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A 72-year-old Azle, Texas, resident said she posted a “Hispanics Keep Out” sign over her front door because she’s “upset about them coming over here illegally.”
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Ahh, now I see. Your powers of clairvoyency must have misled you, since you haven’t asked me how I feel about racism or my race.
You entered into the middle of a correspondence that had taken a turn from the original subject, but I will return to the original. I wonder where in my writing you found a defense of the subject matter of the homeowner’s sign? I said the woman is as free to be “as racist as she wants” in her own home. That is all. She hung a sign on her home. I couldn’t care less what it says. It’s her house, her sign, and thats all. I didn’t say I approve of it, but that’s irrelevent. Hatred of a race only has power if action is taken. We hate murder, rape, and robbery, so we take action against it. If she were out on a street corner leading an angry mob, then that would be our business.
Tom said that he wouldn’t wait for God to come along for change to happen in people’s hearts and minds. Do people think legislation will change people’s hearts and minds? Do you think making this woman remove her sign will change her heart and mind? Do you think suppression will eradicate hateful speech? Or would it just help you sleep better at night?
So you are clear, I support her right to place the sign on her home, but I disagree with her statement. She has let her ignorance cloud the distinction between legal and illegal hispanic immigrants. I don’t know if that was her intention, so I can’t call her racist, but that is the outcome of her actions.
It’s amusing how you are trying to change this into “a conversation about labels”.
It would be one thing if you were actually defending that homeowner’s right to free speech.
But you are not – you are actually defending the MESSAGE of that homeowner’s “Hispanics Keep Out” sign . . . and that makes you a RACIST.
I don’t follow your meaning. I’m not sure how I fit into your labels. My Christian and conservative views are directly from biblical and historical facts, supported by a strong understanding of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence. I wonder if you have read and understood those items. I see those terms “Christian Right” and “NeoCon’s” often, usually from a non-Christian, and apparantly I am ignorant of their meanings and origins.
Your claim of my “failure” is unsupported by any disputes of my statements, and I can certainly give you references to research on your own.
All said, I am confused about what and who you think I am or am defending.
Tom – I am sorry to hear you are not well. I hope you recover 110%!
Jody – your attempts to dissemble and cover up the utter disgust that the Christian Right and NeoCon’s feel for people who do not look or live like them is a total FAILURE.
I also feel that it should be said that most Christians do not align with the “conservatives” in Washington. Most support they get from Christians arises from the feelings of apathy and hopelessness Christians have from not being represented at all. The whole “lesser of two evils” doctrine, which I refuse to buy into. Most liberals and non-Christians unfairly align Christians to the Republican party, Neo-Conservatives, and others.
I am truly sorry for your recent health setbacks, and will be praying for your speedy recovery.
Your views on the War of Southern Independence are probably fairly accurate. Surely, no one would think that hundreds of thousands of men sacrificed their lives for an institution that 90% of them had no hand in.
It is a common misconception (thanks to years of public school indoctrination) that the Emancipation Proclamation freed the slaves. If you study the proclamation you will find that it was meant to declare freedom in the Southern states, which we know had already seceded, making them immune from U.S. federal acts as such. Further, the proclamation conveniently did not apply to any State or territory that was still allied with the U.S. In short, it was an empty document used to spin the cause of the war to quell growing European support for the Confederacy.
Most Christians feel that Israelites are the chosen people of God, and deserve their support, and many hold emotional and passionate feelings to the land and Sacred places where Jesus was born, preached, and died (even if those exact locations are debatable, it doesn’t change the reasoning).
We use the terms legal and illegal to refer to the status and actions of individuals. It is no reference to an individuals heart, race, or personality to refer to them as such. An illegal immigrant could still be documented. “Documented” is a term that has been applied to draw the focus away from the fact that an offender is an illegal immigrant.
Again, I wish you a speedy recovery.
Sorry I haven’t been responding, but I had another “mini-stroke” and was hospitalized, just got out yesterday. I have read with interest you and Jay’s on going discussion. I have a couple of comments, if I may provided my brain works and my fingers are “working”.
