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Dropping Academic Veneer, Cal State Prof Starts His Own Hate Group
It’s official. Cal State Long Beach psychology professor Kevin MacDonald has made the leap from academia to racist activism, signing on with the American Third Position (ATP), a white supremacist political party established in October “to represent the unique political interests of White Americans.” As excellently reported by the O.C. Weekly’s Gustavo Arellano, MacDonald is partnering with local racist skinheads “to create a new political party” that hopes to “oppose and deport non-whites.” MacDonald is listed as the group’s director.
Until October, when ATP was established, MacDonald was better known for his anti-Semitic “research” purportedly proving that Jews are driven by a genetically programmed group evolutionary strategy to undermine and harm Western civilization. (The idea is that they do so in order to weaken “host societies” that might otherwise oppress or act out against the Jews.) In his academic works, MacDonald has suggested taxing Jews or restricting their access to university as ways of protecting white society.
MacDonald has become a darling of the white nationalist circuit over the past few years, presenting his anti-Semitic ideas to suit-and-tie extremists in hotel ballrooms and similar venues. MacDonald’s theories — which are dressed up in psychological jargon and feature lots of endnotes — are enthusiastically endorsed by such listeners, who feel that MacDonald justifies their hate with “science.” Former Klan boss David Duke, for instance, is a huge fan, having lifted much of his own anti-Semitic “research” from the professor. In 2004, MacDonald was awarded $10,000 for his theories by The Occidental Quarterly (TOQ), a white supremacist journal on whose editorial board he serves.
But in the past few months, MacDonald has begun dropping his hotel ballrooms in favor of interviews with the proprietors of crudely hateful websites. Late last year, MacDonald gave a series of interviews to “Brother Nathanael Kapner” (a self-described former Jew turned “orthodox Christian”) of Real Zionist News, which battles “The Zionist War for Domination.” MacDonald belittled blacks, claiming Jews had simply “presented” them as leaders during the civil rights movement. MacDonald informed Kapner that Jews have no “real sympathy for the plight of blacks,” simply manipulating them “in their quest to achieve the eclipse of the political and cultural hegemony of white Americans.” Sounding a lot like a newly minted neo-Nazi activist, MacDonald called on whites to “stand up to American Jewry, fight for their own interests, and confront Jewish hypocrisy.”
Last year, MacDonald started up his very own online magazine, The Occidental Observer, to “present original content touching on the themes of white identity, white interests, and the culture of the West.” There, MacDonald celebrates the crudely pro-Klan film “The Birth of A Nation,” defends the anti-Semitism of automaker Henry Ford, and rails on about white victims of black criminality.
MacDonald has installed a hard-line racist as chairman of the ATP, William D. Johnson. A Los Angeles-based lawyer, Johnson is no newbie to hate. While running for a judicial post in 2008, the Metropolitan News-Enterprise revealed that Johnson is a white supremacist who has advocated deporting non-whites from the U.S.
The newspaper also found that Johnson had penned an infamous book in 1985, using the pseudonym James O. Pace, called Amendment to the Constitution. The book proposed a federal constitutional amendment to repeal the 14th and 15th Amendments — the 14th made freed slaves U.S. citizens and guaranteed equal protection under the law, and the 15th prohibited denial of the right to vote based on race — and substitute a blatantly racist alternative that Johnson dubbed the “Pace Amendment.” The new constitutional amendment would read: “No person shall be a citizen of the United States unless he is a non-Hispanic white of the European race, in whom there is no ascertainable trace of Negro blood, nor more than one-eighth Mongolian, Asian, Asia Minor, Middle Eastern, Semitic, Near Eastern, American Indian, Malay or other non-European or non-white blood, provided that Hispanic whites, defined as anyone with an Hispanic ancestor, may be citizens if, in addition to meeting the aforesaid ascertainable trace and percentage tests, they are in appearance indistinguishable from Americans whose ancestral home is in the British Isles or Northwestern Europe. Only citizens shall have the right and privilege to reside permanently in the United States.”
on January 5th, 2010 at 4:33 pm
How this fellow ever got into academia is quite a mystery. It must have really chapped MacDonald’s hide to be in a university environment where diversity is held up as a good thing (although often it’s lip service). Now the loony bastard is free to be himself.
I wonder how the racist would deal with me, since I am “in appearance indistinguishable from Americans whose ancestral home is in the British Isles or Northwestern Europe.” My ancestry is Portuguese and some of my family members are short and swart. Will they be European enough for bastard MacDonald?
on January 5th, 2010 at 8:41 pm
“The leap from academia to racist activism” doesn’t sound like a leap but a serious fall.
One of the very sad things is the exploitation of self-hating individuals like Nathanael Kapner. Every once in awhile there can be found some individual who has so much self loathing that they attempt some inane agenda like Kapner did. Even though their deeds are generally disgusting, they (IMO) are often to be pitied. Their self-concept must be astoundingly loathsome.
MacDonald may just find his audience of skinheads a bit different from his “suit & tie” genre’ he had been used to.
If MacDonald found that the substantiation for his venom were unique end-notes; he can now finally toss that bit of typing aside. His audience now won’t get two shakes about such things.
I’m beginning to think that by removing his thin veneer of academia, MacDonald made a very great mistake. I think his $10k from Duke is about all he’s going to get from that sector.
Face-lifts cost a bit of cash, now that Duke many not be able to bilk many more with his famous Doctorate.
I would even surmise that a bit of “intellectual” competition may arise from such stunning minds attempting to save Western civilization from the cunning minorities.
MacDonald appears rather naive in his moving his playground from a University to the Internet. Perhaps someone sold him on the tremendous amount of money and people he can reach by stunning the multitudes with his razor sharp wit.
The quote: “enthusiastically endorsed by such listeners, who feel that MacDonald justifies their hate with ‘science’.”” reminds me (tongue in cheek) of a song written by Thomas Dolby “She Blinded Me with Science”….Remember that little ditty?
Kevin certainly wears it well.
on January 6th, 2010 at 9:41 am
Do Psychology professors at a state colleges teach the institutional psychology requirements that prepares social workers for public service? His animosity may be grounded in his personal experience of making uninformed decisions when he chose his vocation.
on January 6th, 2010 at 12:19 pm
I suggest that we start a letter writing campaign to President of Cal State Long Beach, to the chair of his department and to the Attorney General of the State of California as it is a state institution.
Name: Alexander, F King
Title: PRESIDENT
Department: Office of the President
Phone: 562 985-4121
Email Address: fkalexan@csulb.edu
on January 6th, 2010 at 1:51 pm
Racists asshats have been all over academia for years. Just look at Michael Levine for a good example. The question is, what should be done with these people, academically?
on January 6th, 2010 at 2:35 pm
Racism has been “entrenched” in Califronia forever. Now that it rears its’ ugly head it can be vanquished, like an ongoing game of “Whack-A-Mole.” As a european who provides service to a homebound friend, I submit that not all who perform menial tasks are of non-white lineage.
on January 6th, 2010 at 11:35 pm
I believe that Kevin MacDonald’s beliefs are too dangerous to permit. He has violated hate crimes laws, and should be held accountable by the criminal justice system. White Nationalism is a pernicious idea, the founding fathers certainly did not intend that such harmful ideas would be covered by the Bill of Rights.
on January 7th, 2010 at 3:50 am
I think this is a good sign or else a Hitler like character will come along in America.He is only doing what everone else, including Israel and Saudi Arabia, is doing by trying to protect what he believes is America’s identity as a European nation with a Christian identity just like Israel wants to preserve its Jewish and Judaic character and Saudi Arabia is doing to protect its Islamic and Arabic identity.
Why should he be suddenly a racist when everybody else is doing it?
The SPLC is promotic Jewish ethnic interest and the NAACP is protecting African American ethnic interest. Its high time some party and organization protect European American ethnic interest.
Or else somebody else would.
I think he will be supported although not publicly.
on January 7th, 2010 at 5:59 am
It is not unusual for Marxists to disdain any ideas that run counter to their vision of a global hellhole, where nations, cultures and identities are erased in favor of a two-class system of elites ruling over uneducated serfs living like impoverished dogs in the mud.
on January 7th, 2010 at 9:08 am
When you frame the discussion so that those who are not “like us”, non Whites, have the right and freedom to pursue their races’ interests at the same time those pursuing the best interests of Whites are accused of “hate”, that makes this a dishonest discussion. White people have our hands tied behind our backs.
What is the difference between White people pursing our race interests and La Raza? Except that we are acting in our own behalf in our own country and not Mexico.
What is the difference between Zionism and Nazism? Why do Jews get to have a state of their own but for Aryans that is evil? At least we didn’t ask the Jews to bankrupt themselves and spill their children’s blood for an Aryan nation. Why isn’t it wrong and evil for our Christian children to be killing Muslims and being killed by them?
Why should you White people in this forum not be accused of “self hating”?
on January 7th, 2010 at 11:51 am
It’s not unusual for Jonathan to post something ridiculous, is it? I’m not totally sure why he bothers.
Marxism is not a two-class system; Marx exposed how capitalism works: the production/work is socialized, but the profits remain in the hands of a ruling class. Why would Marx promote this kind of system?
