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	<title>Comments on: Where Swine Flu Lurks, Propagandists Rush In</title>
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		<title>By: John Lloyd Scharf</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2009/04/28/where-swine-flu-lurks-propagandists-rush-in/comment-page-1/#comment-98198</link>
		<dc:creator>John Lloyd Scharf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 17:28:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Some seem to think that these diseases flew in rather than coming in with humans. The Spanish or Swine flu of 1918 came back with the army. It came at a time when there were many in the US that had low immunity resources and had previously contracted other diseases they had fought off. When they died it was because they were physically weak and their immune systems triggered a storm of activity that killed them. 

The ones most likely to be KILLED by this are those with AIDS. As usual, those who are most &quot;liberal&quot; are most likely to kill the most people. The only reason we do not have rampant TB in the US from the influx from the Latin American countries is we are not weak from malnurishment and other diseases. We have had the benefit of a health system that attacked the causes and innoculated where we could. 

That stopped the &quot;childhood&quot; disease, all of which I had before innoculation started. Whooping cough (pertusis), mumps, measles, polio, et cetera. I happened to just miss the polio season before they provided innoculations. My father did not. It is always a matter of immunity and exposure. 

Benefit one and limit the other to prevent plagues. We have no way to limit exposure because we do not have control of our borders. We could not stop a nuclear weapon entering from Mexico at this point, much less a virus. Grow UP. This is NOT about racism.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some seem to think that these diseases flew in rather than coming in with humans. The Spanish or Swine flu of 1918 came back with the army. It came at a time when there were many in the US that had low immunity resources and had previously contracted other diseases they had fought off. When they died it was because they were physically weak and their immune systems triggered a storm of activity that killed them. </p>
<p>The ones most likely to be KILLED by this are those with AIDS. As usual, those who are most &#8220;liberal&#8221; are most likely to kill the most people. The only reason we do not have rampant TB in the US from the influx from the Latin American countries is we are not weak from malnurishment and other diseases. We have had the benefit of a health system that attacked the causes and innoculated where we could. </p>
<p>That stopped the &#8220;childhood&#8221; disease, all of which I had before innoculation started. Whooping cough (pertusis), mumps, measles, polio, et cetera. I happened to just miss the polio season before they provided innoculations. My father did not. It is always a matter of immunity and exposure. </p>
<p>Benefit one and limit the other to prevent plagues. We have no way to limit exposure because we do not have control of our borders. We could not stop a nuclear weapon entering from Mexico at this point, much less a virus. Grow UP. This is NOT about racism.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2009/04/28/where-swine-flu-lurks-propagandists-rush-in/comment-page-1/#comment-94699</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 15:17:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I also think Ranea is right in saying that those coming to this country due to desperation and wanting to give their children a better life should not be punished for that, (and for those of you who want to point out that the criminals came across the border, too; I might remind you that this country is made up of people who were placed on ships and headed this direction across the Big Pond due to their undesirability in their own countries).  The human condition is such that if we can find a way to a better life, we will reach for that.  Many people came here and were treated as scum, including those who are caucasian.  Consider the Germans, the Japanese, the Chinese, the Scots and Irish; they all were treated like scum, (and that probably includes some ancestors of people with the most hatred for Hispanics here), even though they were here legally.  I know some will say that, well, MY ancestors didn&#039;t enter this country illegally, and for those people I would have to say that it may be true, but there were a lot of people that did come here illegally, (is everyone forgetting Canada?), and honestly, if a lot of those people who went through Ellis Island and other ports of entry could have walked here without having to pay, don&#039;t you think they would have?  It is my experience that part of the human condition is that if we can get something for a much reduced price - or better yet, free - we are much less likely to go for the same thing that costs many times more.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also think Ranea is right in saying that those coming to this country due to desperation and wanting to give their children a better life should not be punished for that, (and for those of you who want to point out that the criminals came across the border, too; I might remind you that this country is made up of people who were placed on ships and headed this direction across the Big Pond due to their undesirability in their own countries).  The human condition is such that if we can find a way to a better life, we will reach for that.  Many people came here and were treated as scum, including those who are caucasian.  Consider the Germans, the Japanese, the Chinese, the Scots and Irish; they all were treated like scum, (and that probably includes some ancestors of people with the most hatred for Hispanics here), even though they were here legally.  I know some will say that, well, MY ancestors didn&#8217;t enter this country illegally, and for those people I would have to say that it may be true, but there were a lot of people that did come here illegally, (is everyone forgetting Canada?), and honestly, if a lot of those people who went through Ellis Island and other ports of entry could have walked here without having to pay, don&#8217;t you think they would have?  It is my experience that part of the human condition is that if we can get something for a much reduced price &#8211; or better yet, free &#8211; we are much less likely to go for the same thing that costs many times more.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2009/04/28/where-swine-flu-lurks-propagandists-rush-in/comment-page-1/#comment-94695</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 15:01:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It wouldn&#039;t be the first time that biological warfare has taken place...