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SPLC Finds New Evidence of Extremists in the Military, Urges Congress to Investigate
The Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) today urged Congress to investigate growing evidence that racial extremists are infiltrating the U.S. military and take steps to ensure that the armed forces are not inadvertently training future domestic terrorists.
In a letter to committee chairmen with oversight over homeland security and the armed services, the SPLC said it recently found dozens of personal profiles on the neo-Nazi social networking site, NewSaxon.org, which listed “military” as the poster’s occupation. NewSaxon is run by the neo-Nazi National Socialist Movement and serves as a sort of racist version of Facebook for “People of European Descent.” These profiles are just the latest in a string of evidence the SPLC has provided since 2006 to the Pentagon of extremist infiltration of the military (for SPLC’s reports, read here, here, and here).
The NewSaxon profiles include an individual who says he is about to be deployed with the Air Force overseas and is looking forward to “killing all the bloody sand niggers!” Another poster who claims to be currently serving in Iraq writes that he “hate[s] illegal immigrants with a passion and feel[s] every true red blooded, white American should do whatever it takes to stop the foreign invasion.” He lists Adolf Hitler’s Mein Kampf as one of his favorite books. Another poster currently serving in Afghanistan lists as his favorite book The Turner Diaries, which was written by neo-Nazi leader William Pierce and served as a blueprint for the Oklahoma City bombing. Many of the profiles include pictures of the posters in military uniform.
These profiles provide further evidence that current Department of Defense regulations prohibiting “active participation” in extremist groups are inadequate because they can be interpreted to allow members of the armed forces to be “mere members” of hate groups or to engage in unaffiliated extremist activities, such as posting racist and anti-Semitic messages to social networking websites and E-mail lists or maintaining online profiles filled with racist materials.
An article posted yesterday on Stars & Stripes’ website about SPLC’s call for congressional action reported that “military officials gave conflicting answers this week when asked how policies governing racist behavior are being enforced.” A spokesman for the Department of the Army told Stars & Stripes that allegations of racist behavior are dealt with “on a case-by-case basis at the unit disciplinary level or in the military justice system” and have not been “addressed as an Army-wide problem.”
on July 10th, 2009 at 10:36 am
This is chilling.
I am deeply concerned that thes people will migrate after military service to law enforcement and corrections based on their military background. It also is strongly indicative of why the nativists seek to deploy National Guard troop to patrol the border when our constitution prohibits standing armies on our soil.
Are there any studies showing the same groups in civilian law enforcement, border patrol, etc? I am convinced through my research that white supremacist groups are active in the police force here in the deep South.
on July 10th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
Frankly this issue is not freash news. The Military is made up of a Sampling of America & within that Sample there will ALWAYS be bigots. It’s also a unique factor that many who feel this way prior to military service, feel opposite after deployment, especially when interaction for life & health depends on getting along. Of individuals who go on to working within Law Enforcement, the background checking for both advanced military (sensitive) and LEO employment are getting VERY selective. The SPLC has brought increasing light on the issue (& that is a good thing) but this was not ignored many years back.
What would be a seriously difficult issue to deal with is the issue of civilian incarceration being one of the ultimate “factories” for producing an ACTIVE BIGOT where one did not exist before incarceration!
Both State & Federal Prison systems are absolute models of what it takes to wind up with an end result of a committed racist. They are champions of dissemination of knowledge for individual & group targeted violence: well beyond what the Military can do.
While the military deals with Military provided / manufactured equipment (explosives, area weapons, etc) prisons disseminate knowledge about weapons acquired via civilian preparation!
It’s easy to see that the Prison system is by far the better “Graduate School” for those who would actively endanger society! Most any statistic backs that logical conclusion….
Therefore (IMO) the way to make inroads to curbing racist thinking & related violence is to deal with the Prisons & surrounding affairs.
on July 10th, 2009 at 2:50 pm
These ultra right types are unusually cocky these days. I believe that one reason for this attitude could be that they expect to break the bones of a few passive “Gandhi” followers without undue consequence. If they do actually come out from under the rock and reveal themselves more than they’ve already done they might find that “Gandhi” has armed himself. I’m quite confident that these green fools would want to avoid a real confrontation with the United States Military. Ironically, the movie Children of Men could be a kind of warning to them.
on July 10th, 2009 at 7:12 pm
I don’t expect this comment to be up long, but still had to get it off of my mind. First off, I am a white male who is in the military, and have been for almost 14 years. It would take a blind person to say there is no racism in the military, as a previous poster pointed out, the military is just a sampling of our soiciety. I will not tolerate racism from my subordinates or superiors, and am not a racist myself. The part that gets me bent out of shape is that the assault seems to be on radical white groups. These views are no different than the views of the Nation of Islam. Where is the outcry about them? We have to remember that whites are not the only racists in this country, and we should stop acting like they are.
on July 11th, 2009 at 3:09 am
Saw something elswhere here about juvenile detention in Mississippi. There was mention of something called “status offense” like truancy etc. I’ve thought of a kind of double meaning along these lines because of attitudes I’ve encountered in my own experience and lifetime. Certain illustrious personages in our society seem to believe that kids who aren’t from rich families have no status, and that therefore they shouldn’t bother to seek education to begin with. I’m convinced that this sort of bs attitude is the basis of juvenile delinquency. The lower classes are rainbows of racial variety… including white.
on July 11th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
Ryan B, the SPLC has written extensively about the Nation of Islam and other hate groups that are not populated by white men and women. You might consider doing a small search before you accuse others of bias.
on July 12th, 2009 at 10:52 am
Thank You Ryan B, you are absolutely correct!! Bloods,Crips,Nortenos,Sorenos and MS13 members have “infiltrated the military” but the SPLC continues to Discriminate.
on July 12th, 2009 at 11:15 am
Again, you are totally wrong. The fact is, there happen to far more white supremacist hate groups than black or Latino or any other race. All you have to do is search the site for stories about black separatist groups to see that the SPLC has never discriminated. I guess the white, male victim stance is just easier for you. A word comes to mind to describe such a man that is often used to describe cats, too.
As for the bloods and crips: they are generally content to hate each other.
on July 12th, 2009 at 7:32 pm
The SPLC may consider Nation of Islam a hate group but I do not. They are radical, it could be, but the tend to contain their actions to ostensive and symbolic acts of rhetoric to remind people of the racism and discrimination they have suffered. However, you don’t see me here attempting the villify or discredit the SPLC because I don’t think Nation of Islam should be on the watch list, it’s merely a question of perspective and one that merits discussion. The raving right wing nativist freaks however are out there killing cops and threatening people, killing kids and everything. Maybe if moderate conservatives did the right thing for once and got on board with the liberals about this and admit we’re right to be concerned, we wouldn’t have so much confusion about who’s a right winger and who’s a Nazi. Look at Pat Buchanan, Rush Limbaugh, and now that fool Congressman from Iowa the other day who voted against the slavery memorial because he felt it slighted Christian fundamentalists. How do these jokers get elected? Now if anyone is upset about being associated with racism just because you are part of the right wing, maybe you might take a look at what so many “mainstream” Republicans are saying and doing day after day to give ordinary people that impression. It’s flat out un-American the way the GOP is headed, and pointing fingers at the SPLC for keeping track of it is plain silly.
on July 13th, 2009 at 6:59 pm
From the article above, what exactly is–”People of European Descent”???
“People of European Descent” comes in all shapes, sizes and color. One can say Its as multi-cultural and diversed as the U.S. To those who are informed about the world regarding Europa, we see cultural tensions among “people of European descent” in many European cities. For instance–recently in Ireland, there has been deep racial violence between Irish folks and immigrants from Romania. Both are white. The same is said true about Polish folks who were also attacked because they are Poles. Both of them white.
There’s a lot of racial tensions among white Europeans in Europa that American nazis aren’t aware of. Is there really such a thing as “people of European descent”??? I see a dark man as an European from Germany. Can he be a member of theNewSaxon because he’s a person of European descent???
on July 14th, 2009 at 8:26 am
“as a previous poster pointed out, the military is just a sampling of our soiciety.”
A great deal of research is now availible that details how attractive military, paramilitary and law-enforcement careers are to highly authoritarian personalities. As such, they all contain far higher numbers of aggressive, fearful, and cognitively simple-minded personalities than one finds in the general population.
And given their tendency to use violence on those who do not fit their preconcieved (and usually conservative) notions about who the good/bad guys are, it seems self-evident that arming and traiing such people to kill is NOT a terribly smart thing to do.
Their under-developed social/empathic skills also serves to shield them from the feelings of remorse the rest of us have upon destroying another person’s life.
Put this all together and we have good reasons to root out and dismiss highly authoritarian personalities from any position that enables RWAs to act out the aggressive impulses that would otherwise land them in prison.
on July 14th, 2009 at 9:14 am
“Therefore (IMO) the way to make inroads to curbing racist thinking & related violence is to deal with the Prisons & surrounding affairs.”
Sociologists at Oklahoma Corrections Dept., who were looking into criminality and recidivism , wrote a paper strongly associating those who display conservative ideals with those who are also capable of doing great violence to others. They also note that in order to get an inmate to “see the light”, it is first necessary to get them to drop their authoritarian ways. Because prisons are staffed with guards whose own beliefs are strongly conservative/authoritarian, the authors pointed out how difficult it is to teach inmates to shed their conservatism and begin thinking for themselves when all around them them are conservative guards telling them to obey and stop thinking independently. They also must live in a system that it extremely hierarchical and testosterone-drenched, predictable and routine. Such a lifestyle almost compels someone entering prison to adopt authoritarian attitudes toward people, traits that will be with them long after they are released.
“Change in the Conservative Personality Equals Change in the Offender with a Resultant Reduction in Recidivism”
http://www.doc.state.ok.us/off.....50725C.htm
on July 14th, 2009 at 9:52 am
I looked into this a bit from the ’06 report & the present. The reality is that most of these geniuses are E6 or below & their career is (for all intents & purposes) finished.
