As a Jew, I almost wonder if I should be honored.

God hates nobody. He might get pissed at times but he does not hate anyone. Geeeezz dumb people everywhere..

“Fag Jew Nazis”? How many followers this nutcase have?

As a gay Jew, I am twice blessed. And this surprises you? This is the exact same thing that Don Wildmon of the American Family Association has been saying for years. Jews are too tolerant of gays.

A great deal of their commentary on the “liberal media bias” is code for the “Jewish controlled media.”

I’ve been reading about the antics of WBC for quite a while now, and I wonder why they call thenselves Christians because they seem to hate everyone who is not one of their congegation. They are the poster children of the right-wing extremist movement. IMO they are all certifiably insane.

So if the Jewish supposed descendants of those who killed Jesus (which I thought it was the Romans but whatever) are still guilty two thousand years later, shouldn’t the descendants of the U. S. slaveholders still be guilty of their ancestors’ crimes a hundred and fifty years later? What sort of people were Mr. Phelps’ ancestors, I wonder?

Oh, I forgot, WBC (I always think “white blood cells” when I see this) isn’t too big on that logic thing.

An interesting fact is that this group gets police protection each time they do something at a funeral. Emotions run high and at one Serviceman’s funeral a few WBM picketers received the interactions of emotionally enthusiastic attendees.
Some bones were broken & the remaining pickers took flight. Now they employee the local constabulary to protect them against the results of their folly.

They obviously WANT to stir emotions & frankly, I think they revel in it.
Now this new angle on “Christ-killing Jewish people” has me worried. The line has been played so long that I don’t think they will get the beatings they seek, Or perhaps it is just a safe move on their part to lay off the funerals which can quickly spread from singular to plural.
But you never know….

Oh look everyone! JEWS CAN TRAVEL TIME!!!! Where do you want us to visit? The stone ages??? The ice ages? Hell, we can even confirm the Big Bang theory!

….Whatever happened to logic? Whichever group “killed jesus”, can’t be responsible today for what happened 2000 years ago, wether it be Jews, Romans, Pagans, Big purple haired freaks with red polka dots, wtv. If this is the case (opposite to what i believe), then Shirley and her group needs to repent for the Crusades, the Witch Hunts, , and the fact that she has an illegitimate child (Not trying to discriminate anyone who actually does though, fyi, just showing her hypocrosy ;)), and her father, Fred (The one in charge) needs to repent for his child and spousal abuse, drug abuse, dog killing, fraud in court, and much more (Read up Addicted to Hate. Very interesting. I kind of pity them after reading that)

It’s pretty obvious what they are up to if you know he Phelps family business modus operandi. Most adult members of this family are lawyers (now they haven’t been disbarred for pernicious litigation is a mystery to me but…). They live by provoking lawsuits. Look it up!–http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=231
Somebody must have told them that going after Jews will net them more profitable lawsuits.
They truly are the scum of the earth.

It’s building. It’s quiet, but there are “green shoot”manifesting the beginning, which can be recognized by those who can see.

The year is 2012. Take note.

It was not part of their blood,
It came to them very late
With long arrears to make good,
When the Saxons began to hate.

They were not easily moved,
They were icy-willing to wait
Till every count should be proved,
Ere the Saxons began to hate.

Their voices were even and low,
Their eyes were level and straight.
There was neither sign nor show,
When the Saxons began to hate.

It was not preached to the crowd,
It was not taught by the State.
No man spoke it aloud,
When the Saxons began to hate.

It was not suddenly bred,
It will not swiftly abate,
Through the chill years ahead,
When Time shall count from the date
That the Saxons began to hate.

Rudyard Kipling

How prophetic.

Jesus probably never existed

Christianity was just used as a control to keep the people in line in europe

in Europe you needed to be a Christian or you were an outsider, the jews killed Jesus according to the Christian leaders and therefore they needed to be targeted

It still goes on today, just look at websites like ^[4]

Jews have been the scapegoats for all the christians for the last 2,000 years

Just look at the Bush administration, the Bush administration has destroyed this country and who wanted them? The Christians

And now they will blame the jews like they always do

Everything is always the jews fault according to the Christians

Jews created the disease that eventually spawned Islam and Christianity so I guess they should be blamed for that

is anybody surprised?

these people are total morons.

but then again, maybe the reason why i´m thinking that way is that God hates me too since i´m swedish?

