Comments on: Behind the Bishop: The Anti-Semitism of the SSPX http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2009/02/26/behind-the-bishop-the-anti-semitism-of-the-sspx/ Hatewatch is a blog of the Southern Poverty Law Center Fri, 02 Aug 2013 15:12:45 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.1 By: Chris Elliott http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2009/02/26/behind-the-bishop-the-anti-semitism-of-the-sspx/comment-page-1/#comment-1751446 Chris Elliott Sun, 31 Mar 2013 07:27:35 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2009/02/26/behind-the-bishop-the-anti-semitism-of-the-sspx/#comment-1751446 Archbishop Lefebvre was a missionary in Gabon from 1935 to 1945, how could he have supported Vichy France? Also, his father Rene died in a labour camp? SPLC manages to bend the truth once again to suit their agenda, which is anything but equality and an end to bigotry.

]]> By: Jeff Davis http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2009/02/26/behind-the-bishop-the-anti-semitism-of-the-sspx/comment-page-1/#comment-138226 Jeff Davis Thu, 07 Jan 2010 06:38:01 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2009/02/26/behind-the-bishop-the-anti-semitism-of-the-sspx/#comment-138226 The SSPX has real problems with anti-Semitism. No question.

But one side-note about Robert Sungenis. He’s a lone extremist who works out of the basement in his house from what I’ve been told. He picked the name “international” to make him sound like something much more than he is. He’s not the leader of a “group.” That description gives him way too much clout.

]]> By: Dolorosa http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2009/02/26/behind-the-bishop-the-anti-semitism-of-the-sspx/comment-page-1/#comment-136538 Dolorosa Sat, 26 Dec 2009 18:04:40 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2009/02/26/behind-the-bishop-the-anti-semitism-of-the-sspx/#comment-136538 Check out this interview:

http://www.spiegel.de/internat.....23,00.html

]]> By: Dominic McCaffrey http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2009/02/26/behind-the-bishop-the-anti-semitism-of-the-sspx/comment-page-1/#comment-82082 Dominic McCaffrey Fri, 20 Mar 2009 21:02:34 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2009/02/26/behind-the-bishop-the-anti-semitism-of-the-sspx/#comment-82082 What gives the SPLC the right to tell the SSPX what to believe?!? The jews commited the evil act of deicide and that is much worse than this holocaust. Its not a ‘hate crime’ to deny Stalins murder of 20 million, now WHY IS THAT? It is not a ‘hate crime’ to deny that Polish Catholics died in your holocaust, WHY is that? Pray that the perfidious Jews finally have the veil taken away from their hearts and accept Jesus Christ, without Whom there is NO salvation.

]]> By: beaxdom miss http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2009/02/26/behind-the-bishop-the-anti-semitism-of-the-sspx/comment-page-1/#comment-81152 beaxdom miss Sun, 15 Mar 2009 07:47:45 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2009/02/26/behind-the-bishop-the-anti-semitism-of-the-sspx/#comment-81152 thats a pretty church.i dint know the jews hated catholics.im worried about this maddof and others gettin the jews in trouble.im catholic and you can come down here any time.seems the baptist arnt being blamed for anything .i feel guilty about all kind a stuff.what do i file this under.

]]> By: Snaggle-Tooth Jones http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2009/02/26/behind-the-bishop-the-anti-semitism-of-the-sspx/comment-page-1/#comment-80113 Snaggle-Tooth Jones Tue, 10 Mar 2009 02:49:56 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2009/02/26/behind-the-bishop-the-anti-semitism-of-the-sspx/#comment-80113 A beautiful church, that one, a church that exudes both holiness and gravitas.

Unlike anything that transpires here.

Reminds me of St. Mary’s Anglican Catholic Church in Denver:

http://www.dpsw.org/stmarys01.jpg

Soli Deo Gloria.