And another thing…most of the people that post on this forum are white. We don’t hate ourselves. It’s YOU that we can’t stand! Racial whining makes whites–and any other race–look bad, but I guess that’s the way of the Proud Aryan.
on January 7th, 2010 at 12:07 pm
What exactly are “white people”? Look at the professor’s description of who is allowed to join his group. It is clear that there are no laws in the country preventing people fitting that description from doing anything. The fact is that people of various European ethnicities DO organize regularly, and they have festivals, clubs, and other cultural organizations. The reason why people abhor the creation of some “white” organization is because this is historically associated with white supremacy. “White” people don’t need organizations to fight for their rights when statistics clearly show that whites have longer lifespans, more money per capita, and better access to education and jobs.
Second, the idea that “non-white” nations are somehow closed to foreign immigration or that they are not condemned for racism in connection with the former is a lie, plain and simple. Korea has immigration from India and other Asian nations. South Africa had a row a few years back over their racism towards immigrants from other African countries.
On the matter of Israel and wars in the Middle East; these wars are less for the supremacy of Israel and more about American supremacy. Israel is a part of that.
As for you Jonathon, you are clearly ignorant about Marxism. The October Revolution of 1917 led to a flourishing of national cultures, in fact the creation of some nations(particularly in Central Asia). Many Turkic groups of the Russian Empire had no alphabet of their own(those few who could read or write used alphabets based on Arabic). Part of the cultural program of the Bolsheviks included the development of alphabets of those peoples who did not have writing, and subsequently the development of national literature for various minority groups of the former empire.
I have said this before and I say it again- whites are not persecuted in America. If you have hard statistical data proving otherwise than present it. If you want to know what persecution is, tell it to a woman in Afghanistan, a Dalit in India, a Kurd in Turkey, a Caucasian in Russia, a Palestinian in Israel, etc. You want to know persecution? Just a while ago in Turkey there was a young Kurdish boy who was beaten to death by a policeman for singing in Kurdish. A few months ago, an Abkhaz man was beaten to death by policemen just because he is Caucasian.
That is persecution. Persecution doesn’t mean people talk about racism and make you feel bad. Persecution isn’t when schools decide to start teaching real history instead of the old jingoistic nonsense where Native Americans and Pilgrims broke bread in harmony. Persecution doesn’t have anything to do with the popularity of hip-hop, which incidentally is driven by white demand seeing that 80% of mainstream hip-hop’s consumer base has been historically white, suburban youth.
In short, please stop whining.
on January 7th, 2010 at 12:40 pm
I don’t really see how an individual such as this achieves the position of tenured professor. As an individual in academia, I am experiencing firsthand the lengthy and challenging path to a faculty position, and it seems inevitable that someone pushing such a hateful point of view would leak it at some point.
on January 7th, 2010 at 12:52 pm
Excellent comment, Ruslan.
on January 7th, 2010 at 1:01 pm
What a bastard, despite his educational background. But remember – Long Beach, although located in Los Angeles County, is only a step away from Orange County, CA, one of the most right-wing , wacko areas in all of Southern California. Bet he has lots of friends there.
on January 7th, 2010 at 1:17 pm
hmmm… Exactly WHERE are the Native Americans supposed to go?
on January 7th, 2010 at 1:24 pm
I agree with Lise Quinn: take a moment and call or email the office of the president of CSULB. This goes beyond academic freedom, as MacDonald is advocating activities that are illegal in California—not to mention morally wrong.
For the posters on this list who think this is just “White people pursing our race interests”, oh please! If I choose to uphold cultural traditions from my English, French, or Scots Irish heritage, then that is a positive way to enjoy my ancestry. However, if I were to use that ancestry as some basis for thinking I am supreme above all others–and then acting on that–well, that would just be pyschopathic. No one should use their ancestry or culture as a tool for hate. And, if these same posters claim to be people of faith, then you KNOW it is wrong. Stop trying to justify it.
on January 7th, 2010 at 4:30 pm
I feel I’m about to be gassed by German intellectuals. After all, I discovered a Jewish person whose middle name happened to be my last name. I’m still wondering why. I wonder if our illustrious intellectual enjoys beer halls. Old MacDonald hadduh fart ee i ee i oh…? lol
on January 7th, 2010 at 4:31 pm
Fascinating. Did MacDonald get bullied by a Jewish kid when he was growing up?
on January 7th, 2010 at 4:39 pm
Dear Mr.Schwarzenegger:
Don’t you have a budget cut left for this hateful fella?
Certainly white supremacist & other hate-speech activism should be enough to revoke his tenure by moral turpitude. He certainly shouldn’t be training young minds, anyway. Get this fool out of the classroom!
on January 7th, 2010 at 5:23 pm
Ruslan Amirkhanov you’re cold blooded… I like you, thanks for that info.
I ALSO LIKE THE COMMENTS THE REST OF YOU ARE PRESENTING….
But lets stick to the facts folks, whites hire whites first, and there is a social order (who controls 90% of the wealth, and plan to keep it that way)… who keep us ALL impoverished… all meaning minorities, and other less fortunate whites.
1) ABOVE ALL, don’t forget that Long Beach has the highest percentage of people with mental problems, drug addictions, and homosexuality than any other city in the United States… yes they even have their own Gay Parade… have you ever seen it, it comes down Ocean Boulevard once a year from 2nd street all the way to the 710 Freeway… there are so many of them that, that section of road has to be closed off to regular traffic (about 5 miles). Nothing against Gays, but this is a powerful statement.
2) ALSO, the Long Beach Court System has been under federal investigation for the disproportionate number of convictions of minorities.
3) AND, the Long Beach Police Department recently made the Channel 7 News, it seems that the Long Beach Police Department is missing 20% of their weapons.
4) LET me also add, that I know personally the person who witnessed the execution style murder of a homeless black woman (who was supposedly wielding a knife) by 9 Long Beach Police Officers who opened fire on her… these officers lined up in a row, and all 9 opened fire at the same time… killing the homeless woman.
My friend who witnessed this was so terrified because he witnessed it… that he has left the State of California.
My point is this, where RUSIAN (and several others of you) point out some good points, we must remain diligent in our efforts at keeping those out of office and key influential positions (both black and white) who would use they’re position and power for self gain… in spite of the hardships their actions might cause to the majority of the population… meaning… the 90% who DON’T control that 90% of the wealth. And especially protect our youth who might (will) be influenced by corrupt individuals.
Keep bullies in check!
on January 7th, 2010 at 5:43 pm
Homosexuality is not an addiction or mental illness. Lumping it in with those two things is disingenuous. And what’s wrong with having a gay pride parade?
on January 7th, 2010 at 10:34 pm
If White people do well I must ask why shouldn’t we? We created the wealth and it is ours. If you are non White and you live here then you are sharing OUR inheritance. You are in OUR country. Then you have the nerve the tell us that we don’t treat you fairly.
I have a suggestion. If you don’t like the way things are why don’t you leave the same way you came? Just because we were able to make our nation into a place where everyone wants to come for a better life does not mean we owe it to you because we don’t owe you anything.
It is not up to non Whites to define how White people should feel about what is happening to our own country. We are quite capable of knowing how we feel and do not appreciate being what to think.
What I see here is a lot of HATE heaped upon Professor MacDonald. People who live in glass houses should not throw stones. Professor MacDonald has RIGHTS and those rights include opposition to Whites becoming a minority in our own nation. You are very quick to tell us what your rights are but you forget where those rights came from and that WE are most certainly entitled to them.
Which is something I expect non Whites to show respect for and to acknowledge the White pov in all of this.
It is White people who are sacrificing everything. You are displacing us in housing, jobs, health care, education and everything else, which WE pay for. We gain NOTHING by you’re being here. YOU came here for what you could take from us which you euphemistically call “opportunity”.
You know nothing of our way of life nor do you care for our laws or Constitution except to the extent that you can use them to further your own interests and continually demand you’re RIGHTS.
You do not care that you are destroying OUR culture with your presence. What rights do we have? Do we not have the right to preserve Western Civilization which we have created? Does Western Civilization have a right to exist?
Will Muslims not demand that we convert to Islam when they have the numbers and the power to do so? This is already happening in Europe. Our nation is torn apart by diversity because you will never assimilate. Our nation is supposed to be One From Many, which is what our Fore Fathers intended for us. You care nothing for that tho do you? You care only about what is good for YOU.
CNN’s Christian Amapour did a series about the three great religions and a Muslim in Britain stated “Its not a matter of IF but WHEN we make Britain Islamic.”
This is unfair to White civilization and Christianity and your insensitivity to our condition does not endear you to us.
We have every right to assert our White Supremacy when it is Western Nations which everybody wishes to immigrate to. We have a right to credit for what our people have accomplished.
You shouldn’t claim you are equals and then immediately demand political correctness and affirmative action in order to function in our nations and compete. Why should we be displaced so you can have our jobs?
The world today is based upon the accomplishments, inventions, creativity, ingenuity, and labor of the White Man. You wish to bring us down because you resent this.
White people NEVER go around using the term White Supremacy. YOU are the ones obsessed with that term. You use it when White people seek our own interests as though you think we OWE YOU the fruits of our labor.
If you think of Whites as supreme that is not our fault, you think that way because of what we have accomplished.
It is our right to defend what is ours and not have it destroyed or taken from us.