What the so-called “Westboro Baptist Church” is promoting as an “article of faith” (Deicide being the proper term) was actually discredited by the Roman Catholic Church per the Second Vatican Council.

Notwithstanding the likes of the Society of St. Pius X.

Actually, to the comment two spots above, the John Hopkins Geopolitical center or department estimates conservatively that 130 million people have been killed this century as a result of naturalistic (read: atheistic) philosophies. As far as Jesus existing…no legitimate historian begins to question that–to do so you would have to question the entire rest of ancient history, and you betray your ignorance. Shame on you for judging a philosophy (Christianity) by its abuse. At least with naturalism, the atrocities committed are logical outworkings of the belief system–not so for Christianity, or any major world religion (there is one argument for killing in the name of Islam, but it is rejected by about 2/3 of Islamic scholars)

Everyone knows WBC is nuts. You will find crazy people of every race, creed, and culture, although WBC has achieved a pretty high standing in it.

Humanity destroys humanity. And until we learn to accept responsibility for that, we will continue to do so, and most of it will not be noticed the way WBC is (at least most people know that WBC is wrong–most of our own offenses we don’t even recognize).

HoosierDONK said,

“Fag Jew Nazis”? How many followers this nutcase have?

A good amount, but as I understand, the entire congratulation is related. Judging by looks and apparent intelligence (and man do a lot of them look hella creepy), along with that I have heard about them when I lived nearby – I would imagine that many are nieces, daughters, and grandaughters …all at the same time.

Looking at them, to me, is like much like watching that X-files episode called “Home”.

Scary people – but as outlined in this article, paying them attention probably gives them exactly what they want.

What surprises me is that they have not yet been locked away for hate crimes, or put away in mental wards.

Some family trees are wide, some are narrow, and some are indistinguishable from fence posts.

“Scary people – but as outlined in this article, paying them attention probably gives them exactly what they want. ”

Yup. At Tips-Q, we stopped writing about these crazies for just that reason. They crave negative attention.

Good read in today’s NY Times on WBC:
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Maybe Phelps is applying for a chaplain’s post with the Aryan Nation, given this new rhetorical tack. I don’t suppose it ever crosses his mind, no pun intended, that if the Jews killed Jesus then they didn’t do a very good job of it.

Personally, I blame the Romans. If they had invested in more lions we wouldn’t be in this mess now. A classic case of infrastructure underfunding, if ever I saw one.

But maybe not showing these gruesome existences actually gives them a possibility to grow? I´m not sure if I think it would be good to meet them with silence.

This is simply ridiculous. I’ve addressed these issues on my blog many times as recent as last week. I’m not sure what part of the Bible they’re blind to, but I believe there’s something in there about LOVE, forgiveness, mercy and tolerance many of them need to read.

What’s more amazing is not so much the ministers allow this or promote it, but that other churches in particular the ministers of those churches have not challenged these Pharaisees lack of knowledge of the nature of God.

Radical for Christ –> ^[6]

To be fair, all religious people are fundamentally insane at various levels, only the degree of rabidity is different between one believer and the next. These lovely Christians along with their Islamic and Israeli terrorist colleagues are indistinguishable, they’re all the same.

What with the jewish revolt and the costs of retaking their country. Jews were very unpopular in Rome. The Roman Christians needed to separate themselves and their religion from the jewish roots of christianity in order to thrive and grow in Rome.
Christian Anti semitism was born at this point.

What needs to be done to these people is for other people to surround the Phelp’s gang, point their fingers at them, and laugh at them long and hard. The devil hates being mocked!

The big question I have is, why do people still listen to these people? Also this is one reason why the churches are damn near empty on Sunday morning. And we wonder why people have turned their backs on organized religion.

WBC makes my stomach churn. Why can’t something be done? And how can the Government and child agencies let small children be sucked into this poison?

“Shame on you for judging a philosophy (Christianity) by its abuse.”

Doesn’t it say in the bible that you can tell the tree by the fruit it bears and that a rotten tree bears rotten fruit? Christianity has been the most efficient killing machine of all time for the past 2000 years.

In any case, the high priests of Jesus time were placed there by the Romans and cooperated with them.. They were despised by the average Jew and most likely by Jesus as well. The was never a custom of releasing a prisoner during Passover, either by Jews or by Romans so the choice is a fabrication as well.

