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	<title>Comments on: Lies, Betrayals and Self-Promotions: The Shawna Forde Story</title>
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		<title>By: MrsCaptJack</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2009/10/26/lies-betrayals-and-self-promotions-the-shawna-forde-story/comment-page-1/#comment-125143</link>
		<dc:creator>MrsCaptJack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 20:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This woman is a complete whack-job.  How sad that she couldn&#039;t get past the terrible things that happened to her in her childhood and turn them into ways to help others.  She sounds like an unbelievable character off of a Law and Order episode...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This woman is a complete whack-job.  How sad that she couldn&#8217;t get past the terrible things that happened to her in her childhood and turn them into ways to help others.  She sounds like an unbelievable character off of a Law and Order episode&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Kate De Braose</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2009/10/26/lies-betrayals-and-self-promotions-the-shawna-forde-story/comment-page-1/#comment-125105</link>
		<dc:creator>Kate De Braose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:45:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Watch out for people who tell lies for any reason.  If they do that, all other crooked and manipulative actions are usually not far behind!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Watch out for people who tell lies for any reason.  If they do that, all other crooked and manipulative actions are usually not far behind!</p>
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		<title>By: sunkawakan</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2009/10/26/lies-betrayals-and-self-promotions-the-shawna-forde-story/comment-page-1/#comment-125072</link>
		<dc:creator>sunkawakan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 14:52:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Any link between Forde and D.A. King?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any link between Forde and D.A. King?</p>
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		<title>By: kate</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2009/10/26/lies-betrayals-and-self-promotions-the-shawna-forde-story/comment-page-1/#comment-125059</link>
		<dc:creator>kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 14:06:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Forde&#039;s mental instability is a tragedy in and of itself, a result of a mental health/child protection system that is stuck in the 19th century.

The minuteman groups and other hate groups provide sustenance for people who have felt thrown aside and ignored for most of their lives.  Unbalanced and angry, these misfits go on to terrorize innocent people.  This is nothing new; the Nazi party was a hotbed of mental dysfunction.

Legal protection for people now is paramount and then fixing our broken social services infrastructure is the next step in saving us the time, money and lives wasted because of it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forde&#8217;s mental instability is a tragedy in and of itself, a result of a mental health/child protection system that is stuck in the 19th century.</p>
<p>The minuteman groups and other hate groups provide sustenance for people who have felt thrown aside and ignored for most of their lives.  Unbalanced and angry, these misfits go on to terrorize innocent people.  This is nothing new; the Nazi party was a hotbed of mental dysfunction.</p>
<p>Legal protection for people now is paramount and then fixing our broken social services infrastructure is the next step in saving us the time, money and lives wasted because of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Aardman</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2009/10/26/lies-betrayals-and-self-promotions-the-shawna-forde-story/comment-page-1/#comment-124884</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Aardman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 20:05:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[An irrational hatred drove this Forde down a highway of personal destruction- she seems to be totalled after her recent collision with the law.

What information does the SPLC have about this Project Bluelight and its connections to nativist extremism?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An irrational hatred drove this Forde down a highway of personal destruction- she seems to be totalled after her recent collision with the law.</p>
<p>What information does the SPLC have about this Project Bluelight and its connections to nativist extremism?</p>
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		<title>By: Potter</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2009/10/26/lies-betrayals-and-self-promotions-the-shawna-forde-story/comment-page-1/#comment-124854</link>
		<dc:creator>Potter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 16:48:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Although this comment is not about Forde directly, I want to share this thought. The Patriot movement, the Minutemen movement and other super &quot;patriotic&quot; movements are NOT patriotic in the sense that they want to make our nation be healthy-they want it to be theirs. 

Now I know that perhaps some members of these groups may be patriotic, the majority of these individuals are not. Patriotism is not the same as nationalism. Patriotism&#039;s definition is simply a devoted love, support and defense of one&#039;s country. When taken to extremes or twisted, it becomes nationalism.  In the case of these groups it is truly nationalism that has the dressings (i.e. flag waving, patriotic rhetoric, flag pins, etc.) of patriotism. (Think of Nazi Germany&#039;s flag waving parades)
Nationalism, by the way is a policy or doctrine of asserting the perceived interests of one&#039;s own nation, viewed as separate from the interests of other nations or the common interests of all nations. Nationalism also usually has aspects of marginalizing certain groups of people as scapegoats. (Jews or immigrants for example)