The fact is that Jews got the 1965 Immigration Act passed so they could destroy Christianity and Western Civilization and take us to a One World Order.
http://www.vdare.com/schlei/080503_video_480.htm
Also read the words of another Jew who speaks of Jews displacing the ruling class Whites and taking their places.
http://www.nhinet.org/ryn18-1.htm
Why is it ok for Jews and other minorities to seek to displace us but we’re racist and White Supremacists if we don’t voluntarily hand everything over to those who never earned it and who don’t deserve it and who never created it. YOU are very aware of race. Why shouldn’t we be?
Why do you wish to live among people you think of as racists? If we are so horrible why would you wish to come here? Why would you want to be a part of anything we’ve done?
You want what we have and you want rid of us. I am glad that my race is not like that. I would be ashamed. I suspect that you are ashamed and that makes you hate us and wish to destroy us. You are playing a dangerous game. You may wake one day and find that you have a tiger by the tail.
on January 8th, 2010 at 9:06 am
Speaking of bullies, I just realized that “fart” has a hidden meaning. It “obviously” means farm “broken” to art! This of course must indicate that the word fart symbolizes the Wagnerian Nazi invasion of the Soviet Ukraine. How old is the word “fart”? Maybe Nostradamus did it! I am yours truly, Master of Sophistry striking again, he he he.
on January 8th, 2010 at 9:29 am
Don’t forget that the word farm “obviously” means fart broken to arm. This must, of course, be a reference to the UPA, the Ukrainian resistance organization. MOS
on January 8th, 2010 at 1:39 pm
There is no “white” race in our genes. White people (Euro-descendants) invented the term “white” to pursue racism, slavery, and colonialism. Whiteness is not a culture or a race. Whiteness is an ideology of superiority. It is not a skin color — it is a principle of domination that we have mistakenly equated with “success”. Whites excluded people in the U.S. based on their “race” and thereby enshrined in law exclusionary measures that would allow them to keep all of the spoils of U.S. capitalism for their privileged use. But not all white people are rich, you ask. In fact, if we look at most of the white supremacist groups, they consist of poor white people who believe they should still be able to exclude people based on race or culture, because these poor whites believe they have NO OTHER recourse to success other than to continue the racism that claims that they deserve to be on top of everyone else. It’s a comforting lie that effectively distracts from the real reason for their condition, which is that the rich folks who run government and business have them as their wage slaves — it’s not immigrants or people of color that keep whites poor. WAKE UP!
on January 8th, 2010 at 5:47 pm
Thanks for the Marxist lecture, “anti-racist”. We appreciate you telling us what you think reality is, in dialectic terms.
Anti-racists comments reflect standard Marxist thought. This is how they close the loop on the subversion. Convince whites that they are only an abstract mindset and not a culture or ethnic group – so that they hopefully accept the loss of their lives and freedom and begin to view themselves as just part of a big homogenous mass of peasants laboring on the collective.
Remember, when you hear stuff like this – it’s designed to make you surrender your rights and your freedoms. Just ask any immigrant from the old Iron Curtain countries. They recognize this stuff right away.
on January 8th, 2010 at 6:04 pm
COMMENT TO LIESL;
Any sexual act that is “counter-productive” towards pro-creation is “self-destructive” in nature, therefore making it an “irrational act”, indicating a possible psychological imbalance, though be it physical, or chemical… i.e. homicidal, suicidal, anti-social, anti-productive, destructive, anger, rage, hatred, selfishness, phobia.
No matter what triggers it, there is an obvious lack of ability to control it, therefore making it a Psychological Disorder.
on January 9th, 2010 at 12:52 am
Dear July,
Your ancestors came to America and took the land from the Native Americans. You need to drop your hypocrisy and grow some courage – because it is your FEAR of Jews and “non-whites” that is the source of your hatred.
Sincerely,
JAY
on January 9th, 2010 at 3:26 am
The fear for those who think that Whites organizing politically on a racial basis is fearful should be the point at which a critical mass of Whites no longer care if they are accused of “racism”. Scary stuff indeed. But just what would tend to produce such a situation? And if what is being done now, in the main, tends to produce that effect, why would one want to persist in it?
on January 9th, 2010 at 10:10 am
Macdonald was not bullied as a kid by some Jew. He was actually a supporter of the culture revolution and he participated in revolutionatry activities. He dedected that many of the leaders of the leftist movements in America where Jews. Fair enough.
But then he started noticing that these same leftist activist did not share that vision when it came to ISRAEL. Over there, they wanted a very ethno-centric state that was at odds with almost everything Jewish activists in America called for.
It is this hypocrisy that led him to investigate Jewish activism and then investigate Jewish history where he dedcted a pattern. He then realized that what happened in Spain and Russia and Germany was slowly begining to happen in America. There is a pattern here that goes back to hundreds of years, all producing the same result.
He also noticed that Jewish activist are located in sensitive areas of American society and promote ideologies that are at odds with what most of these activist want for Israel or the Jewish community and that Jews represented a hostile elite that were always outsiders to the host nations they seyttled it. And that led to anti-Jewish sentiments among the host nations.
So really Macdonald has issues about Jewish honesty.
The Arabs actually operate in the same way in a sense but are not that hyper about it and are not hiding it as much. They want secularism and freedom when they are a minority. But don’t want a secular or free society when they are a majority, especally if it means equality with non Muslims.
Another thing Macdonald also noticed is that many of these Jewish intellectuals hide their Jewishness and use non Jews to promote some of their intellectual arguments.
The SPLC itself is a perfect example of all of this.
Now, I personally have no issues with Leftis ideologies, it has contributed many good to society. But I do realize that many Jewish activist do not want those same ideologies implimented on Jewish societies.
Whats the immigration policy of Israel like? Huh?
What role does Judaism play in Israeli society and laws? Huh?
And yet we have Jewish activist running around talking about Judeo-Christian heritage and shared values and so forth. How many Rabbis in Israel see Israel as Judeo-Christian? How many Israelis want open immigration and a multi-ethnic society? Huh? How many of Israel’s laws would be labelled unconstitutional? How would a White version of Israel’s foreign minister Liebermann be accepted in Western societies? What would the SPLC label someone like Liebermann if he was White? Huh?
The mask is falling.
I mean its just so hypocritical.
on January 9th, 2010 at 1:20 pm
COMMENT: To July;
First of all it’s not “your country” it’s everybody’s country that gains citizenship here.
Secondly, what about all of the land and property that was swindled and/or outright TAKEN from those who rightfully owned it legally. At one point African Americans owned more land in this country than any other ethnic group… do you REALLY thing that they ALL just mismanaged it away?
Your people have a history of doing this kind of thing to people.
Don’t you see all of these people being asked to step down from key positions in large corporations?
You don’t really think they’re stepping down because they have suddenly grown tired of those positions do you… no, in court it’s called a “plea-bargain”. In short, it’s that or face possible prosecution. What they’re saying to those people is; you did a lot of good, but you also did a lot of harm, so we’re letting you go. You’re a key player in a large corporation, that corporation is valuable to the U.S. and it’s citizens, we do not want to tarnish those corporations images or integrity just because one or two idiots have lost there way. So we’ll let public record show that they left on their own accord… the truth though is – THEY JUST GOT FIRED!
It’s like the guy who commits involuntary manslaughter… the courts may let him or her go… but if you check the record, that person is also usually asked TO LEAVE THE STATE.
CHECK IT…
A Very Humorous And Revealing Story is told about a group of white people who were fed up with African Americans, so they joined together and wished themselves away. They passed through a deep dark tunnel and emerged in an America without black people. At first, these people breathed a sigh of relief. At last, they said, no more crime, drugs, violence, and welfare. All of the blacks have gone! Then suddenly, reality set in.
1. There are very few crops that have flourished because! The nation was built on a slave-supported system.
2. There are no cities with tall skyscrapers because Alexander Miles, a black man, invented safety features for elevators that, and without which, many would no doubt perish.
3. There are few if any cars because Richard Spikes, a black man, improved and advanced the automatic gearshift, he also invented automatic directional lights for automobiles. Joseph Gambol, also black, invented the Super Charge System for Internal Combustion Engines, and Garrett A. Morgan, a black man, invented the automatic traffic signal.
4. Furthermore, one could not use the rapid transit system because its procurer was the electric trolley, which was invented by another black man, Elbert R. Robinson.
5. Even if there were streets on which cars and a rapid transit system could operate, they were cluttered with paper because an African American, Charles Brooks, invented the street sweeper.
6. There were few if any newspapers, magazines, and books because John Love invented the pencil sharpener, William Purvis improved fountain pens, and Lee Burridge improved Type Writing Machines also W. A. Love advanced the Printing Press. They were all, you guessed it, Black.
7. Even if Americans could write their letters, articles and books, they would not have been transported by mail because William Barry invented the Postmarking and Canceling Machine, William Purvis invented the Self-Inking Hand Stamp, and Philip Downing invented an effective Letter Drop.
8. The lawns were brown and wilted because Joseph Smith invented the Lawn Sprinkler and John Albert Burr the improved the “rotary blade” Lawn Mower.
9. When they entered their homes, they found them to be poorly ventilated and poorly heated. You see, Frederick Jones invented the portable Air Conditioner, and Alice Parker the Heating Furnace. Their homes were also dim, but of course, Lewis H. Latimer invented a method of making Carbon Filaments for electric Lamps, and Granville T. Woods invented the Automatic safety Cut-Out for electric circuits.
10. Their homes were also dirty because Thomas W. Stewart invented the self-wringing Mop, and Lloyd P. Ray the long handled Dust Pan.