Ed Weston wrote”The Roman Christians needed to separate themselves and their religion from the jewish roots of christianity in order to thrive and grow in Rome.”

The only thing that Christianity has in common with Judaism is a Jewish man. as their figure head. As far as Jewish roots go, a rabbi once described it thus: David had a garden and in it grew beautiful tomatoes. Matthew came along and planted cucumbers in the same garden and then told everyone that the roots of the cucumber were actually the tomato.

As a very conservative Christian – and a soldier – I am deeply offended by idiots like this. The New Testament didn’t give Christians the job of taunting and tormenting those with whom we disagree. Nor did God give us the job of deciding who or what He hates.

I did have the privelege of disrupting these knuckleheads’ protest at a military funeral a few years back.

My understanding is that the WBC is made up of two families, and that’s it. In Phelps world view, only the members of his church (ie his family and a family linked to his family) are going to be saved and everyone else is going to hell. As a result his Phelps can justify any behavior because he alone understands God’s will. Phelps is one very sick unit.

Westborough Baptist Church was in my nearby city of Albany at a High School, protesting some sort of “respecting differences” day in which gay students were recognized as equal citizens. This group is beyond “Christian conservative”. They sound like a white anglo saxon protestant spin off of some of those crazy militia groups in Idaho. Most Evangelical groups remain very close with jews and the state of Israel. How can this group consider themselves Christians by anti semitism?

“How can this group consider themselves Christians by anti semitism?”

Gentile Christians have always been anti-semetic.

I don’t get how he claims to be Christian and claims that God hates the Jews…if I remember right, the Bible still says the Jews are still the Chosen People…though It basically says everyone is chosen, otherwise there would not be an open invitation for all to “come to Christ.” Anyhow, Jews are not bad people. The ones I’ve met were very nice. I’ve met nice people in all religions actually. I’ve also met nice Atheists. Same goes for the opposite. I’ve met mean people in all walks of life. You can’t pinpoint just one group as bad or good. Life is entropy, and people change, for good and bad. People have kids, cultures change, nations change. This guy is a big jerk and definitely a big annoyance and a bad influence.

These people don’t live on the same planet as we do.
My theory is that there is an alternate universe. That is
where they are. Somehow, they are not really here, but they just appear to be.

I also have another theory for all of the insanity going on.

I think there is something in the water.

Please realize that the WBC group is very small in number, almost all family members and a small number of followers. I believe God is going to have a field day with these lil’ pikers when they stand before God. After all, Jesus was a Jew, hand picked by God to be God’s Son/representative on earth.

The Phelps’ clans are in no way associated with anything Christian or any Christian denomination. They are out there, twisting in the wind, any direction the wind blows, until time eventually takes them away and deposits them in the earth.

Fred Phelps is a bona-fide nutcase. He needs to be put
in the latest style straitjacket, and given a nice,
comfortable padded cell to live in–and kept there
permanently.

Does the SPLC have an estimate of the actual number of members of the WBC?

true, true geoff.

This family makes me think of a swedish political party called the Swedendemocrates. They were met with silence for some time and I´m pretty sure that´s one of the reasons they have actually managed to grow. Not only that reason of course. But if there was an election in Sweden today they would be able to make it into the parlament. Not that I think this church will but if they are met with silence they may be allowed to grow. Maybe it´s better to meet them with real arguments?

Or then again, maybe they´ll grow because of that? Tough problem…

i love the jewish people , and as a christian blk male , jesus himself said ”don’t worry if they hate you, they hated me first”i love my foes, even though they hate me

Hi EvaLis and all others amazed at this sorry excuse for a human being-Phelps. Actually he sends his mouthpiece, Shirley Roper-Phelps and their little children and grandchildren of the members of his church out to do his dirty work, carrying signs of hatred.
I suppose one can object and oppose this little squeak-toy of a runt, but his clan have done such a good job of being obnoxious that they have actually done themselves in, politically, spiritually. and socially. Their numbers are going nowhere.
Thank God!
Dakotahgeo in KCMO–approx. 70 miles away from them.

