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	<title>Comments on: When It Comes to Peddling Hate Music, iTunes Appears to Be Selective</title>
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		<title>By: simplewelcomepaydayloans</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2012 12:29:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2012 18:01:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Freedom</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2009/08/24/when-it-comes-to-peddling-hate-music-itunes-appears-to-be-selective/comment-page-1/#comment-191971</link>
		<dc:creator>Freedom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 17:40:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ Jim
So I take it you pay no taxes, posses no driver&#039;s license, pay no utility bills, don&#039;t use US currency? Funny how you hold yourself up on a pedestal, but you&#039;re just like everybody else, except probably less.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Jim<br />
So I take it you pay no taxes, posses no driver&#8217;s license, pay no utility bills, don&#8217;t use US currency? Funny how you hold yourself up on a pedestal, but you&#8217;re just like everybody else, except probably less.</p>
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		<title>By: Mel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:53:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is simply an issue of economics. iTunes will host on the music store what is making them money. Rap or WP music, rock music or classical, if it makes them money then to host it on their site is a sound business decision.

I don&#039;t necessarily agree with that business oriented mindset, but if iTunes were to remove all offensive music I would say a good portion of the music that people frequently buy would be gone. Lady Gaga, 50 Cent, Eminem, etc. I&#039;m pretty sure that some of their lyrics can offend people.

I would also like to point out that on the iTunes music store if you want to buy &quot;hate music&quot; you have to go looking for it--it is not listed on their main homepage. Furthermore, if someone went looking for this music I feel comfortable in saying that they would be able to get a hold of it even if it wasn&#039;t hosted on iTunes.

People often approach social problems by attacking the symptoms--in this case &quot;hate music&quot; (I put that in quotations because that&#039;s not actually a music genre). However, people forget to attempt to understand why there are people out there who even feel like this in the first place. If we can foster a society in which people do not feel the need to feel this way, then perhaps no one would make money by selling &quot;hate music.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is simply an issue of economics. iTunes will host on the music store what is making them money. Rap or WP music, rock music or classical, if it makes them money then to host it on their site is a sound business decision.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t necessarily agree with that business oriented mindset, but if iTunes were to remove all offensive music I would say a good portion of the music that people frequently buy would be gone. Lady Gaga, 50 Cent, Eminem, etc. I&#8217;m pretty sure that some of their lyrics can offend people.</p>
<p>I would also like to point out that on the iTunes music store if you want to buy &#8220;hate music&#8221; you have to go looking for it&#8211;it is not listed on their main homepage. Furthermore, if someone went looking for this music I feel comfortable in saying that they would be able to get a hold of it even if it wasn&#8217;t hosted on iTunes.</p>
<p>People often approach social problems by attacking the symptoms&#8211;in this case &#8220;hate music&#8221; (I put that in quotations because that&#8217;s not actually a music genre). However, people forget to attempt to understand why there are people out there who even feel like this in the first place. If we can foster a society in which people do not feel the need to feel this way, then perhaps no one would make money by selling &#8220;hate music.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: DocDiggs</title>
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		<dc:creator>DocDiggs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 20:17:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The refusal of the larger, more commercial sites to sell extremist music is certainly not a threat to the First Amendment rights of the producers of such stuff. As stated earlier, there are many markets available where such music can be peddled.  The problem is not that, but rather a commercial one.  The stuff sells...it is commercially viable and a real money maker for the sellers.  And that is why it still exists on the larger sellers.  It inflates the bottom line pure and simple.  And that is why they will more &#039;n likely continue to be sold big time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The refusal of the larger, more commercial sites to sell extremist music is certainly not a threat to the First Amendment rights of the producers of such stuff. As stated earlier, there are many markets available where such music can be peddled.  The problem is not that, but rather a commercial one.  The stuff sells&#8230;it is commercially viable and a real money maker for the sellers.  And that is why it still exists on the larger sellers.  It inflates the bottom line pure and simple.  And that is why they will more &#8216;n likely continue to be sold big time.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Lunsford</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2009/08/24/when-it-comes-to-peddling-hate-music-itunes-appears-to-be-selective/comment-page-1/#comment-112105</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Lunsford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 22:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Vick, you are talking of a free and open society. One brave enough to air opposing views and air their dirty laundry. No, these people here aren&#039;t interested in that type of society. They prefer the tyranny of political correctness. Practising the double-speak of Orwellian infamy.  It is a tyranny of our thoughts, not an education of our minds they seek. Subjugation, not understanding. It is the evil tyranny of the modern liberalism. I prefer the liberalism of the founding fathers, though in all actuality, I am an anarchist. That would be the most peaceful and fluid form of government. One that would practise freedom more, rather than the tyranny of modern governments. But, I would settle for a liberal dose of freedom and release from the infantile rants of idiots begging for government to cure some disease it created to begin with.  Modern liberalism is to freedom as the plague is to good health. These liberals would rather be slaves than free. It is why they propose to enslave everyone with their fears of hate groups, hate music, and the like. They are truly lost and wissh not to find their way, but to lose everyone elee they can on the way. To hell with them. I am a free man. I was born free, I live free, and I will die free. As such, I will not tell anyone else what they must or must not listen to or do.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vick, you are talking of a free and open society. One brave enough to air opposing views and air their dirty laundry. No, these people here aren&#8217;t interested in that type of society. They prefer the tyranny of political correctness. Practising the double-speak of Orwellian infamy.  It is a tyranny of our thoughts, not an education of our minds they seek. Subjugation, not understanding. It is the evil tyranny of the modern liberalism. I prefer the liberalism of the founding fathers, though in all actuality, I am an anarchist. That would be the most peaceful and fluid form of government. One that would practise freedom more, rather than the tyranny of modern governments. But, I would settle for a liberal dose of freedom and release from the infantile rants of idiots begging for government to cure some disease it created to begin with.  Modern liberalism is to freedom as the plague is to good health. These liberals would rather be slaves than free. It is why they propose to enslave everyone with their fears of hate groups, hate music, and the like. They are truly lost and wissh not to find their way, but to lose everyone elee they can on the way. To hell with them. I am a free man. I was born free, I live free, and I will die free. As such, I will not tell anyone else what they must or must not listen to or do.</p>
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		<title>By: kensh1ro</title>
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		<dc:creator>kensh1ro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 20:20:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Snorlax
What I was refering to was my idea that the KKK and the NSM have too many rights. It&#039;s because of them that I feel that we all might lose rights, because some people (the KKK and the NSM) can&#039;t seem to use it responsibly.
I hate any and all such groups and it&#039;s deeply offensive that you would imply (even in a joke) that I was a member of such hate group.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Snorlax<br />
What I was refering to was my idea that the KKK and the NSM have too many rights. It&#8217;s because of them that I feel that we all might lose rights, because some people (the KKK and the NSM) can&#8217;t seem to use it responsibly.<br />
I hate any and all such groups and it&#8217;s deeply offensive that you would imply (even in a joke) that I was a member of such hate group.</p>
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		<title>By: Vick</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2009/08/24/when-it-comes-to-peddling-hate-music-itunes-appears-to-be-selective/comment-page-1/#comment-111980</link>
		<dc:creator>Vick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 07:54:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t get this tendency by the SPLC lately to silence voices it doesn&#039;t like. Lou Dobbs, now crappy skinhead music and so on, I expect we&#039;ll see more.

