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Westboro Baptist Church Leader Barred From Entering U.K.
The Kansas City Star
/February 20, 2009
The British government refused to allow Fred Phelps and his daughter, Shirley Phelps-Roper, into the country on the grounds they “incite hatred against a number of communities.”
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on February 26th, 2009 at 12:17 pm
yeah about time
on February 26th, 2009 at 12:46 pm
How awesome would it be if we could take that approach with him when he tries to get back into the US?
on February 26th, 2009 at 1:25 pm
Fine. He asked for it.
on February 26th, 2009 at 1:42 pm
In Canada, Fred Phelps would have been in prison for the hate speech he spews. Too bad we don’t have that law.
on February 26th, 2009 at 3:09 pm
I offered him to one of my Canadian friends. She said thanks but no thanks.
on February 26th, 2009 at 3:51 pm
The only GOOD thing about the Rev. Fred Phelps is that he is now pretty OLD and thus will soon be ready to meet his “maker.” That should be an interesting confrontation.
on February 26th, 2009 at 4:58 pm
“God Hates Fags,” says the so-called Reverend.
I say, “God Hates Hate – and Haters,” and very little else!
If I cane get certain people off my back (actually, my Line – at night, when they keep me awake) for a week or so, I’ll prove it by engaging in a Legal Action against some of the worst of them – perhaps with the SPLCs’ Help!
But then I AM ‘In Good’ with the Big Guy!!!
on February 26th, 2009 at 6:17 pm
Good for the UK. It’s a shame we have our own religious extremists in this country.
on February 26th, 2009 at 8:29 pm
It’s sad that individuals attempt to twist history and not learn from our crimes against humanity……
on February 26th, 2009 at 8:43 pm
Well, we Aussies have the same idea as the Brits cause when he tried to enter Australia to demonstrate at “The Laramie Project”, he was not allowed in Australia as he was not a “person of good character”. Heartbreaking:]
on February 27th, 2009 at 3:24 am
I truly love David’s idea. That would make me very proud.
on February 27th, 2009 at 4:00 am
Interestingly enough, Wilders is on his way over to the US now that he;’s been booted out of the UK. Over at the Atlas Shrugged blog, a far-right hangout, you can read them all fawning and otherwise electing him for sainthood. The difference being of course that hating Muslims is mainstream here, so no problem. And THAT really is a shame. Get over USA.
A canuck
on February 27th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
Geert Wilders is not pandering to a hate movement. He is a revealer of a hate group in his country. He has made clear and specific charges against the Muslim community both in the Netherlands and abroad using their own words. He is no more part of a hate movement thatn the Souther Poverty Law Center is.
on February 27th, 2009 at 5:02 pm
The Reverend Phelps, if we can even call him that, is a person full of hate. I consider myself a Baptist and have been all my life but the church I attend, would not call him a man of God. He also is truly not a man of God, if he were he would know God does not hate anyone, just the sin.
on February 27th, 2009 at 7:06 pm
Well, I do think, that Geert Wilders is part of a hate movement, as are some people in my own homecountry, Denmark. Which make me ashamed of being Danish. Mijnheer Wilders hate people of a different religious group, as much as Phelps hate gay people. It seems to me that they hate what they don´t understand and do not want to try to understand.
on February 28th, 2009 at 12:18 am
Well, Mr. Phelps was a great source of amusement for Silverton, Oregon:
http://barryshap.blogspot.com/.....t-one.html
I am not from Sliverton, so I did not vote for him for their mayor. He is not so pretty, but he does have a good rack, as they say in Silverton. No, they are not talking about the gun rack in his pick-up either.
I have known Stu for a couple of years now. He is intelligent and assertive. He is not as conservative as I would like him to be, but he is a good mayor. He was actually mayor for some time before, quit, and then came back. I think he had to deal with the changes in his body.
Obviously, since he had been mayor before and he did not leave town during the change the people of Silverton chose him for his qualities rather than his gender identification.
It is hard times here and Silverton owes Mr. Phelps by bringing Silverton together… in opposition.
on February 28th, 2009 at 12:35 am
I have been active in every major and virtually every minor human rights movement of past half century. This includes
Black Civil Rights Movement prior to March on Washington as well as the Gay Rights Movement before the Stonewall.
