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Movement to Boot Pacifica Forum Off Oregon Campus Gains Steam

By Sonia Scherr on January 14, 2010 - 10:34 am, Posted in Anti-Semitic

For years, students at the University of Oregon generally avoided Pacifica Forum, the formerly left-wing discussion group that has increasingly embraced right-wing extremism. Many students weren’t even aware that the group meets on campus.

That all changed last Friday, when students packed the Walnut Room, where Pacifica Forum was holding its weekly meeting, to protest the group’s presence in the Erb Memorial Union, the university’s student union. As campus security officers stood guard, the protesters — including some faculty and staff — held signs saying “Hate Speech is not Free Speech” and “Pacifica Forum = Nazi Dupes.” In all, at least 75 people, most of whom were opposed to Pacifica Forum, attended the heated, at times emotional, meeting — a far cry from the 10-12 people who usually show up at forum programs.

Pacifica Forum protest

Last week’s protest, which followed a Pacifica Forum meeting last month that one attendee likened to a Nazi rally, kicked off a student-led campaign to expel Pacifica Forum from the student union. (The Southern Poverty Law Center lists the forum as a hate group, a fact that has not made members happy.) As university officials grapple with how to address the community’s concerns, students are preparing for another protest at this Friday’s Pacifica Forum meeting. Students are mobilizing in part through a Facebook group — “UofO students and community members again the Pacifica Forum” — that has attracted more than 1,200 members since it was created last Friday.

“Since starting the Facebook group, awareness has risen exponentially,” said Devon Schlotterbeck, a University of Oregon sophomore who was inspired to launch the Facebook group after listening to hateful comments from Pacifica Forum participants last Friday. “People’s reactions are mostly of shock and of disgust and also a lot fear that this group is on our campus.”

Students are concerned that the group is allowed to meet for free in the student union — which is financed mostly by student fees — under a policy that allows retired professors, including Pacifica Forum’s founder, to book space there at no cost. “The university is subsidizing the most prolific outlet for white nationalist, white supremacist, neo-Nazi public presentations between Seattle and Sacramento,” said Michael Williams, a local resident who’s been monitoring Pacifica Forum for six years. “It’s not a question of censoring them or shutting them down; it’s a question of venue. Should they really be meeting in an academic setting for free?”

University officials are asking themselves similar questions. “There’s a very serious and direct review of policies and practices in terms of use of space [by outside groups],” said Charles Martinez, the university’s vice president for institutional equity and diversity. “I anticipate some movement on this in very short order.” The university is looking at scheduling priorities for outside groups, appropriate places for them to meet on campus, fees associated with their use of facilities, and the policy that allows retired professors to reserve campus rooms at no cost, Martinez said. However, the review will not result in a content-based test for organizations wanting to use campus facilities. “There will always be a way for outside groups to meet at what is a public university,” he said.

The protests were provoked by a Dec. 11 Pacifica Forum meeting during which longtime Pacifica Forum member Jimmy Marr lauded America’s largest neo-Nazi group, the National Socialist Movement, and invited audience members to join him in giving the Nazi salute. (At least five people did.) Last Friday, Pacifica Forum’s program lived up to the promise of its title — “Everything You Wanted to Know About Pacifica Forum But Were Afraid to Ask” — with the group’s bigotry once again on prominent display. Marr went so far as to give the straight-armed Nazi salute in front of a local rabbi as the rabbi tried to ask a question. “[Marr] did this as a regular method of interrupting speakers from the floor,” Williams said. “He would sieg heil at them.”

Also at the meeting, a University of Oregon student cried as she told Valdas Anelauskas, an anti-Semite and  frequent Pacifica Forum presenter, that he was making her feel unsafe, according to local news accounts. She was reacting to Anelauskas’ assertion during a talk last summer that Andrea Dworkin — the late feminist who associated pornography with sexual violence — was too ugly to rape. Anelauskas told the student “you’re not ugly.” (In a subsequent letter to The (Eugene, Ore.) Register-Guard, Anelauskas said he condemns rape, but also suggested that the student’s reaction was staged.)

