own.

  • GENO

    Asian,

    You’re right. The National Annoyance doesn’t exist in my area, I was only being practical about their fliers being used as scrap paper. That was my catch. And speaking of the Nationalists Coalition, they’re a joke as well, did you remember when they were supposed to have a public meeting at my local library? And they cancelled it the last minute when word got out that there will be individuals sent there to monitor the meeting(and yes it was open to the public). These guys looked like the Neo-Nazi Nerds with their white shirts and ties and clean-cut hairdo. Besides they don’t have that many members either from what I was told, at least not enough to garner the ADL`s attention to add to their “hate list”…yet.

  • Aslan Maskhadov

    Geno I think you are being generous; the NA would be lucky if they could have a rally anywhere at all. As for those flyers- if you live where I think you live, and they are filled with kitty litter, those mostly likely came from NV or that Nationalist Coalition(it’s a funny name because “whites” aren’t even a nation in any sense).

    Hallmann either works at the national office, probably sending out book orders or something, or he discovered and joined the NA totally online, with no physical connection to the organization. That is the only way he could not know that the NA is considered a joke even in the movement. If you mention them on any forum today(and that’s where 95% of the movement really is), you will generally get the reply: “What? They still exist?” His canned answers also support the latter theory.

    Basically he is a “Johnny-come-lately”.

  • GENO

    James Hallman,
    Face it. Everybody knows that the National Annoyance(excuse me I meant Alliance) is merely a paper organization and nothing more. Your pitful little band of losers does not galvanize any influence on society other than the simple fact that you can stage an occasional rallies held only in limited places(where no more than 10 people show up) and sending out fliers(which I can use as spare paper for my cat litter box) which are usually thrown out.

    “Defending one`s race isn’t necessarily “hate” unless your looking at it from a minority`s point of view.”

    There is nothing wrong with “defending your race”. But its how the White Supremacists “defends” itself is only through acts of violence and hatred, pure and simple. And its not just from the “minority`s point of view”, but from the Jews and the White Man alike. Which is why the vast majority of White people chooses to distant themselves from the likes of you.

    “Unfortunately what someone considers hate is someone elses civil rights”

    I don’t think you have a clue as to what “Civil Rights” actually means, when you went on to prattle how you can’t “walk through a neighborhood.”
    Maybe you’re talking about privately owned properties on private land? You have no “Civil Rights” on someone elses private property, that would be tresspassing. That’s something you White Supremacists are known for, is tresspassing into someone`s yard to start a “Burning Cross” BBQ. And you make a puny assumption that your “Civil Rights” are violated once you get arrested for terrorizing a non-White American family. Sorry old man, but that’s not how “Civil Rights” work. Its no wonder why the NA and groups like it, love to recruit retarded low functioning uneducated skinheads.

  • Aslan Maskhadov

    “Unfortunately, what many would consider ‘HATE’ is
    someone elses civil right. The right to be able to walk through
    any neighborhood in America should be a right ,but for
    many white people, simply because of their skin color,
    to walk through a black hood is almost a certain death sentence.”

    Wait a minute, I thought you didn’t want to be around blacks, period. Now you WANT to walk through their neighborhoods? And could you perhaps cite some statistics on whites being killed or assaulted in black neighborhoods simply for being white? I spent about six or more years in a predominately non-white neighborhood, and not only had I never faced any serious threat there, but I was certainly not targeted by someone for being “white”.

    Furthermore, whites have this “civil right” called freedom of association. Nobody forces you to walk into a black neighborhood.

    “Before you give me that Rodney King ” can’t we just all get along” crap, tell it to the hundreds of so-called
    civi rights organizations whose very livelyhood is generating
    ‘hate’ against white people”

    Well I think you need to define “hate” because your initial definition was a bit strange.

    ” That, and the media that demonizes almost white men in movies, sitcoms and
    commercials as either an evil monster or an idiot.”

    First off, you probably watch too much TV, and second, you most likely read into things too much.

    One of the most popular films recently was The Dark Night. The hero? Not just a white guy, a RICH white guy. And a white police commissioner.

    “the rehashing of every past crime against blacks such as
    ” Mississippi Burning” that does nothing but incite
    hatred against whites.”