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It wouldn&#8217;t be the first time that biological warfare has taken place&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Susan</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2009/04/28/where-swine-flu-lurks-propagandists-rush-in/comment-page-1/#comment-94694</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 14:59:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You know, Ranea had a point - ALL immigrants have brought diseases to this country; and in the process, destroyed entire populations of First Peoples and others throughout.  That&#039;s beside the point, though.  As someone else said, the flu that has been known as the H1N1 virus was actually started in other places, not Mexico.  On a more paranoid note, isn&#039;t it interesting that this strain - made up of swine, bird AND human viruses started there, leading to yet more hatred of Hispanics, especially during this time of &quot;stay in your own country&quot; sentiment.  One might almost think that it was a virus that didn&#039;t start there on it&#039;s own...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, Ranea had a point &#8211; ALL immigrants have brought diseases to this country; and in the process, destroyed entire populations of First Peoples and others throughout.  That&#8217;s beside the point, though.  As someone else said, the flu that has been known as the H1N1 virus was actually started in other places, not Mexico.  On a more paranoid note, isn&#8217;t it interesting that this strain &#8211; made up of swine, bird AND human viruses started there, leading to yet more hatred of Hispanics, especially during this time of &#8220;stay in your own country&#8221; sentiment.  One might almost think that it was a virus that didn&#8217;t start there on it&#8217;s own&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: StopUSAGiveaway</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2009/04/28/where-swine-flu-lurks-propagandists-rush-in/comment-page-1/#comment-94435</link>
		<dc:creator>StopUSAGiveaway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 03:39:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ironically, a neighbor was invited to use a timeshare in Puero Vallarta beginning May 2, 2009--she returned and was placed in the Methodist ER and is very bad...
  I do not have the details other than her family is frightened for her.  She had never been to Mexico and came to Houston from Missouri.  After paying her air fare she thought she should go and couldn&#039;t get a refund.
  She is older but has been in excellent health, rides a bike, does daily exercise, and cares for her great granddaughter, dances and attends events as a retiree.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ironically, a neighbor was invited to use a timeshare in Puero Vallarta beginning May 2, 2009&#8211;she returned and was placed in the Methodist ER and is very bad&#8230;<br />
  I do not have the details other than her family is frightened for her.  She had never been to Mexico and came to Houston from Missouri.  After paying her air fare she thought she should go and couldn&#8217;t get a refund.<br />
  She is older but has been in excellent health, rides a bike, does daily exercise, and cares for her great granddaughter, dances and attends events as a retiree.</p>
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		<title>By: John Lloyd Scharf</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2009/04/28/where-swine-flu-lurks-propagandists-rush-in/comment-page-1/#comment-92218</link>
		<dc:creator>John Lloyd Scharf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 04:45:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The extremism of hate and bigotry seems to be the real aim of this SLPC. They seem to be attempting to demonize anyone who believes in the rule of law rather than dealing with racism. Did they run out of worlds to conquer?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The extremism of hate and bigotry seems to be the real aim of this SLPC. They seem to be attempting to demonize anyone who believes in the rule of law rather than dealing with racism. Did they run out of worlds to conquer?</p>
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		<title>By: Exposed Heads</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2009/04/28/where-swine-flu-lurks-propagandists-rush-in/comment-page-1/#comment-92066</link>
		<dc:creator>Exposed Heads</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 14:57:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The statue of Liberty represents law and order, and that is how my grandparents came into America - through Ellis Island and the legal immigration process.

It represents Liberty, not anarchy.

Just what is it with the hatemongers that hate the law of the land? You hate those that wish to keep and enforce our laws and you support the criminals that make the choice not to follow the laws.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The statue of Liberty represents law and order, and that is how my grandparents came into America &#8211; through Ellis Island and the legal immigration process.</p>
<p>It represents Liberty, not anarchy.</p>
<p>Just what is it with the hatemongers that hate the law of the land? You hate those that wish to keep and enforce our laws and you support the criminals that make the choice not to follow the laws.</p>
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		<title>By: Ranea</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2009/04/28/where-swine-flu-lurks-propagandists-rush-in/comment-page-1/#comment-91985</link>
		<dc:creator>Ranea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 00:32:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Incidentally ... the statue was a gift from France, the inscription was put there by us ... if we&#039;ve changed our minds, we better tear the old girl down.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Incidentally &#8230; the statue was a gift from France, the inscription was put there by us &#8230; if we&#8217;ve changed our minds, we better tear the old girl down.</p>
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		<title>By: Ranea</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2009/04/28/where-swine-flu-lurks-propagandists-rush-in/comment-page-1/#comment-91984</link>
		<dc:creator>Ranea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 00:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ I thought this group was a place to watch out for the extremism of hate, prejudice, and bgotry. I thought wrong, apparently. 