You don&#039;t stop ideas by silencing the expression of them, you stop them by confronting them with better ideas. The desire to control, silence, and snuff out competing views cannot be healthy no matter how awful those views are. Don&#039;t become what you despise.

In fact, open expression should be one of our paramount values. Let every voice and every idea be heard. If you&#039;re proud of your views and secure in their correctness, then you won&#039;t be afraid when the other guy opens his mouth to speak.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t get this tendency by the SPLC lately to silence voices it doesn&#8217;t like. Lou Dobbs, now crappy skinhead music and so on, I expect we&#8217;ll see more.</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t stop ideas by silencing the expression of them, you stop them by confronting them with better ideas. The desire to control, silence, and snuff out competing views cannot be healthy no matter how awful those views are. Don&#8217;t become what you despise.</p>
<p>In fact, open expression should be one of our paramount values. Let every voice and every idea be heard. If you&#8217;re proud of your views and secure in their correctness, then you won&#8217;t be afraid when the other guy opens his mouth to speak.</p>
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		<title>By: CANDID</title>
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		<dc:creator>CANDID</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 21:14:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you want to exclude this type of music, you would have to go after RAP and HIP HOP as well. There are many HIP HOP songs out there that push for black power and are very racist towards others. Why go after one group w/o going after all of the groups???]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you want to exclude this type of music, you would have to go after RAP and HIP HOP as well. There are many HIP HOP songs out there that push for black power and are very racist towards others. Why go after one group w/o going after all of the groups???</p>
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		<title>By: A.C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>A.C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 05:37:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Either put the Buju Banton track back up or dump Skrewdriver along with it. I don&#039;t support Steve Job Destroyer and Jeff Bozo&#039;s corporate thuggery anyways. I support my local book stores and record shops as much as I can.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Either put the Buju Banton track back up or dump Skrewdriver along with it. I don&#8217;t support Steve Job Destroyer and Jeff Bozo&#8217;s corporate thuggery anyways. I support my local book stores and record shops as much as I can.</p>
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		<title>By: Geewhiz</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2009/08/24/when-it-comes-to-peddling-hate-music-itunes-appears-to-be-selective/comment-page-1/#comment-111739</link>
		<dc:creator>Geewhiz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 15:12:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[By combining some of the earlier comments, let&#039;s again note that the First Amendment protects free speech, and not the businesses that sell garbage. When more than 30 years ago the Nazis marched in Skokie, which has/had a large Jewish population including Holocaust survivors, their right to march, chant and hold up signs was, unfortunately, covered by the First Amendment. But if there&#039;s no one there to hear their rantings (if I recall correctly, only a few people showed up) then their right to march is simply foolish. In a similar vein, if iTunes and Amazon continue selling this hate music, it reflects on them making poor business decisions. But if they insist on continuing to sell this kind of music, why not put some kind of notation or warning (like on CDs) that this music supports hate of minorities,letting its customers know that these very visible and successful companies peddle that kind of music, and letting others know what to avoid. Sure, a warning might attract the curious, but hopefully they won&#039;t spend the money to buy that music. Maybe the anti-hate site can start a petition asking iTunes and Amazon to quit peddling this smut. Nothing like bad publicity to get the public&#039;s attention. (And, no I don&#039;t subscribe to the PR notion that any publicity is good publicity.) Not when the company is accused of selling smut.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By combining some of the earlier comments, let&#8217;s again note that the First Amendment protects free speech, and not the businesses that sell garbage. When more than 30 years ago the Nazis marched in Skokie, which has/had a large Jewish population including Holocaust survivors, their right to march, chant and hold up signs was, unfortunately, covered by the First Amendment. But if there&#8217;s no one there to hear their rantings (if I recall correctly, only a few people showed up) then their right to march is simply foolish. In a similar vein, if iTunes and Amazon continue selling this hate music, it reflects on them making poor business decisions. But if they insist on continuing to sell this kind of music, why not put some kind of notation or warning (like on CDs) that this music supports hate of minorities,letting its customers know that these very visible and successful companies peddle that kind of music, and letting others know what to avoid. Sure, a warning might attract the curious, but hopefully they won&#8217;t spend the money to buy that music. Maybe the anti-hate site can start a petition asking iTunes and Amazon to quit peddling this smut. Nothing like bad publicity to get the public&#8217;s attention. (And, no I don&#8217;t subscribe to the PR notion that any publicity is good publicity.) Not when the company is accused of selling smut.</p>
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		<title>By: Allen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 02:01:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Capnchaos,