    Excuse me but HOW OLD IS MISSISSIPPI BURNING? And I would say the film doesn’t incite hatred against “whites”, but against whites who do those kinds of things.

    ” It’s no wonder there is such a
    disproportionate amount of black on white crime after viewing the lies and distortions one sees on television.”

    Color of Deception, Google it.

    “Defending one’s race isn’t necessarily ‘hate’ unless
    your looking at it from a minority point of view.”

    A. Your not “defending” anything, and second, you’re mostly making up a crisis that isn’t happening.

  • James Hallman

    Miller:

    Unfortunately, what many would consider ‘HATE’ is
    someone elses civil right. The right to be able to walk through
    any neighborhood in America should be a right ,but for
    many white people, simply because of their skin color,
    to walk through a black hood is almost a certain death sentence. Before you give me that Rodney King ” can’t we just all get along” crap, tell it to the hundreds of so-called
    civi rights organizations whose very livelyhood is generating
    ‘hate’ against white people. That, and the media that demonizes almost white men in movies, sitcoms and
    commercials as either an evil monster or an idiot. With
    the rehashing of every past crime against blacks such as
    ” Mississippi Burning” that does nothing but incite
    hatred against whites. It’s no wonder there is such a
    disproportionate amount of black on white crime after viewing the lies and distortions one sees on television.
    Defending one’s race isn’t necessarily ‘hate’ unless
    your looking at it from a minority point of view.

  • Aslan Maskhadov

    Hallman, I suggest you put on some glasses, the name I am posting under is Aslan, not “Asian”.

    “”Asian: Apprently you were never an NA member or you would no that we’re not part of the “movement” that is
    generally made up of a bunch of dysfunctional s that
    thinks it’s cool to “Hail Hitler” with tattoos from head to toe.”

    Standard NA canned answer. Well I got bad news for you- I was indeed part of the NA, and obviously before you were. And as for the “dysfunctional” movement, the NA has ALWAYS associated with these types, tattoos or no tattoos. Whether or not he admitted it, Pierce was fine with all of this. If he weren’t, he would not have bought Resistance Records.

    “What Dr. Pierce refered to as the ‘Elit’ wasn’t so much in
    terms you would define, but simply everyday working class
    people from all socioeconmic levels, who had at least the
    ensight to recognize that our race is endangered, unlike
    the general mass of people who could care less what
    happens beyond their own mailboxs.”

    Yeah, that’s what he “meant” by elite, but what he got was mostly socially inept losers. Keep in mind that Pierce, for all his rhetoric about having white children, had a masectomy and preferred numerous mail-order brides rather than staying with his wife and raising his own children.

    “If you were once a member, you would also know that the NA isn’t a cult.”

    On the contrary, I was a member and that is precisely how I know it is a cult. But keep telling yourself otherwise and sending money to Gleibe.

    “The SPLC can hardly be considered a ” Civil Rights -
    organization” for the simple fact that according to them, we
    have no civil rights, and are catagorized based on our skin
    color as ‘oppressors’ and those deserving to be dispossessed of all our political,economic, and cultural
    influence and power. ”

    Please direct me to the part of the SPLC website where they declare that “whites are oppressors” and “have no civil rights”. Please explain how your civil rights are are violated.

    “The SPLC is a ‘Cultural Marxist’
    organization working in tantum with hundreds of others
    throughtout this country and could care less about the
    victimization of white people or the violation of their rights.”

    Please DEFINE “cultural Marxism”. And by the way, it’s “working in tandem”. Also if you get the time, explain how whites are having their rights violated for being white. Make sure you cite reputable sources.

    This will be fun,.

  • http://www.yahoo.com jerilyn kay [jeri] miller

    mr. james hallman, sir, i don’t believe hatred and violence have ever been considered a ‘civil right’ . i guess when a person is so unhappy in his/her ownself, they must hate others to feel better. i am walking a fine line right now, between wanting to scold you or feel so very bad for you. i pray, you see the light, someday. jeri msbusybody

  • http://www.yahoo.com jerilyn kay [jeri] miller

    this is to all !!! would everyone, PLEASE, put your priorities in order… our planet is in in big trouble, which means humans are in trouble. what is all this hating going to do for your health, besides stress ya’ for no good reason. a very important person has another birthday coming up in a couple of weeks, please think about what that man taught us. thanx, jeri msbusybody HAPPY WINTER AND HOLIDAY DAY SEASON TO ALL OF YOU !!!!!!!

