I just love how SPLC embellishes all these silly things in its reports. Do we care about a gay prostitute or chi-brew Epstein being formative members of the group? And why are people who are merely concerned about overly-rapid changes to their culture and don’t conform to SPLC’s overtly left-wing social agenda automatically “white supremacist” or “far-right?”

I’ve got news for you: this “nationalist” is black. This “nationalist” is tired of the radical left posing as “anti-racists” selling our country as well as much of the Christian, Western world out to Islamists and a system that only benefits corporations while destroying our indigenous national and cultural heritage.

I think SPLC did important work in taking down the Klan and other terrorists, but bashing conservatives and nationalists really isn’t productive.

Gonzalez, Epstein (who is also half asian.) Do these sound like the names of White Nationalists?

Give me a break

Morris Dees, when are you going to stop exploiting race, hate and class conflict for your own profit? You are the biggest fraud known, since you don’t mend fences but profit from exploiting the minor splinters in the wood you can find.

Maybe you could lead by example? Start by being tolerant towards those you presently label as “haters”. Show how its done. Show you can understand them and accept them. You want others to accept gays, how about you accepting skinheads?

You did in the Klan (you and many others), and now you’ve discovered a business model which has provided you a handsome income. Profiting from hate.

I guess to keep the business in the black, you have to define everything as “hate”. You and your employees, the true haters who work for you, have become irrelevant. Racism is a two way street. Your failure to notice this major fact is your own indictment.

Why would American University and George Mason allow hate groups like this to try and form on their campuses?

Maybe when they’re done with being Youth for Western Civilization they can graduate to HIST102, Western Civ II, where they might learn the errors of their nasty ways.

@ VV, re: “You want others to accept gays, how about you accepting skinheads?”

You’ve got to be kidding. Because violent racist skinheads who terrorize and kill people (including their own members) are just like gay people who totally mind their own business are are like anyone else except for being gay.

Curious you spend time responding to the “irrelevant” SPLC.

Worth watching out for is the prospect of the so-called “Youth for Western Civilisation” embracing much the same doctrines and disciplines of the Hitler Jugend (“Hitler Youth”) movement in Nazi Germany, membership in which was compulsory (and remember, Hitler wanted to see youth being “like beasts of prey” in service to the Greater Nazi Agenda).

Especially when it turns out that they have young girls’ and womens’ branches modelled on the Bund Deutscher Madel (“League of German Maidens,” essentially the girls’ branch of the Hitler Jugend) and Glaube und Schoenheit (“Faith and Beauty,” essentially a “finishing school” of sorts for Bund Deutscher Madel alumnae).

hey ‘black/white nationalist’: (if there is ever such an animal in existence !)

You mention the radical left is selling out the ‘Christian, Western world out to Islamists and a system that only benefits corporations while destroying our indigenous national and cultural heritage’ 00 etc.

1) When did ‘corporations’ become associated with radical leftists ?
2) Ever since when did the US become a ‘Christian’ nation ?
3) Indigeneous culture ? That should the Native americans / or the Clovis people. Definitely not the ‘White and White-wannabe Christofascists’.

We won the election. Deal with it. You will be a political and ideological minority for the next half century by the time we make sure that Ronald Reagan is remembered only as a third rate failed movie actor.

- Love and kisses from a brown skinned, asian immigrant with a PhD in engineering and 6 figure salary job in a multinational. :)

I’ve had the opportunity to meet with Kevin on many occasions, and the guy always struck me as bizarre and creepy. He’s one of those guys you occasionally meet in conservative circles who looks like he wandered in off the streets (unkept, unshaven, no idea how to dress himself) and is obsessed with the most ridiculous and radical issues.

Kevin is close friends with Kyle Bristow, the student who founded the extremist Michigan State chapter of Young Americans for Freedom. Kevin’s Facebook profile says that he’s the “Executive Director” of the national Young Americans for Freedom organization.

Kevin and Marcus Epstein are also close friends with Jared Taylor, and I believe that both are active in Council of Conservative Citizen meetings (at least I know Marcus is).

If you’re looking for sources of funding, look no further than The Leadership Institute (which employs and has employed an alarming number of very radical young people). I also bet that the group is getting funding from donors who have money to The American Cause and Team America PAC. Epstein was the executive director of both.

Just what the hell is “Western Civilization” anyway? It’s just an old, out-dated imperialist myth. Utterly meaningless.