Actually I find the stupidity of these fellows posting this crap on the internet astounding. “I have a great interest in Skynbirds & promoting the interests of the white race”…..
What a slick move to ruining one’s career in any branch of the Service!!
I think that especially the Marines (with the NIS looking closer at you) will get the fastest slap down.
Realistically, the majority of these young men are quite low functioning, self destructive pawns for guys like Metzger & will never really have any “power” to threaten anyone. Their access to most mil-spec materials are being pulled well before we have even discussed this in the open, etc.
People bring up the “Tim McViegh” element, with great concern. That IS a serious issue, however I really doubt that will quickly be forgotten.
Morons posting “1488″ blather are only making themselves much easier to harvest. The tragedy of it is, that many will believe differently as they mature but the damage they have done with their idiotic posing will stay with them….
on July 14th, 2009 at 10:36 am
Beholder brings up a scary point…where do these whackos go when they leave the military?
A lot of cops were called up by the National Guard and ended up doing tours in Iraq. Then they came right back here, with no time to decompress, and put on their blue uniforms. How many of them have PTSD? How many of our cops are ticking time bombs ready to go off??
These Nazi Klan scumbags are even worse, they were psychotic BEFORE they were exposed to 15 month tours in a hot war zone. They will come back into our communities with homocidal skills, thanks to the Pentagon. They’re going to be trouble no matter where they go or where they get a job.
These psychos have NO PLACE in the US Military. And they have NO PLACE in law enforcement or corrections.
The Pentagon is lookign the other way. I think it is because there are a lot of “sympathizers” to this reich wingnut hate in the Pentagon, and some of them are wear ing stars. Their negligence in this matter is astounding.
The “Christian” Reich is also infiltrating our military and are causing a lot of trouble. They characterize Iraq as a holy war pitting Christianity against Islam. And they also have their supporters in high places in the Pentagon.
on July 14th, 2009 at 10:44 am
Genosyde, if you want to know what “people of white descent” means, you should contact the racist inbreds at the saxon website. THEY said that phrase and SPLC is just quoting it.
I don’t WANT to know what “Genosyde” means. But I bet it has something to do with that brown shirt hanging in your closet.
on July 14th, 2009 at 12:39 pm
Actually some of you who brought the “law enforcement” catagory, may be exaggerating the concept that neo-Nazis are joining LEA’s in great numbers. That isn’t the case. Since many LEA have a ethic hiring practices. Neo-Nazis tend to have tattoos hence racist symbols, wording and logos associated with white supremacy. In most cases these turd reichers do not get hired. Not to mentioned that half of them have some form of a criminal record. And because of the mainstream media recent exposure of mental illnesses attributed from wars overseas. Most returning soldiers tend to develope type of PTSD’s which is brought up during hiring process. Its not imperative to assume that neo-Nazis are joining LEAs on every level. Sure they are a few of them here and there in some departments. But I don’t think that’s a cause for any alarm. Unlike the U.S. Military which has as an open policy that rarely enforces its own standards, the LEA does however have strict recruitment and hiring standards hence the code of conduct and moral practice to ensure the public’s trust. Background checks are conducted to determined if they were or are members of such extremists organizations. Juxtaposing LEA with the military is quite fallicious.
Snorlax–
“I don’t WANT to know what “Genocyde” mean. But I bet it has something to do with that brown shirt hanging in your closet.”
My simple answer to YOU–don’t bother bringing it up if you don’t want to know it means. But I can ensure you that it has nothing to do with “brown shirts”, apparel or whatever. My name is more of a referrence to my cultural significance. So your “bet” is at a disadvantaged.
Thanks.
on July 14th, 2009 at 4:12 pm
It is of no coincidence, that if a neo-Nazi were to sign up and join the law enforcement. What exactly does that mean?
Interpretation:
1.) He’ll defend the U.S. Government and the status quo.
2.) Protect the U.S. President, that includes Barack Obama.
3.) Protect federal interests. Both economically and politically. Technically, he”ll have to side with the government, since its their duty to defend and protect U.S. interests.
In hindsight, with all the rash of cop KKKillings by white supremacists, a neo-Nazi with a badge and a law enforcement uniform will have no other choice but to go against his brothers, in the name of the rule of law. Otherwise, he won’t be a cop for much longer if he can’t do his duty as he was sworn to do.
on July 14th, 2009 at 5:01 pm
Endemic racism and minor acts of inculcated prejudice are just as harmful on the wide scale as racially motivated violence, at least as far as law enforcement is concerned. Traffic tickets, little abuses of dignity, etc, they all contribute to racial strife and injustice even if the CNN helicopters aren’t out there filming it. It’s not just conduct, but attitude that needs changing.
We don’t have a full database of statistics on why LEOs choose to detain people, in many cases due to “driving while black” (or Latino, South Asian or what have you). The LEAs most likely to practice racial profiling are going to do everything in their power to laugh off complaints and call it the race card. The police have too many entitlements with not enough checks on their authority.
Many LEAs resort to the same argument, “well, we didn’t get any complaints before Officer Goebbels shot that black kid by mistake, he was no racist”. But how welcoming is a police station to someone who may have learned to run from patrol cars since they were little because their friends, family and neighbors were all being harrassed for generations? What about the ones who heard from their uncles and older brothers how people of color who stand up for themselves in jail are beaten down by their jailors, and that equal rights is a myth? How about the towns in the south that had (have) a black cop do the white chief’s dirty work in the black neighborhoods?
I am not apologizing for minority individuals who commit crimes and deserve equal treatment under the justice system, but I am criticising the mentality so prevalent among LEAs that victims of racism are just going to skip in there and point the finger at the man. It doesn’t happen like that. People who are subject to racism, real racism, don’t turn to the authorities. They try to move on, forget about it, let their self esteem erode. Sometimes they take matters into their own hands and this turns into hate crimes. If we want to stop hate crimes, we need to understand how this happens.
on July 15th, 2009 at 3:06 pm
Here’s an article I thought was quite unusual but funny. Recently an FBI’s most wanted neo-Nazi fugitive Mickey Mayon was arrested in Isreal. An excerpt from the article is a quote from the Interior Ministry spokewoman:
“He was here because he thought this was the last place they look for him.”
http//www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/articl6707805.ece
on July 16th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
I love the usual posters here at SPLC, talk about left wing domestic extremist terrorists and bigots. This site draws them like the flies they are. Pesky and annoying but relatively easily brushed off.
on July 16th, 2009 at 1:34 pm
This is issue is concerning to me at several levels: as the daughter of a US Army vet who was a Liberator & as a civil rights activist who rode the freedom trains in the 1960′s.
These individuals espouse an ideology that calls for the destruction of the the current system in order fulfill their hopes of a race war and the installation of the master race in power.
More importantly with these views they cannot fulfill their oath of service to defend the US constitution.
on July 16th, 2009 at 4:02 pm
Extremeists in the military, eh?
Oh look! Here’s one now!
“talk about left wing domestic extremist terrorists and bigots.”
Translation:
Left-wing = anyone he doesn’t agree with
extremist = anyone who doesn’t agree with him
terrorist = anyone he doesn’t like
bigot = anyone who doesn’t like him
Poor soul. You really have no idea whatsoever about what is being measured on the Left-Right political spectrum, do you? “Us” and “Them” is good enough for deciding who to obey, who to shoot, who to believe, who to avoid, who to follow, who to fear… The classic authoritarian need for certainty, fear of ambiguity, whose integrative simplicity compels both denial and projection to be crammed into the same sentence without any sense of hypocrisy whatsoever. Absolutely fascinating….and good evidence that DHS’s Counter-Terrorism Panel was correct to issue their warning.
on July 16th, 2009 at 6:29 pm
Well my first post was not displayed on the 10th, lets try again!
For your info they have been watching hate groups in the military for a couple of years, They started watching some La Razo groups becouse they were using military training to kill folks when they rejoin the gangs again!!
Bet this won’t be printed!!
on July 16th, 2009 at 8:23 pm
This is not surprising. As others have pointed out the military has a long history of institutionalized racism. Couple that with the fact that it’s sole purpose is to train people for violence and this post 9/11 hysteria to “eliminate anyone [read Muslims that interferes with American liberty” and it is a breeding ground for hatred and domestic terrorism that is sanctioned by the government and flies under the radar.
At the rate we are going the draft will be reinstituted and then all males of color will be subject to this racism from people that should be there to “cover their back” not actually stab them in the back.
Let’s also not forget that the military is sexist as well so if women are also subject to mandatory military service there will be an increase of sexual harassment (or worse) in addition to the racism driven violence.
on July 16th, 2009 at 9:56 pm
Hey Mycos, I learned from the best extremists alive. Left wingers.
Mycos said,
on July 16th, 2009 at 4:02 pm
Extremeists in the military, eh?
Oh look! Here’s one now!
“talk about left wing domestic extremist terrorists and bigots.”
Translation:
Left-wing = anyone he doesn’t agree with
extremist = anyone who doesn’t agree with him
terrorist = anyone he doesn’t like
bigot = anyone who doesn’t like him
Poor soul. You really have no idea whatsoever about what is being measured on the Left-Right political spectrum, do you? “Us” and “Them” is good enough for deciding who to obey, who to shoot, who to believe, who to avoid, who to follow, who to fear… The classic authoritarian need for certainty, fear of ambiguity, whose integrative simplicity compels both denial and projection to be crammed into the same sentence without any sense of hypocrisy whatsoever. Absolutely fascinating….and good evidence that DHS’s Counter-Terrorism Panel was correct to issue their warning.
on July 17th, 2009 at 10:57 am
I think if you compare ideology to conduct, you will come closer to seeing the truth, Mark. But let us look a little bit at ideology since that seems to be your concern.
The left wing is urging tolerance, and the right wing is urging intolerance. Intolerance vs tolerance is not the same as intolerance vs intolerance.
The metaphysical equivalent is knowlege vs unknowing, or darkness vs light. Hate is not knowing – hate is unknowing.