11. Their children met them at the door-barefooted, and unkempt. But, if they would have had Jan Ernst Matzeliger who invented the Shoe Lasting Machine, and Walter Sammons who invented the heated Comb, along with Sarah Boone who invented the Sleeved Ironing Board, and George T. Sampson who invented the Clothes Dryer… they would not have suffered as much despair.
12. Finally, they were resigned to at least have dinner amidst all of this turmoil. But here again, the food had spoiled because another Black Man, John Standard, invented the refrigerator.
What would this world be like without the contributions of African-Americans? These are only a few of the achievements brought to the world by African Americans. This doesn’t even begin to highlight the contributions of African Americans to mankind in the fields of science, agriculture, mathematics, astronomy, and others.
The PASADENA / SAN GABRIEL VALLEY JOURNAL – VOL. XVI, No. 6 – (February 10, 2005)
Alternatively, go to: http:/inventors.about.com/od/blackinventors/a/black_historyR/htm (Click on: Black History Month – Black Inventors)
NOTE: In addition, did you know that it was the Republicans who freed the “Slaves”? It was Republicans, not Democrats, who freed slaves… and, that blacks who were slaves of Democrats followed suite of their slave masters for whatever reasons and actually voted to keep slavery.
NOTE TOO: That the Ku Klux Klan was not formed to kill blacks… recently discovered evidence exposes the fact that the Ku-Klux-Klan formed to kill “Republicans”… they lynched and murdered over 4300 people (all Republicans), and of that 4300 lynched and murdered, 1300 where White. Documents printed by the Klan complete with names, addresses, and photographs of each person targeted and killed has recently been uncovered.
on January 9th, 2010 at 1:27 pm
More on the Homosexual thing…
Print Media, Film, and Advertising have long since made it fashionable for two women to kiss… thus making it an acceptable form of behavior in the eyes of our youth… which later leads to adapting this form of behavior as ACCEPTABLE SOCIAL BEHAVIOR… it then become a part of the culture.
What the hell are we doing? Take responsibility for what you do and say… it may very well turn around and bite you in the ass… Literally.
WHAT WAS THAT ROMAN SOCIETY THAT VANISHED BECAUSE EVERYONE WAS GAY???
DO YOU WARE YOUR HAT BACKWARDS???
on January 9th, 2010 at 1:48 pm
Clark: If a sexual act that is counter productive to conception is wrong, then I assume women and men who cannot have children would be considered aberrant if they continue to have sex. Or, anyone engaging in oral sex, or sex while using contraception. That would be some serious boring living you’ve got going on there.
As for the control issue, I find it said that you think people cannot control their sexual urges. That usually only applies to people who molest children and animals, not consenting, rational adults.
on January 9th, 2010 at 2:57 pm
Actually, the Romans effectively “vanished” because they changed their way of life from conquering to conversion. Conversion to what? Christianity. They had been a warrior society, conquering and adapting as they went, and that worked well for them. Once they changed that, their system could no longer be supported.
on January 10th, 2010 at 5:58 am
For people like July, Mr. McDonald and others that believe in race purity. I have a surprise for you. Since the time of recorded history there has been movement of people around the world. From invasions like Alexander the Great, The Roman Legions, Mongals and other large and small movements of people there is a very good chance that there is no such thing as a pure race, SORRY. I would bet that if someone was to research far enough back into the family tree of July, Mr. Mcdonald and others I think that we would find that their pure white blood is not quite so pure. Since there is no indication that there has been a large invasion from outer space, in the last 50,000 some odd years man has been on this planet, it is safe to say that we are all brothers and sisters of the same family. This may be a hard pill for the race haters to swallow, but the fact is we are all family. The sooner we accept that and learn to live and get along with each other the better our lives will be. The only other conclusion that I can come up with is that if you don’t want to be part of this family, then when it becomes possible catch a ride on a shuttle to another planet where you might be able to create a pure race. Until then welcome to the family on planet EARTH! One final thought, and that is that our diversity is what has made this country great. To lose that diversity would mean in time that this country would lose it greatness. It is called inbreeding. Hate is an emotion that destroy’s everyone. Love is an emotion that has shown that it builds strength.
on January 10th, 2010 at 12:34 pm
MacDonald was keeping a ” low profile” until he was granted tenure. Since tenure, he has become the full blood n guts racist.
Johnson was involved with the National Alliance, giving $100 a month for his dues. He met Pierce, but Pierce wasn’t all that impressed with Him. Johnson went on to join Strom’s splinter group National Vanguard, again Johnson was handing over a $100 a month for dues.
William ( Bill ) Johnson is the ultimate racist attention seeker, now with the help of the ultimate anti semite MacDonald, they both hope to extend their 15 minutes of racist “fame”.
on January 10th, 2010 at 9:36 pm
HOLLIS… you’re good.
I have met tons of white guys who out of no-ware call me Brother.
People like you do indeed understand something that most of the world’s population doesn’t.
In my opinion… Religion… is the culprit here. Religion in itself is a form of prejudice. Religion makes it OK… for you to think that you are separate from others.
But it’s wrong… everything is all Protons and Neutrons. And the energy or force that holds it all together making it possible for the transference of what we call “thought” is the same energy everywhere in the Universe at the same time.
Yes… I have a little Zinc in me too.
on January 10th, 2010 at 9:50 pm
LIESL: There’s nothing wrong with you getting your grove on… but don’t forget your responsibility to humanity.
KEEP HOPE ALIVE.
DON’T DISTRY THE EARTH.
DON’T FORGET THAT THIS PLANET WILL SOON DRIFT INTO THE SUN.
LET’S MOVE FORWARD TOGETHER, AND EXPLORE THE UNIVERSE… TIME IS RUNNING OUT… for the children… they are YOU.
on January 11th, 2010 at 4:33 am
Jonathan if you believe that Marxists made up this idea that the white race is a myth, then by all means go travel to Europe, and explain to everyone you see how you are “brothers” or whatever because you are both white. They will promptly laugh at you- that is the ones that speak English. For a real adventure, go to Zagreb and explain to the hardcore rightists why they should embrace the Serbs because they are both “white” peoples. This way you should only need to buy a one-way ticket there.
on January 11th, 2010 at 11:39 am
Clark,
You’re embarassing yourself.
First of all, the fact that every major, peer-reviewed psychological and medical organization in America (and Canada, and Europe, and so on) has released statements to the effect that homosexuality and bisexuality are well within the natural and healthy spectrum of human sexual behaviour speaks to the contrary of the ‘mental illness’ approach.
Second, as Liesl very aptly points out, the vast majority of sexual interaction between heterosexual pairings does not result in reproduction. That does not make it counterproductive, it simply means it does not produce a child. Liesl also correctly points out that the vast majority of non-heterosexual people are perfectly capible of controlling their sexual urges, the difference exists only in whom they feel sexual and emotional attraction toward.
Third, sexual activity between members of the same sex has been observed in an increasingly large number of animal species, including among popular and beloved animals such as dolphins, swans, lions, and various primates. It is difficult (but, sadly, probably not impossible) to imagine that we have somehow culturally perverted animals that we observe behaving this way in the wild.
As for the Roman civilization collapsing because they were homosexual, would this be the same Roman civilization that had converted to Christianity and made homosexuality punishable by death more than a hundred years before collapsing?
Honestly, I don’t even understand why people think that this is still up for debate, even a small glance at the research and history could clear up these prejudices if they were based in logic rather than bigotry.
on January 11th, 2010 at 1:53 pm
“Honestly, I don’t even understand why people think that this is still up for debate, even a small glance at the research and history could clear up these prejudices if they were based in logic rather than bigotry.”
Exactly. It’s very difficult to understand how people can be so illogical and lack self-awareness so utterly.
on January 11th, 2010 at 7:57 pm
Honestly… white folks (Brits, English, and the French) change Facts, Statistics, Laws, Rules, History… and everything else they can TO SUPPORT THEIR OWN FANTASIES.
That’s why organizations like the SPLC came about in the first place… people (even your own) are tired of all the crap “an unfortunate few” are trying to spoon feed the rest of us.
Rewriting history and distorting the facts… is why the planet is in the shape that it is in, in the first place, and now the entire planet is in jeopardy.
Stop playing, grow up… and take some RESPONSIBILITY… not just Financial Responsibility… but REAL Responsibility… before the entire WORLD rallies against you.
If what you are saying is true “R. Lavigueur, and Liesl” and you are rational enough to understand that this could possibly lead to the extinction of all life forms and we know it… it makes it even more absurd that you would try to condone it.
I’ll even venture to say, that if what you are saying IS TRUE… that digging a little deeper would probably uncover that there is a cause for these occurrences in nature… and… that man knows about it and it’s cause, but still continues to pollute our air, and our oceans.
AGAIN I STATE… this is an Illogical Act… and if you practice it… YOU ARE IRRATIONAL.
I’ll also tell you that all men (and animals) look at, and have touched another males genitals (I think all men have had at least one sexual encounter with someone of the same sex)… it’s called curiosity… but I’ll also tell you that the FIRST time you do that you know that something’s Just Not Right About That, and you stop. You realize that you are OUT OF ORDER, and you discontinue.
The ultimate High… is living on the edge (we’ve all been there)… if you make that you’re life style… you are reckless.
Reckless behavior is a psychological dysfunction… whether be it willfully or chemically induced or a change in nature… there is still something OUT OF ORDER.