It seems to me that the Civil War was indeed over the concept of Federal Power Vs. States rights. The Southern states at the time of their leaving the Union to form their own government was the whole issue of States rights and the “right” of those states to control their own tariff’s, local government and the continued use of Slavery. I have read Jody, that many in the South wanted the Slave issue resolved as it was the Cotton and Rice owners who wanted to continue with Slavery as a means to keep their economic power going, but many who did not own immense tracts of land considered Slavery to be an issue mainly for the Wealthy. Seems, the same argument under different causes continues to this day. It is the wealthy who do not want the economic situation to change, because if it did then their margin of profit would suffer.
Another point to ponder Jody is your statement that Lincoln never freed a single slave. What then was his “Emaneption Proclaimation”,(sorry I know its misspelled, but my brain cannot figure out how to spell it), I believe it granted Freedom to the Slaves…many in occupied areas of the South by Union troops, such as Beauford, South Carolina, took advantage of the Proclaimation.
Another Point Jody for you to consider is that the reason why the Conservative Christians back the State of Israel is not because they like Jews, rather, they are aligned with Israel to continue their theological thought that by being with the Jews, they are hoping to see “the End Times”, to have the Temple in Jerusalem rebuilt and thus, they hope to usher in the return of Jesus as the Messiah and the battle of Armageddon comes into Biblical fact.
Another small point Jody is your usage of the word “illegal” in regards to people who have come into this country without the proper permission. I would use the term undocumented as there is no such thing as an “illegal” person. Thanks and I look forward to your reply.
I fear it is you that is wrong.
#1 Self-government is the basic principle of Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness, in which individuals are responsible for themselves, clearly not the modus operandi of 1930’s Germany.
#2 True Chrisian Conservatives are not demonizing Latino’s by support of closing our bleeding borders to ILLEGAL immigrants. As a point of fact, Christians are the biggest supporters of the Jewish people….for obvious reasons….if you haven’t noticed.
#3 The Right of Secession and Self-government was the cause of the Confederacy in the War of Southern Independence (a “civil war” would be two factions fighting for control of the central power, the South didn’t want control, just independence). The North didn’t have a problem with slavery while it was profitable to them. Slavery would have died a natural death without the racial tensions and loss of lives. You probably also believe that Abe Lincoln freed the slaves (which he didn’t, not a single one).
You are wrong on ALL points:
#1 Germany was founded on principles of self-government – they didn’t base their government on being a client state of anyone.
#2 Right Wing NeoCon Christian Conservatives are demonizing Latino’s in the exact same way that Hitler and the Nazi’s demonized Jews in Germany during the `1930’s.
#3 Noble cause of the Confederacy (during the American Civil War)??? What noble cause is that? The preservation of slavery as an institution???
#1 You ain’t my “pal”.
#2 You Right Wing NeoCon Christian Conservatives are demonizing Latino’s in the exact same way that Hitler and the Nazi’s demonized Jews in Germany during the `1930’s.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
The SPLC has removed two comments of mine that contained no vulgarity or false statements. I guess I will leave this story and wait for another. Tom, perhaps we will continue our discussion another time.
I almost forgot, Germany of the 1930’s wasn’t founded on the principle of self-government, we are.
I’m sorry, my disdain for the current administration must have left you with the impression that I supported the last administration. To clarify, I don’t like the Republicans any more than I like the Democrats. To quote a great man, “There’s not a dimes worth of difference between them”.
Also, I must be missing your point about the Nazi’s. I don’t see the parallel between their fascist, evil deeds and the noble cause of the Confederacy. I also don’t see how you draw your statements from the historical facts I presented.
Jay, sorry pal, you have that wrong, it’s the Democratic “Socialist” Party of America that parallels the Hitler regime. Just look back at what has happened in this country since 1/20/09. Obama’s administration is quickly shredding our Constitution with the aid of simple minded of his party.
I suppose that if you were transplanted back into 1930’s Germany, you would also support peoples’ right to post signs on their property that read “Juden Verboten” . . .
I know for a fact that you and your Right Wing cohorts hate arguments that use Hitler and the Nazi’s as analogues for the simple fact that what the National Socialists did back then draws close parallels to what the NeoCon’s are doing now.
Obama does not have to follow Bush to be a usurper. A violation of the Constitution is a violation no matter what the intentions. To paraphrase the author C.S. Lewis, a tyrant that rules for your own good may be worse than a tyrant that rules for power and wealth, for he does so in good conscience.