Let us not forget that education dispells ignorance, just as light dispells the darkness.
on July 17th, 2009 at 12:50 pm
Part of the problem is that we now have a Black president, but blacks and Hispanics are not joining the military direct elit combat units, these are the Guys that come home in flag drapped coffins. 87 % of the combat deaths in these two wars are white Middle class males, where are all the women and minorities? Here is an article to read:
The Color of Combat – The minority-disproportion myth
NRO ^ | | Mackubin Thomas Owens
As I was channel-surfing late one evening last week, I was stopped in my tracks by the spectacle of Phil Donahue “interviewing” fellow master of pomposity Chris Matthews about the latter’s views on a war with Iraq. Matthews was waxing indignant about how President Bush’s Iraq policy had been hijacked by neoconservatives who had never served in uniform. (Of course, neither did Matthews.) He then claimed that in the event of a war with Iraq, racial minorities would suffer disproportionate casualties, since minorities make up nearly 30 percent of the military. Donahue heartily agreed.
This old saw also has found its way back into politics. A case in point is the Texas senatorial race. In a September 13 speech in San Antonio, the Democratic candidate, former Dallas mayor Ron Kirk, accused his Republican opponent, John Coryn, Texas Attorney-General, of being more favorably disposed toward war with Iraq because the children of the latter’s wealthy friends would not be “in the front lines.” “Look who would be doing the fighting,” said Kirk. “They’re disproportionately ethnic, they’re disproportionately minority…I would be curious to see if we would go to war without any thought of loss if the first half-million kids to go came from families who made one million dollars.”
The contention that in America’s wars, minorities bear a disproportionate burden of the fighting and dying has long been a staple of Left-wing rhetoric since the Vietnam War. Even as late as the Gulf War in 1991, Jesse Jackson, addressing a largely black audience, claimed that “when that war breaks out, our youth will burn first.”
But as Will Rogers once said, “it’s not the things we don’t know that get us into trouble. It’s the things we know that just ain’t true.” The claim of disproportionate minority casualties wasn’t true during the Vietnam War, where the record indicates that 86 percent of those who died during the war were white and 12.5 percent were black, from an age group in which blacks comprised 13.1 percent of the population. It is even less true today.
To understand why, it is necessary to look a little beneath the surface. While overall, minorities comprise 30 percent of the Army, one of the two services that would be expected to bear the brunt of close combat in Iraq, they tend to be underrepresented in the combat arms. As the incomparable Tom Ricks observed in a January 1997 article for the Wall Street Journal, the “old stereotype about the Army’s front-line units being cannon fodder laden with minorities” is false.
The fact is that blacks disproportionately serve in Army combat-service support units, not combat units. When Ricks wrote his piece, such units had become “majority minority,” with more black soldiers than white. By contrast, he observed, the infantry, which generally suffers the most casualties in wartime, had become “whiter than America.” African Americans constituted nine percent of the infantry, compared to 11.8 percent of the age eligible civilian population. In 1995, 79 percent of the new troopers were white, compared with 74.3 percent of civilians. There is little evidence to suggest that these figures have changed much over the last five years
Why is this the case? Ricks pointed out that the new demographics of the Army have to do with the dynamics of an all-volunteer force — Blacks and whites join the military for different reasons. On the one hand, white youths are frequently looking for adventure while they try to raise money for college. As a result, they tend to flock to the combat arms, especially elite units like the Rangers and airborne. On the other, young black males, “are generally seeking skills, and so gravitate toward administrative and technical jobs. Because they often find the Army a fairer and better place to live than civilian society, blacks tend to stay enlisted longer: Though only 22% of today’s recruits are black, the Army itself is 30% black.”
In addition, most pilots are white, as are most special-operations forces, e.g. Navy SEALS and Army special-forces. This leads one to the conclusion that in a war, middle-class white kids, not minorities, would be at the greatest risk, since they make up the bulk of the combat arms. So much for the conventional wisdom.
— Mackubin Thomas Owens, an NRO contributing editor, is professor of strategy and force planning at the Naval War College in Newport, R.I. He led a Marine rifle platoon in the Vietnam War.
on July 17th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
I cannot beleive how much I have to work to find soemthing on the hate groups in America that are about FARRAHKAN AND THE NATION OF ISLAM THAT SPEARHEADED IN the USA and going overseas with it also. I just am amazed that there is not as much stuff on this threat to zillions of Americans and like minded right here in the USA and yeah world wide too. But Largest threat is here. Did anyone hear about the Marshall family in Akron Ohio who were attacked on the 4th of July this year? Police don’t know if this is a hate crime??? and why aren’t we hearing about it and other inncidents like it. Patriotism and how many people of all diverse backgrounds think about their Country is common and has beed around for years. In the Marine Corp they’ll tell you they are all Green and brothers and sisters alike.
on July 17th, 2009 at 3:42 pm
The Nation of Islam deserves its share of credit for the success of the civil rights movement. This is not to say Mau Mau black nationalism is the way to go, but listen with an open mind. Some quotes from Louis Farrakhan:
“America will always side with those whom she can direct, give orders to and have those orders obeyed.”
“Anarchy may await America, due to the daily injustices suffered by the people.”
“America desires a moderate Islam; an Islam that America can control; an Islam that America can give direction to and give orders to its leaders.”
“I think that rather than condemning Islam, Islam needs to be studied by those who are sincere.”
“Naturally, when one makes progressive steps, there may be some who see it as a betrayal of their goals and interests.”
“There really can be no peace without justice. There can be no justice without truth. And there can be no truth, unless someone rises up to tell you the truth.”
on July 17th, 2009 at 11:38 pm
@sferguson
Nice spin. But all you’ve done is prove exactly what we’ve been saying. The military will take bodies whatever their color. Since most of us don’t really like to go killing people, only psychopaths, “flag-wavers”, and/or people desperate for cash/career, will volunteer to do it.
This is born out by the higher numbers of minorities who, once in, gravitate toward the rear of the column. It seems that while blacks go in support jobs, whites probably because more of them joined looking for “adventure” rather than cash, head into the elite units. This is no doubt facilitated by the higher than normal ratio of whites in the officer corp.
Now you yourself said that minorities stay in the army longer. Logic tells us that, all things being (ahem!) equal, there should then be more blacks being promoted up through the officer corp, this given their additional experience and knowledge of how things work. But that isn’t the case at all, now is it?
Look. These are just simple facts. Because conservatives are more aggressive and more willing to do violence to people merely because someone else told them it was the “right thing to do”, conservative authoritarians make up a disproportionate number of those in the military. And because they are more likely to be prejudiced against women and minorities than other personality types, women and minorities remain in the lower pay grades.
http://www.armyg1.army.mil/hR/.....202008.pdf
on July 18th, 2009 at 11:23 am
Beholder, “the right wing is urging intolerance”
What the hell are you talking about? The right wing is not urging intolerance, you must be brainwashed or something. lol
I’m talking about La Raza in the military which is a racist group!
Remember La Raza? The race, all for us and nothing for them!! Remember that?
on July 18th, 2009 at 11:30 am
Beholder, “”Anarchy may await America, due to the daily injustices suffered by the people.”
Oh like ACORN, Ya I have had about enough of this $hit myself! That’s why tea parties are popping up all over the country!
on July 18th, 2009 at 6:08 pm
Mark, shut up. You Beck-head rightard idiots are the reason why groups like the SPLC need to exist.
on July 18th, 2009 at 6:18 pm
BEHOLDER…. Dare I say you got TELL written all over you! Oh God Not Another brainwashed NOI?FARRAHKAN Pawn.. When some of us speak of NOI we mean nothing about Islam. And generally speaking I DOUBT Farrahkan does either. Non profilt/hate group/black theology/black nationalist/black seperatist… Genocide whitey, Promises of Reperations to anyone who is black and follows Farrahkan and splinter groups.. Ah so many grassrooting daily. Maybe get Farr in some more power with his FOI etc Army he is building behind the Islam curtain in the USA.
on July 18th, 2009 at 6:49 pm
BACK TO MY ORIGINAL THOUGHT WHEN POSTING
I am wondering why Me, Myself and I are not seeing much more exsposer of the people who are in my opinion EXTREMLY Anti American and of Hate for white America and whites world wide (their decription of white changes when confronted) I am speaking of The Nation Of Islam that is Spearheaded by Farrahkan and all the MANY splinte groups r and growing grassroots groups in the USA. I never realized why not for profit was so popular.
Ty
on July 20th, 2009 at 11:51 am
Mark,
Why are you bringing the tea party trenchermen into this, who want to live off the fat of the land, rack up a $3 trillion bill to get Saddam Hussein, then blame somebody for taxes going up. Has the concept of a loyal opposition crossed your mind?
Regarding Farrakhan and NOI, I was simply pointing out some things he has said, not promoting the organization. No need to ratchet up the hate speech just because someone has a different point of view than yours.
Finally on La Raza, you are mistaken, to the point of embarassment. Race and raza are not identical words. Race can be translated from Spanish to mean race, it can also mean all people (as in human race), or breed of animal for example. You don’t say “what race of dog is that?”, do you? No, you say what kind of dog, or what breed is it. In spanish you say raza. It really isn’t so hard to understand. Actually it shows you have no clue what La Raza is or does.
on July 20th, 2009 at 3:31 pm
BEHOLDER….. Hate speech? What hate speech? Are you refering to me as in I wrote a hate speech? I’ve requested before for you to please be a little more specific in your sentences because when you don’t, your comments are vague. In communicating with people in comment boxes as oppose to in person, much more of what we write can become misconstrued and or lost when we aren’t clear in our communication. Thank you in advance. I am interested in knowing of what hate speech you are speaking of. I may have missed one or more of your comments before I entered the room.
on July 20th, 2009 at 3:44 pm
And speaking of “La Raza”, there is none more racista than the “La Raza” of a FAIR sidekick–”You Don’t Speak For Me!”. I can’t think of anything more racist than those self-loathing, self-hating, pride lacking, traitorous anti-Hispanic Hispanics than “You Don’t Speak For Me!”.