Youngest person to join American Civil Liberties Union at the age of 15 in 1967, I am a First Amendment Absolutist. Voltaire stated: “I may disagree with what you say, but I will defend with my life your right to say it.” If you do not wish to see your free speech repressed by at least state if not society, you may want to think twice about being good German when it comes to silencing free speech of others.
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on February 28th, 2009 at 1:40 am
My dear John Lloyd…. ALL religious groups have extremists, Baptists and Muslims alike. Most Muslims (everyone I know) was deeply saddened by the actions of extremists on 9/11 and the statements made by extremist Muslims since then. I am sorry that you think Mr. Wilders is a “revealer of a hate group”. He’s using fear to target a religion and a culture (not to mention GLBT peoples) and that makes HIM a terrorist. Everything I’ve heard the man say has been hatred, plain and simple. At this moment, I’m very proud to stand with my fellow Brit’s (and Austraila) in rejecting the man.
on February 28th, 2009 at 12:57 pm
I have heard Wilders speak and viewed excerpts of his video. He does not paint all Muslims as part of a hate group, but does reveal the basic tenets used by religious terrorists to justify their murders of innocent civilians.
However, I have also seen videos of murders of men and women in Iran and Iraq. He does not even so so far as to reveal that.
At this point, you cannot convince me that there are many sizeable Islamic hate groups victimizing people throughout the world based on their religious beliefs.
If you do not believe that by the evidence in the US with the first attempt on the Twin Towers, the second on 9/11 that killed as many as died at Pearl Harbor, or the recent beheading in Buffalo, then we will disagree.
The same quality and quantity of evidence the results in a classification at SPLC as being a hate group is actually less than the evidence generated regarding Muslim hate groups.
on February 28th, 2009 at 1:48 pm
MrsCaptJack, I am not your “dear.” The “Westboro Baptist Church” is not submitted to or recognized by any Baptist organization that I know of.
I am far from as ignorant as you suppose. Iran and Syria are state supporters of extremist and terrorist Islamic organizations. We are not dealing with Baptists who hate homosexuals. We are dealing with Muslims who murder them. We are not dealing with wife beaters either when they stone or behead their wives for disobedience and that is part of the justice system.
on February 28th, 2009 at 5:25 pm
Well then, John Lloyd, I shall have to forgo the civilties, since you disapprove.
Regardless of what you may think I suppose, you know nothing of it. Muslim laws are different from our own, as are those in Thailand, China, Russia and virtually every other country on the planet. It is NOT our place to try to change them, whether we disagree with them or not. And please know that I do know a bit about Muslim laws and yes, I too, disagree with many of them. Especially where they pertain to women. That said, my Muslim friends (indeed every Muslim I’ve ever met) were not the ones that supported the terrorists on 9/11 and everyone of them that I asked about 9/11 said they felt unbearable shame that their religion could be interpreted so horribly.
It is customary in many countries for men to beat their wives. Mexico, for instance. Most countries are now doing something about it and slowly making laws to stop the violence that the entire world once felt was justified because a wife was nothing more than property. If you know much about the grassroots movements in Muslim countries you know that they are moving there as well.
on February 28th, 2009 at 6:27 pm
I still believe that Geert Wilders is a hatemonger.
on March 1st, 2009 at 12:20 pm
http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/265887
If being Anti-Jihadist is a hate crime, this site belongs to a hate group.
http://www.splcenter.org/blog/.....-of-islam/
on March 1st, 2009 at 12:59 pm
I can only repeat myself: I don´t like mijnheer Wilders, and I don´t like the reverend Phelps.
on March 1st, 2009 at 1:32 pm
You have become the thing you hate.