Just because someone has a different view that you do does not make them an idiot ... it just means they happen to disagree with you. By one world, I mean that we get past the political bs that is constantly being thrown around amd deal with the issues we face as a WORLD - hunger, disease, war, poverty ... but apparently that is too narrow for such minds as I see here. It doesn&#039;t matter where this flue started ... we need to pull together and STOP it by addressing the fact that it is the flu that is our enemy, not each other.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> I thought this group was a place to watch out for the extremism of hate, prejudice, and bgotry. I thought wrong, apparently. </p>
<p>Just because someone has a different view that you do does not make them an idiot &#8230; it just means they happen to disagree with you. By one world, I mean that we get past the political bs that is constantly being thrown around amd deal with the issues we face as a WORLD &#8211; hunger, disease, war, poverty &#8230; but apparently that is too narrow for such minds as I see here. It doesn&#8217;t matter where this flue started &#8230; we need to pull together and STOP it by addressing the fact that it is the flu that is our enemy, not each other.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Quixote</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2009/04/28/where-swine-flu-lurks-propagandists-rush-in/comment-page-1/#comment-91799</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Quixote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 07:18:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ranea writes: &quot;According to the NOVA information I cited, ALL flu virus originates in the intestines of BIRDS, which, according to the facts, fly all over the world and pay no mind to borders.&quot;

Right on the money there Ranea.  I hear about ill eagles not minding our borders all the time.  They should be deported because they steal the jobs from American eagles.

And I&#039;m all for closed boarders especially if they&#039;re not paying their rent on time.  I had an open boarder once and he was annoying and tiresome at times, opening up all the time... never shut up.

And I really don&#039;t get SPLC&#039;s attacks on Nativist Americans.  We did after all steal their land, and I do like their casinos.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ranea writes: &#8220;According to the NOVA information I cited, ALL flu virus originates in the intestines of BIRDS, which, according to the facts, fly all over the world and pay no mind to borders.&#8221;</p>
<p>Right on the money there Ranea.  I hear about ill eagles not minding our borders all the time.  They should be deported because they steal the jobs from American eagles.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;m all for closed boarders especially if they&#8217;re not paying their rent on time.  I had an open boarder once and he was annoying and tiresome at times, opening up all the time&#8230; never shut up.</p>
<p>And I really don&#8217;t get SPLC&#8217;s attacks on Nativist Americans.  We did after all steal their land, and I do like their casinos.</p>
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		<title>By: Exposed Heads</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2009/04/28/where-swine-flu-lurks-propagandists-rush-in/comment-page-1/#comment-91720</link>
		<dc:creator>Exposed Heads</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 22:31:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rogolio burruel: I feel your hate - relax and take a breath. Also, the current Mexican Flu originated in Mexico, not in Europe or Asia. This is the fact. Think any &quot;scientist&quot; you are refering too are probably from the UN or Mexico - to take the heat off of Mexico and share the blame. Once again - the current strain started in MEXICO. 

Ranea: I guess your logic means someone that is hungry has every right to break into someone&#039;s home to steal food - to circumvent the law based on a &quot;need&quot;. 

What is it now? 15-20 MILLION illegals - all here by breaking the law and with support from socialist organizations that don&#039;t believe in boarders. Those coming into the country legally have to take a medical exam. 15-20 MILLION and more are here along with their diseases and infections - ones that the USA thought we were finished with.

I don&#039;t want &quot;one world&quot; - how selfish to wish that all of the countries around the world loose their sovereignty and their self identity just so a group of non-conformists demand everyone be alike. We are not all alike, we are not endowed with the same abilities, we are not all intelligent (like me), we do not all speak the same language, etc. 