]]> By: Lisa Thaviu http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2009/02/26/behind-the-bishop-the-anti-semitism-of-the-sspx/comment-page-1/#comment-79882 Lisa Thaviu Mon, 09 Mar 2009 02:19:15 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2009/02/26/behind-the-bishop-the-anti-semitism-of-the-sspx/#comment-79882 In response to the person who asked about Jews. It’s a difficult question to answer as to what, exactly, is a Jew. Our tradition of questioning everything has led to people who identify as Jews who are agnostics or atheists. So, I would say it is more of a cultural identification with many of us. I am married to a non-Jew, so we celebrate some non-Jewish holidays (but not Easter – I just don’t feel comfortable with Easter). Not all Jews are “Zionists” either. (Ironically, many ultra-Orthodox Jews are anti-Zionists because they believe the Messiah will return the Jews to Isreal and that Jews should not go there until the Messiah returns.) I don’t have any idea what the percentages are. At this point, there are Zionists with opinions that range the spectrum as well. Many Jews (including me) do not agree with the path the Israeli government seems to be taking. This multiplicity of opinions is a constant in Judaism – my daughter and I have joked that anyone who knows even a few Jews would know that there can’t be a “Jewish conspiracy” because it’s doubtful there is any group of more than 3 Jews that could agree on anything! (And if they could, there’s no way they could keep it a secret!) When you consider the many cultures in which Jews exist, what is surprising is the religious ties they do have.

]]> By: Lisa Thaviu http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2009/02/26/behind-the-bishop-the-anti-semitism-of-the-sspx/comment-page-1/#comment-79880 Lisa Thaviu Mon, 09 Mar 2009 02:01:26 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2009/02/26/behind-the-bishop-the-anti-semitism-of-the-sspx/#comment-79880 In response to the French gentleman – the reason many Jews went to Poland was because they were invited to move there by the king. Many Jews went to other Catholic countries in which the Inquisition was less severe. The Spanish Inquisition was not controlled by Rome. It was the only Inquisition that existed apart from the Vatican’s Inquisition. I have nothing against religious Catholics (including my husband’s family). However, dogmatic Catholics such as Williamson seem to have a fixed belief that 51% of the population (women) should be subject to men, and that everyone who does not believe what they believe is somehow less human and are heading for Hell (in the case of the Spanish Inquisition, they were willing to help them get there early). Orthodox Jews and other religious extremists have the same case of testosterone poisoning and inherent fear of those who are different. This is a far cry from being merely religious. Its the difference between controlling by good example and controlling by fear.

]]> By: John P. Curry http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2009/02/26/behind-the-bishop-the-anti-semitism-of-the-sspx/comment-page-1/#comment-79771 John P. Curry Sun, 08 Mar 2009 11:33:56 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2009/02/26/behind-the-bishop-the-anti-semitism-of-the-sspx/#comment-79771 Can you answer some questions which I and which probably many others have.
1. I presume (and may be wrong) a Jew is one who practices the Hebrew religion. I know many who claim to be Jewish but who are not practising the Hebrew religion (according to them). But they have in the past, possibly from their youth.
2. If a Jew is one who has been or is currently practising the Hebrew religion, is he (or she) a Zionists? If not what is the difference between a Jew and a Zionist and what approximate percentage of Jews are Zionists. For example is is possible to be a Zionist and not be Jewish? If so, what approximate percentage of Zionists are not Jewish?

I have often wondered about this and hope you can clear this up for me.

Thank you.

]]> By: Chaim Lehman, Strasbourg, France http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2009/02/26/behind-the-bishop-the-anti-semitism-of-the-sspx/comment-page-1/#comment-79480 Chaim Lehman, Strasbourg, France Fri, 06 Mar 2009 14:47:22 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2009/02/26/behind-the-bishop-the-anti-semitism-of-the-sspx/#comment-79480 Stop the Black Legend against Spain, above here. The Spanish Inquisition was not what English and Puritan propaganda made of it. The Jews expelled from Spain in 1492, all left for Portugal, ór for the Papal States, and others went to Croatia and Hungary. Why did all Jews live in very Catholic Poland and Austria, if pre-Vatican II Catholics were “that hateful”? Why? Because in reality the anti-Catholic version of history is as evil as the antisemitic version of history made by certain others in the late 19th century, and by the first antisemite (and anti-Christian) Voltaire. Christians and Jews must be friends! In France, I as a Jew, am friends with several traditionalist Catholics. They are principled and great people, who love their families, their country, Europe. Some are even huge Israel supporters. Things are not black and white and one-sided!