on March 2nd, 2009 at 12:50 am
MrsCaptJack,
Is it your position that individuals, groups, communities and
societies of good will should NOT use their good offices to
persuade allies and adversairies alike to change laws and
policies which these entities may think are unjust such as
those which promote hate, violence and war? If so, I
disagree with you. Attempting to persuade others to a
different point of view or influence others to change their
attitdues is not the same as forcing one’s perspectives or
laws upon those others. Also there is a big difference
between anecdotal experience & statistical evidence. The
fact that good may be your or my anecdotal experience
with Muslims — or anybody else for that matter — does not
inform us about common attitudes among Muslims. For
example: virtually all of my Muslim friends are neither anti-
Semitic, anti-female nor anti-Gay. However, there is hard
evidence that the viewpoints of my friends are nowhere
near representative of national laws or social mores in the
overwhelming majority of Muslim nations. You may want
to read some books on the treatment of Christians, Jews,
women and Gays in the Muslim world. This does not
mean that there is not classism, racism, ehtnocentrism,
sexism, ablism, ageism and homophobia elsewhere. But
fact that those injustices exist elsewhere has nothing to
do whether one should oppose it somewhere. For
example: as a male feminist prior to the birth of the
National Organization for women and charter member of
NOW, I would do whatever I could to persuade Mexcians
not to beat their wives. As Martin Luther King, Jr. said:
“an injust anywhere should be an injustice everywhere.”
on March 2nd, 2009 at 1:03 am
Why is it that RW conservatives have such a hard time keeping different groups of people in their head organized on a basis of anything other than their religion? I see someone admit that not all Muslims are terrorists then turn around and declare Muslims violent by virtue of the deeds done by someone else. Look. Extremists are extremists. There’s Muslim ones, Christian ones, Shinto ones, capitalist ones,…on and on and on. Has it never occured to them that the people most angry with the US and Israel may have reasons besides our religion? Shouldn’t the fact that we just finished the Cold War with a billion atheistic communists show quite clearly that there can be different reasons entirely for opposition to the US?
If you would quit taking the word of conservative groups like Wilders’ or Horowitz’s, or swallowing wholesale the nationalist rhetoric of Israel’s Likud and perhaps simply listened to what these groups say about why they do what they do, then all the arguing taking place here would be moot.
For instance, Al Qeada stated quite clearly, long before they hit the WTC, that if GHWBush put US soldiers on their holiest lands (i.e Saudi Arabia) then they would show their gratitude by taking out Saddam H. themselves. If, on the other hand, Bush went ahead then they would strike back very,very hard. Bush did what he did, and Al Queda did what they said they would. The point being that this is as much a territorial issue as it is a religious one.
As for the Israeli/Pali matter, that too is largely a territorial issue. Israelis now occupy the homes, farms and orchards Palestinian families lived on for centuries…even millenia. (read a newspaper from 1951 detailing what REALLY happened, not the garbage you’ve been fed since. http://tinyurl.com/ay6lcm) This is a territorial matter that unfortunately, due the lack of secular attention to it, has given religious extremists a perfect opening to get in their and show how righteous they all are by taking up a matter that we let fester. The fact that the Pali defenders happen to be Muslim is because it would have been resolved by now if they had of been Jewish, would never have happened if they were Christian, nor would the Zionists have dared if they had of been communist.
No no. The problem were all having with each other is more a problem with the behavior of each groups conservatives. Here’s a series of attributes related to the conservative personality:
•Religious dogmatism
•Right-wing political orientation (in Western society)
•Insistence on strict rules and punishments
•Ethnocentrism and intolerance of minority groups
•Preference for conventional art, clothing, and institutions
•Anti-hedonistic outlook (the tendency to regard pleasure, particularly sexual, as necessarily bad)
•Superstition and resistance to scientific progress (Boshier, 1983, p. 51)
•Religion of a dogmatic, fundamental nature
•Commitment to political organizations favoring the status quo (even using force)
•Strict regulation of individual behavior
•Militarism
•Preference for people of one’s own kind
•Resistance to change
•Conventional in art and clothing
•Refusal to accept new ideas
•Superstitious and fatalistic
This is from a government report looking into the matter of criminality and how to go about changing inmates behavior once they are out.http://tinyurl.com/cwsb3c
Another group working for DHS on counter-terrorism also focuses almost exclusively on RW Conservatism as the group from which violence can be most expected. http://tinyurl.com/6gccbq
Look it up yourselves and quit taking each others extremist’s word for why we should hate each other! And Wilders is one of those extremists who pretends he cares about others. Bull! Look it up.
on March 2nd, 2009 at 2:51 am
Scharf says
“The “Westboro Baptist Church” is not submitted to or recognized by any Baptist organization that I know of. ”
And Al Queda is recognized as a mainstream sect? C’mon! Try to keep up here, eh?