The Eugene Anti-Hate Task Force, a group of local activists that has been monitoring Pacifica Forum for several years, is scheduled to meet later this month with University of Oregon President Richard Lariviere and other university officials to discuss how to deal with Pacifica Forum. “They seem convinced they have a serious problem and they need to do something about it,” Williams said.

  • Kate De Braose

    We will always be subjected to rule by selfish and greedy cliques unless we get up off our duffs and start fighting back. Can Americans stop demanding that their representatives lift and carry them, and start telling them what we actually want them to do right now to keep our resources in our own country?

    We spend a lot of time talking among ourselves here, but we need to communicate directly to Washington. Be your own lobbyists. There are more of us than there are of them!

  • This Girl

    I think you are all getting off the topic at hand with your lessons on history & geography here. The Pacifica Forum is making students and staff of the UO uncomfortable with their presence of “hate” toward minorities, feminists, Jewish people, etc. No one should have to go to school or work and be subject to the ignorance this group brings to campus.
    If only time machines were a factor……we could just dump them in one and send them back to 1939 Germany where their topics might be relevent :) Peace out!

  • Ruslan Amirkhanov

    You are quite the masochist there Emmett. Let’s humiliate your further:

    “Actually, I get my info on human rights and racism in Eastern Europe through Amnesty International, Radio Free Europe and Human Rights Watch. But thanks for your concerns ”

    Wow, that’s helpful.

    “And while I have not lived in Eastern Europe, I have visited several former Eastern Bloc countries including Bulgaria, Lithuania and Croatia as a tourist, and I’ve seen for myself how people live there and had a chance to interact with some of the locals. ”

    Cool story bro. I lived in the Czech Republic for half a year, traveled to Croatia, Albania, and Ukraine, and have lived in Russia for nearly four years. In addition to this I can speak Russian, am literate in Ukrainian, and quite good at Serbo-Croatian as well. So are you going to lecture me on Eastern Europe again?

    “And yet somehow, the notoriously corrupt Russian police is able to spot Chechens (as well as other peoples of Caucasus) from the general crowd with an excellent precision. Just look up various HRW reports on Russia. ”

    Caucasian peoples have a distinct look, but it is strange that you focus on them seeing as how they are basically your ancestors. Yet it would seem you are throwing your lot in with the corrupt police. Did it occur to you that the reason the police do this is for MONEY, it has nothing to do with race.

    “Actually Ruslan, I do not think of any particular country as any particular people’s “paradise”, although I do believe that in some nations it is better for some and bad for others. It sucks to be a white man in Zimbabwe and South Africa. It sucks to be a Christian if you are in Pakistan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Iraq as well as in just about every Islamic country. It sucks to be Jew in Arab countries (although almost none are left anyway). ”

    It sucks to be black in Zimbabwe and South Africa as well. Egypt has had a historical Christian church pretty much since…the dawn of Christianity, and millions of Christians(many Russians in fact) visit there every year without major incident. Under the Baathist regime, Jews and Christians were well protected. Tariq Aziz, Iraqi foreign minister, was a Christian. Hell, the Baathist movement was founded by a Christian.

    “However I do think of Russia as a paradise of different sorts. It is certainly an alcoholics’ paradise, since about half a million Russians drink themselves to death every year. It is definitely a paradise for corruption, child prostitution, AIDS and many other things. ”

    Yes, and this is a country you look on very positively for some bizarre reason. Yes! They are a nation of corruption, AIDS, and prostitution- but they are supposedly RACIST!! HOORAY!!!

    “True, but they managed to wreck and cripple Chechnya so efficiently, that as an independent “Republic of Ichkeria” it lasted only 3 years.”

    ….until they managed to buy of a Chechen leader, Kadyrov.