]]> By: Chaim Lehman, Strasbourg, France http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2009/02/26/behind-the-bishop-the-anti-semitism-of-the-sspx/comment-page-1/#comment-79479 Chaim Lehman, Strasbourg, France Fri, 06 Mar 2009 14:43:44 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2009/02/26/behind-the-bishop-the-anti-semitism-of-the-sspx/#comment-79479 I find this article highly biased. I know two elderly priests of the SSPX associated to them, they are both friends of Msgr. Ducaud-Bourget, and during WW2 were in anti-Nazi French Resistance. One of them has a Yad Vashem medal. Just because some individuals believe they must blame Jews, does not mean all of these conservative Roman Catholic Christians do this. The SPLC should be more objective and not try to push its own world view by falsely accusing the Society of St. Pius X, whom I know perfectly from Paris and Strasbourg. My cousin, a rabbi from Nantes, spoke at their university faculty at the Sorbonne, and talked with their priests. The father of Archbishop Lefebvre (who was not “pro-Nazi”, but a bit naive on Vichy government, as he was in peaceful colonial Africa at that time) was in French Resistance and helped several Jews escape to safe Spain. But Falangist Spain of Franco is probably “antisemitic” to the SPLC too. However the fact remains, that for me as a Jew, I do not think the SPLC is doing a good job. By demonizing conservative Roman Catholic people, honest people, and allying with leftist radicals, SPLC is harming Jewish-Catholic reconciliation. I am good friends with traditionalists. I do not want a dictatorship of relativism. Our Jewish favourite, good Austrian Emperor Franz-Joseph, was a pious “reactionary” Catholic, but a great man for my Jewish ancestors in what is now Romania. He favoured the Jews and opposed antisemitism. Some Protocols and Henry Ford literature among some lay supporters, do not represent this organization as a whole. As a French Jew, I demand the SPLC correct their one-sided report on this FSSPX organization. Tolerance for all! Also for Catholic conservatives!

]]> By: Lisa Thaviu http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2009/02/26/behind-the-bishop-the-anti-semitism-of-the-sspx/comment-page-1/#comment-78165 Lisa Thaviu Sun, 01 Mar 2009 00:31:43 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2009/02/26/behind-the-bishop-the-anti-semitism-of-the-sspx/#comment-78165 The Inquisition persecuted and burned not only Morranos, but “Moriscos” (secret Muslims) with equal ferocity. It was a shame for the Jews, the Muslims and the Spanish, because it ended the “Golden Age” of Spain, during which the Jews and Muslims cooperated and both cultures thrived. My own view is that if the Isrealis and Arabs could end their conflicts, both cultures would benefit as a result.
If you think about, the countries that accepted the Sephardic Jews, such as Holland, Venice and Poland, enjoyed an era of prosperity, perhaps as a result. I don’t attribute this to some divine favor, but rather, to an influx of educated immigrants who carried with them the seeds of a trading network which Medievil Europe lacked. Spain began its long decline, probably because of the influx of gold from the new world. There were probably no or few Jews with the Conquistadors, because their aim was to grab riches and return to Spain. One would think that this example would teach the rewards of tolerance, but some people prefer to think that every situation must conclude in such a way to benefit themselves alone. My point is that the SSPX’s position is to justify any attrocity so long as it results in the deaths of those they fear. I wonder wht they say about the deaths of the many Polish Catholics during WWII – do they think this was fabricated as well?

]]> By: Carter http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2009/02/26/behind-the-bishop-the-anti-semitism-of-the-sspx/comment-page-1/#comment-78050 Carter Sat, 28 Feb 2009 14:57:42 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2009/02/26/behind-the-bishop-the-anti-semitism-of-the-sspx/#comment-78050 Trolling must be good fun….As it’s done with such vast pluralism in these blogs.