As for Iran and Syria… those are two entirely differnmt countries whose population follow completely different branches of Islam, so trying to say they are in on some conspiracy is looney. Like OBL and Saddam, they would just as soon kill each other as look. Why can’t you get it through youyr head that different countries have different people who have different levels of religious fundemntalism, a factor which makes them do different things. Why do you insist that because A is a muslim who kills, then because B is a Muslim, he must kill too. It’s illogical and unreasonable. ON top of which it’s provacative in a way that is sure to be a self-fulfilling prophecy. Normal people, be they Muslimor Christian or Jew, can only take so much BS and threatening behavior from another countries louts before they actually /do/ want to kill them. Why do you think moderate Muslims should have to sit around and listen to you and Wilders threaten them and denounce their religion? “But they started it!!” Did they? Take a look at a map of Israel pripr to 1948? IT says “Palestine” right where Israeli’s now insist Israel always was. How did that happen, huh?
on March 2nd, 2009 at 4:54 am
I don´t think so, as I don´t hate anybody. I might dislike some things and people, but I don´t hate. You see JLS, I have the teory, that hate causes headaches, and I believe, that mijnheer Wilders and consorts have the grandmother of all headaches.
on March 2nd, 2009 at 1:10 pm
Admirial DuPont, I have read plenty of books on the Muslim world, particulary those on the treatment of women. Because I work in a field that puts me in contact with Muslims (and Christian Arabs) from time to time, I feel it is my duty to understand as much of the culture as I can. While I may not like some of their laws, I do not feel that it is my place to try to change them unless they are unjust and even then, it is important to know the reasons why some of these laws were put into place in order to know the mindset behind it. One must understand a thing if one attempts to alter it.
As a decent human being, never mind Christianity or any other religion for a moment, as a human, isn’t it our duty to help others where we can? I’m not talking about forcing help onto people that don’t want it but offering a hand to those who do. I belong to plenty of organizations that do all they can to ease the suffering of women all over the world, including in the Middle East. That said, change only occurs when people want it ~ and many women in the Middle East do not want the changes that Western society brings or even the change that simple ease in the law brings them.
My problem here was exactly as Mycos said above. Firstly, there are plenty of different sects of Muslims and each believe differently, much as Catholics differ from Jehovah’s Witnesses ~ yet each worship the same God. Secondly, there are fanatics in every religion. One must not judge an entire faith based upon the actions of a few fanatics (or several fanatics) who shout that their message is the only way.
on March 2nd, 2009 at 7:19 pm
MrsCaptJack,
I have been trained as ethnologist, am immigration lawyer and spend most of my free time as human rights activist. Thus, I khow all about understanding other cultures. FYI: I was a feminist before birth of National Organiization of Women at time when the majority of American women -were opposed to their own equal rights. But guess I should have stayed out of the way since there were reasons for the laws supported by US women & men.
Despite contradicting yourself, we apprarently agree about
duty to help others. A member of both a US a/w/a Israeli group trying to bring Palestinians and Jews together, I realize people will not chanage unless it is their desire..
Jewish by ethnnicity, Christian by faith and Buddhist by spirituality, I have twelve godchildren: 3 Jews, 3 Catholics, 3 Protestants, 2 Buddhists and 1 Hindu, I have plenty of Muslim friends and know all about different sects.
For the moment, let us forget about fanaticism & terrorism.
5,000 years ago, Jews felt it was their God given duty to kill those who were not members of the tribe. Given that one who.did not share this view was a bad Jew, most did.
But those attitudes and behaviors were left behind 5,000 years ago. Prior to 500 years ago, Christians felt that it was their God given duty to bring others to salvation — even if that meant killing infidels. Given that one who did not share this view was bad Christian, most did. Muslims feel that it is their God given duty to briing others to paradise — even if that means killing infidels. Given that one who does not does not share this view is bad Muslim, most do. If Muslims can do so without killing others they will; but if not they are obliged to do otherwise. This has nothing to do with fanaticism, terrorism or sects.
.. . .
on March 2nd, 2009 at 7:50 pm
Whille Israelis arguably pose a threat to Palestinians and
Irranians, Jews do not advocate wiping all Muslims off face
of the earth. For example:. Israelis have no designs on
Muslims of Bangladesh, Egypt, Indonesia, Iraq, Jordan,
Kuwait, Lebanon, Morroco, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia,
Turkey, United Arab Emirates or elsewhere..