    “Thankfully, in their limited wisdom, the Chechen separatists carried out couple of terror attacks and attempted to invade Daghestan.”

    These were carried out by groups not affiliated with the official army. In fact, the army fought several small scale battles against Wahhabist groups. You can make the argument that they didn’t do enough(as Kadyrov said), but you can’t claim that the Republic of Ichkeria carried out an offensive in Dagestan.

    ” That prompted the Russian army to come back with a vengeance.”

    And still suffer massive casualties until they found an ally in Kadyrov.

    ““I would kill all the men I met during mopping-up operations. I didn’t feel sorry for them one bit. They deserved it,” he says. “I wouldn’t even listen to the pleas or see the tears of their women when they asked me to spare their men. I simply took them aside and killed them.”

    Wow, what brave, honorable white Christian men!!!

    “I remember a Chechen female sniper. She didn’t have any chance of making it to the authorities. We just tore her apart with two armored personnel carriers, having tied her ankles with steel cables. There was a lot of blood, but the boys needed it. After this, a lot of the boys calmed down. Justice was done, and that was the most important thing for them.”
    –Boris”

    This is an old story. Let me get this straight though- you are presenting this to DEFEND Russia’s actions?

    “There is no such thing as Chechen civilian.”
    “I hated them when I fought in Chechnya, and I hate them now. I can’t even watch TV when it shows Chechens–I feel all my muscles start to ache and I want to smash something.”
    “So there will be one Chechen less on the planet, so what? Who will cry for him?”
    –Gennady”

    Just in case anyone thought that Russian conscripts are only good at beating and physically/sexually abusing each other, or writing letters to mom about it, everyone can now see how effectively they kill civilians. Brilliant.

    “Lord almighty, just reading about it makes me glad that our American soldiers aren’t anywhere like that towards Iraqis and Afghans as the Russian soldiers are towards the Chechens. ”

    I would argue that this is for two reasons- Americans tend to kill civilians with high-powered ordnance fired from long distance. Also, American soldiers are far less psychotic because they aren’t constantly abused.

    “Ruslan, judging by the ludicrousness of the “facts” that you’re presenting, it’s obvious that you are probably getting them from Kavkaz Center, or some other Islamic/pro-Chechen propaganda sites. According to many human rights organizations, majority of civilians killed in both Chechen wars were ethnic Chechens. ”

    Oh right, I forgot you know more about Russia and its history than I because you have Google and traveled as a tourist to Bulgaria and Croatia.

    “Every nation has its own share of traitors, and thank goodness that Chechens are no exception. Russian government learned from the Cold War-era methods that the British and American intelligence forces have used, and has at last came up with a sound strategy. That whenever it is difficult to subdue and pacify a land of bandits, it is best to seek out a certain bandit from among them, who for the right price, is willing to ruthlessly kill, torture, and main his own people in order to please his overlords in Kremlin. And Mr Ramzan Kadyrov, with all due respect, has been doing a very good job at that. Since he rules Chechnya with an iron fist, and the fact he’s quite young (only 33 years old) it’s obvious that Chechnya will be blessed with his leadership for many decades to come. Sort of like Libya under Gaddafi. So would you look at that, Ruslan.”

    What you fail to realize, in your ignorance on Russia, is that Russia controls Chechnya because Kadyrov controls Chechnya, and he does what he wants. If they should do anything to make him displeased, everything falls apart there. So in a way, Kadyrov has United Russia by the balls.

    ” Over 200 years of suffering, and still nothing for the Chechens. Whether it’s massacres and expulsions by Imperial Russian Army in 19th century, whether it’s Stalin’s mass deportations of them all in 1944 to Siberia (when half of them died), or both Chechen wars (where again a huge chunk of their population perished), and now Kadyrov. No matter what happened, Chechen people were always the ultimate losers. All this suffering and bloodshed on such a tiny nation of about 1 million, and yet still no independence. No matter how much they try to rebel, they will always continue to live under Russia’s thumb. Now that just looks sad and pathetic.”