I&#039;ve traveled to other countries and I love the diverse cultures, but this is something socialist IDIOTS want to wipe away and force everyone to &quot;be the same&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rogolio burruel: I feel your hate &#8211; relax and take a breath. Also, the current Mexican Flu originated in Mexico, not in Europe or Asia. This is the fact. Think any &#8220;scientist&#8221; you are refering too are probably from the UN or Mexico &#8211; to take the heat off of Mexico and share the blame. Once again &#8211; the current strain started in MEXICO. </p>
<p>Ranea: I guess your logic means someone that is hungry has every right to break into someone&#8217;s home to steal food &#8211; to circumvent the law based on a &#8220;need&#8221;. </p>
<p>What is it now? 15-20 MILLION illegals &#8211; all here by breaking the law and with support from socialist organizations that don&#8217;t believe in boarders. Those coming into the country legally have to take a medical exam. 15-20 MILLION and more are here along with their diseases and infections &#8211; ones that the USA thought we were finished with.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want &#8220;one world&#8221; &#8211; how selfish to wish that all of the countries around the world loose their sovereignty and their self identity just so a group of non-conformists demand everyone be alike. We are not all alike, we are not endowed with the same abilities, we are not all intelligent (like me), we do not all speak the same language, etc. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve traveled to other countries and I love the diverse cultures, but this is something socialist IDIOTS want to wipe away and force everyone to &#8220;be the same&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: John Lloyd Scharf</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2009/04/28/where-swine-flu-lurks-propagandists-rush-in/comment-page-1/#comment-91719</link>
		<dc:creator>John Lloyd Scharf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 22:24:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you think illegal immigrants are being shot AT by anyone, particularly the Minute Men, you are being grossly misinformed. 

We are far from the days over a century ago when over 100 Irish, of which a few had cholera, were slaughtered and buried in a mass grave. There were no immigration laws until the 1920s, really. 

Regarding the epigram on the Statue of Liberty, remember that it was a present from a Frenchman.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you think illegal immigrants are being shot AT by anyone, particularly the Minute Men, you are being grossly misinformed. </p>
<p>We are far from the days over a century ago when over 100 Irish, of which a few had cholera, were slaughtered and buried in a mass grave. There were no immigration laws until the 1920s, really. </p>
<p>Regarding the epigram on the Statue of Liberty, remember that it was a present from a Frenchman.</p>
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		<title>By: Ranea</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2009/04/28/where-swine-flu-lurks-propagandists-rush-in/comment-page-1/#comment-91712</link>
		<dc:creator>Ranea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 21:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I do want to clarify something, though. I do not agree with uncontrolled borders ... people wishing to immigrate to this country should follow the procedure our government has set down for them. 

On the other hand, I don&#039;t think they should be shot because desperation has forced them to choose a quicker and more risky path into America. We created our own problem by offering a haven for the world&#039;s &#039;... poor, tired, huddled masses ...&quot;  (Statue of Liberty). I feel for them and the desperationt that eats at their world. I&#039;ve been so poor we lived in our car for days when I was little, went without eating ... and I&#039;ve been well off enough to have a home of my own and a car and a good job I love. I am thankful that my maternal grandparents and great grandparents came through Ellis Island, had their names changed, and built a life here legally. I am thankful for the Native ancestors from my father&#039;s side who contributed to my world. 

I can look at my family history and geneology and see George Washington ... Earl Warren ... Black Elk ... and wonder if we are ever going to make the transition from embattled tribal mentality to one world.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do want to clarify something, though. I do not agree with uncontrolled borders &#8230; people wishing to immigrate to this country should follow the procedure our government has set down for them. </p>
<p>On the other hand, I don&#8217;t think they should be shot because desperation has forced them to choose a quicker and more risky path into America. We created our own problem by offering a haven for the world&#8217;s &#8216;&#8230; poor, tired, huddled masses &#8230;&#8221;  (Statue of Liberty). I feel for them and the desperationt that eats at their world. I&#8217;ve been so poor we lived in our car for days when I was little, went without eating &#8230; and I&#8217;ve been well off enough to have a home of my own and a car and a good job I love. I am thankful that my maternal grandparents and great grandparents came through Ellis Island, had their names changed, and built a life here legally. I am thankful for the Native ancestors from my father&#8217;s side who contributed to my world. </p>
<p>I can look at my family history and geneology and see George Washington &#8230; Earl Warren &#8230; Black Elk &#8230; and wonder if we are ever going to make the transition from embattled tribal mentality to one world.</p>
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		<title>By: Rogolio burruel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rogolio burruel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 21:44:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To Exposed Heads, and everyone else here: It seems that the NEW facts of the flu is that it was brought to/into Mexico; scientists have established the FACT(S) that it has European/Asian flu strands! NOT native to Mexico!!! So Exposed Heads, stop taking the ACID, get your Heads out of your butts, and deal with the facts!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Exposed Heads, and everyone else here: It seems that the NEW facts of the flu is that it was brought to/into Mexico; scientists have established the FACT(S) that it has European/Asian flu strands! NOT native to Mexico!!! So Exposed Heads, stop taking the ACID, get your Heads out of your butts, and deal with the facts!</p>
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		<title>By: Ranea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ranea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 21:38:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Flu viruses are named H/N for the number of genes contained in the flu virus. According to the NOVA information I cited, ALL flu virus origniates in the intestines of BIRDS, which, according to the facts, fly all over the world and pay no mind to borders. 