The dubious organization is a sub-group created by white nationalists aimed at having Hispanics turn against Hispanics. A divide and conquer method, manipulated by FAIR, in order to achieve their pro-white agenda. Basically, the treacherous Hispanics involved in this group–”You Don’t Speak For Me!” are nothing more than fodder for hogwash, they are sock puppets played upon like an exploitable nincompoop. Blinded by the very fact that 99.9% of the Natavist movement is comprised of KKK/neo-Nazi sympathizers and pro-white interest groups.
on July 20th, 2009 at 4:59 pm
GENOSYDE
What a peculiar name….
LaRaza I personally have not heard of this group. The LARAZA… But when I read your comments that it is really a white group that started it as in divide others. My first thought is that this is not a true statement. The reason is , is that it is my understanding that is it the White race that is the minority in the USA yet this is not recognized. And It is oh so too often that the white race is blamed for so many things under the sun. It’s becoming mor eand more difficult to believe that the whites are such horrible people. Sometimes if several groups of unalike types are so busy complaining and bickering about one race (the whites) then they tend to keep their eyes off one another. That’s not smart but very common. Anger Blinds The Soul Of It’s Own Best Interest. I read that somewhere.
BTW does anyone want to talk about why The US Government will not bring all the troops home and stop the constant fights and deaths overseas?
on July 21st, 2009 at 7:58 am
“What a peculiar name.”
What is so “peculiar” about it? Is it because I’m more creative than you? Is “TY” a short abrev. for [ty]pical? Since “TY” is a common name….
“LaRaza. I personally have not heard of this group. The LARAZA….’
What on Earth is “LARAZA”? Are you sure you’re talking to me? Because looking back on my comment, I said nothing about “LARAZA”, not sure WTF that is. Maybe you have a severe case of reading incomprehensional disability? Perhaps ADD? In case you can’t read, I said–”La Raza!!”. Then again, “La Raza” really is nothing more than a small time street gang and I don’t know why is it that white supremacists always love to bring up “La Raza”. As if they’re talking about the street gang like some big conspiracy of having a couple teenagers taking over the country, how lame does that sound? Its really retarded to assume that one small time street gang which comprises of teenagers, but tell me you’re not scared of a bunch of 12, 13 and 14 year olds. That would be laughable wouldn’t it? I did a google search on the street gang “La Raza” and quite frankly, they’re nonexistent in most states. And you dastardly white supremacist are going on crying about “La Raza”. Sorry, but I don’t recall the “La Raza” ever blowing a federal government bldg.
But because of your lack of reading skills. I was discussing the FAIR funded sidekick–”You Don’t Speak For Me!”. I don’t know if you’re familiar with that organization, but if you haven’t heard of them, then you really must have your head far up your ass. You might wanna do a google search into “You Don’t Speak For Me!” and then you’ll know exactly what I’m talking about.
“But when I read your comment that it is really a white group that started it [sic] as in divide others.”
First, have YOU, as a white supremacist, ever heard of FAIR(the Federation for American Immigration Reform)??? After all, they were the ones who funded the La Raza–”You Don’t Speak For Me!”. If you have not heard of FAIR, I guess I’m wasting my time with you.
“And it is so oh too often that the white race is blamed for so many things under the sun.”
Who’s blaming them? Well, if you want my opinion on something relating to “white”. I actually “blame” *white supremacists* for the domestic terror attacks on the federal bldg in Okalahoma City 1995. I blame the *white supremacist* for the killing of law enforcement officials who are just doing their jobs to maintain law and order in this great country. But if your talking about white people in general, the last time I check, white supremacists are not white people in general but an extremist element swayed from the general population. Bent on criminality and murder. Juxtapositioning the general white folks with white supremacists would be like listing spiders in the same family as scorpions. They don’t belong.
on July 21st, 2009 at 4:39 pm
Let us not forget color blind racism, which can involve white people who are not white supremacists per se, and may even be emotinally or ideologically opposed to white supremacists, but are themselves contributors to racism simply by denying that racism exists.
Since the status quo is of benefit to the color blind racist, it is in every way an insidious kind of racism that seeks to uphold the ideal at the expense of the empirical and to prevent real social change from taking place.
Color blind racists can be among the first to cry reverse discrimination when their racism is exposed, and may feel genuinely offended by others who point out their racism. Color blind racists refuse to see how the inequality still present in America is direct descendent of slavery, misogeny and mercantile colonialism.
They are guilty of perpetuating the problem instead of working toward a solution.
on July 22nd, 2009 at 5:02 am
Ryan B., Nation of Islam doesn’t join the US Military. they consider it to be “the white man’s Army”, they think it’s purpose is to enforce white dominance.
on July 22nd, 2009 at 5:48 pm
The final thing I have to say about Nation of Islam, besides as I have said before that I disagree (respectfully) with the SPLC tracking them as a hate group, is that being a militant for a group of the oppressed is a lot different than being a militant for a group of the oppressors. I know why they are on the list, but I just don’t think NOI is very relevant at all these days as a hate group. They are kind of theatrical more than anything else, like a clenched fist made out of paper mache.
on July 23rd, 2009 at 6:57 pm
Genosyde…. Wow! I’m not even half way through your response and you’ve lost me! Way Way Way too much as in OVERUSE of the put down talk… Cut back a little will ya… Maybe we can get back on subject, learn a little from one another, even if it’s just a way of thinking and communicating that we think is on one of the lowest levels.. Again, anger blinds the soul of it’s own best interest.. If you want to condense your response having it more filled with decent conversation stuff and not put downs I’d be happy to reread it. Otherwise, too wordey for me..
on July 23rd, 2009 at 7:00 pm
genocide..PS… put down some hate group all you want. But why not keep the trifel stuff about me swimming around in your head as oppose to wasting the comment box.
Peace ; )
on July 23rd, 2009 at 7:05 pm
Allen…
On the Nation Of Islam. I heard soemthing that I am not sure is true and that is that Farrahkans NOI has more members that are in prison than the public is aware of. My thoughts are that in prison there ar emany Chrisitan and or born again Christian or so I thought and the NOI is about Muslims. But come to think of it the NOI has all those splinter groups and they are pretty much every reliousou faith/cult and beleif system one can conjure up! But still do youthink it could be that the NOI has many members that are in prison? (please don’t bother correcting me on my spelling as I already know I spell terribly bad.
Peace : )
on July 23rd, 2009 at 7:12 pm
BEHOLDER
I do doubt seriouly that you beleive what you just wrote about the NOI. In the case it is true then you could be blinded a bit by the theatrics. But even refering to them as theatrics causes me to question your true thoughts. Sometimes we don’t just disagree respectfully. Sometimes we are simply just do not buy what we are hearing. That is how I think about your words. I say this with all respect to your rights to say what you want to. I get that part of comment entries. I woudl like to ask if you do find any group on the SPLC list that is of predominatly black people, what group would that be? If in fact any?
Peace to us all.
on July 23rd, 2009 at 7:19 pm
BEHOLDER…
Please name me some incidents wherby there is the white oppressing the black? Give me something specific please so that I can have something solid to think about and consider that possibly your statement is of truth. I do seek to have better understanding. I like to learn on a constant basis. I could start with improving my grammer but heck, that just bores me to tears!
on July 23rd, 2009 at 8:55 pm
@Beholder: …”being a militant for a group of the oppressed is a lot different than being a militant for a group of the oppressors.”
Very well put. And I agree with you on color blind racism. Actually, I think it’s far more insidious than outright hate speech. It’s harder to fight and harder to identify. I saw a short film that highlighted this very thing at a diversity training session and I wish I could remember the name. An Asian man had a weekend get together to talk about racism. One of the white men in the group started out with the color blind racism rationalizations and ended up in tears having finally understood just how harmful those attitudes were to him and everyone else. Damn, I wish I could remember the name of the film!
on July 23rd, 2009 at 9:54 pm
beholder ,
Your joking right? So a more appropriate type of hate group to you is Operation Rescue or The Boy Scouts. The reason people hate is because they were born that way. You hate me because all I have to say is that I am a Christian. You hate Christians. You and your Ilk oppress Christians and would kill all of us given a chance. Who are the real hatters here folks.
on July 24th, 2009 at 8:35 am
Very weak Franko. Your concept is quite retarded and one-sided. Contradictory to your basic and simple argument, it can very easily be applied to someone who isn’t exactly a white male ‘Christian”.
You’re right, pal, personally I despise white gentiles who hate me for being a non-White for no appearent reason or logic. Why on Earth do white gentiles commit the highest rates of hatecrimes and murders per capita in the U.S. one might ask? So to borrow a line from your puny quote, maybe its because you were–
“born that way.”
Born with hate, that is. We are now seeing this all over the nation. whites against Blacks, whites against Latinos, whites against Natives etc, etc….
It must be really stressful to be a white male “Christian”, eh?
on July 24th, 2009 at 10:03 am
Shadow Wolf, I guess you don’t count the murders of whites by nonwhites as hate crimes. Typical.
on July 24th, 2009 at 10:38 am
I think the SPLC has not written extensively on Farrahkans Nation Of Islam. I base this on the fact that if they had then I would be learning more about them and or I would be reading things that I already know. I don’t see a lot of stuff about Farrahkans NOI that I already know. I want you to note that in all respect to whomever. When I use the non profit organizational name of The Nation Of Islam I try to continue to make mention that This NOI is Farrahkans. I do not want it to be confused with other Islamic and or Muslims good or bad.
Thank You
on July 24th, 2009 at 10:50 am
Steve,
Got proof?
I’d be glad to debate you on that one. Also, define “Hatecrimes” in the DOJ and the FBI’s database.
“I guess you don’t count the murder of whites by non-Whites as hatecrimes.”