    Is this supposed to get a rise out of me? I’m not even Chechen- and I’ve been saying nearly the same thing to Chechens for several years now. But I am confused because earlier you seemed to like portraying Christians and non-Muslims as victims and defenders- yet now you seem to be admitting to oppression against Muslims when it is convenient to do so. Strange but…consider the source.

    I guess when that Avar girl shot you down it must have been the root of your Islamophobia.

    Well that was amusing but I decided I am going to pursue a new career in medicine now. See, thanks to the beginning of your message, I realized that I don’t need a university degree in medicine, any training, or experience either. I’ve got WebMD and Wikipedia, along with whatever else I can Google up. Plus I have visited many hospitals and nursing homes in my time and have spoken to nurses and doctors on numerous occasions.

  • Emmett

    Ruslan Amirkhanov said

    “It is clear to me from your last post that the information you get on Eastern Europe most likely comes from racialist forums and their websites, and that you have no real experience in Eastern Europe.”

    Actually, I get my info on human rights and racism in Eastern Europe through Amnesty International, Radio Free Europe and Human Rights Watch. But thanks for your concerns :)
    And while I have not lived in Eastern Europe, I have visited several former Eastern Bloc countries including Bulgaria, Lithuania and Croatia as a tourist, and I’ve seen for myself how people live there and had a chance to interact with some of the locals.

    “Caucasian nationalities and especially not Tatars- many of which are indistinguishable from Slavic Russians physically.”

    And yet somehow, the notoriously corrupt Russian police is able to spot Chechens (as well as other peoples of Caucasus) from the general crowd with an excellent precision. Just look up various HRW reports on Russia.

    “I assure you, that if you think Russia is some kind of “white paradise””

    Actually Ruslan, I do not think of any particular country as any particular people’s “paradise”, although I do believe that in some nations it is better for some and bad for others. It sucks to be a white man in Zimbabwe and South Africa. It sucks to be a Christian if you are in Pakistan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Iraq as well as in just about every Islamic country. It sucks to be Jew in Arab countries (although almost none are left anyway). However I do think of Russia as a paradise of different sorts. It is certainly an alcoholics’ paradise, since about half a million Russians drink themselves to death every year. It is definitely a paradise for corruption, child prostitution, AIDS and many other things.

    “The 1994-95 Chechen war was an absolute disaster and humiliation for the Russian army.”

    True, but they managed to wreck and cripple Chechnya so efficiently, that as an independent “Republic of Ichkeria” it lasted only 3 years. Thankfully, in their limited wisdom, the Chechen separatists carried out couple of terror attacks and attempted to invade Daghestan. That prompted the Russian army to come back with a vengeance. Here are just some testimonies that were published in Los Angeles Times in September 17, 2000;

    “I would kill all the men I met during mopping-up operations. I didn’t feel sorry for them one bit. They deserved it,” he says. “I wouldn’t even listen to the pleas or see the tears of their women when they asked me to spare their men. I simply took them aside and killed them.”
    “I remember a Chechen female sniper. She didn’t have any chance of making it to the authorities. We just tore her apart with two armored personnel carriers, having tied her ankles with steel cables. There was a lot of blood, but the boys needed it. After this, a lot of the boys calmed down. Justice was done, and that was the most important thing for them.”
    –Boris

    “There were cases when small kids would run to the middle of the road, right in front of a moving convoy of trucks and BTRs. And they were shot dead right on the spot by soldiers who thought the kid could be carrying a mine or a grenade. Hell knows, maybe they weren’t. But it is better to be safe than sorry.”
    “There is no such thing as Chechen civilian.”
    “I hated them when I fought in Chechnya, and I hate them now. I can’t even watch TV when it shows Chechens–I feel all my muscles start to ache and I want to smash something.”
    “So there will be one Chechen less on the planet, so what? Who will cry for him?”
    –Gennady

    Lord almighty, just reading about it makes me glad that our American soldiers aren’t anywhere like that towards Iraqis and Afghans as the Russian soldiers are towards the Chechens.