You&#039;re comparing humans to animals, it just doesn&#039;t work.  Lions and tigers are separate species; they are closely related enough to make children, but the children are sterile.  That&#039;s the definition of species, when two animals can mate and have viable offspring (IE - offspring that can in turn have their own children) then they are the same species.  Therefore, there are no separate species of humanity, we can all have viable children together.  That&#039;s why it is ridiculous as well as sacrilegious to try to compare humanity to animals such as cats, apes, or elephants.  It&#039;s like trying to compare apples to oranges, or even more like trying to compare humans to amoebas.  The logic just doesn&#039;t stand up under scrutiny.

It&#039;s your kind of WS white people that sometimes makes me ashamed of being white.  I pray for God to bring the day closer when, because of integrated marriage, we can all say with certitude that none of us is &quot;pure&quot; anything but human.  And we will always have diversity - no matter how much the human genome commingles, we will always have extremes of skin tone and facial features, and if you think any different it&#039;s only because you have no idea how things work on a genetic level.  We will never have a genetically homogeneous society, and praise God for that!  Variety is the spice of life.

If you think that white people are an endangered “species”, all I can say is God can make it stop if he so desires.  However, if it is happening because it is within God&#039;s wisdom that it should happen, neither you nor I can argue with the wisdom of God.  And if the day ever comes that He announces, in His wisdom, that the so-called “white race” is finished with, null and void, I&#039;ll be with everybody else singing His praises in the streets that He was so wise as to wipe that stain off the face of the earth!

Now, chaos, you can go have your temper tantrum now, just don&#039;t go getting&#039; all cranky enough to shoot any of my fellow humans.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Capnchaos,</p>
<p>You&#8217;re comparing humans to animals, it just doesn&#8217;t work.  Lions and tigers are separate species; they are closely related enough to make children, but the children are sterile.  That&#8217;s the definition of species, when two animals can mate and have viable offspring (IE &#8211; offspring that can in turn have their own children) then they are the same species.  Therefore, there are no separate species of humanity, we can all have viable children together.  That&#8217;s why it is ridiculous as well as sacrilegious to try to compare humanity to animals such as cats, apes, or elephants.  It&#8217;s like trying to compare apples to oranges, or even more like trying to compare humans to amoebas.  The logic just doesn&#8217;t stand up under scrutiny.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s your kind of WS white people that sometimes makes me ashamed of being white.  I pray for God to bring the day closer when, because of integrated marriage, we can all say with certitude that none of us is &#8220;pure&#8221; anything but human.  And we will always have diversity &#8211; no matter how much the human genome commingles, we will always have extremes of skin tone and facial features, and if you think any different it&#8217;s only because you have no idea how things work on a genetic level.  We will never have a genetically homogeneous society, and praise God for that!  Variety is the spice of life.</p>
<p>If you think that white people are an endangered “species”, all I can say is God can make it stop if he so desires.  However, if it is happening because it is within God&#8217;s wisdom that it should happen, neither you nor I can argue with the wisdom of God.  And if the day ever comes that He announces, in His wisdom, that the so-called “white race” is finished with, null and void, I&#8217;ll be with everybody else singing His praises in the streets that He was so wise as to wipe that stain off the face of the earth!</p>
<p>Now, chaos, you can go have your temper tantrum now, just don&#8217;t go getting&#8217; all cranky enough to shoot any of my fellow humans.</p>
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		<title>By: Captainchaos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Captainchaos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 19:04:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;you are right in that there is no biological definition of race,&quot;

I&#039;m afraid self-identified ethnicity can be genetically correlated to a degree of about 99% with the individual&#039;s population of ancestral origin.  Even the Swiss of Italian, German and French ancestry form discernible clusters when tested and are therefore identifiably genetically distinct.  Try telling a forensic anthropologist or medical examiner there are not clear morphological and skeletal differences as well.  We enjoy a physically distinct existence, and these have real world, civilization impacting consequences aside from the aesctetic formality of preserving fair hair and eyes - though the latter is not nothing for I would hate to see what is beautiful pass from this life, the only life we have.

&quot;Let me guess - you’re white aren’t you? Hmmmm….&quot;

I&#039;m of Northwestern European descent.  

Further, there is the question of the adaptiveness of what is apparently the Jewish group survival strategy.  I not so long ago studied under noted Straussians, one of whom was portrayed as a minor character in the novel Ravelstein (no, he was not Bloom, but his good friend).  The Straussians were the only men who seemed to me to take seriously the question of what it means to be a man and what is the good life.  Now in his first lecture he all but came out and stated his belief in the biologically based ability of the peoples that did create, to create, Western Civilization.  He also expressed the importance to himself of his Jewishness.  Now, this man, these men, are atheists and believe the especial virtues of the Jewish people are genetically endowed - obviously.  I experienced him as a palpably descent man and one who was once a brilliant scholar, though then on the downside of his mental abilities.  