If the FBI and the DOJ doesn’t count them as such, then no, I guess you’re right that I do not count them according to the law.
on July 24th, 2009 at 11:06 am
Frankos not weak it’s a true statement. Also I notice in conversations it like this. The white man is the oppressor and he needs to understand how he makes oppressed people feel (Lisels story on the Asian and then white man cries) That is what is weak and I will gladly tell you why. YOu (your type) hate whites period. You don’t care if they cry or not you want them gone. Chip on the shoulder remains. Blame all on the white race remains. What happening is nonsense is making sense to those who hate whites. Irrational thinking is what is going on. A taught mindset by the black theology. It is what it is. There is not the magnatude of oppression going on today and even back then it wasn’t all by the hands of the white man. Black Theology started this and it just spins out of control. The hate for the white race remains. The nonsensical thinking/mindset remains. (if I am black I can not be a rascist) If you are white you cannot be oppressed) It’s BS and yeah, your know it. The mind can be a terrible thing
on July 24th, 2009 at 11:15 am
Steve,
Knowing the way of thinking of the haters of the white makes it easier to not become so OH MY GOSH! as in hard to phathom what they may write/say/etc. Typical EXACTUALLY! There won’t be any fair minds, balanced comments, sence being made, rational thinking existing. The downward spiral of thinking doesn’t end. I often laugh when I see comments about “oh the white man is trying to divide us” It’s a load of crap and they know it. I should think the black man and others shouldn’t take their eyes of the Hispanics and Latinos. Do you know what power they could have if they all started to speak Spanish more and more. Many of us would be lost! PS. I think the hate against white race is based in jealosy first. wanting something the other has. How do you trade/take intelligence of the mind? How do you trade/take muscle?
on July 24th, 2009 at 11:28 am
It is my opinion that there is no larger hate group in the USA than the black Hate groups. Who would like to stomp on everyone not of their definetion of blackness, even each other as is often done. I mean look at Africa alone it’s rampant. There are so many places worldwide that would also be great examples. But they see their first competion to be of the white race and see the white race as the easiest to spew hate about. To think that if they (these specific types-respectfully not all) were successful, that there would be harmony in the USA let alone world wide. It’s a known farce as they will fight with ALL OTHERS besides their own continuously. This is afterall human nature but some in my opinion have much more of a destructive and self destructive mindset that can not be extinguish easily.
on July 24th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
TY,
Seriously do you think anyone is paying attention to you? You don’t have the rational logic for a debate without changing subjects. Its sort like this nut is talking to himself.
But don’t bother responding to my comment, just so you’ll know, I won’t be reading anything from a “TY”…..so bug off.
P.S.–btw, I’m not Black.
on July 25th, 2009 at 12:16 am
I think it’s interesting that you pick out my story about the film I saw and then go on to say we hate white people. If you can find a person whiter than me, I’d like to see them. I am damn near transparent, I’m so pale. In fact, I dare say I fit the hyperbolic stereotype of a white person: I listen to opera, I am a college professor, and I am a snob. So tell me, Ty, why is it you think I or anyone else in this comment thread hates white people?
This is not a zero sum game.
on July 26th, 2009 at 5:46 pm
Remember Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols. Enough said.
on July 27th, 2009 at 4:38 pm
Franko said,
on July 23rd, 2009 at 9:54 pm
beholder ,
You hate me because all I have to say is that I am a Christian. You hate Christians. You and your Ilk oppress Christians and would kill all of us given a chance. Who are the real hatters here folks.
———————
Nuts.
I never said that I hate Christians, and I do not. That’s a wild eyed accusation if I ever saw one. You must be so full of stereotypes that you are getting them confused.
on July 27th, 2009 at 6:39 pm
MOUNTAINGIRL
I think possibly your comment was cut off at some point. You named two men who did a horrible thing in a state in American. Was there something to follow or was that it? You certainly don’t exspect resonable minds to think that because of these two WHITE men that this equates to WARNINGS All ACROSS AMERICA do you?
on July 27th, 2009 at 6:49 pm
MOUNTAINGIRL..
II think maybe your comment got cut off. I see basically you wrote down two mens names who planned and executed a horrible thing against innocent people to make a statement. How these two white men’s action equate to the whole of military other is LUDACRIST! My other comment son a different topic show that you already know or maybe you don’t and this site along with yoruselves is bias and or narrow minded. To take Timmothy McVeigh and place the country on somewhat of an alert ot OHH beware of military people is ABSURB! So is the fact that when the President heard about Gates he got involved but when he heard about the Marshall family in Akron Ohio he sat in silence likely puffing away on his ciggarette. Isn’t it funny how race is an issue when a black man cries race and it’s not but race is not an issue when a white family gets mobbed by 50 black youth. This SPLC is lobsided, bias, and a whole lot more in beinga bad site check box. And YOU ALL seem just fine with this. That’s just another reason this country is going down the toilet. PS. I don’t care if your PURPLE!
on July 27th, 2009 at 6:58 pm
I will gladly leave this site as I have said what I needed to say and saw what I was told I would see on SPLC site. But know this. Those of you who denie the existance of many other higher threats to our great Nation other than Timothy McVeighs Know that no matter what you say to me here today. I WOULDN’T BELEVIE YOU NOW IF YOUR TONGUE CAME NOTORIZED. You are Anti American in my eyes.
NEWS FLASH… Muslim Rebels Exspnad Attacks In Nigeria. At Least 80 Dead. Islamic Group Wants More Islamic Law Across Nigeria.
Let’s see.. this threat is in the USA and who opens the door wider and ask them to sit down for some drinks? Bklack Thology,Nationalist,Seperatist, Supremacy and leaders alike.
on July 30th, 2009 at 4:36 pm
Ty, I am not sure you understand Islam.
on August 2nd, 2009 at 11:19 am
I can’t understand why the Military hasn’t seen this before. Do something before it grows like cancer all over our armed forces. We are to be one and always united not divided. We are the apple of god’s eye, everybody is the same. Stop the hate NOW. Our country needs all of us to be stronge not weak, and sit still. When we sit still that is the devil’s work shop at his best. NO MORE HATE!
A proud american. United we stand Divided we fall
Saundra
on August 3rd, 2009 at 5:05 pm
Beholder.
Yes, I do understand more of Islam than it seems to you. You are talking about Islam to the left? in the middle or the extreme of Islam?
Chilling huh Beholder?
on August 3rd, 2009 at 5:09 pm
Sandra,
Certainly you are aware of the hate that is not of Islam and or under the guise of Islam that is right here in the USA? There are other sites that In my opinion would shed light on a muc broader array of hate and much that exist right here in the USA. Tool around the internet in other places. You will certainly bumb into more than what is shown on the SPLC site and others like it. Branch out some more…
Peace
on August 4th, 2009 at 11:07 am
Ty,
You are probably talking about people raised in mosques in Afghanistan on nothing but the sword verses of the Holy Quran, or some Saudi or Qatari dissidents that have nothing to do with fundamental Islam that prohibits mistreating prisoners, killing women and children, or many of the other acts motivated by extremism. There are many different interpretations of Islam and huge cultural diversity around a single religion.
There is nothing chilling about Islam. What is chilling is the bigotry and hatred against Muslims because of their religious persuasion.
on August 5th, 2009 at 1:06 am
Just because there’s a facebook or New Saxon profile that says military , you got guys sitting around taking notes on this? For real? Almost everyone in the movement considers themselves a soldier so that would be a military.
on August 5th, 2009 at 9:48 pm
It is difficult for me to keep a conversation going as the monitor of this SPLC site decides which of my comments will be allowed to post and which will not. Notice if I say much about info on the FARRAHKAN FOLLOWERS then these comments no longer get through. Thinsg that make you go hmmm. If I mention black on white crimes that this site either doesn’t post and or puts up for a day. Unlike all the white or other against blacks and even the imagined crimes against blacks. the famouse race card. then these don’t get posted either.
on August 6th, 2009 at 12:55 am
When they find hate groups in the military they should be dishonorable discharge from the military,5000 hours of community service, talking about how not to hate for 5 yrs., or 5 yrs. in prison. or both.
saundra
p.s. i know that i am just an american just like everybody else, but i would like to talk to Mr.Dees. what a brilliant man.
on August 6th, 2009 at 9:14 am
So if hate groups are found within the military they should be discharged and placed in community service and jail. This is a good plan. I am just assumming you would mean all persons found to be of hate groups in the entire USA and or anyone affiliated with the USA who may be out of the country. So that would mean that we the USA would need to build way more jails than we have because there are a lot more hate groups than ones that can be found in the military and the other hate groups are actually under some not for profit orgainizations. Wow.. huh! Chilling?
on August 6th, 2009 at 11:13 am
The term “race card” is generally used to trivialize any claim of racism. I can’t think of any civil rights violation lately where someone didn’t try to brush it aside as the “race card”. Let me tell you something, anyone who has suffered real discrimination would not liken the experience to playing cards. The label is misleading and itself generally racist.
on August 6th, 2009 at 2:34 pm
Couldn’t agree with you more, Beholder, on “race card.” It implies that the person is seeking to gain from a situation, one which they generally did not put themselves in to begin with. It’s similar to people using politcal correctness to justify their own bad behavior. “Oh, you’re just being too politically correct,” when someone takes offense at something said, or, “I’m not politically correct,” before they say something they know will cause offense. Chaps my hide.
on August 6th, 2009 at 11:02 pm
I agree that congress needs to do something before this problem gets too big. They need to get a spiecal commitee, and a spiecal prosecutor. If we want change then let all of Washington DC get involved.