If you examine Phelp’s bio you will see he is a borderline genius with a West Point background. His church is comprised almost entirely of his extended family. I strongly disagree with Phelp’s political agenda as a whole — but can see the “biblical” rationale in some of his reasoning, except when it comes to homosexuality. Here, the man speaks the truth according to the Word of
G-d. His extremism and drive is just what is needed to balance out the homosexual agenda which extremism and drive is unparalelled. Non-christians certainly have the right to judge christians — this is the United States of America — as do Christians also possess the right to judge only under the authority of G-d’s written word, non-christians and their adverse behaviours. The balances are imperative and extreme.

carrisima, you don’t happen to be a Phelps ‘wannabe’ now would you?
Your bible-thumping, and Phelp’s extremism and drive are what are hurting Phelps and his philosophy the most! Depending on who wrote Phelp’s biography, I would hardly describe this man as a near genius.
A lot of people are extremely intelligent…and at the same time…awfully stupid!
Dakotahgeo

What is surprising to me is that people don’t seem to understand that Westboro Baptists church and Phelps are not that different than the average Southern Baptist in their beliefs. They differ from their more “mainstream” Baptists in that they do not wrap themselves up in the American flag and meld “God and Country”; but other than that, their beliefs about homosexuality, abortion and non-Christians are the same.
They had been up to their general hateful nastiness for some time(many years). It wasn’t until they targeted killed US soldiers that the US press covered them.
This is a nice counter web site that I found years ago. Enjoy.
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Carrisma,
“non-christians and their adverse behaviours.”
Carrisma, truly…I thought we might have found some peaceful common ground if at least for a moment. Simply being a non-Christian means that I engage in adverse behaviors? Now that’s the kind of ideas that lead to people thinking that a non-Christian might be a threat to them.

POTTER!!!
Good to see you back again! We may not agree on “religiousity,” heh heh heh, but you DO raise some very strong points on why non-Christians tend to shy away from some Christians, or as I call them…Chris…chuns!!!
The Southern Baptist Church wouldn’t even have anything to do with the Phelps wackos, dropped them years ago. The only similarity to Baptist for the WBC is the word itself.
We have plenty of non-christian witnesses in this world who are upstanding, morally responsible and at least walking the ‘talk’ that so many hypocridiotic Chris—chuns fail to carry through on.
Don’t even get me started on non-christians and their adverse behavior….ugh! We Christians have enough to clean up on our own porches before we tackle anyone else’s!!!!
Pastor Dak!

Yes….hypocridiotic….heh heh heh…new word….I wish I could take credit for it, but alas, it is floating around somewhere else on the internet also…from some self-depricating (sp) republican person. Dak!

The bible has been re-translated and changed over the centuries. The catholics have mentioned this too I think. I could google it and verify it on some archaeology website or something at some university, but it has lost some of its luster thanks to man. About the only part I believe is in the new testament where Jesus says there’s only one law now, and it surpasses everything else, including the old testament… that’s love one another as you would love me, or something like that. Makes sense to me. I don’t think God hates gays or “sinners” anymore than your gradeschool teacher hated you if you got some wrong answers on a test.

There is absolutely no excuse for disrupting anybody’s funeral. Everybody, including the most despicable people, should have the right to mourn their dead in peace.

and something else fact wise: Fred Phelps is one of 16 people banned from ever entering the UK .. what a complete fruitcake .. granted he may have a West Point education but that does not make him smart .. maybe he’s bored .. but now I believe it’s gotten to the point where society does not take him all that seriously anymore — granted what he’s doing and has done is demeaning and wrong ..

To Joseph Barney
If it’s the same G-d who created the universe we are talking about, certainly this creator has control over the only book he’s left us to know about him.

Christ came in manifest flesh as a Jew not to change the law of the old testament but to fulfill its prophesies and promises

The greatest commandment is to LOVE the L-rd with all your heart, soul and mind then love your neighbor as yourself.

G-d HATES sin and has described many examples of sin in his book — so the premise goes to us human beings — love the sinner and hate the sin — the trouble with that is that both sin and sinner are condemned by our creator in the end because the offense cannot be separated from the offender.

When Christ cast out evil spirits he would say, “go and sin no more.”

Either you believe these premises or you don’t.

Insofar as the name-calling agitators on this site who obviously hate christians — I have nothing to say to you — but I will certainly pray for you.

EMM:
Amen, and AMEN!!!
Pastor Dak!

Lora Singer said,

on June 25th, 2009 at 7:39 pm

“How can this group consider themselves Christians by anti semitism?”