We all know, though I&#039;ll bet few would have the courage to state it, what influence he and his ilk had in taking our country to war; and just why they did that - to secure the existence of their beloved Jewish people.  I cannot fully blame them, I know what it is to love one&#039;s people.  Their support for open borders here, and not in their own homeland, is motivated by same.  But it is folly.  I would like to think that there is a space in which intelligent men of good will can discuss such things without resorting to the gutter tactic of smears which inciting the Pavlovian responses.  To put it bluntly, the survival of the Jewish people is dependent upon the continued existence and good will of my race.  There is no other people, certainly not the Chinese, who give a damn nor would put up with such nonsense.  And if the Chinese were told they did not exist, had no interest in continuing to exist, nor were not a preeminent people from the perspective of civilization building capacity, they very least they would do is laugh.

All those &#039;in the know&#039; know that is the truth, or well should.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;you are right in that there is no biological definition of race,&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m afraid self-identified ethnicity can be genetically correlated to a degree of about 99% with the individual&#8217;s population of ancestral origin.  Even the Swiss of Italian, German and French ancestry form discernible clusters when tested and are therefore identifiably genetically distinct.  Try telling a forensic anthropologist or medical examiner there are not clear morphological and skeletal differences as well.  We enjoy a physically distinct existence, and these have real world, civilization impacting consequences aside from the aesctetic formality of preserving fair hair and eyes &#8211; though the latter is not nothing for I would hate to see what is beautiful pass from this life, the only life we have.</p>
<p>&#8220;Let me guess &#8211; you’re white aren’t you? Hmmmm….&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m of Northwestern European descent.  </p>
<p>Further, there is the question of the adaptiveness of what is apparently the Jewish group survival strategy.  I not so long ago studied under noted Straussians, one of whom was portrayed as a minor character in the novel Ravelstein (no, he was not Bloom, but his good friend).  The Straussians were the only men who seemed to me to take seriously the question of what it means to be a man and what is the good life.  Now in his first lecture he all but came out and stated his belief in the biologically based ability of the peoples that did create, to create, Western Civilization.  He also expressed the importance to himself of his Jewishness.  Now, this man, these men, are atheists and believe the especial virtues of the Jewish people are genetically endowed &#8211; obviously.  I experienced him as a palpably descent man and one who was once a brilliant scholar, though then on the downside of his mental abilities.  </p>
<p>We all know, though I&#8217;ll bet few would have the courage to state it, what influence he and his ilk had in taking our country to war; and just why they did that &#8211; to secure the existence of their beloved Jewish people.  I cannot fully blame them, I know what it is to love one&#8217;s people.  Their support for open borders here, and not in their own homeland, is motivated by same.  But it is folly.  I would like to think that there is a space in which intelligent men of good will can discuss such things without resorting to the gutter tactic of smears which inciting the Pavlovian responses.  To put it bluntly, the survival of the Jewish people is dependent upon the continued existence and good will of my race.  There is no other people, certainly not the Chinese, who give a damn nor would put up with such nonsense.  And if the Chinese were told they did not exist, had no interest in continuing to exist, nor were not a preeminent people from the perspective of civilization building capacity, they very least they would do is laugh.</p>
<p>All those &#8216;in the know&#8217; know that is the truth, or well should.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan the non-Aryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan the non-Aryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 17:27:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually there&#039;s  nothing &quot;misleading&quot; about the term--&quot;white supremacist&quot;. Technically its more of a pejorative referrence to someone who generally associates themselves with pro-white idealogy hence--interests as in neo-Nazism/white power/white nationalism et al. Or in your word--&quot;eurocentrism&quot;. You can call is a PC as if its a &quot;politically correct&quot; term. But in its general usuage--its basically a denigration of an unpopular political belief.  In fact, &quot;white supremacist&quot; is so often used as more as a vitriolic insult rather than any referrences to the vague concepts a &quot;captainchoas&quot; noted above.  So your analogy is way off the base. And sorry, I&#039;m not a &quot;Darwinist&quot; in that regard.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually there&#8217;s  nothing &#8220;misleading&#8221; about the term&#8211;&#8221;white supremacist&#8221;. Technically its more of a pejorative referrence to someone who generally associates themselves with pro-white idealogy hence&#8211;interests as in neo-Nazism/white power/white nationalism et al. Or in your word&#8211;&#8221;eurocentrism&#8221;. You can call is a PC as if its a &#8220;politically correct&#8221; term. But in its general usuage&#8211;its basically a denigration of an unpopular political belief.  In fact, &#8220;white supremacist&#8221; is so often used as more as a vitriolic insult rather than any referrences to the vague concepts a &#8220;captainchoas&#8221; noted above.  So your analogy is way off the base. And sorry, I&#8217;m not a &#8220;Darwinist&#8221; in that regard.</p>
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		<title>By: Captainchaos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Captainchaos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 15:54:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Also, the term &quot;white supremacist&quot; is misleading.  It assumes on the part of the one who asserts it a natural or divinely inspired hierarchy of valuation.  For a serious Darwinist there can be no such thing, there is not god, nature is oblivious and therefore does not give a damn.  It is in fact eurocentrism.  Just as the contention that homo sapiens sapiens are &quot;superior&quot; to the &quot;lower&quot; primates is anthropocentrism.  But you see, all the value that there can be to our existence is what we are evolved to value, to value our own survival, the propagation into future of what we are.  The alternative is masochism slouching towards nihilism.  Or, transhumanism, which would only serve the will to power of the personal preferences of those in power.  There you have it.