If you think that modern life forms are evolving to being able to reproduce independently and solely … I think that would be nature retreating not advancing. Whether the universe is expanding or contracting is irrelevant… it is still “advancing in time” not “retreating”. I do not think we are going back to the days when the Ameba ruled the world.
This is either a chemical, or a psychological imbalance… the widespread-ness of the evidence you suggest about the other species and life forms would also suggest that the imbalance is chemical… understanding this and you still condone or practice this further suggest that the practitioners who engage have gone beyond the ability to willfully disengage, and that our work should focus even more strongly on the cause of this disillusionment occurring in nature and the inability of the species not being able to discern the difference.
Psychological in the advanced, and chemical is the more primitive.
Either way… ALL EVOLUTION… begins psychologically.
I think, so therefore I am, and I will continue to create, so long as the elements are available to me in the universe.
Maybe man has gone too far… inducing change where it is not warranted.
Don’t destroy the Earth… preserve life.
P.S. Lavigueur; Homosexuality is not an attempt to “control and moderate reproduction”… it is an attempt TO STOP IT. It is a blatant disregard for that Responsibility… knowing this… makes it Irrational. The Rational approach would be to moderate that until we understand clearer this phenomenon and why.
Drunkard-ness is chemically induced and counterproductive to your longevity… once realizing this most Rational people STOP.
Those that do not or can not, are found to have a chemical imbalance in the brain… without which induces a psychological craving… not solely physical because going without does not induce death, and can be overcome with time… but the psychological craving… is permanent.
Pharmaceutical companies are now trying to produce a chemical that will replace that chemically deficiency in that area of the brain (estimates are that this deficiency occurs in about 10% of the population)… until a medical solution is reached, that 10% of the population having this deficiency must rely on their WILL… if they don’t want to die.
Your argument will be that homosexuality never killed anyone… but that is because you are short sighted and have not yet learned to resolve what facts and statistics really mean.
That’s the only problem with collage, it does not give purples the ability to Think for themselves… but solely relay on what they are told.
In shot it breads a society of shortsighted statistic filled brains… brains lacking the ability to Reason… for themselves.
Ever wonder why most who START businesses are not college graduates… maybe they see something the rest of us don’t.
on January 12th, 2010 at 9:09 am
“ALL EVOLUTION begins psychologically”????????
Where did you get that tripe??? That’s where your problem is Clark – you haven’t a CLUE about Science.
Liesl & Lavigeur are correct – and anyone who makes an honest effort at truly open-minded research will come to the conclusion that Sexual Orientation is determined by the time one is born.
. . . and your innuendo that “homosexuality kills” is absolutely (in a word) absurd . . . homosexuality doesn’t kill any more than heterosexuality kills.
on January 12th, 2010 at 11:30 am
“I’ll also tell you that all men (and animals) look at, and have touched another males genitals (I think all men have had at least one sexual encounter with someone of the same sex)… it’s called curiosity…”
There’s the rub, so to speak. I wondered if the answer to your tripe was as simple as self hatred. Acceptance of what you are is the first step toward understanding and happiness, Clark. There’s no way you’ll be a truly functional person until you accept your sexual orientation as valid and good.
on January 12th, 2010 at 1:19 pm
Clark,
Homosexuality cannot lead to the extinction of life forms, as should be evident by the fact that its existance in every mammal species where we have looked closely at sexual behaviour clearly demonstrates. Your comments are not only extremely offensive to anyone, like myself, who happen to be gay, they are also quite illogical.
I was not talking about animals that once or twice ‘experiment’ with same-sex sexual behaviour, I was referred to animals that engage in this behaviour over long periods of time with the same partner(s). I do not feel attraction to other men ‘because it gives me a greater high’ than my attraction to women. I simply do not feel attraction toward women anymore than you feel attraction toward people of the same gender. I have friends who are bisexual, they experience attraction (not always to the same level) toward both. All three orientations have been demonstrated to exist within humans, they are not changable behaviours.
As for your understanding of evolution, I don’t know where you got your information. Evolution in most species opperates biologically, with physiological and behavioural changes accumulating over many generations. Basically, individuals in a species that succeed in reproducing pass on their traits to the next generation, and those individuals that do not breed do not pass on whatever quirks they might have. Over time, the traits that are most useful for whatever circumstances the species finds itself in come to dominate. There is no direction here, just generational selection over time. By definition, someone who does not have sex with members of the opposite sex will not pass on their DNA and thus cannot lead to extinction of the species.
In humans and other animals evolution has a cultural element; which can change who passes on their DNA based on cultural trends of sexual selection. There is also cultural evolution which is adaptation to changes in the environment through technologies and whatnot. Again, since homosexual behaviour does not lead to DNA being passed to children, it isn’t able to derail our species.
One advantage of a college education, it encourages you to actually research a topic before making claims about it; such as your claims that prove that:
A: You don’t understand how evolution works. Evolution does not begin at the psychological level, it works at a genetic level based on reproduction. Homosexuality cannot harm it because exclusively homosexual behaviour does not pass on DNA. I promise you, I do not mean to suggest that homosexuality is a means of population control; it doesn’t have a specific purpose, it simply exists; one of the many quirks of evolution and life. It hasn’t, however, been demonstrated to threaten anyone.
B: You don’t understand the difference between homosexual behaviour and homosexuality (A British study suggested 13% of men engaged in same-sex sexual behaviour vs. 6% who considered themselves bisexual or gay). This difference is very important, because it separates people like me, who are actually homosexual and have been our entire lives, from people like you, who might have tried such acts once but have no actual desire beyond curiosity to partake in them. I experimented with women, but my body responded much as your description of a curious heterosexual trying gay sex. This might be difficult for you to understand, but its really quite simple.
C: You don’t understand what causes homosexuality and bisexuality. Don’t feel too bad though, neither do sexuality researchers, psychologists, or zoologists. What they do have is a growing body of evidence suggesting that it comes from hormonal and genetic factors in association with environmental factors, and there is more or less a universal rejection among peer-reviewed research that there is nothing unnatural or unhealthy about it and it is more or less set at birth.
Lots of studies have been done on differences in brains of gay men (less studies on lesbians), I’ve come across nothing suggesting a chemical deficiency is to blame. All major health organizations in Canada and the USA universally advise against attempts to change orientation, all efforts so far cause far more harm than good.
PS: I was taught a grand total of nothing about homosexuality in college, save for choosing to write papers on the topics of homophobia and writing my thesis on the experiences of non-heterosexual students in high schools. Since I am gay, I had my own reasons for following that line of questioning. Everything I know about the topic, I learned through my own research, I did not simply hear it stated and decide to blindly follow it.
PPS: A note on my use of statistics, scientific studes, and major psychological and medical associations. Peer-review is the accepted scientific method because it tries to prevent opinion from masquerading as fact. Studies need to be proven to be conducted properly, be unbiased, and be repeatable in order to be considered valid under this model. Peer-reviewed literature almost universally speaks against the viewpoints you raise here, as does the less scientific but not insignificant experiences of millions of non-heterosexual people around the world.
Most of this research can easily be found free online, and I ask you this. Is it more logical to believe that these peer-reviewed studies and the experiences of actual gay and bisexual people are reliable; or should we assume the personal beliefs or individuals who base their understanding of homosexuality off religious texts, their own personal feelings as heterosexuals, and what their traditions tell them are more reliable.
I choose to think for myself and trust the group that goes beyond simple prejudice and gives solid evidence of its position. For the life of me I can’t understand how that makes me a blind follower.
on January 12th, 2010 at 2:28 pm
That’s deeper than you are JAY.
Yours is a typical student response.
on January 12th, 2010 at 4:07 pm
R Lavigueur,
Thank you for writing such an eloquent, intelligent and logical response. You succinctly stated some key concepts that, I think, should be obvious to everyone. I’m glad to have you on my “side” of things.
on January 12th, 2010 at 6:09 pm
Wow, Clark – thanks for your expert analysis . . . unfortunately, you’re an expert in OUTDATED THINKING.
I’d post many many links showing how wrong & empty-headed your arguments are, but Liesl & Lavigeur beat me to it.
Clark – your posts are typical Right Wing responses.
I mention Beck & Fox News because that is one of the hate-spewing outlets that July gets her “news”, views & rhetoric.
on January 13th, 2010 at 12:52 am
Hollis,
You seem to think thats its issue about racial purity. This is not a German socialism. And Macdonald himself said that German National Socialism was obsessed with this issue as they were a reactionary movement who took these cues from Judaic activism in German society. Judaism as we know is obsessed with racial purity.
Macdonald is more concerned about the future threat that Whites might find themselves when they are surrounded by a majority of ethnic groups with historic grudges against Whites that he believes would not go away. Especially when there is a hostile elite(mostly Jews to him) who have decision making power. Hence his article on Stalin’s willing executioners where he talked about how Jewish Bolsheviks were more than glad to do some of the killings for the Communist in Russia in part due to their historic hostility towards Christianity and European identity.
So his motivation is not purely racial as much as it is an expectation of what a White minority society in America would be like with a Jewish elite.
on January 13th, 2010 at 9:29 am
This is why it is ESPECIALLY important that Human Rights & Civil Liberties be upheld . . . they protect not only “people of color” but also other people . . .
. . . this is what the “white reactionaries” can’t seem to understand – for them it’s always absolutes and “all or nothing”.