If you do have an interest in the complications & challenges of the “People of The Book”, read:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7888193.stm

Then make a LOGICAL case for one religion being somehow responsible for wrong-doings in totality. No one group of people is in the wrong; we all have an equal share of responsibility in the spread of hate.

]]> By: neoconsarecommies http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2009/02/26/behind-the-bishop-the-anti-semitism-of-the-sspx/comment-page-1/#comment-77776 neoconsarecommies Fri, 27 Feb 2009 06:19:00 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2009/02/26/behind-the-bishop-the-anti-semitism-of-the-sspx/#comment-77776 “Obviously, if the practices of the Inquisition were not horrendous, people would not have risked everything, including their families, to get away”

Either that or the more plausible lust for mayan “geld” as desperados in De Soto’s gang.

“Under the law of the time, the Inquisition had no jurisdiction over non-Christians (although they stripped non-Christians of all possesions and forced them to leave their homes).”

Because they were grave-robbers and early Bernie Madoffs, they were usurers and confidence salesmen just like they are today, society is near that alhambra point once again.

You begrudge the world against your people’s supposed greatness (and individuality and style and medieval GLBT rights before that awful unhip inguisition came along and deprogressed everything for 400 years), so cruel is the world that never recognized your people’s greatness: this is not Christian, you hold on to this Marrano identity and you have no concept of sin, that you are a sinner and that there is no case for pride, any true Christian recognizes sin, not “Chosen” status, not pagan/kabbalah spiritual nonsense, not the changralla that once was, before the evil white christian bigot arrived and cruely threw a few money changers out of a few temples, how hateful.

Neoconservatives, which the SPLC has formed a courtship with, who worship the modern day jews and call for Mecca to be nuked amongst other atrocity cheerleading are the real extremists, but the SPLC is here only to attack goyim. Go. Go form your alliance. Your outreach with these neocons. Because you are a liberal and a neocon is liberal except taking a more liberal approach to the duties of our military. You are pro-war, you are imperialist: reckless wars, this is inescapible, it is written on the flesh of your ideology, judeoliberalism as neoconservatism (adding judeo- to that would be redundant).

An Allah Akbar to my hate-sharing brethern in Iraq, Afganistan, and Palestine.

]]> By: Lisa Thaviu http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2009/02/26/behind-the-bishop-the-anti-semitism-of-the-sspx/comment-page-1/#comment-77695 Lisa Thaviu Thu, 26 Feb 2009 23:29:31 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2009/02/26/behind-the-bishop-the-anti-semitism-of-the-sspx/#comment-77695 The SSPX hasn’t cleaned up enough. Having read your artucle on the SSPX, I went to their website and, in a matter of seconds, was able to find an article defending the Spanish Inquisition on the basis that the Marranos, or secret Jews, were all set to take over Spain, but that the Inquisition prevented greater bloodshed. They claim that the descriptions of the murders of individuals are imaginary and that the numbers of victims were imaginary. As a member of a family that includes Spanish and Portugese refugees to this country in its ancestry, I think the SSPX needs to ask itself what kind of fear motivation would be needed in order for people to flee to a place completely devoid of any government and likely to be extremely dangerous (as Marranos did when they came to the New World in the 1500′s)? Obviously, if the practices of the Inquisition were not horrendous, people would not have risked everything, including their families, to get away. Further, if the conversion practices of the Catholic Church were not “forced conversions” (as the SSPX has denied – based upon no evidence), then why would the Inquisition exist at all? Under the law of the time, the Inquisition had no jurisdiction over non-Christians (although they stripped non-Christians of all possesions and forced them to leave their homes). It was only when the victims had been baptized (even when it was performed forceably), that the Inquisition was allowed to step in. Obviously, the SSPX’s only talent is to rationalize and justify all actions the Church and others (such as the Nazis) have taken in the past to murder and steal from groups that the SSPX believes are threats to them. I must wonder whether a belief system which must be enforced by these means contains any truths at all. Ironically, if the SSPX is correct in its extreme Catholic, anti-semetic view, do they really think Jesus would be pleased with them if they somehow managed to kill all of the remaining Jews?

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