P.S. Unless one of your will come out and plainly state human groups do not in fact exist, or if they do have no evolved affinity for co-ethnics, or if they do have said affinity it can and should be extirpated in them, and apply this standard across the board, and not just towards those of European descent, your hypocrisy and implicit genocidalism will have been exposed.  No way around that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, the term &#8220;white supremacist&#8221; is misleading.  It assumes on the part of the one who asserts it a natural or divinely inspired hierarchy of valuation.  For a serious Darwinist there can be no such thing, there is not god, nature is oblivious and therefore does not give a damn.  It is in fact eurocentrism.  Just as the contention that homo sapiens sapiens are &#8220;superior&#8221; to the &#8220;lower&#8221; primates is anthropocentrism.  But you see, all the value that there can be to our existence is what we are evolved to value, to value our own survival, the propagation into future of what we are.  The alternative is masochism slouching towards nihilism.  Or, transhumanism, which would only serve the will to power of the personal preferences of those in power.  There you have it.</p>
<p>P.S. Unless one of your will come out and plainly state human groups do not in fact exist, or if they do have no evolved affinity for co-ethnics, or if they do have said affinity it can and should be extirpated in them, and apply this standard across the board, and not just towards those of European descent, your hypocrisy and implicit genocidalism will have been exposed.  No way around that.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 15:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Captain Chaos - you are right in that there is no biological definition of race, it is an entirely social construct. This does not mean that it does not exist. Persecution is a social construct, success is a social construct, happiness is a social construct. None of these things have any basis in biology. They still exist. Economics exist. Politics exist. And persecution of minorities exists. It does not need a biological definition in order to be real. Let me guess - you&#039;re white aren&#039;t you? Hmmmm....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Captain Chaos &#8211; you are right in that there is no biological definition of race, it is an entirely social construct. This does not mean that it does not exist. Persecution is a social construct, success is a social construct, happiness is a social construct. None of these things have any basis in biology. They still exist. Economics exist. Politics exist. And persecution of minorities exists. It does not need a biological definition in order to be real. Let me guess &#8211; you&#8217;re white aren&#8217;t you? Hmmmm&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Captainchaos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Captainchaos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 15:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;then any arguments they want to make about being a “persecuted minority” are pretty much moot points.&quot;

Then I would like to see you apply that standard across the board.

&quot;Until anyone can show me a genuine DNA test that proves that they are “pure white” (which I am certain there is no such thing; scientists can’t even come up with a definition of what race is!)&quot;

Race is an extended family, slightly inbred, which springs from a common source.  We share genes and gene frequencies in common with lower primates and so on down the tree of life.  Why not do away with those distinctions as well?  But it may be argued, &#039;Humans and lower primates cannot produce offspring if breed together.&#039;  Well now, tigers and lions, though classified as separate species, can.  Why not see to it that African elephants and Asians elephants are breed together, after all, there is a diminishing supply of both, so why not consolidate the stock?  Because that would be an act of ideologically imposed nihilism which destroys bio-diversity which we are informed we should value, no?  You see, it is precisely the unique genes and relative gene frequencies which make us who we are, both individually and collectively, and we wish to remain ourselves.  And we have an evolved affinity for those most genetically similar to ourselves (genetic similarity theory); of course it would be that way for social animals who co-evolved in groups and depend upon one another for survival in their unique environments of evolutionary adaptation.  Your whole enterprise is therefore immoral because it flouts the evolved basis of the moral instincts.  That is unless you want to go with transhumanism, in which case I&#039;ll say, &#039;Fair enough.&#039;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;then any arguments they want to make about being a “persecuted minority” are pretty much moot points.&#8221;</p>
<p>Then I would like to see you apply that standard across the board.</p>
<p>&#8220;Until anyone can show me a genuine DNA test that proves that they are “pure white” (which I am certain there is no such thing; scientists can’t even come up with a definition of what race is!)&#8221;</p>
<p>Race is an extended family, slightly inbred, which springs from a common source.  We share genes and gene frequencies in common with lower primates and so on down the tree of life.  Why not do away with those distinctions as well?  But it may be argued, &#8216;Humans and lower primates cannot produce offspring if breed together.&#8217;  Well now, tigers and lions, though classified as separate species, can.  Why not see to it that African elephants and Asians elephants are breed together, after all, there is a diminishing supply of both, so why not consolidate the stock?  Because that would be an act of ideologically imposed nihilism which destroys bio-diversity which we are informed we should value, no?  You see, it is precisely the unique genes and relative gene frequencies which make us who we are, both individually and collectively, and we wish to remain ourselves.  And we have an evolved affinity for those most genetically similar to ourselves (genetic similarity theory); of course it would be that way for social animals who co-evolved in groups and depend upon one another for survival in their unique environments of evolutionary adaptation.  Your whole enterprise is therefore immoral because it flouts the evolved basis of the moral instincts.  That is unless you want to go with transhumanism, in which case I&#8217;ll say, &#8216;Fair enough.&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Snorlax</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2009/08/24/when-it-comes-to-peddling-hate-music-itunes-appears-to-be-selective/comment-page-1/#comment-111581</link>
		<dc:creator>Snorlax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 15:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;...when George Bush said his &#039;too much freedom&#039; line, he was probably right.&quot;