As for the rest of your post, Bigmo – you’ve exposed nothing more than the conspiracy theory-ridden mindset of “white reactionaries” . . . there is nothing to very little in your post that is backed up by historical fact.
Almost your entire post consists of the same kind of historical distortion that the Nazi’s foisted upon the German People in order to get them to participate in genocide.
on January 13th, 2010 at 2:30 pm
It’s funny Liesl… but, when a human is in a fight, and get’s knocked out, it subsequently continues to try to throw punches as it is on the way down to the canvas.
So… it is normal that you would continue to try to defend your argument.
Onward… Does anyone else have any more comments about McDonald, and the mess that Long Beach CA is in?
Currently I am a 10 year resident of Long Beach California… and I’ll tell you now… I do not go out at night in Long Beach.
I spent 16 months on the DMZ in Korea as a Door Gunner 35 years ago… if I tell you that I don’t go out at night in a particular city… you’d better listen.
It’s sad when a 55 year old person gets into an argument with a group of teenagers, and they shoot him 87 times (killing him)… isn’t it!
What we need in “all offices” are people who care about EVEYONE… not just their own.
The attitudes of a people are a direct result of the leadership in place.
Note the NEW direction that the U.S. has headed since the last administration has left… don’t tell me that “one person” can’t influence and entire people.
Listen… everyone in North Korea believes in what that country is doing… despite the fact that everyone else on the entire planet is trying to tell them that they are wrong.
Take it from an old Sergeant… they way you lead can either inspire people or fill them with contempt… the choice is on YOU as a leader.
You will argue that it’s the way those people were brought up… but the truth is, once someone leaves home mommy and daddy’s influence fades… their real opinions, values, and attitudes are formed and shaped by they’re environment… the environment is the culture, the culture is designed by the leadership.
on January 13th, 2010 at 8:27 pm
You give strong argument R. Lavigueur…
Congratulations…
on January 14th, 2010 at 10:37 am
@Bigmo. Kevin MacDonald is not a historian and deliberately cherry picks claims to bolster his case about the Soviet Union and Communism. The fact is that Jews were never a majority in the Communist party, nor were they the only “overrepresented” group, nor were they even the most overrepresented group(Latvians actually). In 1917, the Bolshevik party had the fewest Jews of all the revolutionary parties. It makes about as much sense to highlight Jews in the Soviet Union as “Stalin’s willing executioners” as it does Ukrainians or Tatars. Oh by the way, the latter, being the largest minority in the Russian Federation, is historically Muslim. Perhaps THEY had a beef with Christianity, perhaps due to secret resentment they had toward the brutal Muscovite consquest of their Khanates in the 16th century!! Does that sound like idiotic, conspiratorial mind-reading? No different than what MacDonald does.
on January 16th, 2010 at 12:40 am
Bigmo,
You seem to not understand the point in my statement. 1. We are all brothers and sisters. We are all related! As you may know members of a family come in all shapes and sizes. When we grow up we lean to think for ourselves. Therefore, we create our individuality, that is part of what makes each of us special. 2. Every major group of people, every major religion has blood on its hands, in the name of preserving our group or in the name of GOD. You preach that it is the Jewish people. Read about the history of this world. Every arguement is about why we should kill that people or destroy that religion. The bottom line is that you agree to kill your own brothers and sisters. Because we are different in our appearance and thought, is our strength and something not to fear! Governments and religion force us to kill each other, just look at our own Civil War or the Catholic Church torchering and killing people in the 13th and 14th centuries. HATE is a powerful emotion. When you HATE a people (Jewish) and/or a religion (What ever that religions is), then is your HATE there because someone told you to HATE
on January 19th, 2010 at 7:41 pm
I just followed a thread at Occidentaldissent. It began as a discussion of Professor MacDonald’s new Anglo-Saxon political party and fairly shortly devolved into a discussion about…sex. As did this (Leftist) thread. Looks like, race aside, people are pretty much alike. As for the latter, if whites want to start looking after their “racial” interests with the same intensity that, say, Jews do, that also is just fine. It’s called freedom of association and is fundamental to a free society.
on January 20th, 2010 at 3:34 pm
Mr. “seadragonconquerer”
Your last comment is precisely the problem.
The problems is… what happens when one group begins to dominate “in any particular area” but let’s use “economically” as the example.
And, just for the sake of this argument… lets use Hispanics…
It’s a well-known fact that Hispanics put their own first…
Here in Southern California during the last 7 or 8 years over 5 million Hispanics have migrated across the U.S. border (a lot illegally, most gaining citizenship quickly as they marry someone who is already a citizen here). That’s fine, and I congratulate them on finding a way to escaped the extreme poverty and oppressive conditions that they had been forced to live with… but when you adopt the idealism that it is you and only you FIRST… as you become the majority (in any given area) you start all over again the oppressive culture that you have just escaped from, only this time you oppress the other groups and cultures that you have migrated into… that’s right, the very people who helped you in the first place.
As an example… if you’re not Hispanic and you want a job in trucking or construction, it’s too bad, those two occupations are dominated in Southern California by the Hispanics and if you’re not Hispanic you can’t get in… and, as they gain more and more power, authority, and education in those two industries, they are even beginning to push the white owned construction companies “out of business”. They’re also beginning to run and dominate in the banking industry, and use their authority to grant loans and lines of credit to their own where other non-Hispanics still have to meet and qualify to the letter of the law the rigid rules and guidelines set forth buy those same lending institutions.
But I don’t blame them… whitey has been doing it that way for centuries.
It’s funny, whites here in Southern California have begun to become so angry at Mexican and the self-serving culture that they are bring into this country that they are driving their cars into groups of Mexicans they see gathered in the spots where Mexicans gather as “day laborers” running over as many of them as they can… a couple have even been killed or maimed for life.
But, the biggest rebellion and resentment that whites are exhibiting is… 1) The Sudden “closing” of the Mexican border… hay, but wait… I thought it was supposed to closed in the first place… oh I’m sorry, my bad… in order for 7 million to be able to cross over in as little as 7 years… it had to have not been closed in the first place.
Now that they are not content with just being “day labors” and “sweat shop workers” whites suddenly want to close the borders… ha ha ha ha… I’m LMAO.
Oh yes, and let me not forget to mention the statistics that the SPLC has recently released about the increases in hate group activity and recruitment. Here in California white hate group enrollment has increased 3 fold since 2006. I think there’s a Shotgun, American Flag, and a case of Survival Supplies in every other Anglo occupied home in Southern California as we speak.
Hay… what’re you scared of… discrimination doesn’t hurt… hell blacks have been living with it for over 300 years… but then again, you know what that did to blacks… and you don’t want it to happen to you… isn’t that right?
I’ll give you another example… the Irish still run Chicago.
Come on people… get with the program… the United States is quickly becoming number 3 in the world, while we continue to fight amongst ourselves.
…choose “Content and Character” over “race and gender”.
…this is no longer about money… this is about surviving as people.
Personally I’m Irish and African… I don’t see race, I never have… I see only the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly.
Oh… and the STUPID.
Don’t allow anyone, not even your own… to play the race card.
The “Joker” is not wild… he’s a fool.
on January 21st, 2010 at 7:20 pm
I am so weary of it all…the problems here (USA) have more to do with our economic unbalance. Yes, the oppressed must have representation – that is how it becomes balanced. Nearly all who have posted here have valid points. (I take exception to those using “science” to label others as something less or abhorrent. Just ignorance, which I think is what we’re trying to fight).
Thing is: No matter who you are, if you need to oppress another human being, then you are weak. There is no supremacy in that. All of these new hate groups are a symptom of this disease – and why are we allowing our media to do this? It’s sickening. People say this country was built on “white” whatever … it was a big open space, with room for more… I don’t agree with what happened to the Natives. It did, we know better now… Slavery happened…we know better now. Or we are all heretics, as the world is FLAT?
What do we do to stop this crap NOW?
on January 22nd, 2010 at 1:59 pm
Thank you “Montana Morrell”…
You hit that right on the head… the MEDIA is what keeps this crap perpetuated.
There are (2) solutions to calming down the world.
No. 1) Keep Idiots and Bullies out of key positions in Government, and Management in the private sector.
No. 2) Look at this… it’s gonna blow you away… http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com
Over 25 million people watched this in the first 3 months that it aired on the internet… it’s 6 hours long if you watch all 3 presentations.
on January 22nd, 2010 at 4:44 pm
Montana Morrell and Clark,
You both made very excellent points. Morrell’s comment that the upsurge in racism is a symptom is quite accurate. Moderates, progressives (and I don’t mean that in any specific political sense, just those who don’t adhere to old fashioned stereotypes of race, religion, sexuality and gender), and the tolerant parts of society look at these hateful people and the horrible things they say on the media and ask ‘why do people believe these things?’
Part of it is tradition or simple bigotry, but I don’t think that’s a satisfactory answer, not for every extremist viewpoint being expressed. Part of it has to do with that often ignored advantage of extremism: if there is a group of people who are evil, immoral, and inferior, than you can blame all of your problems, all of society’s problems, and all of your anger, hatred, and sometimes violence on those people. You can pretend that if those people did not exist, the world would be perfect and that you wouldn’t feel resentment toward anyone. That’s the advantage of enemies, and of black and white systems of morality. Things that relate to you can be defined as good, and the enemy of choice can be blamed for everything bad.