    “Conversely, Chechen residents had family in the mountains, and evacuated many of their civilians. Thus as a result of the initial fighting and bombardment, far more Russian civilians were killed than Chechen ones.”

    Ruslan, judging by the ludicrousness of the “facts” that you’re presenting, it’s obvious that you are probably getting them from Kavkaz Center, or some other Islamic/pro-Chechen propaganda sites. According to many human rights organizations, majority of civilians killed in both Chechen wars were ethnic Chechens.

    And last, but not least.
    “When the Russians finally did “beat” the Chechen Republic of Ichkeria, they did it with the help of Ahmad Kadyrov, who basically turned on Maskhadov due to a previous political disagreement. The Russians would never have any control in Chechnya today were it not for the Kadyrov family.”

    Every nation has its own share of traitors, and thank goodness that Chechens are no exception. Russian government learned from the Cold War-era methods that the British and American intelligence forces have used, and has at last came up with a sound strategy. That whenever it is difficult to subdue and pacify a land of bandits, it is best to seek out a certain bandit from among them, who for the right price, is willing to ruthlessly kill, torture, and main his own people in order to please his overlords in Kremlin. And Mr Ramzan Kadyrov, with all due respect, has been doing a very good job at that. Since he rules Chechnya with an iron fist, and the fact he’s quite young (only 33 years old) it’s obvious that Chechnya will be blessed with his leadership for many decades to come. Sort of like Libya under Gaddafi. So would you look at that, Ruslan. Over 200 years of suffering, and still nothing for the Chechens. Whether it’s massacres and expulsions by Imperial Russian Army in 19th century, whether it’s Stalin’s mass deportations of them all in 1944 to Siberia (when half of them died), or both Chechen wars (where again a huge chunk of their population perished), and now Kadyrov. No matter what happened, Chechen people were always the ultimate losers. All this suffering and bloodshed on such a tiny nation of about 1 million, and yet still no independence. No matter how much they try to rebel, they will always continue to live under Russia’s thumb. Now that just looks sad and pathetic.

  • Ruslan Amirkhanov

    Oops, almost left out a couple more fun facts. When the Russians finally did “beat” the Chechen Republic of Ichkeria, they did it with the help of Ahmad Kadyrov, who basically turned on Maskhadov due to a previous political disagreement. The Russians would never have any control in Chechnya today were it not for the Kadyrov family.

    So now that you flew off the handle and basically revealed the depth of your ignorance about Eastern Europe, I’ll trust you not to try to lecture me on this subject anymore. It just looks sad and pathetic.

  • Ruslan Amirkhanov

    Uh oh…wittle Emmet’s getting upset now…letting the guise of an intellectual slip into raw hatred. It is clear to me from your last post that the information you get on Eastern Europe most likely comes from racialist forums and their websites, and that you have no real experience in Eastern Europe. Hell, you practically admitted as much in the beginning of your post.

    First of all- what the hell makes you think that anti-gypsy violence automatically equals “pro-white”? You get nationalist Croats and Serbs or say, Hungarians and Slovaks in the same room together- and they’ll be just as violent if not more so against each other. Hell, Western Ukrainians and Eastern Ukrainians get into street fights in Kiev almost every year.

    Next, the vast majority of Russians aren’t political at all. They hate the political system and don’t think they can change it. Most of them either drink themselves stupid regularly, spend ridiculous amounts of money on flashy phones, and dream about moving abroad at all costs. If you think that Russian streets are teeming with skinheads you are terribly mistaken. Every once in a while, they attack some immigrant, but they don’t have the balls to take on those people who are really ruining the country. If they so much as attempted it their entire families would disappear.