Hey, kensh1ro, your dry cleaner called.  Your white sheet with the eyeholes is ready, but they can&#039;t get the blood stains out of your brown shirt.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;when George Bush said his &#8216;too much freedom&#8217; line, he was probably right.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hey, kensh1ro, your dry cleaner called.  Your white sheet with the eyeholes is ready, but they can&#8217;t get the blood stains out of your brown shirt.</p>
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		<title>By: Snorlax</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2009/08/24/when-it-comes-to-peddling-hate-music-itunes-appears-to-be-selective/comment-page-1/#comment-111580</link>
		<dc:creator>Snorlax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 15:01:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Every newspaper, radio station, bookstore, etc... makes decisions everyday about what to publish or sell and what not to publish or sell. Those decisions are influenced in large part by said corporation’s beliefs about what will make its customers happy. How is that censorship?&quot;

When the decision is made based on the content alone, rather than purely commercial considerations, then that IS censorship.

Like when WalMart issues censored versions of rap music.

BTW, I agree that all rap music is NOT hate speech.  Some of it is actually quite good, and I&#039;m an old white guy (who listened to Grand Master Flash back in the day)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Every newspaper, radio station, bookstore, etc&#8230; makes decisions everyday about what to publish or sell and what not to publish or sell. Those decisions are influenced in large part by said corporation’s beliefs about what will make its customers happy. How is that censorship?&#8221;</p>
<p>When the decision is made based on the content alone, rather than purely commercial considerations, then that IS censorship.</p>
<p>Like when WalMart issues censored versions of rap music.</p>
<p>BTW, I agree that all rap music is NOT hate speech.  Some of it is actually quite good, and I&#8217;m an old white guy (who listened to Grand Master Flash back in the day)</p>
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		<title>By: Snorlax</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2009/08/24/when-it-comes-to-peddling-hate-music-itunes-appears-to-be-selective/comment-page-1/#comment-111578</link>
		<dc:creator>Snorlax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 14:54:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Banning music is what Nazis and Commies do.  It&#039;s un-American.

The hatemongers WANT their garbage banned, so it will be more popular with kids.

I say, give them all the microphone cable they want...and they will hang themselves with it.

The free marketplace of ideas is still the best way to expose this garbage and ensure it ends up in the Dumpster where it belongs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Banning music is what Nazis and Commies do.  It&#8217;s un-American.</p>
<p>The hatemongers WANT their garbage banned, so it will be more popular with kids.</p>
<p>I say, give them all the microphone cable they want&#8230;and they will hang themselves with it.</p>
<p>The free marketplace of ideas is still the best way to expose this garbage and ensure it ends up in the Dumpster where it belongs.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Lunsford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Lunsford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 14:23:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Real rap music is extremely political. NWA and RATM are my personal favorites. Those idiots who advocate censorship would consider their music hate music. That is because the lyrics are superficially filled with messages that advocate destruction of the system. The gangsta rap is just crap. As far as censorship goes, the moderators on this site do a ton of it. What the MSM does is far worse than what you call censorship. It is nothing more than a propoganda and marketing machine. Which is why rap music died and was replaced by the bling-bling idiots.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Real rap music is extremely political. NWA and RATM are my personal favorites. Those idiots who advocate censorship would consider their music hate music. That is because the lyrics are superficially filled with messages that advocate destruction of the system. The gangsta rap is just crap. As far as censorship goes, the moderators on this site do a ton of it. What the MSM does is far worse than what you call censorship. It is nothing more than a propoganda and marketing machine. Which is why rap music died and was replaced by the bling-bling idiots.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 13:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What is all this talk about freedom of speech and the first amendment? No one here has advocated banning anything. Pressuring a private corporation to make responsible decisions about the types of products they sell is not censorship. Every newspaper, radio station, bookstore, etc., etc., etc., makes decisions everyday about what to publish or sell and what not to publish or sell. Those decisions are influenced in large part by said corporation&#039;s beliefs about what will make its customers happy. How is that censorship? Nobody is banning anything. It&#039;s not a violation of free speech and it most certainly has not even the vaguest relationship to communism.

Point number two: anybody who has the gall to claim that all rap music is hate music obviously doesn&#039;t know jack about rap music. You are showing off your own ignorance and you sound like a fool.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is all this talk about freedom of speech and the first amendment? No one here has advocated banning anything. Pressuring a private corporation to make responsible decisions about the types of products they sell is not censorship. Every newspaper, radio station, bookstore, etc., etc., etc., makes decisions everyday about what to publish or sell and what not to publish or sell. Those decisions are influenced in large part by said corporation&#8217;s beliefs about what will make its customers happy. How is that censorship? Nobody is banning anything. It&#8217;s not a violation of free speech and it most certainly has not even the vaguest relationship to communism.</p>
<p>Point number two: anybody who has the gall to claim that all rap music is hate music obviously doesn&#8217;t know jack about rap music. You are showing off your own ignorance and you sound like a fool.</p>
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		<title>By: Allen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 04:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For Captainchaos - 

So-Called &#039;Racial&#039; &#039;Purity&#039; of Blonde, Blue-Eyed Scandinavians a Myth (http://www.itsyourtimes.com/?q=node/3699/print)

DNA testing for ethnicity (http://www.pathway.com/more_info/ancestry?KEYWORD=dna%20testing%20for%20ethnicity&amp;jt=1&amp;jadid=2683994856&amp;jk=dna%20testing%20for%20ethnicity&amp;js=1&amp;jmt=1&amp;jkId=8a8ae4cc21fadc2201223d92c77607c7&amp;jsid=15715&amp;&amp;gclid=COSwmsC7ypwCFRBM5Qod0SovLg)