I don&#039;t have a problem with controled borders - I have a problem with hype and propoganda specifically designed to shoot first and ask questions later. I have a problem with policy based on fear rather than facts. 

And myt family is Native American ... if I were to push for controls, I suppose I could start with asking anyone of EUROPEAN descent to leave North America because of the epidemic influenza disease they (and their animals) brought over, decimating the Native population with 10 years to almost nothing. 

I don&#039;t care what name you give the viruses ... they don&#039;t care who you are or where you&#039;re from. They originate with animal species which humans use for food. Next time you pass a farm, think about it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Flu viruses are named H/N for the number of genes contained in the flu virus. According to the NOVA information I cited, ALL flu virus origniates in the intestines of BIRDS, which, according to the facts, fly all over the world and pay no mind to borders. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have a problem with controled borders &#8211; I have a problem with hype and propoganda specifically designed to shoot first and ask questions later. I have a problem with policy based on fear rather than facts. </p>
<p>And myt family is Native American &#8230; if I were to push for controls, I suppose I could start with asking anyone of EUROPEAN descent to leave North America because of the epidemic influenza disease they (and their animals) brought over, decimating the Native population with 10 years to almost nothing. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t care what name you give the viruses &#8230; they don&#8217;t care who you are or where you&#8217;re from. They originate with animal species which humans use for food. Next time you pass a farm, think about it.</p>
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		<title>By: John Lloyd Scharf</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Lloyd Scharf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 20:45:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is highly likely my father and his brothers were orphaned and his sister killed by the 1918 Spanish Flu/Swine Flu epidemic. I only know for sure that his brothers survived because they came from the same orphanage and my second cousin has the same results on his Y chromosome testing. 

My grandfather had TB, my mother typhoid, and my father polio. Do you really think illegal aliens should enter without any controls?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is highly likely my father and his brothers were orphaned and his sister killed by the 1918 Spanish Flu/Swine Flu epidemic. I only know for sure that his brothers survived because they came from the same orphanage and my second cousin has the same results on his Y chromosome testing. </p>
<p>My grandfather had TB, my mother typhoid, and my father polio. Do you really think illegal aliens should enter without any controls?</p>
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		<title>By: Exposed Heads</title>
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		<dc:creator>Exposed Heads</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 18:51:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hong Kong flu was named so because of the origin.

This should rightly be called &quot;Mexican flu&quot;. If you have a problem with facts - too bad.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hong Kong flu was named so because of the origin.</p>
<p>This should rightly be called &#8220;Mexican flu&#8221;. If you have a problem with facts &#8211; too bad.</p>
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		<title>By: Ranea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ranea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 18:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In 1918 H1N1 killed up to 50 million people worldwide .. more than were killed in total during WWI (NOVA, 2009). The truth is, biologically pandemic disease circulates the globe every so often and eliminates a good portion of the population without regard to borders or immigration policies. 

While the human tendency is to blame everyone else, the fact is that humans are part of the animal kingdom and all the rules that apply to all other animal species also apply to us. The laws of physics, biology, ecology, gravity, and so on ... they all apply. We are not above any other species in our capacity to survive cyclical events such as pandemic disease, environmental disasters, or weather onslaughts such as Hurricane Katrina (which was not the first massive hurricane to take life, nor will it be the last). 

Arguments such as those cited by hate groups and anti-immigration xenophobes only add to the problems faced by the CDC and other organizations whose job it is to deal with disease control. Closing a border doesn&#039;t stop a virus - it merely gives it the opportunity to find another way in.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In 1918 H1N1 killed up to 50 million people worldwide .. more than were killed in total during WWI (NOVA, 2009). The truth is, biologically pandemic disease circulates the globe every so often and eliminates a good portion of the population without regard to borders or immigration policies. </p>
<p>While the human tendency is to blame everyone else, the fact is that humans are part of the animal kingdom and all the rules that apply to all other animal species also apply to us. The laws of physics, biology, ecology, gravity, and so on &#8230; they all apply. We are not above any other species in our capacity to survive cyclical events such as pandemic disease, environmental disasters, or weather onslaughts such as Hurricane Katrina (which was not the first massive hurricane to take life, nor will it be the last). </p>
<p>Arguments such as those cited by hate groups and anti-immigration xenophobes only add to the problems faced by the CDC and other organizations whose job it is to deal with disease control. Closing a border doesn&#8217;t stop a virus &#8211; it merely gives it the opportunity to find another way in.</p>
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		<title>By: Fritz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fritz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 03:02:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Apparently anybody who favors enforcement of existing laws and loves the Constitution is a Nazi. Okay, I can live with being called a Nazi. So long as you don&#039;t interfere with my Bill of Rights, I won&#039;t interfere with your right to call me whatever you like.