It sounds more like a Jewish conspiracy to me with *Marcus Epstein* and *Jack Abramoff* being involved. ;)

People like Epstien and DeAnna bear watching because they are haters. They like – need – to hate. They gravitate toward any place where they feel safe letting it all hang out. To no literate person’s surprise, that place right now is the conservative/Republican movement. They are dangerous to the rest of us. Someone needs to point them out when they crawl out of their holes, and I am glad we have the SPLC to do that. So Morris Dees chases publicity and money. What do you think the directors of non-profits do, sweep the floors and unclog the toilets? You’re confusing Dees’s job with your own. Put down the right-wing kool-aid and pick up a newspaper before you end up worshiping some Norse god yourself.

“Ruslan Amirkhanov” asks:

Just what the hell is “Western Civilization” anyway? It’s just an old, out-dated imperialist myth. Utterly meaningless.

Think “White Man’s Burden” and you get the general concept.

And let’s not forget where a few years back, Germany’s Christian Democratic Union (CDU) party came under fire for advancing immigration-reform proposals calling for new immigrants into Germany to attend classes on what they called Deutsche Leikultur (which may best be translated as “German Defining Culture”); many critics equated such a concept with Nazi teachings about German ethno-cultural and ethno-racial nationalism.

As a Jewish student with family that suffered at the hands of the Nazi’s in the Holocaust I value the work that the SPLC does. Or rather what it used to do. I am a member of Youth for Western Civilization and I can attest to the absurdity of the charges that it is a White Nationalist group, I doubt I would enjoy the welcome I have had since joining if it did.

Also it lists Marcus Epstein as someone with links to White Nationalists… Really? I know Marcus and he is Jewish with Asian heritage why would Marcus support White Nationalism? Simple he does not. Similarly I know Kevin DeAnna and he is to be fair a bit out there politically when compared to myself, but that has nothing to do with race. The article is disdainful of his answer but it is true, why did he join the Asutra group? Because he likes Metal, thats it. Also SPLC should do some fact checking because it ascribes some essay’s and posts on websites that neither of them made.

Now what is Youth for Western Civilization? It is a group that does quite frankly reject multiculturalism, the reason being we support Western Civilization and Culture, and what we believe to be our unique American and western identity. This of course entails that we believe that there is something better to be had with Western Civilization than some other cultures in the world. As such we want to protect that and bring everyone into the melting pot of American life via assimilation to American culture and Western values, not the balkanized tapestry that multiculturalism offers. How is this racial or white nationalist? We welcome with open arms Jews (myself included), Blacks, Hispanics, etc. The only qualifier is a valuing of Western Civilization and a belief in assimilation and the value of western civilization.

This translates into support for some rather basic things:

1. Making English the official language of the United States.

2. Cracking down on Illegal Immigration perhaps as our Honorary Chairmen Congressman Tancredo suggested by penalizing businesses that hire illegal immigrants.

3. Stressing assimilation by having immigrants actually take the citizenship exam, perhaps expand civics classes in schools, and re-emphasize the value that our Western heritage has brought us including our Constitutional Values and Individualism.

Also Mr. Amirkhanov one of the primary points of our group is to disprove that idea of yours. Now you can disagree with us on that, but how on earth is it racist?

In general how can what we believe in or do be construed as racist?

Y’all are idiots…by the time you and your politically correct socialist messiah are done labeling every conservative group as haters no Americans will remember Reagan cause if you get your way calling yourself American will be illegal! Get out of our country!

Hey Jonathan, I have some really bad news for you. MANY people who have been involved in the WN agenda have had some Jewish (or other minority) background.
I’m almost quoting from material pulled from Criminal Profiling, B. Turvey, Intro to Behavioral Evidence Analysis, 2nd edition & a few others here….If you have access to behavioral forensics material you may be surprised to learn what many people have known for YEARS!
“Identity Self-hatred in many groups leads to a variety of pathologies that go well beyond name changing or alteration of background appearance.The level of Catholics in the KKK & Jewish people in Nazi organizations is uniquely over-represented to be considered an anomaly.”
“Several instances of LEADERS of neo-Nazi organizations have Jewish backgrounds (emphasis added). This phenomenon may stem from an inner self hatred & not from the so-called Stockholm syndrome that had been thought to exist previously in studied individuals.”
“Often the identification of individuals with active Criminal Hate groups displays minority status within the family system dynamic.There are several speculations as to why this exists.”

I deeply believe that Bigotry/Racism will be deemed a true emotional disorder as modern mental health professionals study the phenomenon more closely.
What appears common place is that as member “out-grow” their involvement with the Hate Group they express great remorse; not only at their actions & thinking but at the wasted years that they placed themselves on such an all encompassing path with society. Very much like an alcoholic or drug addict, they escaped reality to an inner sanctum of a fantasy world. They appear to understand they had a powerful compulsion to separatism & “power-ownership” in their social milieu: just as the substance abuser feels “above it all” when intoxicated.