Gentile Christians have always been anti-semetic.
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I can’t believe I missed this…. Jews who became Christians are known as Gentiles…or Gentile Jewish people. Gentile Jews have never been anti-Semitic, just the opposite. The Messianic Jewish religion today is a good example. They want to bring Jewish non-Christians to Christ; I hardly consider that anti-Semitic.

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Lora Singer said,

on June 25th, 2009 at 1:58 pm

Ed Weston wrote”The Roman Christians needed to separate themselves and their religion from the jewish roots of christianity in order to thrive and grow in Rome.”

The only thing that Christianity has in common with Judaism is a Jewish man. as their figure head. As far as Jewish roots go, a rabbi once described it thus: David had a garden and in it grew beautiful tomatoes. Matthew came along and planted cucumbers in the same garden and then told everyone that the roots of the cucumber were actually the tomato.
________________________________________________
Sorry Lora, I’m not picking on you today but I must have been concentrating too much on carrisima’s corkers to see
anything else yesterday.
If one means that the only purpose Jesus served was to be a figurehead for Christian(ity)s, it goes much, much farther than that. The entire Christian world today is governed by the moral code of the Judeo-Christian disciplines. What these pentecostal, fundies forget today is that the NEW Testament is the answer (not the end all of the Bible) to the prophecies and promises of the Old Testament. The love of Christ and his forgiveness through his resurrection are the real goals of Christ’s coming to earth. Either the blood of Christ covers us or it doesn’t…. Yesterday, today, AND TOMORROW! A true Christian cannot have it both ways. Fundamentalist guilt consciences get in the way of true fulfillment of that promise.
I think you were on the right track… but it is so much more than just… a Jewish man!
Peace, Blessings, Hope,
Pastor Dak!

Dont waste too much time splitting hairs here, folks. It comes down to this fact: God loves Everybody (and so do I).
P.O.E!

Amen, Ross!!!
AMEN!!!
Pastor Dak!

I’m reminded of Tom Lehrer’s song about National Brotherhood Week…

Oh, the Protestants hate the Catholics,
And the Catholics hate the Protestants,
And the Hindus hate the Moslems,
And EVERYBODY hates the Jews….

The latest Westboro antics got me to thinking; Phelps hates the Catholics, and now he hates the Jews…so when is the old civil rights lawyer going to turn on African-Americans? He’s already calling Obama the Anti-Christ, so his condemnation of the entire Black community can’t be far behind.

To Lora Singer
I am messianic and Israel is the center of the world to us.
G-d in manifest flesh came as a Jew in Yeshua (Jesus) to save the world from sin. He was and still is the ultimate blood sacrifice for all of humanity. There are abominable historical events in all religions — including the Christian religion. We have to take in the good and shun evil. Do you live in NYC? Shalom.

To Potter
You are correct and I apologize — there are also Christians exercising adverse behaviors — sometimes even ME and certainly this group in. The only difference between Christians and non-christians is that one group is forgiven. Apparently, those mentioned in the article haven’t read that In Genesis 12:3, God said to Abraham,

I will BLESS them that bless you (Israel), and CURSE then that curses you, and in you shall all the families of the earth be blessed.

These dissenters certainly are a cult — they are obviously not too bright.

carrisima,
We can definitely agree: they are none too bright! :)

Just because someone/some people claim to be a religious organization does not make it so. These people should not be allowed to get away w. that.
How many times are these clowns going to yell “Fire” in a theatre before that sham is shut down.

It doesn’t make any sense why they would claim that God hates the Jews. really I don’t understand. I was under the impression that Jesus was actually a Jewish man. I was also under the impression that god and Jesus taught lessons of love, understanding, and acceptance. I don’t think interpreting the Bible, to hate people is putting across the correct message. I don’t really agree with these Westboro people.

-peace.

Kyle, right on!
Your Christian outlook is correct. That is why they have such a small following. The entire Phelps cult consists of about 3-4 Phelps’ families, plus a small assortment of kooks, totaling less than 40 people for the entire congregation.
Their message also is well known and laughed to scorn by most people, even those who hear them for the first time.
They are not dangerous people, just very, very poorly wired… by their own hand, I might add.
Pastor Dak!

This homophobic church is not so far away from official
government policy.

Don’ ask, don’t tell

Defence of Marriage Act

When we tolerate governmental homophobia, when we
tolerate homophobic preachers, we get idiots like this.