That said, a state of war does exist between Latin America (most notably Mexico) and the United States of America. This is not an armed conflict (although groups like Los Zetas) might beg to differ. This is cultural warfare. Just as the flu spreads northward, so does the insistence upon bilingualism, corruption, lawlessness, and legal double standards.

Latino birthrates are skyrocketing. They can&#039;t outright defeat us(yet), so they use a longer-term strategy of outbreeding us. As the minority population grows, so does their political power. lIt&#039;s no secret that Obama came into office because of the minority vote. This election, more than any other, the white voters stayed home.

And shame on them. For their failure to take part in the electoral process, they are every bit as much an enemy as those who swim across the Rio Grande and then clamor for amnesty.

Change is coming. It won&#039;t be kind, and it won&#039;t be subtle. There are a growing number of men and women who remember what it means to uphold and defend the Constitution against all threats, foreign and domestic.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparently anybody who favors enforcement of existing laws and loves the Constitution is a Nazi. Okay, I can live with being called a Nazi. So long as you don&#8217;t interfere with my Bill of Rights, I won&#8217;t interfere with your right to call me whatever you like.</p>
<p>That said, a state of war does exist between Latin America (most notably Mexico) and the United States of America. This is not an armed conflict (although groups like Los Zetas) might beg to differ. This is cultural warfare. Just as the flu spreads northward, so does the insistence upon bilingualism, corruption, lawlessness, and legal double standards.</p>
<p>Latino birthrates are skyrocketing. They can&#8217;t outright defeat us(yet), so they use a longer-term strategy of outbreeding us. As the minority population grows, so does their political power. lIt&#8217;s no secret that Obama came into office because of the minority vote. This election, more than any other, the white voters stayed home.</p>
<p>And shame on them. For their failure to take part in the electoral process, they are every bit as much an enemy as those who swim across the Rio Grande and then clamor for amnesty.</p>
<p>Change is coming. It won&#8217;t be kind, and it won&#8217;t be subtle. There are a growing number of men and women who remember what it means to uphold and defend the Constitution against all threats, foreign and domestic.</p>
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		<title>By: BF</title>
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		<dc:creator>BF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 01:17:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Didn&#039;t take long for the hate-spewers to come in.

Grandpa was right: Kill the Nazis and don&#039;t shed any tears.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Didn&#8217;t take long for the hate-spewers to come in.</p>
<p>Grandpa was right: Kill the Nazis and don&#8217;t shed any tears.</p>
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		<title>By: katryd</title>
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		<dc:creator>katryd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2009 22:37:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To Kate,

Your words reflect a thoughtful, educated mind and genuine heart.  What a refreshing piece in that regard.

May wisdom prevail through these trying times.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Kate,</p>
<p>Your words reflect a thoughtful, educated mind and genuine heart.  What a refreshing piece in that regard.</p>
<p>May wisdom prevail through these trying times.</p>
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		<title>By: Mdollas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mdollas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2009 12:35:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kate

re:your last comment
truer words have never been spoken
Big ups to you!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kate</p>
<p>re:your last comment<br />
truer words have never been spoken<br />
Big ups to you!</p>
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		<title>By: Britneii</title>
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		<dc:creator>Britneii</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 16:04:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why do they even care about what Biden has to say to his family?! everyone else is thinking it anyways, he is honest and gets smashed! Start caring for the people of America and stop caring about what some people THINK about the vice-president!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do they even care about what Biden has to say to his family?! everyone else is thinking it anyways, he is honest and gets smashed! Start caring for the people of America and stop caring about what some people THINK about the vice-president!!</p>
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		<title>By: Dom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 15:24:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey Kate stay off the dope...you fried to many brain cell already.   

Read a book?  Oh, I read.  The  things I read about deal with God, duty, honor and country. Maybe you should read &quot;Liberty and Tyranny&quot; by Mark Levin.  It may force some sense into that void between your ears, or better yet, try reading  OUR Constitution or the Declaration of Independence.  The writings and arguments of OUR Founding Fathers will also facilitate the  healing of your tendency to goose step!  Sorry, no pop-ups or coloring areas in these writings.

