This balderdash about races, and sexual orientation,.. Ol’ Phelps isn’t smart enough to realize he and his family have made absolute fools of themselves in front of God and all God’s creation. Actually, the entire family follows this idiot savant out of total unabashed fear.

I wonder where this family will end up when Fredrico and Shirley, and their relatives die off. The day should come so soon!!!

Happy Easter, all!

PS: Not surprisingly, the Democratic Party and all Baptist denominations want nothing to do with these tilted windmills.

We can all agree everything the Westboro Baptist Church spouts is horrible. However, I question the “right-wing” label. Fred Phelps has made at least four attempts public office, running each time as a Democrat. Mother Jones states “…the Phelpses have even been invited to — and attended — both of Clinton’s inaugurations.” http://motherjones.com/politic.....loves-hate

That is absolutely a drop in the bucket compared to the number of people killed by Christianity since its advent:
http://www.truthbeknown.com/victims.htm

As far as the victims of the so-called athiestic philosophies – The tyrants simply replaced one religion with another, the worship of themselves, using exactly the same principles as Christianity did – threat of death.

As far as Jesus existance – There is absolutely no contemporary record to support his existance as presented in the bible, Those who did write about him generations later were relating hearsay based on oral legends

All Torah-upholding Jews, and that would include Jesus (by his own statement) would believe that no one can atone for the sins of another, but every man must atone for his own sins as stated in the law : Deuteronomy 24:16 “Every man shall be put to death for his own sin.”

If you are one of those who believe in original sin, then check your bible a bit further in Genesis 3:22 and you will find that Adam and Eve had not yet eaten of the fruit of eternal life that would have allowed them to live forever, therefore, they were MADE MORTAL. No such thing as mortal sin bringing death to the world.

“Without the Jews and their religion there would be no Christianity and no hope for any of us.”

Wrong. Without PAUL, there would be no Christianity. Jesus had no contact with nor did he preach to Gentiles. Christianity is called Pauline Christianity for a good reason. It’s made up by Paul with a bit of pagan flavor added and in no way has anything in common with Judaism except that Jesus was a Jew.

A buddhist saying is that there are many paths to the top of the mountain but the one who wastes his time the most is the one who goes around and around the mountain telling all the others that they are taking the wrong paths.

Again, my thanks! Post on! We can learn much from different points of view. Then again, other viewpoints only serve to confuse and distort. Oh well….
Pastor Dak! :-)

Yes, Christianity has hijacked the ten commandments, however the Jewish moral code lies in the entire Torah which Christians do not follow.

“What these pentecostal, fundies forget today is that the NEW Testament is the answer (not the end all of the Bible) to the prophecies and promises of the Old Testament.”

When read with a Christian slant, along with the editing and misinterpretation that is the norm, you can make it sound like the OT prophecies Jesus, however, if you read the Jewish interpretation and explanation, not a single line deals with Jesus. The Jewish messiah is to be a fully human male who during his lifetime, among other things, brings world peace and rebuilds the temple. For a claimant to die before achieving this shows him to be a false messiah.

” The love of Christ and his forgiveness through his resurrection are the real goals of Christ’s coming to earth. ”

Jesus explained clearly the means by which one achieved eternal life in Mark 10:17-19, These directions fall entirely under what Jesus, as a Torah-upholding Jew, would have believed. Virgin birth, crucifixion and resurrection are not and never have been in Jewish thought, nor would they have been in the mind of the real Jesus. Since there were only Jews and pagans at that time – pagans who believed in all of the above – where do you suppose your story came from? Rome was a hothouse of pagan belief and was always willing to add another god to its stock, simply absorbing it. Catholicism grew in Rome and was almost identical in its precepts to the already thriving Mithraism, so much so that several early church fathers complained that Mithraism was invented by the devil in advance to mimic Christianity.

You are certainly free to believe as you wish, as am I, but a good dose of ancient history will certainly give you a new way of looking at your religion.