The Cofederate history of the South only has “ghosts of that enslavement” because the federal government has spent the last 140 years indoctrinating school children to believe that. Is slavery a black mark on American history? Sure it is. But if you really think that all slaveowners set about for the “dehumanization” of another race you are underread in your history.
Are you aware that George Washington freed his personal valet, only for him to return and ASK to be reenslaved, never to leave Washington’s side, even at death? Are you aware that upon his return from an extended stay in France, Thomas Jefferson’s slaves met his carraige hundreds of yards from his house, took him out, and carried him on their shoulders to the house, weeping for joy at his return? Are you aware that many slaveholders worked side by side with their slaves in the fields? Do we honor the free blacks who fought for the Confederacy to defend their homeland? The list goes on and on for the examples of racial harmony in the South prior to the Union invasion and subsequent rape and pillaging of the land and people, black and white. Slavery has been dead for over 100 years, and you can’t play “catch-up” on past sins.
Another history lesson, the Alabama state flag features St. Andrew’s Cross and has never carried the stars and bars. Confederate history is still celebrated in Alabama despite efforts of racist organisations to remove it. I fly the Stars and Bars and an array of other Confederate flags to honor the brave men, Black, White, Hispanic, American Indian, and others, who fought for their independence from a tyrant nation.
I will agree with you that there are those who do not give a fig about the Constitution and have set themselves above that Document to further their own agendas. The past 8 years of the Bush/Cheney regime come immediately to mind regards the ursupation of power to spite the Constitution and the people of the United States. I do not see President Obama in the same light as you, I may disagree with a few of his recent choices and decisions, but I do not believe he follows the same tact as George W. Bush.
I have not stated that “all slavery denotes racism”, but slavery does denote one universal trend…the denial of a person’s right to be a person. Under slavery, it is the slave masters intent to dehumanize and denigrate, refusing to recognize a person as a person. Reducing a person to an object, a THING. People who become slaves Jody, do not have a choice, they are forced into a situation that is against their rights. You make it sound Jody by the context of your words that people who become slaves have a choice. Jody, I would believe that the majority of Afro/Americans would strongly disagree with you, they see how slavery and racist views go hand in hand, both in the past and to a degree within our own society today. The slave holding South of 1860, still has ghosts of that enslavement to this day. That is not to say that the North does not have racist undertones as well, it certainly does, but my years of living in the South, have shown me the narrowmindness of some of its White inhabitants, and the Whites inability to confront the ghosts of its slave holding Confederate era past.
Your references to God, remind me of the Southern Ministers, who back in the days of Jim Crow, could not come to terms with the equality of the races, who went out of their way to reinforce the denigration of the Black race, they touted God as being on their side and their side alone, spouting hatred always with a honeysuckle sweetness that tried to wrap a God of Love into their twisted racist hatred and fear.
By the way Jody, has the state flag of Alabama removed, its stars and bars Battle symbols yet from it?
My problem with the government is it’s complete lack of regard for the Constitution and it’s continuing abuses of authority. The only thing Barack Obama has to do with it is that he is another in a long line of usurpers. I’m sure it will come as no surprise to you that I am from the South, proudly from Alabama.
Your reference to slavery still puzzles me. I am not asserting that there was never any connections to slavery and racism, but are you asserting that all slavery denotes racism? There are many reasons why people have been slaves. Some were power or control, some were convenience, some were necessity, some were even ordained by God. But I would disagree that anyone today could honestly hold racist views due to slavery.
It it is apparent that you have difficulty with our government at the current time, why is that? Could if have anything to do with President Obama? Given your idea that we are on the way to enslavement. What part of the country are you from? If you cannot see the connection between racism and slavery in the past of our Country, I really don’t know what to say to you, except look into your heart and see if perhaps there might not be a little prejudice in your heart.
God won’t make anyone do anything, we always make our own choices. I’m not saying that anyone has to accept racism in their own life, but if someone wants to live a certain way in their own home it is their God given right to do so. Society can judge people’s actions if they do so righteously, but God will judge a person’s heart.
By the way, what does slavery have to do with this or with racism. There isn’t a single race of people on the planet who haven’t been enslaved. If you look closely, we are all on the way to enslavement by our current government.