One of the areas where I may disagree with the SPLC is that I believe that the individual who is involved in a hate Group is actually disturbed. {Notice I did NOT say they should be compelled into treatment! }
For these people to honestly believe that someone is “less than” another individual due to ethnicity is so distorted at it’s core that it’s akin to a thought disorder where paranoia reigns supreme. I also have noticed a correlation between those who participate in Hate Groups & their enmeshment in various “Conspiracy Theories”.
The classic one being “the Jews” are going to take over the World.
Throw in UFO’s & you’ve got a real winner.

I believe the debate between White, Western Civilization vs. everything else has already been decided. While there may be some who choose to fight it out until the end, the final result is pretty much already settled. I don’t mean to sound racist, but the fall of White-majority Western Civilization is all but assured. Comparing immigration rates of those (White-non-Western or non-white-non-Western) who are moving into White Western nations as compared to those White Westerners who are moving to non-White-majority, non-Western nations, I would guess the raito is on the order of 100-to1 or more, and maybe much more. On the flip side of that, the birth rate (declining) of White humans born into Western nations as compared to the birth rate of the rest of the world is on the order of 1:10 or greater. (I’m guessing a White/Western population of ~700,000,000 as compared to a world population of 6.5 billion, with the world-wide population increase being higher percentage wise, than that of the White/West). Given those two overarching themes, the White majority in both North America and Europe will come to an end within the 21st century (America before ~2040). I’m not sure what will come of the furture, but, if the White majority nations wish to see a future with no White majority nations on the planet -AND- if those non-white (or white), non-Western humans wish to see the demise of the White-West (to which they so agressively immigrate), all we have to do is maintain the current birth and immigration rates that we have now and wait a few years. There isn’t any need for further debate. The best result of this may be a Western culture in nations which have no ethnicity as the majority. But if human history is any judge, such a nation will only exist for a short period of time before splitting into smaller ethno-centric entities.

Again, what exactly is this “Western Civilization”. It seems Western values change every few centuries or so.

Also, the fact that there are Jews in the organization doesn’t really prove much. There were plenty of Jews in high levels throughout the leadership of the Third Reich. Erich von Manstein said several times in front of witneses that he was half Jewish.

And please stop talking about “Balkanization”. You people have no idea what happened in the Balkans, nor do you know anything about the specific historical/cultural conditions of that region. “Multicultural” America is nothing like Yugoslavia, nothing. In fact, it is so far from it, that there are communities from the Former Yugoslavia who get along in total peace within the US.

“Dan said,

ON FEBRUARY 28TH, 2009 AT 10:45 PM
Y’all are idiots…by the time you and your politically correct socialist messiah are done labeling every conservative group as haters no Americans will remember Reagan cause if you get your way calling yourself American will be illegal! Get out of our country”

You and your kind spent two years labeling President (yeah, President-deal with it) Obama a terrorist, a socialist, a communist, an elitist, to name several. And guess what, he won, overwheliming. I guess that mean America either didn’t buy the diaperload of crap you were selling or America wants a terrorist, socialist, communist, elitist to run the country rather than a republican. Either way, you lost. If you don’t like it, get out of our country.

When the term balkanization is used we are of course not making a literal comparison to the Yugoslav Wars and the break up of Yugoslavia. What it refers to is the issues of multicultural and multilingual countries and the troubles they tend to have other examples I would refer to would be issues in Belgium with the Flemish Movement, in Spain with the Basques and Catalans, and in Canada with the Quebecois. Obviously we are not saying the situation in the US is exactly similar to the aforementioned as they have their own complex historical roots, but what we are saying is that the general idea and trend of these problems can be extrapolated to the United States with regards to multiculturalism and language politics.

Again you can disagree and we welcome debate, but it is hardly racist.

Despite these issues, Belgium, Canada, and Spain have been getting on pretty well. The truth is that even Yugoslavia would not have had so many problems were it not from outside influences from nationalist organizations abroad.

I remember the SPLC (or blog) had an article about a Black man who went around the country defending the Confederacy. It became very obvious that this fellow was disturbed.

Self hatred & Hate Groups in general have a correlation. In much of this, there is deeply distorted thinking at work. When it interferes with the individual’s functionality within society it can easily be defined as a serious mental health problem.

Generally, when a person walks away from involvement with Hate Groups there is not only a sense of remorse but a continued sense of self loathing. That same sense of self disgust existed before the Group participation

“Diversity can be good in moderation — if what is being brought in is desirable,” Epstein wrote in one VDARE.com essay. “Most Americans don’t mind a little ethnic food, some Asian math whizzes, or a few Mariachi dancers — as long as these trends do not overwhelm the dominant culture.”

Oh no!!!! Comments like this are only a step away from the KKK!!!!!!!!