    And while the term “blackass” does exist in Russia, it is as rare as you might hear the “n-word” in the US. They certainly do not use that term to refer to Caucasian nationalities and especially not Tatars- many of which are indistinguishable from Slavic Russians physically.

    I assure you, that if you think Russia is some kind of “white paradise”, you would be sorely disappointed in Moscow- moreso in other places. And as if the beginning of your post didn’t show enough ignorance on Russian history, you topped it off with that ridiculous comment about Chechnya in 1995. The 1994-95 Chechen war was an absolute disaster and humiliation for the Russian army. Worse still, Grozny’s large Russian population was incapable of evacuating the city before the initial attack, and the Russian government did absolutely nothing to get their citizens out of the city. Conversely, Chechen residents had family in the mountains, and evacuated many of their civilians. Thus as a result of the initial fighting and bombardment, far more Russian civilians were killed than Chechen ones.

    Oh and here’s another little factoid to upset your fantasy about “pro-white” Eastern Europe. A handful of volunteers were there in the presidential palace with Dudayev, in this case not Muslims at all. They were Western Ukrainian nationalists from UNA-UNSO; who will do anything to screw Muscovites.

  • Kate De Braose

    Emmett, your posts are exposing your fears of strangers. You are now categorizing people by the oddness of their names, possible appearance, location and your own suspicions about what political ideas might be popular in places you imagine they are living.

    Why don’t you put all that paranoia to work for you? I understand that mysteries are the most popular form of fiction and could generate a tidy nest egg for you.

  • Emmett

    Ruslan Amirkhanov said,

    “Emmett, many of those Eastern European immigrants DO come over(a great deal of them MUSLIM!! GASP!!!).”

    Yeah, the Bosnians, Albanians, and some others. I’ve heard about it.

    “Few if any of them give a damn about being “white”. The word has little value in Europe, much less in Eastern Europe.”

    Hahahaha, wanna bet? Can you please explain then the rising anti-gypsy violence throughout Hungary, Romania and former Yugoslavia? Or the fact that in Eastern Europe openly espousing racism and listening to neo nazi music is seen as more socially acceptable than here in America? I guess over 45 years of extreme left wing oppression from the communist scum does make some people more open towards extreme ideas from the other side of the spectrum. And Ruslan, judging by the sound of your name, you are obviously either a Chechen, a Tatar, a Daghestani or a member of some other Muslim ethnic group from Russia. Isn’t it true then that such people are referred to by most Russians as “blackasses,” a rather charming slur? I know about it because I used to date an Avar girl from Daghestan who’d tell me the sob stories of her and her family’s life back in Russia. Since in the eyes of most Russians (who happen to be white and Christian) you’d probably be considered a “blackass”, it makes sense why whenever SPLC condemns something or someone you quickly jump into agreement. Considering that Russians did quite an astonishing number on Chechens in 1995 and again in 2000, I can understand now why you get all defensive whenever Islam is mentioned.

  • Kate De Braose

    I do believe that rural America is the last refuge of conspiracy theorists of all kinds. So take heart, all of you who see the absurdity of their arguments. If we really care about our nation and its people, we must demand that our centers of learning be supported by our tax dollars in at least equal portions as are given to the military for the total destruction of wars.

    Knowledge is Power.

  • Ruslan Amirkhanov

    Emmett, many of those Eastern European immigrants DO come over(a great deal of them MUSLIM!! GASP!!!). Few if any of them give a damn about being “white”. The word has little value in Europe, much less in Eastern Europe.

  • Ruslan Amirkhanov

    Hey Peter, way to destroy any last hope your movement had regarding the superior intelligence of whites.

  • http://kbwilliams@pvtnetworks.net Kate De Braose

    When anyone speaks about discrimination against “white” persons, they had better prove that it is directed against that entire group of people because of their appearance alone. When hate groups pretend that the people they despise are actually discriminating against them too, (merely because they defend their own rights), they are deliberately telling lies about their original motivation, which is to destroy someone else and to take what they have. It is the same motive that all thieves have.