While Catholiics and Protestants may pose threat to one
another in Northern Island and Christians may pose threat
to Musllims iin Serbo-Croatia, Christians do not advocate
wiping all Muslims off the face of the earth.
While Hindus may pose threat to Muslims in Pakistan,
Hindus do not advocate wiping alll Muslims off the face of
the earth..
Secular Chinese, Buddhist Burmese, Buddhist Filipinos,
Buddhist Thais and Hindu East Indians all feel threatened
by Muslims in their midst. Many Christian Africans feel
threatened by Muslims on the continent. Many Christian
English, French, Germans and Spaniards feel threatened
by Muslims in their midst. Many Jew feel threatened by Muslims througout the world both in midst and abroad…
All of above fears pre-existed terrorism and have nothing to do with fanaticism. On the other hand, Canadians and Americans do not so much feel threatened by Muslims ini their midst as they do Muslims from abroad. Perhaps those fears can be attiributed to the fanaticism of some and the terrorism of a few.
Women and Gays within the Arab and Muslim world feel more threatened by Muslims then they do by intolerant Jews, Christians, Buddhists and Hindus in universe.
If you have not read:the Hindu Salman Rushidie’s “Satanic Verses,” you may benefit from doing so. There are also many scholarly works on the subject including some written by Muslims in the United States and elsehere.
Does this mean all Muslims like hatred, viiolence, war, fanaticism or terrorism. No. What is does mean is that the majority of Muslims in the modern world have yet to come to same conclusiont as majority of Jews, Christians, Buddhists and HIndus in the modern world when it comes to NOT wiping other religiions off the face of the earth! , .
on March 2nd, 2009 at 7:56 pm
Corrections: “Iranians”; “Morocco”; “Muslims of Serbo”;
“Catholic” Filipinos; Many Jews; same conclusion.
on March 3rd, 2009 at 4:05 am
Well, Admiral, it appears that we shall have to disagree because what you know and what I know appear to be different things, which is not to say that both of them are not absolutely true.
As for contradicting myself, I don’t believe I did. This country is not the “boss” of the world. What right has this country to go in to change another’s laws, unless and until that country asks for help? If they want help, by all means I will do what I can to help. Wasn’t it Ghandi who said “be the change you wish to see in the world”.
on March 3rd, 2009 at 1:00 pm
MrsCsptJack
Yor contradicted yourself when in the first place you said
that we shoud stay out of other people’s business and
in second place say “it is our Christian duty to be helpful.”
I have been Gandhian pacifist since time knows not to the
contrary which is to say as soon as I could talk — so you
have no argument there.
I also became anti-Viet war activist at age of 11 in 1963.
Quaker at age of 13 in 1965 and conscientious objector
at age of 16 in 1968 and anti-Iraq War activist at start.
Also became civil rights activist b4 MOW, feminist before NOW, GLBT activist before Stonewall and disability
rights activist before DIA or DSBA. In addition, I organized for UFW as well AIM among many other organizations..
I was active in combattng fratricide in: Burma, Cambodia, and China; Rwanda, Ethiopia, and Nigeria; Argentina, Peru and Columbia; Greece, Hungary, Poland, Northern Ireland and Serbo-Croatia — to name a few foreign countries where I intervened in law and politics through social witness as well as social justice activities.
In being “the change you wish to see in the world,” Gandhi interfered with laws in South Africa for the purpose of ending apartheid.
Gandhi’s point was that in order to tranform the world one
must first transform oneself — not to never do anything to
transform the world!
Thus, one may want to become anti-racist b4 attempting
to end apartheid or anti-war to end Iraq war or anti-fanatic
to end religious fanaticism, anti-terror in general to end
terrorism in particular or anti-decimation by anyone (such
as Israelis and Palestinians) of another to end fratricide. .
A follower of Gandhi, Martin Luther King, Jr said that : “an
injustice anywhere is an injustice everywhere.
Thus King injected himself into the politics of Cuba, India,
and Hungary. He talked about how the current generation
should be concerned about changing status quo in Cuba,
Guatemala, Peru, Venezuela, China, Thailand, Cambodia,
Mozambique, South Africa, Germany, Russia and
Switzerland — to name a few countries of concern to him.
We Quakers, Gandhian pacifists and followers of King,
Mandela, Chavez, Suu Kyi and Bayard Rustin do not
believe in simply sitting back and letting things happen.