Getting a long pretty well? You have a constant secessionist movement in Canada in Quebec, you have Basque violence and Catalan discontent in Spain, and Belgian disintegration towards confederalism and seperatism with the Flems. I never said there was rampant militia slaughter, but that it can result in political discord. Do we want any of the aforementioned situations to occur in America? Even in a peaceful sense such as in Canada, I find it unacceptable.

Again but see how we are peacefully disagreeing? In what way is this hateful or racist?

Actually the United States doesn’t have anything approaching the problems the Spaniards and Canadians have had in the past(they have still more or less got on pretty well in the last 10 or so years). So why whine about it? The more people act as though living next to someone of another culture, religion, etc. is a dangerous thing, the more tension you will create.

In Yugoslavia, there was a time when Croats, Muslims, and Serbs lived together as “Yugoslavs”, and nobody cared. Then outside nationalism seeped in, and suddenly it was incredibly important who was Catholic, Orthodox, or Muslim. Look at the result.

It is not “multiculturalism”(whatever the hell this really means) that will lead America down that road- it is the irrational fear of it which will cause problems, and is causing problems.

Before I continue, because I am enjoying this exchange Ruslan, can I ask a question? If we can talk so calmly and without any racial component to questions that are so core to our group, is it perhaps possible that we are not a racist or white nationalist group? Is it possible that SPLC made a mistake?

All this talk about “assimilation” makes me think of the effing Borg from Star Trek.

Do you know why Canada, Spain, and Belgium have their little separatist movements you cited? It’s because those movements are run by nationalist psychos who can’t fathom or tolerate that a national culture can be a combination of multiple cultures, including the oh so precious Western Civ.

Oh, and Skippy – talking calmly is not proof that you are neither racist nor nationalistic. You are. Calm, rationalization of your position only proves that you are less Charlie Manson crazy, and more Hannibal Lector crazy. I can imagine you typing out “I am enjoying this exchange” while scooping out brains with a spoon and drinking a nice Chianti.

Sounds like SPLC hit the nail on the head, but I applaud the young facist civilization movement for so quickly mobilizing their 12 members to post on this blog. That shows real organizational prowess. Bravo!

Once again SPLC has proven it’s a left wing mouth piece. I haven’t seen anything being addressed concerning the left wing, “The Obama Forum”. On the Obama forum their purpose is to enslave, murder, or exterminate the white race. They want to turn family against family, friends against friends, and strangers against strangers. They are making up lists of those people that simply don’t agree with Obama. How about that for a hate group SPLC? I know, you love it and don’t consider them a hate group do you! Here’s the URL: ^[4]

The SPLC, ACLU, New York Times, ADL are all connected and none likes Americans.
The SPLC always was and is an organization based on making money. Their product is fear. Yet, the SPLC is itself Americaphobic.

Is the line starting to blur between “mainstream” conservatives and the racist, neo-fascist right? The right has had fun in the past maoning about ‘political correctness,” that is insulting racial-ethnic minorities for fun, along with complaining about multiculturalism, like it’s bad to know about cultures other than your own. Now the chickens are coming home to roost for the right.

Question for Mr. Holthouse:

You claim that VDARE.com is a “white nationalist hate website” but I don’t see anything hateful on that website. I see contributions from Hispanic and Jewish authors. What is the justification for this seemingly hateful categorization?

When Michael Barone claims that “largely Jewish intellectual elites have utterly transformed American social and political discourse”, how can be possibly be wrong? Is it supposed to be a secret that Jewish people have immense influence in American political and intellectual life?

With all due respect to my therapist but insulting me and my organization proves nothing. If it makes you feel better to call me racist or our group neo-fascist that is your prerogative.

As for the situations in Spain, Belgium, or Canada your simplistic explanation is just that, simplistic. It’s just that: simplistic. The modern incarnation of the Flemish Nationalist movement dates back to the 19th Century and revolves around the desire for an independent Flemish state centered around the Dutch speaking provinces of Belgian Flanders. The Flems by and large do not feel “Belgian” especially when related to their neighbors in Walloons. They do not speak the same language, they have a different heritage and culture, and have economic differences. Likewise in Canada the Bloc Quebecois and Party Quebecois is not led by “Nationalist Psycho’s” I’d laugh at the person who calls Duceppe a nationalist psycho. Or Marois for that matter. It stems from a centuries old link to a seperate language and heritage, both of which happen to be French, within a largely Anglo Canada. You can read the tensions just be flipping through Romeo Dallieres book on Rwanda where he records his early life and experience as someone from Quebec.

You have yet to identify how my fear of these situations, and my valuing our Western culture or identity is racist. I believe in an American culture anchored in the West with unique values, traits, and heritage. I don’t find that to be such an incredible statement. And simply insulting proves nothing.

Signed

The man who is eating his soup out of a skull…

Or so he is told.