Deport the invaders, imprison anyone who hires them along with every open borders politician, militarize our borders and repeal the misinterpreted 14th Amendment. Now that is CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Kate stay off the dope&#8230;you fried to many brain cell already.   </p>
<p>Read a book?  Oh, I read.  The  things I read about deal with God, duty, honor and country. Maybe you should read &#8220;Liberty and Tyranny&#8221; by Mark Levin.  It may force some sense into that void between your ears, or better yet, try reading  OUR Constitution or the Declaration of Independence.  The writings and arguments of OUR Founding Fathers will also facilitate the  healing of your tendency to goose step!  Sorry, no pop-ups or coloring areas in these writings.</p>
<p>Deport the invaders, imprison anyone who hires them along with every open borders politician, militarize our borders and repeal the misinterpreted 14th Amendment. Now that is CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN!</p>
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		<title>By: Roglioe Burrell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roglioe Burrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 14:57:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Me thinks Dom is mad because the immigrants are getting all the contract jobs up here; too darn bad Dom~go eat your heart out. Once upon a time YOU were an immigrant! Go check your Bible, Jesus and his Holy Family were so-called &quot;illegals&quot; in Egypt! And so was the whole nation of Israel....for 400 years!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Me thinks Dom is mad because the immigrants are getting all the contract jobs up here; too darn bad Dom~go eat your heart out. Once upon a time YOU were an immigrant! Go check your Bible, Jesus and his Holy Family were so-called &#8220;illegals&#8221; in Egypt! And so was the whole nation of Israel&#8230;.for 400 years!</p>
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		<title>By: kate</title>
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		<dc:creator>kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 12:41:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Illegal invaders&quot;! You people are absolute maroons. Go study your history.  Illegality is an arbitrary determinant originated within only recent history. 

Countries have flourished and some have grown, sprouted or vanished based on the movement of people&#039;s across borders.  America is no different.  The demise of this country has to do with the policies and priorities of the people within the country, not those who come from the outside to exploit its weaknesses.  

I am a contractor as well but I don&#039;t live in a state that has an influx of illegal immigrants, I just have to compete with morons who are too stupid to understand how organizing and working together would benefit all of us.  

Those who benefit by cheap, unorganized and undocumented work are not the workers, you nitwit, its those who hire them.  Go to them with your greivances and organize the workers.

The war on drugs is an excuse for this country to brutalize, control and keep weak, the countries to the south of us.  As long as we can maintain a presence in these countries, then we can work to terrorize and control local governments, support corruption and assist in suppressing the development of real democracy and human rights in these countries.  

The corruption and oppression in south America and Mexico are the drivers behind the immigration to this country.  But who benefits on both sides of the border by this oppression?  Large US corporations, the wealthy elite in Mexico and the US that&#039;s who.  Go see them before you tell a poor man to starve, because it may be you who will be looking for a way to feed his family next.  

Low wages for one group only serve to drive down wages for all groups.  Most people can get that, but unfortunately they can&#039;t seem to look above them instead of below, to see the ones truly responsible for keeping the people from getting the wages and rights they truly deserve.  

It won&#039;t be long before we are much like Mexico and it will not be the fault of the Mexican worker struggling to make ends meet within the confines of an oppressive state system.