We believe it is our duty both to bear social witness
anywhere and to create social justice everywhere.
That is the real difference between passive people like
yourself and nonviolent passive resistant human rights
activists like Gandhi, Rustin, King and myself.
on March 3rd, 2009 at 6:08 pm
You completely mis-characterize “helping” when you conflate it with interfering, intervening, or even invading despite whether or not the reason given was to enforce human rights. Far too often that claim has been made for an operation that it turns out, years later, was merely another ruse to get boots on the ground thereby expanding the already massively long list of US FOBs.
And you should know Admiral. Because the only way to make sense of that long list of human rights causes you claim to have been present PLUS be the sort of person who uses a military title as a nym, is to suppose that you were there as a UN peacekeeper, in the National Guard, or some other story that you haven’t been completely forthright about. Because I’ll tell you this with 100% certainty, and that’s that NO-ONE who considers themselves a liberal Ghandian pacifist would ever think of using that as an alias. Never, never, never. And the reason why you don’t know that is because of the conservative inability to see the world through the eyes of others.
To put it more bluntly, “Conservatism is not the doctrine of the intellectual elite or of the more intelligent segments of the population, but the reverse. By every measure available to us, conservative beliefs are found most frequently among the uniformed, the poorly educated, and the less intelligent”. Those are the words contained on a report initiated by Oklahoma Justice authorities.
As for the terrorist threat, DHS has similarly focused on RW conservatism as the source of most politically motivated violence: “Basic social, cognitive, and motivational differences may also explain why extreme right-wing movements are typically obsessed with purity, cleanliness, hygiene, structure, and order( )and why religious fundamentalism is so attractive to right-wing parties and followers in just about every nation stretching from North America to the Middle East.”
In a nutshell, what’s happening is that their conservatives are frightened and scared into an aggressive posture by our conservatives who also feel like they are merely defending against the other sides lunatics. That leaves the rest of us having to clean up the mess after each others RW conservatives each have a go at each other, all feeling justified and so self-righteous they could never be wrong. Think again. Terrorism isn’t the problem, it’s that we and other cultures put up with RWC when in fact we should be marginalizing them as the social misfits they are. OBL is a RWCs. So is Wilders. So is the KKK, Pat Robertson and the nutjobs in the GOP and those bombing abortion clinics during the day and hunting Mexicans along the border at night. All have sick, twisted minds.
on March 3rd, 2009 at 10:33 pm
Admiral, I never said it was our “Christian duty” to do anything. I said it was our HUMAN duty to help if someone asked for it. Do not mix my words or assume that I am “Christian” or any one religion. As Ghandi also said “I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians so much.” But then you should know this since you’re the resident expert on all things everywhere that have ever been done, ever. Wow, you must be tired from being such a hero.
As Mycos has again so elequently said, you’re so busy posting your resume’ here and thumping your chest about all your alleged accomplishments, you’re missing the point of my statements (and most others) entirely.
Mycos, for your comments at 6:08pm on March 3rd, please don’t take offense (as I’m sure JLS would) if I say I love you. You have understood exactly what I meant and explained it in words that maybe even the Admiral will finally get.
on March 4th, 2009 at 2:56 am
Mycos,
Just goes to show your general ignorance compounded by
ad hominem argument the meaning of which is probably
beyond the comprehension of one who attacks the person
making argumennt instead of making a logical argument.
My grandfather founded waiter’s uinion in NYC and all my
aunts & uncles have been labor and civil rights organizers.
My father was Dr. King’s lawyer and represented Joseph
Lowery in US Supreme Court.. My mother organized
women during World War II when my parents protested
internment of Japanese.
My sister was an active member of the Congress of Racial
Equality and my brother was a Freedom Rider — two of
whose friends were lynched in Mississippi.
My cousins have all been involved in the human rights
movement in one way or another.
When I was 16, I informed the Selective Service System
not to bother drafting me because I could not,would not
and should not serve in the military in any capacity.– even
in a support role such as that of as a medic. I told SSS
that I would go to jail before I would serve in military.