I am not surprised by this article in the least. The right wing conservatives have a long and ignoble history of hate speech against minorities and liberals and if anyone had any doubts in this regard, one need to look no further than the rants of Rush Limbaugh at the forum over the weekend and his “I hope Obama fails” nonsense.

I think it is wonderful the SPLC is exposing the conservatives for what they really are.

There we have it. Any white person who doesn’t just lay down and die, is filled with white nationalist hate.
In the prosecution of Geert Wilders in the Netherlands the court stated “stigmatization of a majority is impossible. Discrimination is something which by definition can affect only minorities.”

I live in South Africa so how come the white minority have no such protection or better stated no protection what so ever. Any rape or murder of a white person is merely a crime, insulting a black person is front page news.

So it stands to reason that all minorities should be protected against evil white majorities exept if it is a white minority in whitch case minority rights should be disregarded as racist.

The problem Dougie, is why one feels it is so important to point out the ethnicity of such people. If you disagree with some political ideology, what does it matter what ethnicity some or even a large number of adherents are? Influential Jews are bound by the same rules that exist for other influential people.

While I’ve supported and contributed to many of the SPLC’s programs over the years, I think they’re rather off the mark with this one. While I’ve only met Marcus Epstein a few times, Kevin DeAnna is a very good friend of mine and fraternity brother.

As we’re both politics wonks and lived quite literally within one minute of each other for several years, I’ve spent many an hour chatting about the subject with him. While I find some of his views rather extreme, I’ve seen absolutely no evidence of racism or any similar -ism. Our fraternity was multiethnic and multiracial, and I was one of three or four brothers who were openly gay. I never saw the slightest hint of bias or prejudice from Kevin in either our long discussions or more quotidian circumstances. I still talk to Kevin a couple of times a week, and my experience is still the same.

On the other hand, I have had the impression that Marcus Epstein’s views are rather more extreme. I’m unqualified to comment authoritatively, though; as mentioned above, I simply don’t know him.

I’m afraid the SPLC has simply mischaracterized DeAnna and his organization. While I appreciate much of the work that the SPLC does, in this case they’ve gotten it wrong.

I find it amazing that white supremacists AND cloaked racists actually read stories from the SPLC. The first ALWAYS takes the opportunity to denounce the SPLC while the 2nd praises them ONLY when they go after the KKK or other such groups and LOUDLY cries foul when this organization attacks institutional racism. For crying out loud, white people helped start this organization people! Furthermore, whites (especially white men like myself) support the organization. (I’m of Scots-Irish and Anglo descent in case anyone is curious too.) So why do you all insist on spreading the lie that ANYONE who points out institutional racism is out of line? I notice that there are people who support the organization here too, but the question I just asked is what still comes to mind. If what this organization says offends you, then don’t read what it posts. As for the rest of us, we’ll continue to pull for this organization and its continued success.

Ruslan Amirkhanov,
You ask why is it important to point out the ethnicity of somebody with political or cultural influence. The reason is that in general, a person’s ethnicity is an important influence on that person’s politics and outlook. In the real world, different ethnic groups tend to support different political positions and they tend to do so based on what they perceive their ethnic interests to be. Jewish people in America for example generally support pro-Israel politics, high immigration and oppose attempts by Americans of Northern European ethnic origin to identify or organise on the basis of ethnicity. I don’t wish to criticise Jewish people for generally supporting what they suppose their ethnic interests to be. But the implication of this article is that Michael Barone is to be condemned for pointing out something which is obviously true: that Jewish immigration (and Italian immigration etc.) has substantially transformed America. I find this to be a very reasonable claim. Why would Mr. Holthouse have any problem with it?

I can’t speak for the motivations of anyone else here, but I browse the SPLC’s website periodically because, as I said above, I’ve long been supporter of many of their programs. Since I live and teach in Montgomery, AL I have great access to their resources and have used “Teaching Tolerance” several times in my classroom.

Despite being a regular visitor, I don’t usually post. This time I commented because I actually had something to add – and, admittedly, I wanted to defend a friend’s reputation from aspersions and criticisms that I felt were unfair and factually inaccurate. But I should think that would make other regulars happy. A comment section consisting entirely of “Yeah!”, “Those people are terrible!”, and “I agree with you!” is dull, uninformative, and quite pointless. Diversity of perspectives is tremendously valuable, even if some of it is due to “cloaked racists”. (Oh, and who gets to decide if I personally am a cloaked racist or not? I’d very much like to know if I’m a racist or not.)

Oh the horror – a bunch of middle-class college students who want English to be the official language and who want the government to do more to stop illegal immigration. Thank you SPLC for warning us of this dangerous threat to the safety of our nation. (Meanwhile, tens of thousands of illegal alien gangsters are terrorizing the streets of America, but, don’t worry, just think of all the wonderful “diversity” they are bringing us.)

