Comments on: Alleged Sovereign Citizen Arrested on Weapons and Drug Charges http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2009/06/02/alleged-sovereign-citizen-arrested-on-weapons-and-drug-charges/ Hatewatch is a blog of the Southern Poverty Law Center Wed, 22 May 2013 21:12:22 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Caleb McKean http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2009/06/02/alleged-sovereign-citizen-arrested-on-weapons-and-drug-charges/comment-page-1/#comment-187589 Caleb McKean Tue, 17 Aug 2010 16:05:05 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2009/06/02/alleged-sovereign-citizen-arrested-on-weapons-and-drug-charges/#comment-187589 Consistent with the eternal tradition of natural common law, unless I have harmed or violated someone or their property, I have committed no crime; and am therefore not subject to any penalty. This is straight from the affidavit of truth. He didnt hurt anybody or cause property damage. He was following the rules. Why is he being harassed? Consistent with the eternal tradition of natural common law, unless I have harmed or violated someone or their property, I have committed no crime; and am therefore not subject to any penalty.

This is straight from the affidavit of truth. He didnt hurt anybody or cause property damage. He was following the rules. Why is he being harassed?

]]> By: Reality Minded http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2009/06/02/alleged-sovereign-citizen-arrested-on-weapons-and-drug-charges/comment-page-1/#comment-176748 Reality Minded Wed, 07 Jul 2010 23:06:35 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2009/06/02/alleged-sovereign-citizen-arrested-on-weapons-and-drug-charges/#comment-176748 Shadow Wolf.. are you for real???, Im quoting what you said above: "he was witnessed shooting firearms at the “Militia Training Center”. The movement is guilty by association and must be held accountable for their members KKKriminal offense". The "Militia Training Center" was an inside JOKE, not the real name of the place. What 'movement' is gulity by association, as the place he was witnessed shooting at was NOT a militia training center, but just a shooting range?, As I've read several articles, and chatted DIRECTLY (FACE TO FACE) with some involved, I never encountered or read anywhere (except here), anyone or anything relating to the KKK .... so I have to ask who are the KKK criminals you are referencing?? >> Your logic has no logic to it. You're making things up to suit your misguided feelings, please don't. He , Mr. Gray messed up and appears to have viloated some laws, but he is NOT a member of the KKK or any other militia movement that advocates opprression of other people based on race, religion, sex, etc. Nor was he himself out hurting people or destroying property or threatening anyone with the allegedly posessed weapons. He WAS looking to get out from under , what he seen as, the ever encroaching federal goverment on his rights and freedoms... not everyone wants big government. ...PLAIN and SIMPLE.... D69 Shadow Wolf.. are you for real???,

Im quoting what you said above: “he was witnessed shooting firearms at the “Militia Training Center”. The movement is guilty by association and must be held accountable for their members KKKriminal offense”.

The “Militia Training Center” was an inside JOKE, not the real name of the place. What ‘movement’ is gulity by association, as the place he was witnessed shooting at was NOT a militia training center, but just a shooting range?, As I’ve read several articles, and chatted DIRECTLY (FACE TO FACE) with some involved, I never encountered or read anywhere (except here), anyone or anything relating to the KKK …. so I have to ask who are the KKK criminals you are referencing??

>> Your logic has no logic to it. You’re making things up to suit your misguided feelings, please don’t.

He , Mr. Gray messed up and appears to have viloated some laws, but he is NOT a member of the KKK or any other militia movement that advocates opprression of other people based on race, religion, sex, etc. Nor was he himself out hurting people or destroying property or threatening anyone with the allegedly posessed weapons. He WAS looking to get out from under , what he seen as, the ever encroaching federal goverment on his rights and freedoms… not everyone wants big government.

…PLAIN and SIMPLE….