I just want to point this out, lest we forget that flag waving and claiming that you are a patriot does not a true patriot make.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although this comment is not about Forde directly, I want to share this thought. The Patriot movement, the Minutemen movement and other super &#8220;patriotic&#8221; movements are NOT patriotic in the sense that they want to make our nation be healthy-they want it to be theirs. </p>
<p>Now I know that perhaps some members of these groups may be patriotic, the majority of these individuals are not. Patriotism is not the same as nationalism. Patriotism&#8217;s definition is simply a devoted love, support and defense of one&#8217;s country. When taken to extremes or twisted, it becomes nationalism.  In the case of these groups it is truly nationalism that has the dressings (i.e. flag waving, patriotic rhetoric, flag pins, etc.) of patriotism. (Think of Nazi Germany&#8217;s flag waving parades)<br />
Nationalism, by the way is a policy or doctrine of asserting the perceived interests of one&#8217;s own nation, viewed as separate from the interests of other nations or the common interests of all nations. Nationalism also usually has aspects of marginalizing certain groups of people as scapegoats. (Jews or immigrants for example)</p>
<p>I just want to point this out, lest we forget that flag waving and claiming that you are a patriot does not a true patriot make.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Davis</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2009/10/26/lies-betrayals-and-self-promotions-the-shawna-forde-story/comment-page-1/#comment-124819</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:35:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Once again this line of thinking tries to hide behind the love of my country while there real agenda is the hitler form of a good country man.  Just as was done in the time of hatred he represented so these hate filled bias groups try to sell there groups as a movement to save us from the great evil but wants us to think of them as openminded and none bias.  Stop the madness, dressing up and toning down the culture embedded way of thinking and reacting to situations with hate and bias are present and none accepting of truth or reason.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once again this line of thinking tries to hide behind the love of my country while there real agenda is the hitler form of a good country man.  Just as was done in the time of hatred he represented so these hate filled bias groups try to sell there groups as a movement to save us from the great evil but wants us to think of them as openminded and none bias.  Stop the madness, dressing up and toning down the culture embedded way of thinking and reacting to situations with hate and bias are present and none accepting of truth or reason.</p>
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		<title>By: Doris V</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2009/10/26/lies-betrayals-and-self-promotions-the-shawna-forde-story/comment-page-1/#comment-124638</link>
		<dc:creator>Doris V</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 00:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is downright scary.  Sounds like something for a gory Halloween story!!  As a resident of New Mexico but over 250 miles from the border, this stuff frightens all of southern New Mexico.  Most of us want all of these vigilantes to go home.  I hope Homeland Security does something to disband them before more innocent people are murdered.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is downright scary.  Sounds like something for a gory Halloween story!!  As a resident of New Mexico but over 250 miles from the border, this stuff frightens all of southern New Mexico.  Most of us want all of these vigilantes to go home.  I hope Homeland Security does something to disband them before more innocent people are murdered.</p>
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		<title>By: Advocate54</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2009/10/26/lies-betrayals-and-self-promotions-the-shawna-forde-story/comment-page-1/#comment-123944</link>
		<dc:creator>Advocate54</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:37:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the coverage on this story and helping us to keep it before the American Public.

Immigrationclearinghouse.org raised the question of the voracity of Forde&#039;s &quot;rape&quot; claims, after viewing the doctored photos she posted online.

Since that time, we&#039;ve pursued the truth. Unfortunately, Jim Gilchrist and others are blaming us for Forde&#039;s actions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the coverage on this story and helping us to keep it before the American Public.</p>
<p>Immigrationclearinghouse.org raised the question of the voracity of Forde&#8217;s &#8220;rape&#8221; claims, after viewing the doctored photos she posted online.</p>
<p>Since that time, we&#8217;ve pursued the truth. Unfortunately, Jim Gilchrist and others are blaming us for Forde&#8217;s actions.</p>
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		<title>By: Carter</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2009/10/26/lies-betrayals-and-self-promotions-the-shawna-forde-story/comment-page-1/#comment-123739</link>
		<dc:creator>Carter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 23:26:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Quote:
&quot;Police say she believed Flores was a drug smuggler and she planned to use any drugs or money she found in the home to support her Minuteman American Defense group.&quot;

 - Sounds like the Contras, doesn&#039;t it?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quote:<br />
&#8220;Police say she believed Flores was a drug smuggler and she planned to use any drugs or money she found in the home to support her Minuteman American Defense group.&#8221;</p>
<p> &#8211; Sounds like the Contras, doesn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: beholder</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2009/10/26/lies-betrayals-and-self-promotions-the-shawna-forde-story/comment-page-1/#comment-123691</link>
		<dc:creator>beholder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:49:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[“I think it is a user-friendly environment for folks who aren’t necessarily accountable because there are not hard and fast standards of accountability,” he said.
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Great post.

This is exactly the problem with border vigilantes. Citizen activism and political involvement is one thing, taking matters into your own hands is another. 

Immigration controls should only be enforced by dispassionate public servants, not law enforcement activists or citizen malcontents.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“I think it is a user-friendly environment for folks who aren’t necessarily accountable because there are not hard and fast standards of accountability,” he said.<br />
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<p>Great post.</p>
<p>This is exactly the problem with border vigilantes. Citizen activism and political involvement is one thing, taking matters into your own hands is another. </p>
<p>Immigration controls should only be enforced by dispassionate public servants, not law enforcement activists or citizen malcontents.</p>
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