Dougie, can you explain to me why it is terribly important for people of “Northern European” descent in America to organize as a group? Are you telling me that Scandinavian, Scottish, Irish, and German organizations and celebrations are supressed in some way?

“Dougie, can you explain to me why it is terribly important for people of ‘Northern European’ descent in America to organize as a group?”

Sure. Because that descent is *ours,* and because it is *good.*

Clear it up any?

The group’s crest is an image of an arm holding a battle axe, symbolizing Charles “the Hammer” Martel, according to a member of the group.

Considering Martel’s significance to the far right (including the Charles Martel Society, which appears to be part of the intellectual circles the group’s founders travel in), I found that a bit disconcerting.

Oh, right, that Charles Martel fellow: clearly “disconcerting”.

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“He is best remembered for winning the Battle of Tours (also known as the Battle of Poitiers) in 732, which has traditionally been characterized as an event that halted the Islamic expansionism in Europe that had conquered Iberia. ‘Charles’s victory has often been regarded as decisive for world history, since it preserved western Europe from Muslim conquest and Islamization.’”

Perhaps you’re longing for sharia, Hume’s Ghost?

Actually, “Snaggle-Tooth Jones,” I don’t think that “explanation” really explains anything. Who decides that being of Northern European is inherently “good?” You? A third party? The elite? And since when did whites “own” European descent? You can’t “own” anything when it comes to biology, esp. human biology. The latter remark suggests that you believe in the old racist idea that one’s race is a biological thing when it is (in fact) a cultural idea that varies from country to country. With what I’ve just said in mind, tell me: How do you account for the different perceptions of racial across all cultures? If you really know a lot on the issue, then you should be able to find some sort of explanation right?

Actually, “Snaggle-Tooth Jones,” I don’t think that “explanation” really explains anything. Who decides that being of Northern European is inherently “good?” You? A third party? The elite?

Yes, in part. It’s in part a value judgment. One I will stand by. Who’s to dispute it? You? A third party? The elite?

That’s the subjective pole. But there is an objective one too. In the words of the blogger “Thomas Paine”, Anglo-Celt culture is:

. . . a culture of tolerance, mutual respect, and good humour. A culture which involves profound affection and respect for the language, history, literature and peoples of these (Anglo-Celt) islands (and their colonies). A culture which includes the works of some of the greatest dramatists, novelists and poets the world has ever known. A culture open to new influences while firmly rooted in the history of European Christendom. A culture steeped in the concepts and traditions of the English Common Law. A culture which embraces a spirit of fair play. A culture which involves freedom of speech and thought, and a robustly contemptuous view of all those small-minded individuals who would seek to limit that freedom. A culture which respects its traditions of thought sufficiently NOT to pervert language in order to turn a phrase like “celebrating difference” into a euphemism for “submitting to intolerance.” A culture which is rich and multidimensional and which can neither be defined in few words in a comment box, nor dismissed with a knee-jerk, thoughtless, rant by some semi-educated leftist about “colonialism” and “racism”.

And since when did whites “own” European descent?

Perhaps you can point out where I said they did.

You can’t “own” anything when it comes to biology, esp. human biology. The latter remark suggests that you believe in the old racist idea that one’s race is a biological thing when it is (in fact) a cultural idea that varies from country to country. With what I’ve just said in mind, tell me: How do you account for the different perceptions of racial across all cultures? If you really know a lot on the issue, then you should be able to find some sort of explanation right?

With what in “mind”? Your deconstructionism? My good man, don’t you think you should at least try proving post-modernism before you insist that I be bound by its terms? In case you hadn’t realized, most people these days are laughing at your notions.

So, back to the point then: that descent is worth defending, because it is good (subjectively and objectively so), and because it is ours (though not exclusively ours, as something we “own”). And that doesn’t mean that races and associated cultural traditions aren’t good, though by that I don’t mean to imply some sort of equivalence theory. But *ours* is *good*, warts and all. And I for one won’t be shamed in the least by you culturally homeless lefty morons.

So smoke that.

That should read, “And that doesn’t mean that *other* races and associated cultural traditions aren’t good, though by that I don’t mean to imply some sort of equivalence theory.

Uh….Anglo-Celtic culture being traditionally “tolerant”? Have you heard of a place called Ireland?

“Tom Paine” is obviously speaking generally, Amirkhanov, and with reference to its known history. And the fact is that “these (Anglo-Celt) islands (and their colonies)” are everything that blogger says they are. Doesn’t mean they don’t have their own set of warts. We’ve all been “intolerant” at time. Even the libby-lefties who exalt “tolerance” as some sort of über-value. Like the ones who own this blog.