    Prejudice is what it is. Mostly it is an excuse to feel sorry for oneself and to act out against someone even less fortunate. It is no secret at all that racists believe that they should be given preference in hiring and every other good thing in life simply because they describe themselves as Caucasian. It is a ridiculous attitude and should be treated that way.

    What is truly galling is that hate groups often use the word “Christian” in their phony titles, which is another terrible lie about Christianity. Can anyone trust a person who lies even to his own self?

  • Thomas

    I have to agree with Kate. If there is anyone who wishes to discuss “races” they are ignorant. In my opinion I believe that the Pacifica Forum has every right to meet and discuss whatever topics they choose. However, I do not agree with the University of Oregon’s Policy that allows them to do this for free. I am a student and there are hundreds of hoops I must personally jump through if I decided to create a similar group in opposition to the forum. Fortunately, nobody has been hurt as a result of this forum but if the speech directs violent or aggressive attacks, be it physical or verbal, then the protection of free-speech is no longer valid.

  • Emmett

    As much as people disagree with what Pacifica Forum says, before kicking them off the campus they ought to look at other “ethnic” movements that exist on colleges, such as New Black Panthers, Mexica/La Raza movement and etc. Pacifica Forum is to white people is what La Raza is to Latinos. Or more specifically, the brown skinned mestizo ones. They both discuss the troubles facing their perspective races, they both believe that their people are under threat, and they both believe that it is “their” people who should be demographically dominant. And they also wish to increase the percentage and numbers of “their” perspective people any way they can. Pacifica Forum advocates banning non European immigration, and expulsion of all illegal aliens from Third World countries. They bemoan the dire demographics for the non Hispanic whites and try to come up with solutions on how to reverse the population decline of the whites. I also once heard of suggestion that for menial jobs “that Americans won’t do” U.S should bring in immigrants from the former Soviet Union/Eastern bloc countries (where economy is bad and unemployment is very severe) and let them take the place of Mexicans, Hondurans, Guatemalans and other Third World (meaning non-white) people. Likewise, La Raza advocates for immediate blanket amnesty for illegal aliens (since they know that overwhelming majority of whom are from Latin America), because if they were to gain citizenship the percentage and population of American Hispanics would skyrocket dramatically. And that’s without counting the already high birth rates of Latinos. La Raza also advocates open borders, protests apprehensions of illegal aliens and does everything it can to make it harder to enforce border patrol. Hell, more recently one of their men who’s a scientist from UC San Diego invented a GPS device that helps illegal aliens cross the border by indicating to them the location of wells, charity hospitals and such.

    If that Oregon university plans to eject Pacifica Forum, they should also look into all other ethnic based groups.
    Because for all of them it boils to a simple rule that’s been known to all humans since the Stone Age; the bigger your tribe, the more control it’ll yield over the the territoty.

  • http://kbwilliams@pvtnetworks.net Kate De Braose

    The error in reactionary thinking is in creating pejorative labels and then applying them to an entire group of people. There are no such things as different “races.” There is only one human race. Anyone who pretends otherwise is making himself look foolish and ignorant. I would go further and call it self-imposed madness.

  • http://NSM88.ORG Peter

    students who feel threatened by PF presence on campus? Please you can do better than that.. racists? I think your being racists! You are so hung up on this anti-Semitic word! How about your being unamerican there for your anti-white and so are the rest of the alleged students who feel threatened by PF presence on campus. I guess it would be ok if there were a jewish presence on campus holding meetings that ONLY jews could attend. Ahh that would be a different story huh? Sounds like a double standard to me.

  • Craig Weinerman

    Pacifica Forum (PF) is a bizarre alliance of the anti-Israel left and the anti-Semitic, neo-Nazi right. Its programs attract misogynists, racists and nativists. The question is whether the free speech rights of these misfits should be subsidized by the taxpayers of the State of Oregon in the form of free meeting space on campus. Restrictions on the time, place and manner of speech are not censorship and should be considered by the University in response to objections by students who feel threatened by PF presence on campus.