Saundra
on August 7th, 2009 at 10:16 am
Liesl I have found most people think of themselves as good and acceptable, even if their behavior is not. The color blind racist may not realize his or her own racism, even when shown the facts right up front. People’s stereotypes and convictions are so deep that they prefer to hold onto them at all costs. It becomes difficult to sort out what is fact and what is stereotype so they go back to the comforting ignorance of before.
on August 7th, 2009 at 7:18 pm
Race Card…. Used so often by blacks that the word in iteself RACE CARD is 99% affiliate with a black peron, group,cause. 99% of this RACE CARD is against whites. Otherwise known by Blacks who hate whites as “The devil.” If you look into the news and you see a lot of attention being brought against mostly whites and say in recent news and on this SPLC and others sites. You will see that the topic is about Whites/Islamic…. Then go to Africa news and you will see that there have been recent break outs of wars, fighting, murders, etc going on between Islamic Muslims (light skinned but not generally refered to as whites in the political world. But most defienlty can pass as a white especially in the black eye. There you see the connection. Go back through archives etc..all over the communication world and you will see the connection. The tie. Well guess what… Black Thology, Farrahkan etc, brought into the USA open arms the Muslim Extremist. All you have to do is look and you will know it is true. Anyways, unless you are well informed abotu such matters like Beholder is. You wouldn’t be able to pick up on so many things that are in plain site. Do your homework Whites, Non Blacks, and many others who are all the shades but do not agree with this Polictical ideal of talk that was suppose to bring balance and harmony but now like the Islamic Radicals, it seeks to use our own constituion and our own lack of keep and eye on this type. It seeks to bring destruction to us all due to the nature of a self destructive beast. That is my opinion and I am standing by it.
on August 8th, 2009 at 12:25 pm
Hate Gang members are incouraged to join the military not just to inflitrate the hierarchy of the military, but because our society allows preferencial hiring in government jobs such as, postal service, law enforcement and so on.
Remember the majority of these hate gangs are the underachievers of our society- all of them have commited some criminal act- from deaths to poisonings.
these people once found must be tracked where and what they do for life. Especially if they become LEO’s or politicians!
on August 9th, 2009 at 11:12 am
All nazi groups should be listed with the government as Terrorist Groups.
on August 9th, 2009 at 7:38 pm
Well, you know what they say, s**t trickles down from the top. Why do you think we are having this discussion? Why even our president is a racist! If we could all get real here it would be nice. Yes, there is racism in every race. I personally found racism to be more prominent in the black community than anywhere else. Groups like La Raza have their own agenda and yes, it is racial also. Hispanics have more gangs than any other group but blacks kill their own people more than any other group so there is plenty of blame to go around. I like to take a person on a one by one basis and when I do that people seem reasonable at the moment anyway. This is a generalization of course but there are facts to back it up. If people would go inside of themselves and take personal responsibility for everything they do we wouldn’t have this discussion. A lot of the bloggers here seem pretty racist themselves but then again it is the Southern poverty institute and very left-wing racists themselves.
on August 10th, 2009 at 9:56 am
How is it racist to try to prevent hate crimes?
on August 10th, 2009 at 6:22 pm
I For One m Convinced That Black Supremacy Groups and People and Mindset exist all over the United States. They are working in the government, in j c penny, they are in the schools and at the ice cream shops. I hear them often and it concerns me that these types are going unchecked. It is chilling what they are about and their mindset is all about. If it sounds so absured, something that is so unphathomable, something anit american. Then I fisr look to see if it connects to black liberation ideology and so far it has always left a trail to this mindset.. Destroy American Images anyway, anyhow, any means just continue to do it. Oh my and so much more…
on August 12th, 2009 at 5:18 pm
i enjoyed talking to mark today about hate groups in missouri. all hate groups aren’t any different than they were hundred years ago. still the raving lunatics of small minded people. i have a lot of respect for everyone at SPLC.
ty to your comment that we would have to build more prisons, so what. it would create jobs. with the job rate at fifteen million we need jobs. all of us can try to change people’s minds, but not everybody wants to change. we have to be strong,firm, and make no mistake hate groups are waiting for us to have a weak moment than that will be the begining of the end. all of us MUST change the world one person at a time. all of us have a long way to go but we have to stick together. now that i have seen a african-american as our president, now i want either a chinese,japanese,jewish, or latino, president now. when Dr. Martin Luther King was murdered i cried for days. i made a pack with God to let my prayers be answered, to have a african-american as our president. now i want these prayers before my eyes close. president obama is doing a great job, leave him alone and quit picking at everything he does. i don’t see anyone else going to D.C. to do it any different, or better. because it is a very hard job.
Saundra J. Schoen
on August 13th, 2009 at 1:23 pm
Saundra you are right there.
Imagine having to step in after George W Bush and then take the blame for trying to keep us from backsliding into the Third World. For crying out loud if you put a pomegranate in the Oval Office for eight years, our country would not have been in worse shape than it is after Bush’s reign of terror.
on August 15th, 2009 at 1:42 am
beholder stop cry-babing about the what-if’s. you are comparing apples and oranges. well my response to that is any body in the oval office has a hard enough job putting up with these offices. senate,congress,and the house of representatives. and that is a lot of hot air. and nothing but trouble. you stand corrected the only terror was on 9-11-01.
if everybody in this country would send in all thier ideas to help our president things would change. lets pull our thoughts and love for this country together. no one person can fix everything that is breaking not broken. no one will ever cause this country to be broken. lets have a day of remembering all the veterans, past and present. lets bring jobs back, lets fix everything that needs fixing. be united. stand with president obama no behind, not in front stand with him to let president obama know he has 95 percent of the people of this country. if we work hard enough we can try to change the other 5 percent.
saundra schoen
on August 25th, 2009 at 9:30 am
Saundra Schoen said,
on August 15th, 2009 at 1:42 am
you stand corrected the only terror was on 9-11-01.
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Unless you happened to live in Iraq, or were in the custody of CIA and the military. Bush set US diplomacy back a hundred years. What stupidity to stand up before the eyes of the world and say the US would never accept any challenge to its hegemony for all of time. I don’t think the world has seen such hubris since Augustus Caesar. The Bush Doctrine is an invitation to terror attacks on our soil. I repudiate his Adminstration with vehemence.
on August 25th, 2009 at 9:52 pm
To TY:
The big difference between the Nation of Islam and white supremacist groups is that I have yet to hear of any NOI members going out and trying to shoot up white folks at a church or burn crosses on their lawns, or just threaten to kill them on sight. Meanwhile, while supremacists have actually DONE most of these horrible things—look at the crazy old white guy who killed a guard in the Holocaust Museum recently—he’s been in the white supremacist movement for years, and apparently he believed that Jews were taking over his so-called precious Aryan culture, or some ignorant BS like that.
Bottm line, is NOI mambers are more likely to be taking care of business in their communities, helping young black men out of prison find their places in life, and doing more positive things that any of these crazy white power psycho freaks have ever done in their screwed-up good-for-nothing lives!
on September 5th, 2009 at 8:15 am
Oh Gawd the What about the White Menz brigade is up in arms. I do not consider the Black Panthers and Nation of Islam to be in the same boat as White Supremist groups.
They do not have the insitutional power that us white peoples have enjoyed. The original Panthers were a target of the police and indeed were murdered by the popos. When is the last time you’ve heard of a white person being killed because of their race? Poc are a target for hate in this country, and yes, when I was in 29 Palms, California there were a LOT of white bigoted Marines there, mainly from the South. Read Tim Wise for a white males perpective on race.
on September 7th, 2009 at 11:21 am
Most organized white racism is obvious, and therefore generally easier to identify and suppress. Not always but usually a bunch of knuckle dragging troglodytes who are as much at each others throats as anything else they do.
Brown racism is somewhat more sophisticated and generally spun off as cultural pride. The educated version concentrates on education as a means to take over the education system and government at all levels while out populating other races with unchecked immigration and higher birth rate. It is obsessed with promoting brown, and is biased towards hiring only Latinos, this can all be found in their copyrighted literature by the very few curious enough about the subject to actually research it. There is a lot of cooperation between their multitudinous organizations.
The brown gang banger version of racism is generally most concerned with hostility towards black people, although it generally agrees with the notion that the southwest United States is a Chicano homeland and whites need not apply.
Somehow brown racist activities aren’t generally considered hate motivated. I believe that has to do with the primary American obsession with ferreting out white racism, or the odd subliminal notion that only whites are capable of racism.
My perception of the Black version of racism is that it generally consists of throwing out the race card at every opportunity and blaming black on black violence on white people.
It amazes me that equally egregious behavior of those of all races who make their living by fomenting racial enmity, there is greatly unequal judgment and unequal condemnation.
And the SPLC is not the least offender concerning those unbalanced judgments.
on September 9th, 2009 at 2:51 pm
AM,
What is your view on color blind racism? That is, the kind of racism where an individual, who may be white, but not necessarily, denies the existance of institutional racism and attempts to villify any effort to expose its existance as a mere card game rather than the meritorious pursuit of protecting fundamental civil liberties, vis-a-vis your comment about the “race card”.
Would you not say that those accusing others of playing the “race card” are indeed insisting upon their right to carry a kind of “white pass” and collect continued dividends from historical racism, or indeed that of the present day?
on September 10th, 2009 at 12:16 am
Beholder
I’m sick of the whole thing myself. All the race baiting and racism from every angle, from every race, from every nationality, racism alleged where there is no apparent racism, overt racism, and politically correct racism.
It’s all a crock of c***.
I knew a woman who was brought to the US as a child and grew up in a heavily Mexicanized area in California. Most white people would consider her to be Mexican, as she speaks English with what most English speakers would consider a heavy Mexican accent. On the other hand she speaks Spanish which would have an American accent to a Mexican and if she were to go to Mexico she has a good chance to be vilified for being Americanized, a pocha, not a “real” Mexican.
However, she graduated high school and studied at a University of California campus. Of course, she attended some of those “ethnic studies classes” where the racial notion of exploitation was stuffed into her head.
One day I was having a conversation with her about illegal immigration (I believe she is not legal, liking her, I don’t want to know) and what I have seen concerning illegal entrants beating down wages over the last thirty years. She became indignant, to her the reason for low wages in industries illegal Mexicans now dominate is because of “institutionalized racism”. I related to her what I had seen that very afternoon, a strawberry field being picketed by out of work Mexican national UFW members while that very field was filled full of bent over Mexican nationals picking strawberries.
She just couldn’t grasp the irony of it all.
For all the woman’s education, she waits tables in the poorest per capita income city in her county. I have no idea if she’s just doing it to make a little extra money for the family and is happy with what she does, or if she just doesn’t fit into the other world. From what I know of her it could go either way.