No, they were nothing like that. The English were butchers of nations for a few centuries, including those within their “Anglo-Celtic” sphere. Paine’s claim is simply a fantasy.

A question for SPLC: is there ANY organization that advocates for whites that you do NOT consider a “hate group”? Another question: why is it alright for organizations to advocate for blacks, Hispanics, Asians etc. and you do not consider them “hate groups”? This is a serious double standard and it is one reason why fewer and fewer people are taking you people seriously.

Hey Steve, the Obamaforum is a joke.

I went to VDare, and it doesn’t seem like a hate site to me. Although I did manage to find some hateful words, one can really find them anywhere. I really didn’t find anything there advocating violence, but then again, I didn’t read every single article.
What I did find were innumerable essays by people who blame a whole lot of things on a whole lot of other people. And, it seems that if those other people would just open their eyes, and see things their way, America would be a beautiful place again. As it certainly must have been in time periods when none of these people were actually alive to witness this formerly perfect America.

From a statement on the website,published 12/13/2008:
‘DARE.COM is a forum site and will publish writers of any persuasion who are critical of America’s immigration disaster….We have taken great risks by publishing writers like Jared Taylor and the late Sam Francis, who can fairly be described as “white nationalists” in the sense that they aim to defend the interests of American whites’.

I for one, could care less if the ‘white’ race becomes a minority in America. I grew up in a city that had a racial make up of 70% black and 30% white. I was in the 30% that made up whites, so I’ve long been in the minority when it comes to race. So, therefore, I’m not particularly threatened by different races, but, apparently some people are.

To Christy,

Vdare certainly is not a hate group – and yet the SPLC does consider it a hate group ( ^[6]).

Let me first give credit where credit is due. Thank you SPLC for publishing my comments and breaking with the leftist tradition of stifling all dissent.

I wanted to point out an important distinction. People who feel they are being oppressed – and who feel they have no voice – tend to get frustrated. They get angry and they fume over injustices they feel are ignored by the mainstream. I suffered, for 4 years, from forced busing. I was subject to extreme racial intimidation by blacks. I was attacked by a black mob (solely for the color of my skin – by which they took me to be Mexican), had a knife to my throat and was threatened daily. The mainstream media/establishment refuses to even acknowledge my suffering and the suffering of thousands of others like me. I’ve found sympathy and encouragement with vdare, Amren and similar groups that do not preach hatred or violence but are outspoken about the troubles that “diversity” has brought. If organizations like SPLC are truly interested in eliminating such groups, then you should acknowledge that there is a serious racist problem among blacks and Hispanics, that whites can (and are) victims of racism and hate and that racial/ethnic diversity does have its downsides. You should give the same respect to whites (as a group) as you give to other races and ethnic groups. You should be more sympathetic to those whose words might sound like “hate” to you but are actually the product of frustration and anger. Would you condemn a Native American for spewing venom about whites in the late 19th century after his village had been pillaged and his womenfolk raped? The only way you can bridge the gap between those you wish to convert and yourselves is to try to see things from their perspective – to be more tolerant and understanding.

To that I would say, rhayat1, two wrongs do not make a right.
Everyone has likely been victimized by something in their lives, some to more of a degree than others.
I do believe that when people let their negative experiences color their outlook on life, they are putting themselves at a great disservice. I don’t believe we can hold a whole people responsible for the actions of a few. Those that do, it would seem, enjoy their victimization. This goes for people of all races, all nationalities, and all religions. It would be like holding all Germans responsible for the Holocaust. Are all white Americans responsible for slavery, all Christians responsible for the bombing of abortion clinics.
I, for one, do not function well with a big chip on my shoulder. Those people over at VDare are expressing their opinions, as we are here. When opinions and talk branch into threats and violence, that is another matter.
Free speech is a handy thing. I think we shouldn’t abuse it, and speak responsibly. We can say whatever we want, but we do have to accept the consequences that some people may disagree, and disagree loudly, which is their right as well.
Yes, there are racists of all colors. I don’t dispute your right to think and believe as you do. What I do dispute is when you assume that because I am white, that you speak for me as well.

To Christy,

I don’t remember claiming that I speak for you. In fact I do agree with your last post in its entirety. This is why I have a problem with concepts such as slavery reparations, affirmative action, quotas and media bias against white society in general – all of those lump whites together and assume (as you say) that “all whites are responsible for slavery”. Similarly I do not hold all blacks responsible for my past suffering or even for the ongoing suffering of non-blacks via black crime. The primary unit of Mankind is the individual and nobody but individuals can be responsible for crimes or merits. In some circles, saying such things would get me labeled as “racist”. When I speak of “group rights”, I am referring to the right of every individual to be a part of something larger than himself and feel good about it. I’m Jewish and I feel good about that. Blacks should feel good about their heritage too. White Christians should feel good about their heritage too – and that’s where we find so many misguided people objecting. They feel that white Christians have no right to feel good about their heritage and their group. Those misguided people are haters and they should be more tolerant. They need to cease being cruel to white Christian children by denying them the right to feel good about themselves and their origins. They need to cease condemning all/every organizations that work to advance the interests of white Christians as a group.