  • Peter

    I agree they should not be on school grounds having their meetings. @ the same time, you all want to censor them cause they don’t see society the way you do. White people are not allowed to forum groups that safeguard their heritage. ONLY Jews and black people and spanish people can do such things. It’s not considered hate when they want equal rights and safeguard their heritage. Why is it that when the NAACP stages protestes, no one jumps up to form an alliance towards them? You people can not choose who has the right to say this and say that and what group can be accepted by society.
    Thanks

  • Michael Williams

    Daniel–
    In the 6 1/2 years I have dealt with Pacifica Forum, there have been 2 periods where programming has been what one might expect of a group dedicated to exploring peace & war & militarism & pacifism & etc. Both periods followed extreme public reaction. And both periods contained several programs that were critical of Israel’s occupation of Palestine and supportive of the Palestinian cause, without crossing the line into antisemitism (although post-presentation Q&A often would). These were among some of the highest-quality programs during the second periods. Those programs were not criticized for antisemitism.

    As near as I can tell, the past 2 years (fall 2007 to present) have been devoid of legitimate (non-bigoted) pro-Palestinian programs or criticism of Israeli policies. The reason is that the two main presenters on those topics left Pacifica Forum in the fall of 2007 because of the proliferation of “views about ‘race-mixing,’ ‘blood consciousness,’ ‘miscegenation that tears down civilization and pollutes good races,’ and ‘the genocidal war against our own race’.”

    Those views then joined the anti-Semitic themes as the core of Pacifica Forum’s programming.

    Oh, and incidentally, that “Zionists led by Michael Williams” is a frequent ploy Pacifica Forum apologists use to avoid discussing the actual content of their programs. They find it easier to attack critics rather than the criticism.

  • http://danielhg.blogspot.com Daniel Hoffmann-Gill

    Michael:

    Thank you for the clarification of aims, most useful to me and helps me put this piece into further context.

    And glad to see with have an apologist for hate in the form of George Beres, who like many bigots, confuses the right to challenge the terrible policies of Israel with anti-Semitism.

  • george beres

    The “rightwing nonsense” described by Daniel Hoffman is misdirected toward Pacific Forum. The rightwing behavior to an extreme has been demonstrated instead by Eugene, Ore., Zionists led by Michael Williams. They have sought for three years to silence Pacifica because it has offered the truth in behalf of Palestinians to counter the behavior of Israel and the lies of American Zionists to protect that fascist nation. – George Beres, retired, University of Oregon.

  • Michael Williams

    The goal is not to “silence” them through government action of any sort, but to bring the condemnation of the community down on their heads. That is perfectly within First Amendment rights, and is known as “peer pressure.” As an over-simplified slogan it is expressed as “The answer to hate speech or more speech.” We definitely need laws and rules of conduct to establish extreme boundaries and accountability, but those are not ultimately effective in controlling bigotry. In city after city, education and community pressure and opprobrium have stopped hate in its tracks.

    The problem in Eugene is that Pacifica Forum has been subsidized by the University, operating from a sanctuary free of economic costs, academic accountability, or community responsibility. In the marketplace of ideas, Pacifica Forum is bankrupt. Let them compete on the open market.

    (I do need to put in a good word for SPLC’s legal efforts here: they have done an admirable job of holding hate organizations accountable for their own actions, as well as actions spawned by their words. Unfortunately, someone has to get hurt first. We would like to avoid that.)

  • http://danielhg.blogspot.com Daniel Hoffmann-Gill

    Nice to see people stepping up to challenge this kind of extreme right-wing nonsense. I’m a Brit and new to this website and just wondering, with the excellent free speech rights that US citizens benefit from how can these groups be silenced, if at all?