But as Morrell pointed out above, the real problems facing the world have their roots in economy. I’m not familiar enough with the situation in the US to make broad statements, but we can use Clark’s comment about the solidarity and exclusory communities among Hispanic immigrants as an example. As he said, illegal immigration is not done because these people want to destroy the USA, the roots are in deep economic injustices in their own country. Many of these economic problems are the results of trade agreements and policies that benefit nations like the US and Canada as well as a corporate and Mexican elite while the people suffer. In many cases, the agreements don’t even benefit the majority of people in the northern nations.
So the question remains. How do we move from a society that still largely judges people based on irrelevant or unchosen markers like race, gender, etc; and one in which those classes result in increased poverty and difficulties for whoever happens to be in the wrong category, to one in which, again to quote Clark, “Content and Character” are the measures of a person?
A major aspect has to be integration. The fact that a good deal of immigration is illegal and undocumented creates problems here, because these people cannot assimilate themselves with American culture. Indeed, American culture rejects such an association, leading many minority groups to form their own communities. This isn’t a problem restricted to immigrants, nor one restricted to America.
People tend to be less racist if they live in multiracial communities or know and work with people of different races. Ditto for homophobia and religious intolerance, while sexism presents its own unique problems. The problem is that class in America is in many ways still tied to race, and many communities are not integrated or diverse. The media can play a role in helping to make up for that, but at the moment it does not such thing, and I think that it has to go beyond that regardless. People need access to good education and to decent work in decent conditions, and communities need to reach out to each other, both as communities and as individuals.
The problems are too great to be addressed with any one solution, but my own experiences have shown me people tend to have a hard time holding irrational hatred for people they know, live and work together with everyday.
on January 31st, 2010 at 3:39 am
I sense a lot of hate right on these pages. Obviously, most of the commentary comes from interested parties, so let’s not kid ourselves. But whether you agree or disagree with MacDonald that is not the point. We should champion intellectual freedom on all American universities. No exceptions. We should reject all attempts at intellectual censorship.
Why not debate Prof. McDonald? Unmask his falsehoods. Truth will prevail. Let freedom ring. Censorship is not the answer.
on January 31st, 2010 at 11:06 am
Academic freedom only goes so far. We wouldn’t tell someone they could teach kids about puppies in a religion class and call it academic freedom. There has to be competency and some sort of standard of learning.
on February 1st, 2010 at 12:54 am
mark green said,
on January 31st, 2010 at 3:39 am
I sense a lot of hate right on these pages. Obviously, most of the commentary comes from interested parties, so let’s not kid ourselves. But whether you agree or disagree with MacDonald that is not the point. We should champion intellectual freedom on all American universities. No exceptions. We should reject all attempts at intellectual censorship.
Why not debate Prof. McDonald? Unmask his falsehoods. Truth will prevail. Let freedom ring. Censorship is not the answer.
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Maybe because the other side fears they might not win. After all Macdonald is abdicating exatly what the ADL and SPLC is abdicating for Jews. They just don’t believe Whites have a right to identify with their own ethnicity.
Thats not an easy sell in an academic environment. Macdonald wants what many jews want for Israel. An immigration policy that maintains America’s European and Christian heritage like Israel’s immigration policy is strictly designed to maintain Israel’s Jewish and Judaic character. Even the indigeneous Palestinians are not included in Israel’s immigration policy as we know. So how can groups like the SPLC talk about Macdonald?
I don’t deny many Whites have hate, but many don’t. But the issue here is do Whites in America have the right to at least demand that America maintains policies that favor its European and Christian heritage.
The answer is yes, but it must do so without violence and oppression. Something that Israel isn’t doing.
on February 1st, 2010 at 5:20 pm
Bigmo,
The problem with emulating Israel, well, actually, there are a number of problems with emulating Israel.
We’re talking about a nation that was founded after a period of extremely intense anti-semitism, for largely political reasons, and which endured numerous wars and attempts to destroy it by its neighbouring countries. We’re talking about a nation that flaunts international conventions on warfare and commited ethnic clensing in pushing the Palestinians off their lands. I don’t mean to atteck Israel by any means, but I’m not about to defend the nation’s policy decisions either.
But it is difficult to imagine America going Israel’s route for a number of reasons. First is that, unlike Jews, White Christians have never exactly formed a particularly disadvantaged or persecuted group in the United States or indeed in any part of North America or Europe. Oh certainly there are complaints about affirmative action or increasing immigration, but the former is an attempt (whether justified or not) to deal with previous oppression by said white Christians and the later hardly counts as open discrimination. There is animosity among some groups toward whites as well, but we’re not looking at something that is one-sided or nearly the amount of discrimination and hated that inspired Zionism.
Second, there’s the problem of defining what counts as White or Christian. This might seem straightforward, but in fact these definitions have changed a lot throughout history. Americans once feared losing their Christian heritage because of Catholic immigration, and as far as race is concerned the concept is difficult to define. Virey identified only 2 races, Burke 63, and of course the problem is where does one draw the line? Are the people of Turkey ‘White’? If not, does the line stop somewhere in the Balkans, and what about the situation of Hispanics? Line up everyone in the average American city and try to group them into “white” and “not-white” and it won’t take long before you find yourself running into classification issues.
Third, there is the issue of defining America as White and Christian. Whites in America make up according to recent census about 75% of the population, not counting the 62% of Hispanics that recorded their race as white. As for religion, Christians also make up about 76%, a number that has been in decline for some time. Barring questions of immigration, how is a European and Christian nation to be maintained without oppressing the non-European and non-Christian population that currently lives in the US? When we deal with immigrants themselves, of the top countries currently accounting for the million or so legal immigrants entering the US annually, only Canada would probably fit your definition of white and european, and the 20,000-26,000 Canadians don’t make up a sizable chunk. On top of that, many of us Canadians are neither Christian nor white, and many of us who are support a broad form of multiculturalism.
Those are just some of the considerations that need to be made before attempting to make that demand, since they weigh rather heavily on how likely it is to be accomplished without violence or oppression. The academic community for the most part open to any sort of free speech, but the vast majority of academics have dismissed the concepts of race that seem to be so important to how a lot of people understand their identity. Humans have biological diversity, but it is culture that determines what is to be considered relevant when deciding who fits into what box. The trend in Canada has been toward multiculturalism, in America things seem to go back and forth.
Regardless, those of us who have any experience being in any minority can’t help but shake our heads at how terrified the majority often seems to be at finding itself in a similar situation. It is… amusing to say the least to see whites (of which I am one) bemoaning that they aren’t allowed to take pride in their ethnicity, but perhaps they don’t realize that in some cases the pride and identity that minorities form is one forged in resistance and defiance to the oppression of the majority. Being white and male still remains a privilage in our culture. By all means take pride in who you are, but think carefully before painting yourself as a victim.
on February 3rd, 2010 at 12:14 pm
When you chose your own over another, and solely on that basis… is that not a form of victimization of the other who was not allowed consideration?
Has not an injustice of the others equal opportunity rights just been violated?
Isn’t Nepotism illegal in this country?
*** WOW… 62% of Hispanics recorded their race as WHITE… I wonder why they did that? ***
on February 3rd, 2010 at 7:04 pm
R Lavigueur ,
I don’t think Mcdonald claims he has the answer to all the question you raised. He said he wanted people to be able to be conscious about these issues and to debate them.
However it seems that many people do not want him to. Now there is an intense campaign to have him fired. This to me shows the insecurity of many of the multi-cultural crowd who know many Whites might think like Mcdonald but chose to supress those feelings. A least for now.
AS far as Jews are concerned to this day Jews have not been able to define a common definition of what consititutes a Jew and there is still major conflict among Jews as to who should be considered a Jew.
I think your questions are too ideological. Not everyone will agree as to who is “White”. But I think the issue here is about feelings of security and justice. Macdonald never said Whites feel persecuted but he said they feel nervous about where their ethnicity is heading. He talked about how many ethnic minorities in America have deep grudges against Whites and Whites could find themselves in trouble if they lose power.
There is a lot of truth to that although I believe its other ethnic groups who could be threatened from Whites who might turn to violence to maintain their dominance.
What these students and organization are doing right now in trying to have the professor fired will backfire big time as Whites begin to get convinced that they will be despised no matter what changes have occurred in America’s race relation. They will see clearly that even when there is a Black President, many minority organization will simply act like nothing really changed. Its the ‘permanent revolution” of Leon Trotsky, the permanent stuggle that never ends.
It will backfire big time. You watch.
on February 4th, 2010 at 7:00 pm
Bigmo,
I think many students want him fired because of his ‘research’ suggesting that Jews are genetically programmed equivilants of viruses attacking their ‘host’ civilizations. This goes well beyond suggesting that whites should be proud of their ethnicity or that we should reconsider immigration policies.
Don’t mistake me, I’m all for debate, but in taking a position like the one MacDonald takes one has to expect that the other side will have things to say. Personally, I strongly support free speech and that includes the free speech of the academia; but a lot of people on both sides of any debate involving ethnicity are going to skip past dialogue and straight to personal attacks. I think treating Jews as a disease constitutes an attack and not dialogue.