Idiots, go read a book.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Illegal invaders&#8221;! You people are absolute maroons. Go study your history.  Illegality is an arbitrary determinant originated within only recent history. </p>
<p>Countries have flourished and some have grown, sprouted or vanished based on the movement of people&#8217;s across borders.  America is no different.  The demise of this country has to do with the policies and priorities of the people within the country, not those who come from the outside to exploit its weaknesses.  </p>
<p>I am a contractor as well but I don&#8217;t live in a state that has an influx of illegal immigrants, I just have to compete with morons who are too stupid to understand how organizing and working together would benefit all of us.  </p>
<p>Those who benefit by cheap, unorganized and undocumented work are not the workers, you nitwit, its those who hire them.  Go to them with your greivances and organize the workers.</p>
<p>The war on drugs is an excuse for this country to brutalize, control and keep weak, the countries to the south of us.  As long as we can maintain a presence in these countries, then we can work to terrorize and control local governments, support corruption and assist in suppressing the development of real democracy and human rights in these countries.  </p>
<p>The corruption and oppression in south America and Mexico are the drivers behind the immigration to this country.  But who benefits on both sides of the border by this oppression?  Large US corporations, the wealthy elite in Mexico and the US that&#8217;s who.  Go see them before you tell a poor man to starve, because it may be you who will be looking for a way to feed his family next.  </p>
<p>Low wages for one group only serve to drive down wages for all groups.  Most people can get that, but unfortunately they can&#8217;t seem to look above them instead of below, to see the ones truly responsible for keeping the people from getting the wages and rights they truly deserve.  </p>
<p>It won&#8217;t be long before we are much like Mexico and it will not be the fault of the Mexican worker struggling to make ends meet within the confines of an oppressive state system.</p>
<p>Idiots, go read a book.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 12:30:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dom, people like you are whats wrong with America. During the last eight years, Bush could do whatever he wanted with the county, and everything was hunky dory for you. But now that we have a (gasp!) Democrat in the White House, right-wing Fascists like you are talking about &quot;revolution&quot; and &quot;kill the President&quot; and things you would&#039;ve never said during Bush. People like you don&#039;t deserve democracy. And I think you understand that too, since you&#039;re ideal America is The Third Reich.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dom, people like you are whats wrong with America. During the last eight years, Bush could do whatever he wanted with the county, and everything was hunky dory for you. But now that we have a (gasp!) Democrat in the White House, right-wing Fascists like you are talking about &#8220;revolution&#8221; and &#8220;kill the President&#8221; and things you would&#8217;ve never said during Bush. People like you don&#8217;t deserve democracy. And I think you understand that too, since you&#8217;re ideal America is The Third Reich.</p>
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		<title>By: Dom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 03:38:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Frederick and Phyllis are absolutely right on point. 

Illegal invaders have brought in all sorts of diseases that have previously been eradicated.  Along with the diseases comes the drugs, gangs, murder, rape and robbery.  There are illegal encampments everywhere in the dry canyons where they &quot;live&quot; and burn open fires.  Some of these campfires caused the wild fires that ripped through the So Cal area killing people and destroying thousands of homes.   As a Southern California native I see it first hand.  
As a contractor I have to compete with these illegal third world scumbags that bid on jobs, with no license and no insurance, for a third of the price. 

As a combat Army Veteran I have been to dozens of other countries and NONE OF THEM have open borders like we do.  I worked with Joint Task Force Six for the &quot;War On Drugs&quot; doing counter-narcotics operations in the El Paso Sector and I can tell you that people and drugs flow uninhibited on a scale that would blow your mind.
  
This is OUR country... not theirs.  I took an oath to protect and defend our Constitution from enemies foreign and domestic.  That oath never dies.

There is a Second Revolution coming and it wont be at the ballot box.  So Roglioe you had better keep your vile and perverse Marxist butt down because if this virus doesn&#039;t get you the Revolution will.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frederick and Phyllis are absolutely right on point. </p>
<p>Illegal invaders have brought in all sorts of diseases that have previously been eradicated.  Along with the diseases comes the drugs, gangs, murder, rape and robbery.  There are illegal encampments everywhere in the dry canyons where they &#8220;live&#8221; and burn open fires.  Some of these campfires caused the wild fires that ripped through the So Cal area killing people and destroying thousands of homes.   As a Southern California native I see it first hand.<br />
As a contractor I have to compete with these illegal third world scumbags that bid on jobs, with no license and no insurance, for a third of the price. </p>
<p>As a combat Army Veteran I have been to dozens of other countries and NONE OF THEM have open borders like we do.  I worked with Joint Task Force Six for the &#8220;War On Drugs&#8221; doing counter-narcotics operations in the El Paso Sector and I can tell you that people and drugs flow uninhibited on a scale that would blow your mind.</p>
<p>This is OUR country&#8230; not theirs.  I took an oath to protect and defend our Constitution from enemies foreign and domestic.  That oath never dies.</p>
<p>There is a Second Revolution coming and it wont be at the ballot box.  So Roglioe you had better keep your vile and perverse Marxist butt down because if this virus doesn&#8217;t get you the Revolution will.</p>
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		<title>By: Roglioe Burrell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roglioe Burrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 03:07:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Phyllis: The only hero is you, and your fellow hate radio show hosts; ya know Rush, Luara, Gallenger, Ann Cutler, and so on! So relax and enjoy the flowers, life is VERY short, sweetie!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phyllis: The only hero is you, and your fellow hate radio show hosts; ya know Rush, Luara, Gallenger, Ann Cutler, and so on! So relax and enjoy the flowers, life is VERY short, sweetie!</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 02:23:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[With or without the swine flu, illegal aliens from Mexico are a burden on the USA.  I say boot them out of the country and keep them out!]]></description>
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