On the other hand, there were recently four self described “Latina” mid level educators at a local university. There was a big stink going on concerning their very vocal beliefs that they hadn’t been promoted as was their perceived due and that they were being discriminated against. Furthermore, according to them, they needed to be promoted in order to reflect the racial mix of the student body in the administration.
I don’t know any of the parties involved, but I do know there is a lot of politically correct pressure to advance minorities in the educational system.
I have no idea if the women were qualified for the positions, they claimed they were. However, reading between the lines, it is my opinion that those women hired on and stayed on their good behavior until they had enough tenure to become demanding, pushy, complaining, trouble making pains in the ass, no fear of being run off. They sounded as though they have a racial agenda and believed that they were racially entitled to the promotions.
It is my belief that for whatever reason they were held back, it was not due to institutionalized racism.
on September 10th, 2009 at 12:06 pm
AM,
Not trying to be nasty or anything but I don’t see what your reply has to do with race.
The issues about being a Mexican immigrant relate to national origin, whereas the issues related to being Latino(a) relate to ethnicity. In neither case is race involved.
Officially by US standards at least (Customs and Immigration code) Latinos are considered White for demographic purposes. Of course I know a lot of Latinos who spent their whole lives considering themselves white and they found that in the US they were considered Afro descended. So a lot has to to with perception.
Remember we see with our mind, not with our eyes. What you and she perceive may be very different because you have a different world view and both will insist you are right.
For that reason, I like to look at racial and ethnic markers in areas that can be put in the realm of empirical fact: income, education, criminality (both indexes of who commits crime and how “justice” is dealt out depending on what race or ethnicity the offender is), who has access to health care, basic childhood nutrition, etc.
In these areas it is obvious that equality in America has not been achieved, or at very least, opportunities and social circumstances can be improved.
It is very easy for the beneficiaries of historical privilege to demand an “up by the bootstraps” (Booker T Washington) approach to social development. However, when you look at the history of power, authority and privilege in America, the transfer of wealth through generations, and the effects of segregation, you will see that white males have been the principal beneficiaries of opportunity.
Denying this, since you did not personally own slaves, is simply failing to recognize that on the wide scale our generation inherited certain demographic realities from the failures of the previous generation. But racism still exists.
Look at the rise of right wing extremism, predominately white middle class nativism, and the fact that up until the present Administration the highest level of achievement a black man in America could aspire to is to be an entertainer.
Look how people who claim they are not racist insist on stereotypes. Many who give lip service to civil rights are the first to bust out a racial epithet when someone cuts them off in traffic. How thin the veil of civility is in America.
The truth comes out when the teeth start to show — through the anger and the lies of a generation that denies its racist legacies and refuses to make good on its promise of equal opportunity for all, not just the white man.
on September 10th, 2009 at 3:01 pm
Beholder,
I don’t take any offense.
The reply had everything to do with race.
Go tell someone from the Mexica movement that the government considers them white. Leave the motor running and keep the transmission in gear while you do it.
Or have a look at the The Plan of Aztlan (note that The Mexica movement repudiates Chicanismo). Any further doubts, read “Cholo Style” by Reynaldo Berrios.
Here is the short version of an odd one I got a month or so ago from a middle school teacher who would describe herself as a Chicana:
White is a race, Black and Hispanic are cultures.
However, it seems you want to discuss white and black race relations, you want me to give a specific answer, and any answer but that very answer will be graded as wrong.
The closest I can get to that answer is one time I was having a moment of self doubt, and I asked my long term girl friend / housemate (A Mexican American woman who grew up in pre 1960 America) If I (a white guy) were prejudiced or racist or whatever.
Her answer was that I’m not a racist but that I am prejudiced. She added that she herself is prejudiced, that everyone is prejudiced about one thing or another.
That’s an honest answer. It’s part of the human condition, and its what we do with it that counts.
Black entertainer Bill Cosby said something to the effect that it’s time for the black man to quit whining about the white man and get an education.
Black columnist Larry Meek said something to the effect that the problem with the Black “community” is that an awful lot of black children need a father in the family.
My perspective is that the last person to have been a black slave in America died in 1948 at the age of 105.
Rosa Parks did an incredibly brave thing, Martin Luther King looked for the day when his children lived in a world where people were judged on the content of their character rather than the color of their skin. .
Then some practicing the Hippie life style introduced drugs in the neighborhoods they could best afford, which were black; Lyndon Johnson introduced his well meaning Great society program, which provided easy money while discouraging fathers from staying with their families; and ethnic nationalism in the form of Chicanismo hijacked the civil rights movement.
So, forty to fifty years later and three generations of black children being raised by their grandmothers, I might have some welfare queen black woman with a gang banging, drug dealing black boyfriend who’s not the father of her children tell me that I am a racist who owes her because of black slavery in America. And the statement will be thrown into the rant somewhere that her great grandmother breast fed my great great father.
In spite of my understanding of how it all came about, I have a hard time getting it.
on September 11th, 2009 at 3:12 pm
AM
This is not at all an attempt to debase your views, which are well thought out and address many different layers of the issue.
I do think though that your friend’s observation on prejudice is correct and to say that any individual does not have prejudice because of their race or ethnicity, while others do, also because of their race and ethnicity, would be absurd and demeaning to the whole process of attempting to correct the effects of racism and bigotry.
The issue is not so much, in my mind at least, how to erase people’s perceptions of the other and supplant these ideas with some artificial construct — that is not what the civil rights movement is about nor is it what affirmative action seeks to do.
We need to distinguish, with a critical mind, the difference between how these assumptions and worldviews have harmed specific ethnicities or robbed them of their opportunity.
Nor is this to take away the very critical issue of personal motivation and achievement, and by the same token, one’s responsibility to self actualize. I don’t think anybody is asking for hand outs or special favors at an individual level.
I think what the issue is primarily, is to identify what opportunities have been denied due to racial or ethnic prejudice and bigotry, and put this in the context of the widest possible group of people. We may not be able to clearly identify why one individual will achieve more in life than another who apparently have the same opportunity or lack of it. But we can see that when you look at a group that seems to fare worse than another group, and you can see that certain characteristics remain present through generations, it becomes evident that the problem is continuing.
At that point, I say let’s do something about it.
You mention Bill Cosby and I have no great love for the man, but he did accomplish good things for himself. His show was essential for helping to modernize thinking of the wider public about black families being perfectly normal, but the unfortunate thing is that Cosby’s TV personality has nothing to do with the real issues of race in America. We did not see Theo pushed into a sports career because that is where the opportunity is. We did not see issues of single parenthood, sexual orientation, substance abuse, or hate crimes. We did not see marital violence, and we did not see any evidence of how these TV people felt when one day at school the topic of slavery came up. And the white people looking around at the black people, and the black people looking around at white people.
If you have never been called a nigger or any other racial epithet (moderators please forgive me), how could you possibly know what racism feels like? To see a stereotypical vision of human beauty that excludes you, and to see your own peers kill themselves over Nike shoes because some athlete managed to get above the gang life because the white man pays well for entertainment.
These are very powerful moments in anyone’s life.
So when doors don;t seem to open, or when you can’t get a job because maybe you don’t have the same skills because your parents didn’t have them and their parents didn’t have them because their parents were slaves, it is hard to say that racism does not still exist in America.
I do believe there are excesses, but I also believe that we cannot as a people, and I mean America, suddenly proclaim that racism is dead simply because we have a black man in the bubble now. It is a starting point for massive social change. Black youths see themselves differently, they can reject their own stereotypes as well as society’s. But that does not mean there will be the same opportunity, or that generations of injustice have been erased and suddenly all the black families are as prosperous as the Huckstables simply because it is not possible to be so.
I think you would feel very differently about race in America if you represented a group that had been hauled in chains, called an ape and an animal, or had jokes made about your skin color. Even if you have heard epithets hurled at you, the weight of history is not behind them and you can laugh them off. And a lot can be laughed off.
But look at those statistics I mentioned earlier and tell me if it can all be about not wanting to get an education, like Cosby said. An education is needed, yes, but so is a lot more.
on September 11th, 2009 at 7:16 pm
Beholder,
Please re-post those statistics.
I believe that the industries which used to support black communities have been generally sent overseas or have been taken over by new comers.
I have heard that most gangs are formed of kids who have single mothers. There needs to be a father figure, regardless of the racial composition of the family.
When a kid has a choice to do without or make a thousand or so a day selling drugs and have all the flash, I have no doubt what choice will be made.
Movies glorify criminality and violence. Many educators are clueless, living in a parallel universe known as “teacher land”. Sometimes one has to do what he has to do to survive in a jungle.
Making bad choices leads to jail. Jail enforces racial enmity and is an apprenticeship for further criminality. Regardless of race, society has little forgiveness for a criminal record. The vicious cycle has ensued, and I understand the major cause of death for young black males is being murdered by another young black male.
I’ve never been called a “Nigger”, but I have been called a “Pinche guero”, which means “F****ng white guy”.
Forgive me, I’m much more familiar with the brown minority in all its variations than the black minority.
When I say Mexican, I speak of nationality, not race. And all the other words are general at best.
I’ve busted Mexicans kissing my posterior and being all so helpful because they have something to exploit from me, while talking disrespectful crap about me right in front of me, not knowing I understand what they’re saying among themselves in Spanish.
I’ve also been on a job where almost everyone was an illegal from Mexico, they thought I was there in my own country to take one of “their” jobs. They were planning to set me up so I’d look like crap to the boss, but it was an aborted effort. I have a skill and qualifications few Mexicans have, and if I weren’t there they wouldn’t have been be working.
When I first encountered Mexicans on the job over thirty years ago, they worked at getting along, learning English and all the rest. Now that they’ve crowded almost everyone else out of the trades, they tend to be a-holes.
And that saying that they do work that Americans (of all races) won’t in only half true: the American isn’t going to be hired if the Mexicans have anything to say about.
And the Mexican American, stuck in the middle, tends not to have much better luck. If he is working and overhears them talking about someone’s brother or cousin coming over the border last night, he knows he is going to be handed his layoff checks the next morning.