  • James Hallman

    Asian: Apprently you were never an NA member or you would no that we’re not part of the “movement” that is
    generally made up of a bunch of dysfunctional s that
    thinks it’s cool to “Hail Hitler” with tattoos from head to toe.
    What Dr. Pierce refered to as the ‘Elit’ wasn’t so much in
    terms you would define, but simply everyday working class
    people from all socioeconmic levels, who had at least the
    ensight to recognize that our race is endangered, unlike
    the general mass of people who could care less what
    happens beyond their own mailboxs. If you were once a member, you would also know that the NA isn’t a cult.
    The SPLC can hardly be considered a ” Civil Rights -
    organization” for the simple fact that according to them, we
    have no civil rights, and are catagorized based on our skin
    color as ‘oppressors’ and those deserving to be dispossessed of all our political,economic, and cultural
    influence and power. The SPLC is a ‘Cultural Marxist’
    organization working in tantum with hundreds of others
    throughtout this country and could care less about the
    victimization of white people or the violation of their rights.

  • Irv

    “on December 2nd, 2008 at 1:50 pm Why doesn’t the SPLC help whites that are victims of black crimes and black assaults.”

    Come to think if it, I hate say so, but I’ve never ever seen an article on black on white racist assaults on SPLC, and I know there have been lots of them.

    A video showing five blacks beating up on a lone 13 year old white kid was shown all over the T.V. stations a while back, plus several others that I didn’t take note of then. It was an obvious case of racial hate.

    Not condemning those just encourages them, doesn’t it? I mean, bringing them to light will put others on notice that what they’re doing is wrong.

    Pretending the problem doesn’t exist won’t put a stop to all racism will it?

  • Aslan Maskhadov

    Hallman, who do you think you’re talking to here? I was a member of the NA, I was in the “movement” for four years. You’re not going to fool anyone here into thinking that the NA is anything more than a handfull of people, mainly Gliebe and a couple others trying to milk a few more precious dollars out of naive supporters like you. I wonder if you have even MET any NA members in person. You seem like some guy who just ran across their website and joined online.

    You also apparently don’t even know your own organization’s ideology. You claim it appeals to the “ordinary working class”, when in face Pierce’s ideology was decidedly, and quite openly, anti working-class. Remember, they were going after the “elite”. Of course how things really turned out are another matter.

    Let me give you a little tip about the NA. As long as you support the cult, they will defend you. If you question them or turn against them, they will slander you to no end(assuming you stay in the movement). Better stay on Gliebe’s good side.

  • James Hallman

    Don’t believe all that garbage about the NA being down and out. The SPLC only wants to direct attention to those hoppist who like playing soldier boy walking around yelling ‘Hail Hitler’ when they don’t have a clue as to what the National Socialist idea is really all about. That or all those dysfunctional groups made-up of drug addicts, drunks, or criminals with low IQ’s , the sort that’s going to get media attention and serve the SPLC’s purpose of getting people afraid of some rapid skinhead run amok.
    What the SPLC and other jewish organization really fear is the NA that appeals to ordinary working class white people who have the intelligence and self-discipline to organize into a real fighting force. This is why the SPLC and others
    are attemping to relegate us to obscurity but it isn’t working. The NA’s membership is greater now than ever, and continues to be the best organized and longest lasting racelist organization in America. Where others come and go, our worldview and mission remains. So don’t be fooled by all that jewish propaganda you read.

  • Jerry Johnson

    splc is worth millions. IKA worth very little. Who is ripping off who for profit???????

  • Aslan Maskhadov

    Gee Hallman, how many members does your NA have left? It must be down to you and Gliebe. Good thing you mentioned Pierce, he certainly fits in a topic about WN leaders living off of other people’s money. And as for “The Great One”, that title is reserved for Wayne Gretzky, who was far more successful in his career than Adolf “I turned my country in to a smoking crater” Hitler.