You are either a Jew or a Christian. You cannot be both. At best you can be a Christian of Hebrew origin, no longer a Jew. Perhaps you like to think so but you should really look a bit deeper into how Jews in Israel view your prosyletizing. They neither need nor want Christian missionaries in Israel.

“G-d in manifest flesh came as a Jew in Yeshua (Jesus) to save the world from sin. He was and still is the ultimate blood sacrifice for all of humanity.”

Deuteronomy states that one individual cannot atone for the sins of another and everyone must atone for their own sins. Blood sacrifice was ONLY for inadvertant sins and the format for sacrifice was clearly defined in the Torah. HUMAN SACRIFICE WAS FORBIDDEN. Your story has pagan roots, carri, not Jewish ones.

“There are abominable historical events in all religions — including the Christian religion. We have to take in the good and shun evil.”

On that we agree.

Don’ ask, don’t tell

Defence of Marriage Act

When we tolerate governmental homophobia, when we
tolerate homophobic preachers, we get idiots like this.

It does not surprise me to find out that they also hate Jews.

-peace.

I will BLESS them that bless you (Israel), and CURSE then that curses you, and in you shall all the families of the earth be blessed.

These dissenters certainly are a cult — they are obviously not too bright.

Oh, the Protestants hate the Catholics,
And the Catholics hate the Protestants,
And the Hindus hate the Moslems,
And EVERYBODY hates the Jews….

The latest Westboro antics got me to thinking; Phelps hates the Catholics, and now he hates the Jews…so when is the old civil rights lawyer going to turn on African-Americans? He’s already calling Obama the Anti-Christ, so his condemnation of the entire Black community can’t be far behind.

on June 25th, 2009 at 1:58 pm

Ed Weston wrote”The Roman Christians needed to separate themselves and their religion from the jewish roots of christianity in order to thrive and grow in Rome.”

The only thing that Christianity has in common with Judaism is a Jewish man. as their figure head. As far as Jewish roots go, a rabbi once described it thus: David had a garden and in it grew beautiful tomatoes. Matthew came along and planted cucumbers in the same garden and then told everyone that the roots of the cucumber were actually the tomato.
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Sorry Lora, I’m not picking on you today but I must have been concentrating too much on carrisima’s corkers to see
anything else yesterday.
If one means that the only purpose Jesus served was to be a figurehead for Christian(ity)s, it goes much, much farther than that. The entire Christian world today is governed by the moral code of the Judeo-Christian disciplines. What these pentecostal, fundies forget today is that the NEW Testament is the answer (not the end all of the Bible) to the prophecies and promises of the Old Testament. The love of Christ and his forgiveness through his resurrection are the real goals of Christ’s coming to earth. Either the blood of Christ covers us or it doesn’t…. Yesterday, today, AND TOMORROW! A true Christian cannot have it both ways. Fundamentalist guilt consciences get in the way of true fulfillment of that promise.
I think you were on the right track… but it is so much more than just… a Jewish man!
Peace, Blessings, Hope,
Pastor Dak!

on June 25th, 2009 at 7:39 pm

“How can this group consider themselves Christians by anti semitism?”

Gentile Christians have always been anti-semetic.
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I can’t believe I missed this…. Jews who became Christians are known as Gentiles…or Gentile Jewish people. Gentile Jews have never been anti-Semitic, just the opposite. The Messianic Jewish religion today is a good example. They want to bring Jewish non-Christians to Christ; I hardly consider that anti-Semitic.

Christ came in manifest flesh as a Jew not to change the law of the old testament but to fulfill its prophesies and promises

The greatest commandment is to LOVE the L-rd with all your heart, soul and mind then love your neighbor as yourself.

G-d HATES sin and has described many examples of sin in his book — so the premise goes to us human beings — love the sinner and hate the sin — the trouble with that is that both sin and sinner are condemned by our creator in the end because the offense cannot be separated from the offender.

When Christ cast out evil spirits he would say, “go and sin no more.”

Either you believe these premises or you don’t.

Insofar as the name-calling agitators on this site who obviously hate christians — I have nothing to say to you — but I will certainly pray for you.