D69

]]> By: Patrick http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2009/06/02/alleged-sovereign-citizen-arrested-on-weapons-and-drug-charges/comment-page-1/#comment-147731 Patrick Fri, 26 Feb 2010 18:21:41 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2009/06/02/alleged-sovereign-citizen-arrested-on-weapons-and-drug-charges/#comment-147731 I have used my real name because i realy have been looking into myself maybe becoming a soveriegn citizen. I know the constitution says all peaple born on the land are soveriegn by god givin right. Not in the incorperated version. The only reason i have is because i was sent to prison on charges I was wrongly accussed.Was told by the police at the age of 17 that if I didnt plead guilty they would send me to jail for not only the crimes they where trying to convict me of but 27 more charges. They did this because i lived in a nieghborhood where allot happened one night i got drunk and stole my dads car. With the keys mind you. And i recked it a little inyo a parked car. I didnt flee the seen waited on the police admitted to what i done. I then spent the nest 13 hours not being aloud to comunicate with my parents,no phone call nothing. Finaly I just got fed up and told them I didnt want to talk to them. Three days latter i got almost 30 warants for every crime that happened in that area for like the last 6 months. I could not afford a lawyer and I was just screwed. So to get them to leave me alone after three days of not being able to talk to my dad I broke down and just sighned the shit they put in front of me. Now i did screw up my probation and have to go back that was my fault nobody elses and I would have faced the consequences for what i did. Now i am a convicted fellon wich should of only been a misdameaner. I am listed on a gang watch and im not even in a gang lol. Then when they run my name because for a few weeks like 6 i went to muslim classes had to sighn up for in there system. I now get listed as a possible terrorist what the fuck. My goals in life where simple i just wanted to go into the military as gig my grandfather who was until like 12 the only mmale figure in my life. Now i can barly get a job had to settle for a ged, oh dont get me wrong i make a few hundred a week at my job not complaining. But where where my rights then why didnt anyone help. Why wasnt there a laws to protect me. Now i know there where but police are here to serve and protect why did they do that. I will never get those 8 yrs i did back. So yeah i dont like our government why would i. But this idiot probaly was trying to do some stupid shit. But everyone who wants there freadom is not a terrorist, We dont go around hurting peaple. But i dont doubt the guy was probally bragging at the gun range and then it caught up with him and he may have not ment anything to. I know longer have respect for our laws but i dont go out breaking them i dont own a gun i see know need for one. I just want my life set right and i believe it is the way to go. I have used my real name because i realy have been looking into myself maybe becoming a soveriegn citizen.
I know the constitution says all peaple born on the land are soveriegn by god givin right. Not in the incorperated version.
The only reason i have is because i was sent to prison on charges I was wrongly accussed.Was told by the police at the age of 17 that if I didnt plead guilty they would send me to jail for not only the crimes they where trying to convict me of but 27 more charges.
They did this because i lived in a nieghborhood where allot happened one night i got drunk and stole my dads car.
With the keys mind you.
And i recked it a little inyo a parked car. I didnt flee the seen waited on the police admitted to what i done.
I then spent the nest 13 hours not being aloud to comunicate with my parents,no phone call nothing.
Finaly I just got fed up and told them I didnt want to talk to them.
Three days latter i got almost 30 warants for every crime that happened in that area for like the last 6 months.
I could not afford a lawyer and I was just screwed.
So to get them to leave me alone after three days of not being able to talk to my dad I broke down and just sighned the shit they put in front of me.
Now i did screw up my probation and have to go back that was my fault nobody elses and I would have faced the consequences for what i did.
Now i am a convicted fellon wich should of only been a misdameaner.
I am listed on a gang watch and im not even in a gang lol.
Then when they run my name because for a few weeks like 6 i went to muslim classes had to sighn up for in there system.
I now get listed as a possible terrorist what the fuck.
My goals in life where simple i just wanted to go into the military as gig my grandfather who was until like 12 the only mmale figure in my life.
Now i can barly get a job had to settle for a ged, oh dont get me wrong i make a few hundred a week at my job not complaining.
But where where my rights then why didnt anyone help.
Why wasnt there a laws to protect me.
Now i know there where but police are here to serve and protect why did they do that.
I will never get those 8 yrs i did back.
So yeah i dont like our government why would i.
But this idiot probaly was trying to do some stupid shit.
But everyone who wants there freadom is not a terrorist,
We dont go around hurting peaple.
But i dont doubt the guy was probally bragging at the gun range and then it caught up with him and he may have not ment anything to.
I know longer have respect for our laws but i dont go out breaking them i dont own a gun i see know need for one.
I just want my life set right and i believe it is the way to go.