  • http://www.natall.com James Hallman

    Yes BumbleBee , Hitler did hate socialist. Contrary to
    what many may think, Hitler believed in private ownership,
    and privately owned industry. He didn’t relagate the
    individual to that of a mere cog in a machine like the
    communist but valued the personality.The socialism
    in National Socialism unfortunately confuses many of
    those who are unaware of Nazi ideology, as their
    socialism is about a new social order based on race
    rather than class.

  • Tor

    David Duke ripped off his klan group, too. I was surprised that no retaliation occurred from them. And there Duke is, in Palm Beach County, Florida, supporting another hater –
    the top item in this week’s hatewatch. Duke used some of the money for facial reconstruction to look more Aryan than he actually is.

  • harold

    this is just ridiculous. peoeple need to wake up and smell the coffe. there are some people who are trying to get past the fact of race and inequality but we have crazy people who keep us from gettin past that. we have crazy people who believe that we should go back to the ideas of the confederacy, the nazi’s, and people who believe that if you are not white, your just a discrace. what makes them even more crazy is that they try to use the bible to justify it. i’m glad we have organizaations like the splc that keep these people in check and keep them from hurting anybody else. lastly we as americans have to ask ourselves what has happened to our counrty? when the world looks at america, what do they see? do they see a country that has finally elected an african american as president and has taken a step against racism, or do they look at a country that has elected a leader, but not so happy about it.

  • http://www.yahoo.com jerilyn kay [jeri] miller

    like i’ve said, some people will do anything for money. monetary gains from hatred and violence toward other peoples is just plain ‘blood money’. i pray everyday to God to please enlighten these persons. jeri msbusybody

  • GENO

    BumbleBee, that’s why the WN movement was a hoax from the start(George Lincoln Rockwell`s ANP).

  • BumbleBee

    James you do realize that Hitler hated Socialist right?

    The Nazi were extreme right wing and the Socialist extreme left wing.

  • James Hallman

    The SPLC continues to aid the National Alliance in
    bringing home those racelist with enough intelligence
    to realize that they had gotten in with the wrong crowd
    in joining the Klan and now need to join a real organization
    of working -class Americans willing to grasp the National
    Socialist idea as created by the ‘Great One’ Adolf Hitler
    and clarified by Dr, William Pierce.

  • BumbleBee

    I did not expect to find such a great amount of dissent on this site considering what it is called. Which leads to my question….

    Why go post on a site in which your opinion means nothing? Is that not pointless?

    But back to the real point…
    There are few people in this country who could honestly admit that the Justice System is broken. Not just along rcial lines but political and relgious.

  • GENO

    Bobo, I think its because “Whites” have more resources and advantages than a non-White. In the justice system, the White Man is favored over more often than likely, especially when it comes to jury trials, which are usually made up of “White” people. If a non-White commits the exact same crime as the White Man, the non-White often times will receive harsher and much longer sentences than his “White” counterpart. Which is why the SPLC helps the unfortunate to seek fair and reasonable Justice such as in the case of Gruver. And the White Man are not so unfortunate.

  • Aslan Maskhadov

    Ah yes, because everyone knows that the only thing worse than getting murdered, is getting murdered by a black guy right?

    This case revolves around an organization and a hate crime- in other words, the victim was chosen because of his race. Taking down groups like the IKA actually helps “white” people as well, if not moreso, since whites who get involved with such groups are more likely to face violence if not death at the hands of their comrades than anyone outside the movement.

  • Bobo

    Why doesn’t the SPLC help whites that are victims of black crimes and black assaults. This is why no one really believes the mission of the SPLC. They are a racist, divisive organization.

  • Aslan Maskhadov

    “The IKA is about one man and one man only—and that’s Ron Edwards,” Cowles said on the witness stand. “It’s about his greed, his want to have money, his desire to get by without working, his desire to trick people into giving him money to support him.”

    I like this paragraph, you could replace Ron Edwards and IKA with virtually any WN leader and organization.

  • GENO

    As pathetic as it sounds, this Klan movement is a bloddy shame. I’m not sure how Edwards is gonna raise any monies to pay off a large debt owed to the victim. I wonder if this is becoming a trend in the leadership of the WN movement? Skimming their members for the sole purpose of taking care of themselves rather than for their own “cause”. Its not the first time a WN leader has ripped his own people off. It happened before, almost copiously.