It does not surprise me to find out that they also hate Jews.

Once upon a time a guy with a similar name assisted in the decapitation of the English King Charles. Does Mr. Phelps fancy himself a star athlete or does he believe a Catholic king to be Jewish?

Mike, if you saw this guy Phelps, you would laugh yourself silly. This guy is a slug! If his family members weren’t members of his church, he’d have no following at all. He’s just pathetic!
Dakotahgeo

These loonies are forgetting that we had chicken fried Nazis for breakfast, lunch and dinner. Talk about D U M B !

Thanks Dakotahgeo. I will have to take a look at this dope. Good news from Germany! They’ve overturned certain treason convictions from Hitler’s time. I’ve recently viewed some German movies with English subtitles which are excellent. Sophie Scholl and Europa Europa are among them. Hope I got the spelling right.

I saw that movie about Sophie Scholl. Sophie and her
group were heroes, and they should be better known.
I was glad they made that movie. It took a lot of courage
to print and distribute anti-nazi leaflets in Nazi Germany.

carrisima wrote: I am messianic and Israel is the center of the world to us.

You are either a Jew or a Christian. You cannot be both. At best you can be a Christian of Hebrew origin, no longer a Jew. Perhaps you like to think so but you should really look a bit deeper into how Jews in Israel view your prosyletizing. They neither need nor want Christian missionaries in Israel.

“G-d in manifest flesh came as a Jew in Yeshua (Jesus) to save the world from sin. He was and still is the ultimate blood sacrifice for all of humanity.”

Deuteronomy states that one individual cannot atone for the sins of another and everyone must atone for their own sins. Blood sacrifice was ONLY for inadvertant sins and the format for sacrifice was clearly defined in the Torah. HUMAN SACRIFICE WAS FORBIDDEN. Your story has pagan roots, carri, not Jewish ones.

“There are abominable historical events in all religions — including the Christian religion. We have to take in the good and shun evil.”

On that we agree.

Pastor Dak – ” The entire Christian world today is governed by the moral code of the Judeo-Christian disciplines. ”

Yes, Christianity has hijacked the ten commandments, however the Jewish moral code lies in the entire Torah which Christians do not follow.

“What these pentecostal, fundies forget today is that the NEW Testament is the answer (not the end all of the Bible) to the prophecies and promises of the Old Testament.”

When read with a Christian slant, along with the editing and misinterpretation that is the norm, you can make it sound like the OT prophecies Jesus, however, if you read the Jewish interpretation and explanation, not a single line deals with Jesus. The Jewish messiah is to be a fully human male who during his lifetime, among other things, brings world peace and rebuilds the temple. For a claimant to die before achieving this shows him to be a false messiah.

” The love of Christ and his forgiveness through his resurrection are the real goals of Christ’s coming to earth. ”

Jesus explained clearly the means by which one achieved eternal life in Mark 10:17-19, These directions fall entirely under what Jesus, as a Torah-upholding Jew, would have believed. Virgin birth, crucifixion and resurrection are not and never have been in Jewish thought, nor would they have been in the mind of the real Jesus. Since there were only Jews and pagans at that time – pagans who believed in all of the above – where do you suppose your story came from? Rome was a hothouse of pagan belief and was always willing to add another god to its stock, simply absorbing it. Catholicism grew in Rome and was almost identical in its precepts to the already thriving Mithraism, so much so that several early church fathers complained that Mithraism was invented by the devil in advance to mimic Christianity.

You are certainly free to believe as you wish, as am I, but a good dose of ancient history will certainly give you a new way of looking at your religion.

Lora Singer, thank you so much! Absolutely, I agree that we are free to follow our own beliefs. You have certainly taught and enlightened me much today. We Christians have a lot to learn yet.
Of course, we believe that Christ (as in the Trinity- God, the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost) knew in advance that he would die, rise again, to be our sacrifice, as it were, for all sins of the world. As I read your post, that is not what you believe. I think it just points up how differently we view our own religious thoughts (and teachings). Thank goodness, we are free in that. The Catholic faith certainly did borrow (and twist, in a unique way, lolol) much from the Jewish faith and doctrine, and from there of course, most Protestant doctrine and theology sprang up.