But somehow all the above isn’t prejudice and racism, and the media and politicians carry on all that “they’re just here to feed their families”.
The ignorance that regular white people have concerning brown people is worked by both brown and white racists, building on the myth that fifth generation American Garcia is exactly the same person as Mexican citizen Garcia from Jalisco who crossed the border for the first time this morning.
I believe that unless someone’s family are arrivals within the last thirty years, the main support for illegal immigrants by Mexican American will be due to a worked up perception of white racism.
In 2006, the internet chatter on both sides of the immigration debate had about the same content, lots of racial slurs, lots of talk which would be considered racist and threatening.
Now that the economy is bad with nearly 15% unemployment in southern California efforts to legitimize illegal immigrants might not be in a politician’s future electoral interest, and the chatter on both sides seems to be relatively benign.
However, for equal content, the predominantly white message boards are condemned as racist, the brown boards are not.
And we get back to the premise of “driving gavachos and niggers out of ‘our’ barrios”
This is my general subjective observation concerning groups propelling demographic change, individuals vary and I’m not passing universal judgment on individuals:
When Mexicans move into a neighborhood, regardless if it’s a “good” neighborhood or not, as a group they will trash a neighborhood if it is in good condition. I’ve never known of the demographic change ever improving a neighborhood.
If it is a predominantly white neighborhood to begin with, the whites eventually move out.
If it’s predominantly a Black neighborhood, the percentage of American born descendants of Mexicans who join Hispanic gangs tend towards attempts to drive blacks out by violence and arson. Somehow these aren’t listed as hate crimes and it slips under the “hate watch” radar.
I will add that most of the Mexican Americans I have known over my lifetime are neither criminals nor racists. I have met few Hispanic people with the racial enmity and racial purpose which is endemic in Latino professors and other Latino advocates.
On the other hand, things have changed in both countries and it is my personal subjective belief that previous generations of migrants from Mexico as a group were a better class of people than those as a group who come here now.
As a personal feeling, it’s hard to be in the middle. A lot of times when I express a belief which I see as the truth, it is often interpreted on the one side as pro illegal immigrant commentary and as a racist view on the other. I get bashed both ways.
Your turn.
on September 11th, 2009 at 9:00 pm
Beholder,
I find myself constantly nodding my head when I read your comments, and this last one is no exception. I don’t think white people (like me) truly understand what it is to be white because we don’t know what it is (generally) to be marginalized. In other words, to appreciate the freedom and lack of fear we’re given as white people we’d have to know the opposite, but we don’t. So, I find it disingenuous for any white person to say that racism is dead or that others are pulling the race card when we don’t even know what those things mean.
However, I do think we can understand discrimination in other ways. I’ve been… hmmmm…. blessed? to be both able bodied and disabled in my life and, as a disabled person, am discriminated against daily. People are always surprised when I tell them that people laugh at me, call me names, purposely try to trip me, etc, but they do. So, I wonder if our human frailty will, at long last, be the thing that rids us of our made up prejudices.
on September 12th, 2009 at 12:09 pm
Liesel,
I don’t really think that there is a total freedom and lack of fear, there is the fear of being unfavorably judged and ostracized as a result of “appearing” to be racist. That takes away the freedom to act as one would otherwise.
That is the racism of political correctness. The thought built up since the 60′s that only whites are capable of racism. I have heard of classes in college where the instructor picks out white kids and works on to making them feel ashamed of being white, harping on real, exaggerated, or even fabricated events hundreds of years in the past.
And it seems silly to even think of a white person suing over racial harassment, somehow it has the stigma of a guy filing a police report after being beaten up by a woman.
But reverse the roles, and the ACLU will be right on it.
The racism of political correctness leads to overlooking faults in one person and fixating on the perceived faults in another.
As a matter of fact, it just struck me that politically correct racism is probably the origin of Beholder’s premise concerning “color blind racism”.
No one wants to be accused of racism. So, the allegation of racism where no actual racism is involved is a tool, a means to accomplishing an end, a method of winning a battle. And there is no such thing as a fair fight.
The race card in action.
Whenever someone is given or denied anything due to racial affiliation, it is racism either way. It doesn’t matter if the benefactor is the same race or not as the beneficiary, it is racism. Racial favor through political correctness is racism, just as racial rejection through antagonistic suppression is racism.
I go back to Beholder’s statement concerning opportunity. Perhaps some of that has to do with attitude.
I remember the time some years ago a black kid about 14 years old who stepped in the crosswalk, hat turned sideways. I stopped to let him pass. He took his sweet, long time, all the while mad dog staring at me and his body language daring me to run him over.
I never saw him before, I’ve never done anything to him. Why did he disrespect me like that? The little twerp was calling me out. And before he was out of my way, I really did want to run the little b*****d over. However, I believe that if I had actually done so, it would have been determined that I had committed a race based hate crime, instead of the kid getting what he was daring me to do.
Was the kid acting out from racial hatred? Oh, only white people are capable of negative race based activity.
Would the kid have done it to a black person? If he did, would the black person have got out and whipped his a**? Would the kid have pulled out a gun and shot the person for teaching him a lesson he needed? Can’t spin any of it as a hate crime there.
At the least, that kid wasn’t prospect for future employment. I believe he’s probably long dead from a violent cause.
on September 12th, 2009 at 4:35 pm
You end your comment with a racist assumption about a kid you don’t know and you expect… what? The only times I’ve ever seen people complain about political correctness is when they have said something that offends others. They play the PC card in attempt to deflect blame from themselves.
If those stories are true about students in classes being singled out, they had every responsibility to go to the administration to complain. There are many, many avenues for complaint and satisfaction. Did they? I doubt it.
on September 13th, 2009 at 11:04 am
Liesl,
Respectfully,
Your allegation laced assumption concerning my statement is one of the ways the race card is played to negate a person’s dialog by resort to political correctness.
The next move in the race card dance is that I justify myself by saying something like “That would have been my belief regardless of the kid’s race”.
Subsequently, a repeat suggestion of racism is tossed out, and I either let you take complete charge of the discussion by defensively babbling my innocence or resort to political correctness by backing away.
In the meantime, the whole point of my discourse is overwhelmed and lost by use of the race card, which was played on one small statement.
Sort of a catch 22 diversion from the topic if one dances to the tune. However, it takes two to perform that dance, and I’m just not available.
The “racist” allegation drum has been beaten so long and so hard it’s losing the effect, and it doesn’t work on me anymore.
The race card often uses slander and defamation, such as the outrageous Nativo Lopez vs Overhill Farms stunt. Lopez put his proverbial mammary gland into the mangle on that one.
Lopez’ case is unusual due only to the fact that someone actually stood up against the race card. Google that one up, key words “Nativo Lopez” and “Defamation”.
I have no personal experience concerning those classes. All this stuff has come about since I left school. I have heard of the practice from one educator and three people who informed me through correspondence that they have had the experience in Washington and California, one in high school.
Most of the people I have personally spoken with either describe a benign experience or a foaming at the mouth instructor who rants non stop about the evil of the white man.
I have not heard of anyone taking recourse as you suggest, I’ll put that on my list of inquiry. My assumption is that if the complaint is submitted at the educational facility there would be no productive follow up with possible retribution directed towards the complainant. That would leave the courts as the venue of expediency.
Thank you for bringing out that point.
on September 15th, 2009 at 4:50 pm
Thank you for bringing out the white pass. But I think we’ve already seen it.
on September 15th, 2009 at 10:51 pm
Beholder,
I don’t know you, and perhaps if we in the flesh, we never would have had this discussion. However, I’m glad we did.
I read in the paper today that the California legislature last July formulated an apology to the Chinese for the Chinese exclusion act of 1882.
Ok, people whose ancestors might not have been in the US before 1900, or in California before 1910 or even the 1930′s are apologizing to people who are long dead. Maybe the apology even extended to Chinese people in mainland China.
An apology doesn’t really matter to dead people. Particularly one from living people who are six to eight generations later.
It doesn’t affect the living either way in any real manner, regardless if one is a San Francisco descendant of 19th century coolies or a child of 1980′s Chinese immigrants.
Fairly recently the US Congress, one and a half centuries descended from a government which fought a bloody civil war to abolish slavery, likewise apologized for slavery in America. Did that put any money in your pocket? Did that vapid bit of political correctness sooth that chip on your shoulder?
No to either one.
So, what do you want? Every white person in America to personally plant their lips on your posterior? How about a dollar from every one of those people in America who are deemed certified subliminal racists for the exclusive reason that they have light colored skin and yours is dark?
Once again, I’m not available.
I’m not responsible for your angst, and it’s not my problem.
on September 24th, 2009 at 12:17 pm
SPLC: Has congress investigated this report? Have you all received any feed back from the?
on September 24th, 2009 at 1:50 pm
AM said
So, what do you want? Every white person in America to personally plant their lips on your posterior? How about a dollar from every one of those people in America who are deemed certified subliminal racists for the exclusive reason that they have light colored skin and yours is dark?
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For starters we could have a scholarship fund for descendents of slaves.
We could also see serious affirmative action legislation to end workforce and other forms of discrimination.
Apologies are only the start.
on October 6th, 2009 at 12:26 pm
Ty, you need to learn how to spell – the word is “ludicrous.” So is your comment. And AM, you are absolutely correct that hispanic/latino is a “culture,” not a race. There are only 3 races. And Ms. Pitbull, your comment is RIGHT ON!!!! And – the mindset of the Marine Corps is perfect for white supremacists to infiltrate – and those bastards (white supremacists) are getting training paid for by ALL of us. The military needs to open its eyes and carefully check out those wanting to join up.
on October 10th, 2009 at 7:04 pm
I think congress and the DOD,and MP’s should investigate
more cases of Extremisim in the Military.Thats terrible.
I’d not be suprised that rasist groups in the neo-militia-movement are invovoled.The military should have more power to assist
Law-enforcement.And controll therse militias, so Racisim dosent desroy our great Military.