]]> By: Ruslan Amirkhanov http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2009/06/02/alleged-sovereign-citizen-arrested-on-weapons-and-drug-charges/comment-page-1/#comment-97193 Ruslan Amirkhanov Wed, 03 Jun 2009 13:09:29 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2009/06/02/alleged-sovereign-citizen-arrested-on-weapons-and-drug-charges/#comment-97193 FUN FACT: By purposely going out of their way to violate even the most trivial of state and federal laws, "sovereign citizens" actually drastically reduce their personal freedom and ensure and increase their run-ins with the law. FUN FACT: By purposely going out of their way to violate even the most trivial of state and federal laws, “sovereign citizens” actually drastically reduce their personal freedom and ensure and increase their run-ins with the law.

]]> By: Shadow Wolf http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2009/06/02/alleged-sovereign-citizen-arrested-on-weapons-and-drug-charges/comment-page-1/#comment-97020 Shadow Wolf Tue, 02 Jun 2009 22:04:59 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2009/06/02/alleged-sovereign-citizen-arrested-on-weapons-and-drug-charges/#comment-97020 One of the possible reasons why they tend to make up the dubious argument of "distancing" themselves from the moverment, is to prepare themselves for a "Lone Wolf" action. Usually they make these claims after their arrests so that they are no longer with the movement, is to soley protect the central moverment itself. This "no liability" assertions in these cases are weak approaches in such a poor attempt to protect the interests of their movement, as what we are seeing in Gray's case. Evidently he's been had(confessed on a secret survelliance), and he's clearly got "militia" written all over him like juvenile graffiti. The crimes that he is accused of, is directly link to the "militia movement" prompting the U.S. Government to take immediate action to dismantling this domestic terrorist organization. So technically, his word of "distancing" himself from the movement doesn't help him or the movement, instead it jeopardizes it. Based on evidences that he is still socially active in the "militia", as the article points out that he was witnessed shooting firearms at the "Militia Training Center". The movement is guilty by association and must be held accountable for their members KKKriminal offense. And if these loons think they are immune from the Federal Law. Well, think again. The U.S. Government has jurisdiction in all of its claimed territories, even in Indian Country/Soveriegn Nations. Plain and simple-- If you really want to be immuned from the laws of U.S. Government. Simply move to a foreign country. One of the possible reasons why they tend to make up the dubious argument of “distancing” themselves from the moverment, is to prepare themselves for a “Lone Wolf” action. Usually they make these claims after their arrests so that they are no longer with the movement, is to soley protect the central moverment itself. This “no liability” assertions in these cases are weak approaches in such a poor attempt to protect the interests of their movement, as what we are seeing in Gray’s case. Evidently he’s been had(confessed on a secret survelliance), and he’s clearly got “militia” written all over him like juvenile graffiti. The crimes that he is accused of, is directly link to the “militia movement” prompting the U.S. Government to take immediate action to dismantling this domestic terrorist organization. So technically, his word of “distancing” himself from the movement doesn’t help him or the movement, instead it jeopardizes it. Based on evidences that he is still socially active in the “militia”, as the article points out that he was witnessed shooting firearms at the “Militia Training Center”. The movement is guilty by association and must be held accountable for their members KKKriminal offense. And if these loons think they are immune from the Federal Law. Well, think again. The U.S. Government has jurisdiction in all of its claimed territories, even in Indian Country/Soveriegn Nations.

Plain and simple–
If you really want to be immuned from the laws of U.S. Government. Simply move to a foreign country.

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