Until anyone can show me a genuine DNA test that proves that they are &quot;pure white&quot; (which I am certain there is no such thing; scientists can&#039;t even come up with a definition of what race is!) then any arguments they want to make about being a &quot;persecuted minority&quot; are pretty much moot points.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For Captainchaos &#8211; </p>
<p>So-Called &#8216;Racial&#8217; &#8216;Purity&#8217; of Blonde, Blue-Eyed Scandinavians a Myth (<a href="http://www.itsyourtimes.com/?q=node/3699/print" rel="nofollow">http://www.itsyourtimes.com/?q=node/3699/print</a>)</p>
<p>DNA testing for ethnicity (<a href="http://www.pathway.com/more_info/ancestry?KEYWORD=dna%20testing%20for%20ethnicity&#038;jt=1&#038;jadid=2683994856&#038;jk=dna%20testing%20for%20ethnicity&#038;js=1&#038;jmt=1&#038;jkId=8a8ae4cc21fadc2201223d92c77607c7&#038;jsid=15715&#038;&#038;gclid=COSwmsC7ypwCFRBM5Qod0SovLg" rel="nofollow">http://www.pathway.com/more_in.....5Qod0SovLg</a>)</p>
<p>Until anyone can show me a genuine DNA test that proves that they are &#8220;pure white&#8221; (which I am certain there is no such thing; scientists can&#8217;t even come up with a definition of what race is!) then any arguments they want to make about being a &#8220;persecuted minority&#8221; are pretty much moot points.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Lunsford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Lunsford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 20:17:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So white supremacists should be filtered out, as well as rap music, as well as christian music, as well as any music which might conceivably make some wimpy little censor happy coward feel threatened? Those that are calling for censorship here are those who let others define their own morality as they do not have the courage to define their own. i don&#039;t listen to the music that they want censored, but I support those people in their right to be able to have their own beliefs. In fact, I have more respect for those whose music this collection of cowards find offensive as their music at least has a spine. Those who cry for their censorship don&#039;t have the courage to live in a free society. In making that choice, I have no respect for the censors.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So white supremacists should be filtered out, as well as rap music, as well as christian music, as well as any music which might conceivably make some wimpy little censor happy coward feel threatened? Those that are calling for censorship here are those who let others define their own morality as they do not have the courage to define their own. i don&#8217;t listen to the music that they want censored, but I support those people in their right to be able to have their own beliefs. In fact, I have more respect for those whose music this collection of cowards find offensive as their music at least has a spine. Those who cry for their censorship don&#8217;t have the courage to live in a free society. In making that choice, I have no respect for the censors.</p>
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		<title>By: Allen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 18:28:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Those talking about censorship plainly don&#039;t know what censorship is.  Censorship stifles the information before it gets out.  What we are talking about here (and what SPLC is trying to accomplish) is holding the speakers accountable when their irresponsible abuse of their 1st ammendment rights when it endangers the public.  When that happens, it is the duty of law enforcement to make an example of such a person.

If someone sullied your reputation over the radio, wouldn&#039;t you take them to court for slander?  I&#039;m willing to bet those babies crying about censorship would be the first to do so.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those talking about censorship plainly don&#8217;t know what censorship is.  Censorship stifles the information before it gets out.  What we are talking about here (and what SPLC is trying to accomplish) is holding the speakers accountable when their irresponsible abuse of their 1st ammendment rights when it endangers the public.  When that happens, it is the duty of law enforcement to make an example of such a person.</p>
<p>If someone sullied your reputation over the radio, wouldn&#8217;t you take them to court for slander?  I&#8217;m willing to bet those babies crying about censorship would be the first to do so.</p>
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		<title>By: kensh1ro</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2009/08/24/when-it-comes-to-peddling-hate-music-itunes-appears-to-be-selective/comment-page-1/#comment-111301</link>
		<dc:creator>kensh1ro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 18:33:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I completely agree with you in both of your posts. Why do people talk about the government censoring iTunes when it&#039;s a voluntary action from Apple and they practice self-regulation (like the MPAA or the ESRB). I also really like that Obi-Wan quote.
And all this talk of &quot;violating my 1st Amendment rights&quot; reminds me of something else Oliver Wendell Holmes (maybe) said, &quot;You can&#039;t (falsely) yell &#039;fire&#039; in a crowded theater.&quot; There&#039;s something called &quot;clear and present danger&quot;, which, it may be argued, some WN speech and music may create, like from the Skokie march (don&#039;t remember if the march did, in fact, take place). As much as it pains me to say this, when George Bush said his &quot;too much freedom&quot; line, he was probably right.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I completely agree with you in both of your posts. Why do people talk about the government censoring iTunes when it&#8217;s a voluntary action from Apple and they practice self-regulation (like the MPAA or the ESRB). I also really like that Obi-Wan quote.<br />
And all this talk of &#8220;violating my 1st Amendment rights&#8221; reminds me of something else Oliver Wendell Holmes (maybe) said, &#8220;You can&#8217;t (falsely) yell &#8216;fire&#8217; in a crowded theater.&#8221; There&#8217;s something called &#8220;clear and present danger&#8221;, which, it may be argued, some WN speech and music may create, like from the Skokie march (don&#8217;t remember if the march did, in fact, take place). As much as it pains me to say this, when George Bush said his &#8220;too much freedom&#8221; line, he was probably right.</p>
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		<title>By: Captainchaos</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2009/08/24/when-it-comes-to-peddling-hate-music-itunes-appears-to-be-selective/comment-page-1/#comment-111299</link>
		<dc:creator>Captainchaos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 18:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Allen: &quot;What I am saying is that there is a certain point where those who choose to exercise their freedoms need to be held accountable when someone gets hurt or killed, or even if the potential exists.&quot;