FYI: I was one of few Whites at Ms. Rosa Parks funeral in
Washington DC where Admiral Dupont is name of nearby
apartment building. .N.B. Among other personages: I have
been personally acquainted with Jesse Jackson of SCLC,
Cesar Chavez of UFW, Russel Means of AIM, Bella Abzug
of NOW, Cleve Jones of Names Project AIDS Quilt and Ira
Glasser of ACLU — for all of whom I have worked..
Personally acquainted with SPLC founder Morris Dees —
who has called me one of the greatest unsung heroes in
the human rights movement of the past 50 years. FYI:
my name is inscribed on the SPLC Wall of Tolerance..
What about you? What have you ever done to help anyone? You are clealy unbalanced person whose only talent is irrational ranting and raving.
In my family, the Democratic Party is considered to be a
right wing organization; except for me — most, most of family also considers the ACLU.to be a right wing. ..
You clearly have no understanding of satyrgraha which is
the underlying principle of Gandhian nonviolent passive
resistance. This philosophy was reinforced in my life by
Gay Black Quaker Bayard Rustin. Rustin was mentor to
then Christian Civil Rights Activist Martin Luther King who
knew nothing about pacifism prior to King’s meeting Rustin.
I will not tell you what I really think of you because I do not wish to get kicked off the site of an organization of which I have been member for more than 25 years. …
on March 4th, 2009 at 10:12 am
MrsCaptJack
I do not presume you are a Christian for whatever you are it is prettfy clear that you are not a follower of either Jesus or Gandhi or Kiig or any other paciifist which is your right. Personally,I do not defend fanatics what ever religiion or non-religiion they may be. And I am not selective in defending people.as are you.
Mycos attacked me personally, but I guess your thanking him just goes to show that you are passive “good German” who sees noithing,,hears nothing and knows nothing” when other people are being repressed, suppressed or oppressed. .
No, I am not tired of doing the family business of human rights for which SPLC Founder Morris Dees has thanked me on more than one occasion. If you were not so lazy and passive maybe I could take a rest. But that does not appear to be the case.for most people like yourself.
Yes! By your doing nothnig, I get it that Mycos and you are defenders of the fanatiics you like and opponents of those you do not like. You are a hypocrite who believes in double standards supported by lack of consistency.i
on March 4th, 2009 at 12:50 pm
So by taking the time to read half a dozen comments posted on this website you presume to know that I am a “good German” (hate speech anyone?). You presume that I am “lazy and passive” and a “defender of fanatiics (sic)”. And finally, you call me a “hypocrite who believes in double standards supported by lack of consistency.” You presume too much.
Your attempt to incite me to anger here only proves what I started to think about post number three of yours ~ you’re a pompous sour puss who can’t tolerate any anyone’s way of thinking except his own. For your own presumptions (which are far too much and dead wrong), for your blatant posting of a hugely padded resume’ and finally, for your incessent chest thumping, I hereby demote you to petty officer, first class. Dismissed.
on March 4th, 2009 at 1:52 pm
Admiral,
Every post your resume seems to get even longer. And what a resume it is! I would be proud to have attended even 1/4 of the historic events you bore witness to and yet I don’t see your name anywhere. Please allow us to judge your veracity for ourselves by revealing your whole name. For a person willing to face the battles you have, I’m sure there should be no problem with that. Is there?
on March 4th, 2009 at 4:24 pm
MrsCaptJack
When we agreed to disagree I had no problem with that,
but this was not good enough for you.
Mycos
I have nothing to prove for you. There are many unsung
herores of the human rights movement.
By definition, there must be more unknown followers than
well known leaders..
Even great hero like SPLC founder Morris Dees is not well
known outside certain sectors of human rights movement..
I have nothing to prove for you or anybody else. The
people in the Movement — including Dees — know me.
I have letters from Dees & others a/w/a my name engraved
on the Wall of Tolerance and this is all that matters to me.
on March 4th, 2009 at 8:37 pm
Mrs. CaptJack
Btw. When I look back at my previous statement, I realize it might seem like I was chiding you over that declaration of love. No such thing! I took it in the spirit it was meant. I was actually thinking of making a reference to your chosen nym “Mrs.Capt. Jack” and I should have said “Mrs, Jack? I’m sure Mr. Jack is proud”…and referring to your overall words and insight into having also detected the identity of our pseudo-Ghandi-wannabe.
on March 6th, 2009 at 3:30 am
Thanks, Mycos. I’ve enjoyed your comments on this and other posts as well.