As far as his students’ response goes, there can be arguements made both ways. If they don’t want to be taught by such a person, that is their right as paying students at the university, and I don’t think distributing information about his views really violates anyone’s rights. As for trying to get him dismissed, unless there’s a media circus I doubt very strongly he’ll be fired. For most of their history universities have, at least on paper, tried to protect academics from being persecuted for their views no matter how unpopular. The privatization of universities, sadly, has many administrators worrying more about attracting money and less about high minded values like freedom of speech.
The issue is for both sides one of security and justice. Whites worry about the trends in population and the animosity that still exists among some of those who suffered at their hands, fearing eventually discrimination and potentially violence. Non-whites (and some whites for that matter) worry about the increasing anti-immigration rhetoric and fear the result will be a return to previous patterns of violence, exclusion, and a retreat away from any hope of getting past all this. Meanwhile, we already have plenty of hatred in a society that is trying to make everyone (with some exceptions) feel welcome.
My questions seem ideological because this is an ideological issue. Like it or not, race and ethnicity are touchy topics, and the definition of ‘white’ is going to be a problem. I agree that for Jews its the same way, in fact its very hard to define any group of people by a single category. Nor do I deny that many whites do share MacDonald’s concerns, but at the same time I would be quite surprised if many of the students protesting MacDonald were not themselves whites. There are an increasing number of people who don’t worry about race and an increasing number of people who are worried about it, what seems to be disappearing is the middle ground.
In this case, while I understand the concerns of the white population, I have a hard time feeling them myself despite my own whiteness. The election of Obama means a lot to the non-white population of the United States, but many of Obama’s supporters of all backgrounds are finding out that words don’t always translate to action. A lot of animosity remains partly because, despite decades of legal equality and integration, there remains a much deeper connection between race and class in the US than exists in, for example, Canada. For many minorities, it is not so much acting like nothing has really changed as much as the fact that, in their own lives, there really haven’t been that many changes for the better.
My own belief is that the ‘revolution’ won’t be a permanent one, but I don’t think we’ve reached the end of it either. If we had, whites wouldn’t need to fear their neighbours and their neighbours would not have to live with the disadvantages passed on from their parents, disadvantages made by grievances that have been stopped but in very few cases actually repaired. I do indeed worry about the backfire because I know for a fact that I would never want to see the United States or any country become a second Israel. An eye for an eye makes the world blind, and while I fully support dialogue I can’t imagine that separation will change anything for the better. Nor do I believe that MacDonald meant his charge that Jews had led the civil rights movement “in their quest to achieve the eclipse of the political and cultural hegemony of white Americans.” to open such a dialogue.
on February 8th, 2010 at 12:17 am
Before I get started… I’d like to congratulate Mr. Lavigueur on having some understanding of espionage and to what extent some use to prepare a likely candidate for that profession… yes they do begin grooming ‘Foreign Spy’s’ when they are very young. There is a little known ‘simple’ technique that (commissioned and/or adoptive parents) use to begin that process, it’s very simple… but powerfully effective. It begins by teaching a child a cute little phrase when they are infants. If questioned, the claim is that this “phrase” teaches the very young to be more observant in their daily lives. Very cute when sung with the right low tone while rocking a child to sleep. That cute little phrase is… “I spy with my little eye…”
Now..! BACK TO THE SUBJECT OF THIS BLOG… Anti-social people in authority.
Bigmo, and R. Lavigueur… you speak a lot of BIG words.
The truth is, as it has been my experience, and I’m drawing on decades of association with literally thousands of people, whom I have had the pleasure of being in close quarters with for extended periods of time… it is my opinion that most people (meaning over 90%) don’t see race… they look foremost at weather or not you speak ‘truthfully’… whether you’re right or wrong is of another issue entirely.
The real problem (issue here) still remains, should ANYONE with bias be allowed to hold key decision-making positions, positions of responsibility, and positions of influence?
Remember Stalin… Hitler… and J. Edgar Hover.
My Point…
I caution you that ANYONE who speaks with unfounded accusation, or incorporates a false belief system is deceptive in character, and irresponsible in their nature, as is demonstrated through their very act. Especially when those accusations and/or beliefs have overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
That 10% who control 90% of the wealth (business owners and their bulldogs) have kept almost all of civilization down for a couple of thousand years… how much more are you gonna take?
HOW LONG… do you think the world is gonna wait for them to see with ‘fair’ eyes?
HOW LONG… are ‘you’ gonna keep buying into their BS?
HOW LONG..?
Not long.
Check out the truth about the currency system, and how we WILL correct this most inefficient method of using currency to regulate and control how we govern our resources.
Zeitgeist Movie; NUMBER 3… http://video.google.com/videop.....3163636261
This movie first paints a dim picture… however, it does not stop there… it also introduces a SOLUTION… it is very interesting. However, you must watch the entire movie.
NO… I am not a member of this movement… real and solid ideas don’t just attract your attention… they scream at you. This one SCREAMS!
on April 19th, 2010 at 11:36 am
Any political advocacy of a groups rights/aims based on race, ethnicity, national origin, or religion by its nature is focused and directed on what is in the best interests of said group. I know of no group who actively pursues political or economic goals antithetical to their interests within the system. The NAACP/ La Reza/AIPAC all without exception, pursue aims and goals within the system that their groups best believe move or manipulate the political/economic power base to best support their goals and ideals. This lobbying on behalf of interest groups is pursued by organizations of like minded people across the political and economic spectrum.
A group representing Euro-Americans should and will,unsurprisingly, pursue goals and interests that best serve their interests in a multi-cultural society/political system. The fact that this flies in the face of our current policy of encouraging multi-culturalism and discouraging racial and cultural chauvinism is also not surprising. The somewhat hysterical reactions published here highlight the general PC reaction to any hint of cultural pride, most especially if its proferred from a European Classical perspective. All other cultural racial views are by default “good” and in the best interests of a diverse society. A Euro-Classical perspective is “bad”, its advocates unrepentent racist chauvinists who represent a continuation of an unbroken multi-century legacy of repression and abuse. It’s time we stop kneejerk labeling and recognize that the pursuit of self-interest by any group is a natural byproduct of an open competitive, society. European Americans should be able to advocate and pursue their own political/economic interests without being labeled, stereotyped and pigeonholed. No current living European American has owned slaves, participated as Conquistadors in the conquest of the New World or overseen third world plantations exploiting native labor. Nor should past actions or policies of any group be used to forever label and judge the present living generation.
As for Prof. Macdonald, academic freedom and the tenure system guarantees his right to publish and disseminate controversial viewpoints without fear of dismissal or censure. Whether or not it stands up under peer review should be the ONLY criteria upon which its judged. Not who grabs it and uses it for nefarious purposes. Evolutionary Biology and Psychology is an embryonic science that doesn’t always produce answers any of us are comfortable with, often conflict with religious or cultural “truths” and challenge long-standing beliefs as to how and why we do what we do. It often conflicts with what we would like to be true, but consistently seeks the truth based on the science of evolutionary development of cultures and societies. Has there been any peer criticism of his methodology and conclusions that have been published and is available for general review and comment?
Labeling any perspective or advocacy as a “hate” group presupposes and stereotypes that group. Preference and voluntary association should not presuppose hate or fear towards others as a primary motivator for that free association. Do members of La Reza hate Anglos? B’nai B’rith gentiles? NAACP whites? Are these groups organized for the express purpose of formulating “hate” against all others? I would submit that each group is an advocate of their cultural and/or racial interests in an open competitive society and are organized along mono-cultural or racial lines to pursue those associations and interests.
It’s time we recognize what everyone knows, race and culture matter. Multi-culturalism has not worked well in any state or nation subject to it (Yugoslavia a prime example) and any nation that pursues it soon finds itself a collection of warring sub-cultures fighting for dominance within the state, much to the detriment of the losers in that fight.
on April 19th, 2010 at 12:48 pm
The last time I checked, there are all sorts of groups that represent different cultures. There is no need for an “anglo” group when we have Irish pride or Brit pride or French pride. We have these groups because white people generally have the benefit of knowing their history. That is not the case for many African Americans due to slavery. I don’t understand how this isn’t self-evident.
on May 28th, 2010 at 5:53 pm
Liesl said, on April 19th, 2010 at 12:48 pm
“I don’t understand how this isn’t self-evident.”
It’s not self evident because it isn’t true. Wholly or in part.
on May 29th, 2010 at 12:01 pm
These leftist pseudo-academics pass themselves off as “revolutionaries” against the “white” power structure, all the while collecting their government paychecks in government run campuses, brainwashing students for government approved fake diplomas. And they rail and vilify anyone in the “uneducated redneck rabble” who dares to challenge their phony paradigms. Funny thing! All these rich powerful bankers and oil companies seem to be hamstrung in dealing with them. And the government? Never before in history has a government EMPLOYED the very people who want to “destroy” it! Curious, isn’t it?
And they LIE to the minority interest groups about their intentions with false promises and rosy dreams. Who will they give the land back to? The Mexicans? The Apaches? I thought socialists didn’t believe in private ownership! They don’t care about who owns the Southwest. “Who” depends on which protest rally the propagandist from Berkeley is lying to.
So… they really AREN’T the revolutionaries. They are the power structure, and have been for years. The revolution started 90 years ago and it’s been over with for while now. Otherwise, explain how it is that the radicals run the government universities and schools. It is the American majority that is on the outside, looking in, clamoring to restore freedom and liberty. If these people were revolutionaries, they’d be bombing the federal buildings, not Timothy McVeigh. Revolutionaries don’t DEFEND the power structure unless it is their creation.