Of course it is never considered by you legitimate to censor the daily allotment of anti-White dross my people are subjected to by yes, the you-know-who&#039;s.  We are told we alone are guilty of the Original Sins of racism, xenophobia, homophobia, sexism, anti-Semitism by which we are responsible for all the ills of all the people of the world.  We are told, paradoxically, that our people don&#039;t exist, and if it is conceded that we do exist, that our existence is of no value - that is if it is even conceded our existence is not of negative value.  It is no less than Julius Streicher was tortured (yes, tortured) and executed at Nuremberg for.  

It is genocidalist rubbish.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Allen: &#8220;What I am saying is that there is a certain point where those who choose to exercise their freedoms need to be held accountable when someone gets hurt or killed, or even if the potential exists.&#8221;</p>
<p>Of course it is never considered by you legitimate to censor the daily allotment of anti-White dross my people are subjected to by yes, the you-know-who&#8217;s.  We are told we alone are guilty of the Original Sins of racism, xenophobia, homophobia, sexism, anti-Semitism by which we are responsible for all the ills of all the people of the world.  We are told, paradoxically, that our people don&#8217;t exist, and if it is conceded that we do exist, that our existence is of no value &#8211; that is if it is even conceded our existence is not of negative value.  It is no less than Julius Streicher was tortured (yes, tortured) and executed at Nuremberg for.  </p>
<p>It is genocidalist rubbish.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Lunsford</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2009/08/24/when-it-comes-to-peddling-hate-music-itunes-appears-to-be-selective/comment-page-1/#comment-111285</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Lunsford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 16:30:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, since you are going to be quoting Star Wars gibberish, may I remind you that your hero Obi-Wan was speaking in absolutes when he said that? Those who call for censorship are never free themselves. Freedom takes courage to face opposition. Censorship lacks such courage and takes the low road always. Though it is so very effective; Just ask Stalin.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, since you are going to be quoting Star Wars gibberish, may I remind you that your hero Obi-Wan was speaking in absolutes when he said that? Those who call for censorship are never free themselves. Freedom takes courage to face opposition. Censorship lacks such courage and takes the low road always. Though it is so very effective; Just ask Stalin.</p>
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		<title>By: Allen</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2009/08/24/when-it-comes-to-peddling-hate-music-itunes-appears-to-be-selective/comment-page-1/#comment-111273</link>
		<dc:creator>Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 15:40:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It should be clear to most rational people that my example of defending bin Laden&#039;s and Manson&#039;s freedom of speech is simply demonstrative rhetoric.  I&#039;m not really defending those monsters, I&#039;m just demonstrating that freedom of speech can never be absolute.  &quot;Only a Sith speaks in absolutes.&quot; as Obi-Wan said.  What I am saying is that there is a certain point where those who choose to exercise their freedoms need to be held accountable when someone gets hurt or killed, or even if the potential exists.

As for iTunes, they are a private business.  If they choose to self-censor, that is their choice.  It has nothing to do with the Bill of Rights, it has to do with customer service and the profit motive.  Would you, if iTunes did self-censor, try to take them to court for violating their own rights?  Of course not, that would be ridiculous.  It&#039;s just like this comments blog; it belongs to SPLC, and they can censor anybody they want to.  As a matter of fact, I&#039;m surprised that SPLC has let some of you guys  get away with some of the things you have said.  It&#039;s a testament to their love of the Bill of rights that they have.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It should be clear to most rational people that my example of defending bin Laden&#8217;s and Manson&#8217;s freedom of speech is simply demonstrative rhetoric.  I&#8217;m not really defending those monsters, I&#8217;m just demonstrating that freedom of speech can never be absolute.  &#8220;Only a Sith speaks in absolutes.&#8221; as Obi-Wan said.  What I am saying is that there is a certain point where those who choose to exercise their freedoms need to be held accountable when someone gets hurt or killed, or even if the potential exists.</p>
<p>As for iTunes, they are a private business.  If they choose to self-censor, that is their choice.  It has nothing to do with the Bill of Rights, it has to do with customer service and the profit motive.  Would you, if iTunes did self-censor, try to take them to court for violating their own rights?  Of course not, that would be ridiculous.  It&#8217;s just like this comments blog; it belongs to SPLC, and they can censor anybody they want to.  As a matter of fact, I&#8217;m surprised that SPLC has let some of you guys  get away with some of the things you have said.  It&#8217;s a testament to their love of the Bill of rights that they have.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Lunsford</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2009/08/24/when-it-comes-to-peddling-hate-music-itunes-appears-to-be-selective/comment-page-1/#comment-111246</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Lunsford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 13:18:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[By the way Allen, you can also use your arguments on the president&#039;s as well. Bush and Obama have never killed anyone, but they have certainly sent enough people to their graves in their (and yes, it is now Obama&#039;s war as well since he is expanding the entire thing) unconstitutional and therefore illegal wars.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way Allen, you can also use your arguments on the president&#8217;s as well. Bush and Obama have never killed anyone, but they have certainly sent enough people to their graves in their (and yes, it is now Obama&#8217;s war as well since he is expanding the entire thing) unconstitutional and therefore illegal wars.</p>
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