Christian religion is universal. That is why DeAnna became a pagan. You can identify yourself with your skin color, in which case you are a white skin worshipping pagan or you can identify yourself as a Christian. Cannot have it both ways. Same for blacks and everyone else.

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The YWC chapter at Vanderbuilt is promoting a hate event.

From the article,

“The initial immigrants concerned themselves with things like American history, American culture, and they actively assimilated,” Saucier said. “Whereas now, there are those that say you don’t even have to assimilate, you can move to a Mexican ghetto or something like that and retain your same language, retain your same culture, root against the U.S. in sporting events, hang a Puerto Rican flag from your visor, whatever the case may be, and its not the same dedication to America that there used to be.”

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The student hate group hosted neo-Nazi activist Larry Pratt at American University. Pratt was fired from white nationalist Pat Buchanan’s 1996 presidential campaign, because Pratt was too hateful for even Buchanan.

I couldn’t help but notice there are a lot of neo-con fucktards posting comments here. These kinds of morons have the audacity to declare Obama the next Hitler, yet which side has the [Hitler] Youth program? Give me a fucking break. The left aren’t the ones setting up brainwashing hate camps in order to recruit young people. The right has to do things like this in order to get followers because the average young person is progressive, tolerant, and liberal. They are forced to resort to these drastic measures in order to survive, and it goes beyond sick. The right-wing is mortified at the direction the country is going…well surprise cock-bags! Look back on history retards…progressivism always wins in the end, and whether you like it or not, human culture always evolves toward the left. Just look at Lincoln, for example. He was very liberal and progressive for his time, but by today’s standards he was a conservative. Hell, I’m in my thirties now, but by the time I’m in my seventies I’ll probably be considered conservative, though my views will not have changed much. It is the way of things. You cannot stop the tide of change, and the extremist right will disappear only to be replaced by the moderate right, who will become the new extremist right. This is how human civilization slowly gets better over time.

To Bran. It is true that most Americans are liberal – due to the incessant bombardment of liberal propaganda by the media, schools, politicians and government. Nevertheless, college/university campuses all over the country have converted themselves to leftist extremist camps. They have their own speech codes that favor non-whites and females. Their professors are often notorious for spewing anti-white hatred. They carefully censure their school newspapers to reflect only their own leftist world view. In many cases, their primary priority is not education but “diversity”. If, as you claim, it is Human nature to be leftist, then why would those universities feel it necessary to put so much effort into brainwashing? The same for the major news outlets and government.

The German Nationalism must focus itself on getting rid of anglo-saxon influences from Germany and NATO.

Those arguing against this group have no valid argument. Other student groups center on other ethnicities (black student caucus, asian american groups, hispanic student assoc, etc). You are being intellectually dishonest if you single out this group because it is “western”, and I would even say you are bigoted. I reject your arguments. I dismiss your arguments. This matter is settled.

It’s nice that you put followers of Asatru into the racist category. Thanks for besmirching my beliefs.

have you guys been investigating whats going on in south philly high,Asian boycott.

Would you care to do an article on MEChA, a group that’s ACTUALLY extreme and racist? Oh, that’s right. There’s no white people in that organization, so there will be no articles branding it a hate group.

I am honestly curious as to what this group defines as “Western Values?” I am a U.S. citizen, born in Delaware and raised in N.C., and I couldn’t even begin to generate a list of what that would be. The fact of the matter is that this is a multicultural nation and that if we started enforcing some sort of Western value lifestyle two thirds of the population would probably move to Canada. Not gonna happen.

No seriously though, read what William L. Houston wrote on YWC’s website about the “liberal” media bashing John McCain over his recent comments about undocumented (refuse to use the word illegal) workers starting wildfires to distract Border Patrol Agents. They interviewed a RANCHER and took his viewpoints as serious just because “he ought to know”? They recently had Tom Tancredo host a luncheon in which they bashed Mexicans for destroying American culture. Can we stop pretending that YWC isn’t at least hostile towards minorities?

There have been plenty of articles discrediting MEChA for their hostile rhetoric towards whites. Many Hispanics within my university avoid them all together because of that rhetoric. Although I’m not a huge fan of MEChA, I do believe they serve a useful purpose in organizing and planning marches for/against issues that strongly affect the Chicano/Latino Community.