Again, my thanks! Post on! We can learn much from different points of view. Then again, other viewpoints only serve to confuse and distort. Oh well….
Pastor Dak! :-)

Pastor Dak – I am impressed at the tolerance that you display and from that a great deal of respect springs up.
Not so my stepson, a rabid fundamentalist who hates all other religions. I told him once that all religions are there to make us the best we can be and a path to God for it is one God for all, no matter what we call him, and his reply was a scathing, hateful criticism about “false gods” and heathens. Now we just talk about the weather because that is all there can be.

A buddhist saying is that there are many paths to the top of the mountain but the one who wastes his time the most is the one who goes around and around the mountain telling all the others that they are taking the wrong paths.

Lora!!
Thank you so much, and I LOVE the Buddhist saying. It is so true today in the world we live in. Those religious fundies are a whole different breed on their own mountain.
Shalom!
Dakotahgeo

These people seem to forget that without the death of Jesus there would be no salvation. Jesus died and took the sins of everyone with him – so that we might live. Without the Jews and their religion there would be no Christianity and no hope for any of us.
Personally I prefer to align myself with the Jewish people – call myself a believer and not a Christian. The word Christian brings pictures of persecution.

Creina wrote: “These people seem to forget that without the death of Jesus there would be no salvation. Jesus died and took the sins of everyone with him – so that we might live. ”

All Torah-upholding Jews, and that would include Jesus (by his own statement) would believe that no one can atone for the sins of another, but every man must atone for his own sins as stated in the law : Deuteronomy 24:16 “Every man shall be put to death for his own sin.”

If you are one of those who believe in original sin, then check your bible a bit further in Genesis 3:22 and you will find that Adam and Eve had not yet eaten of the fruit of eternal life that would have allowed them to live forever, therefore, they were MADE MORTAL. No such thing as mortal sin bringing death to the world.

“Without the Jews and their religion there would be no Christianity and no hope for any of us.”

Wrong. Without PAUL, there would be no Christianity. Jesus had no contact with nor did he preach to Gentiles. Christianity is called Pauline Christianity for a good reason. It’s made up by Paul with a bit of pagan flavor added and in no way has anything in common with Judaism except that Jesus was a Jew.

Dear Kansas Baptists, I assume you have a Baptist Mission Board for work inside of the State of Kansas as we do in North Carolina. I wonder why you Kansas Baptists have not recognized Westboro Baptist Church’s “outreach” is a little outside of the mainstream of Christian Missiionary zeal and does not look like anything near the attitude Jesus had for those who have sinned. I would thing that Baptists from all over the state would visit WBC and read with them from the Gospels of how Jesus taught that we should love our neighbors and only those without sin would cast the first stone.
Peace be with you. Rudy Whitley

Just a guy wrote: “130 million people have been killed this century as a result of naturalistic (read: atheistic) philosophies. As far as Jesus existing…no legitimate historian begins to question that”

That is absolutely a drop in the bucket compared to the number of people killed by Christianity since its advent:
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As far as the victims of the so-called athiestic philosophies – The tyrants simply replaced one religion with another, the worship of themselves, using exactly the same principles as Christianity did – threat of death.

As far as Jesus existance – There is absolutely no contemporary record to support his existance as presented in the bible, Those who did write about him generations later were relating hearsay based on oral legends

In response to the comment ” They are the poster children of the right-wing extremist movement.”

We can all agree everything the Westboro Baptist Church spouts is horrible. However, I question the “right-wing” label. Fred Phelps has made at least four attempts public office, running each time as a Democrat. Mother Jones states “…the Phelpses have even been invited to — and attended — both of Clinton’s inaugurations.” ^[9]

Every time I hear about or see the jackass Phelps’ family name, I cringe at what their crystal ball will come up with next.
First, as a Christian minister, I would assure ALL Jewish people that they had NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with Christ’s death. We ALL had a hand in it because sin entered the world by Satan’s hand. And he wasn’t killed against his wishes. He went willingly for our sins to be totally absolved by his death ANNNDDD…resurrection.

This balderdash about races, and sexual orientation,.. Ol’ Phelps isn’t smart enough to realize he and his family have made absolute fools of themselves in front of God and all God’s creation. Actually, the entire family follows this idiot savant out of total unabashed fear.

I wonder where this family will end up when Fredrico and Shirley, and their relatives die off. The day should come so soon!!!

Happy Easter, all!

PS: Not surprisingly, the Democratic Party and all Baptist denominations want nothing to do with these tilted windmills.