So Jody, until God, comes along and “makes” everyone love one another it should be allowed that racist comments, actions, should be ignored because there isn’t anything illegal about it? I’m sorry I beg to differ….Slavery was legal at one time in this country, but many felt that this was unjust and just plain wrong and took actions to thwart and stop this enslavement of people.
People need to stand up against this out and out racism, because if we don’t then others will not see the evil in such racist acts.
I won’t wait for God to come along to sprinkle love dust for change to happen in people’s hearts and minds.
Does it matter if the woman is a racist or not? It’s her home. As long as she does not engage in criminal activity, she should be free to be as racist as she wants. People in this country should stop worrying about making everybody love one another no matter what. It’s never going to happen, only God can do that, and as soon as everyone has God then they will love one another.
Exposed Heads has exposed his ignorance…and his racism.
Most Hispanics in the US are here legally. They’re US citizens. And they outnumber the illegal aliens.
Some Latino families have been US citizens for seven generations going back over 150 years.
Saying all Hispanics are illegals and criminals is RACIST.
Dear Exposed Heads,
Are you sure your name isn’t Glenn Beck???
This woman in Texas must be a raving lunatic, she might as well put a sign around her neck to proclaim to the world that she is ignorant, and the man called Steve who made such a rousing statement about “her right to protect her property”, must be another redneck who’s chief weapon in the world is using the FEAR card. Fear of anyone who isn’t white, Republican and Protestant.
God love you Steve, because no one else does!
OH flippin’ word! Putting up a sign on one’s door is protecting their property. Please Steve, are you that stupid? Do you put up a sign that reads, “All scary people who want to hurt me or take my things stay away!”
What a dope.
Obviously this idiot hasn’t received sufficient satisfaction in insulting and discriminating against every brown skinned person they can, they have to have a sign do it for them while they are otherwise occupied as well. Sort of like they made their house speak for them when they can’t. God. Sure, exercise your right to show the world how much of an absolute ass you are! Yahoo!
It shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone who reads history that Texas is a hotbed of racism and ignorance; southern slavers ran there with their slaves before, during and shortly after the civil war to escape the impending emancipation — as Texas was a territory which allowed slavery.
Our last president fits there more than he knows.
As I said, this is definitely racism. And – RURAL Texas is RIFE with racism….it seems to be in the blood of those BUBBAS to feel that way about latinos, blacks, anyone who isn’t just like them. Typical of “north-central” Texas – as I recall, Azle is not too far from Fort Worth. What I could not figure out was that they all called themselves “Christians.” They should have added the word “extremist” in front of the word “Christians.” They certainly were self-righteous-acting and narrow-minded. I could hardly WAIT to get out of Texas and back out west among people who could still think for themselves and not be ruled hy what some preacher said or what the “bible” supposedly had to say. Racism and Christianity should not go together.
To Exposed Heads:
The sign reads “Hispanics Keep Out” not “Illegal Aliens Keep Out” or are we to assume that all Hispanics are here illegally? That would be news to my many Hispanic friends who were born in this country or who immigrated here legally. The sign is racist, as is the person who put it up.
Josepj Pena, you never know. They are trying to take over the United States. Our “House”. So it wouldn’t surprise me a bit if our houses aren’t next. Yeah you’ll say I’m a racist. Yada, yada, yada. I’ll point my finger first, YOU are the racist.
This is not surprising to me. I lived in Texas for 3 years back in the mid 1980s – and even THEN, it was evident that “texans” (I use a small letter on purpose) did not treat their latino citizens very well and were definitely racist – legal OR illegal. Not only that, I worked in the transportation business and dealt with companies hauling steel and oilfield pipe – and CROOKS were the norm in that situation. Crooks and racists seem to be two synonymous in texas.
Did this moron think they were going to take over her house? I guess the good news is this racist at 72 doesn’t have many more years to engage in this kind of offensive nonsense.
Good for them!!! They used their right to free speech!
This is not hate – just a citizen’s right to protect her property against criminals.
Oh – SPLC doesn’t consider people coming into the USA illegally as criminals, right? The SPLC rather twist everything around and call the real victims the criminals.
Just another “Progressive” Democrat hate machine.