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Conspiracy Central: Beck, Birchers to Converge at Conservative Conference
The John Birch Society, whose conspiracy theories eventually became so fantastic that it faded into irrelevance, has edged back toward the mainstream – or at least the mainstream of conservative thought. It’s listed as one of 87 co-sponsors of next month’s annual Conservative Political Action Conference [CPAC] in Washington, D.C. The conference is “the year’s must-attend event for the Republican establishment,” says POLITICO.com. Speakers at the Feb. 18-20 conference include Mitt Romney, Newt Gingrich and Tim Pawlenty – all potential GOP presidential candidates in 2012.
The fanatically anticommunist John Birch Society was founded in 1958 by Robert Welch, who declared that President Dwight Eisenhower was a “dedicated, conscious agent of the Communist conspiracy.” By 1961, when John F. Kennedy was president, the U.S. government was 50 to 70 percent communist controlled, Welch claimed. The Birchers have long maintained that the United Nations aims to establish a “one-world socialist government.” Today’s conspiracy zealots call it the New World Order.
The Birch Society also opposed the civil rights movement in the 1960s, in part because of a belief that communists had infiltrated it. The organization was against fluoridation of municipal water systems, claiming it was a communist plot to poison America.
The Birchers have tempered their tone since those days. The society’s website talks now of a belief in “limited government” and “personal freedom” – catch words of many conservatives. Still, the Birch Society makes it clear that most of today’s Republicans aren’t conservative enough. “As many JBS members realize, true conservative leaders are hard to find nowadays, especially in a movement dominated by neoconservatives and RINOs [Republicans in Name Only],” a recent society press release stated. The organization will have a double booth at CPAC, “offering educational and promotional materials” and streaming live video.
The Birch Society isn’t the only far-right, conspiracy-minded group or individual invited to CPAC. Another co-sponsor is Oath Keepers, the antigovernment organization composed mostly of active-duty law enforcement and military, as well as veterans. Its members pledge to defy 10 orders, including orders to place U.S. citizens in detention camps and orders to confiscate food or property.
Another CPAC sponsor is Eagle Forum, founded by Phyllis Schlafly. Among other things, she has promoted the North American Union conspiracy theory that claims the United States will forsake its sovereignty in a merger with Canada and Mexico. She also wrote a book, A Choice, Not an Echo, that suggested a conspiracy theory in which the Republican Party was secretly controlled by elites who were dominated by members of the Bilderberger banking conference. [The annual, secretive, invitation-only Bilderberger conferences are attended largely by politicians, bankers and business moguls].
Yet another CPAC sponsor is Accuracy in Media, a far-right media watchdog that claimed Vince Foster, deputy White Counsel to Bill Clinton, was murdered and that it was covered up. Many prominent conservatives who were hardly fans of Clinton said there no evidence of murder. Foster’s death was ruled a suicide. AIM also has asserted that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has Marxist ties and that the United Nations is planning to impose a one-world government. More recently, AIM’s editor, Cliff Kincaid, promulgated the unfounded theories of the “birther movement.” The birthers claim President Obama is not a U.S. citizen and is, therefore holding office illegally.
Then there is CPAC’s keynote speaker: Fox News personality Glenn Beck. He signed a petition demanding a probe into whether the Bush administration was involved in the 9/11 attacks. He perpetuated the conspiracy theory (before finally debunking it) that the U.S. government may be building detention camps in which to place citizens in the event of national turmoil. And he suggested that Obama has deliberately implemented policies that will force young people to go to work at ACORN and Americorps.
In other words, he fits right in with many others attending the conference.
on January 27th, 2010 at 8:59 am
Someone in the B*sh Administration (cheney) had knowledge of 9/11 before it happened and allowed to happen else it never would have happened, maybe. The sad truth is that no forensic evidence was processed at the scene that could determine who did it. If it were indeed Al Qaeda, remember that under Ronnie Ray-gun, the USA funded the Muhajadin (sp?), one of whose most active members was Osama bin Laden. “Truthers” may stretch the truth to form fantastic scenarios, but it is hard to take anyone’s word for what exactly happened.
on January 27th, 2010 at 11:59 am
I copy below comments made by Birch Society founder Robert Welch to the first meeting of the JBS National Council. These comments are rarely acknowledged by the JBS to be the underlying premises upon which they operate–even today.
Furthermore, in 2002, the JBS published a new edition of Robert Welch’s so-called “private letter”, The Politician. The JBS describes this 2002 edition on the back cover as “perhaps the most devestating expose of the last century” because it “tells the bitter, but little known, truth” about our postwar history.
Among the “truths” which the JBS wants everyone to read and believe is that President Eisenhower and most of our political leaders and government officials during the past 8 decades have been traitors and conspirators.
And to bring this message into contemporary history, the back cover of the 2002 edition states:
“But most importantly The Politician exposes that ‘conspiracy of gangsters’ which even now is setting America’s foreign and domestic policy.”
JBS officials no longer subscribe to their former pretense which proposed that what Welch wrote in his “private letter” was not connected to the Birch Society. In fact, they now embrace the content of Welch’s manuscript. See, for example, the Foreword to the new 2002 edition written by the former CEO of the JBS.
Furthermore, in a 8/22/62 letter to Ezra Taft Benson in which he offered to send a copy of his manuscript to Benson, Mr. Welch wrote:
“For there are quite a number of outstanding Americans who are among our strongest and most unshakable supporters who had been made so by reading this document; and we have never really had any trouble with, or criticism from, those who have actually read the ‘letter’ themselves…”
And in the September 1963 JBS Bulletin, Mr. Welch wrote that “The Politician has now proved to be by far the most effective single help to our recruiting efforts.”
If you check my on-line report on the JBS (http://ernie1241.googlepages.com/jbs-1) which is based upon FBI files and documents you will see scanned copies of pages 266-269 of the unpublished edition which contains the statements by Welch in which he described President Eisenhower as a Communist traitor.
Incidentally, the themes, assertions, arguments, and evidence in The Politician differ not one iota from the themes, assertions, arguments and evidence used in JBS literature since its inception — so it is quite disingenuous to propose that there was ever some sort of distinction between what the JBS believes versus what Mr. Welch wrote in his so-called “private letter”.
In private remarks to the first meeting of his JBS National Council on January 9, 1960, at the Union League Club in Chicago, Welch made these observations about the gravity of our situation:
“From a careful and realistic study of the mountainous pile of evidence that is there for all to see, certain terrifying conclusions are objectively inescapable. Among them are:
(1) The Communists are winning their large victories, as they always have, through the cumulative effect of small gains;
(2) They make these gains chiefly through the conniving assistance of many of the very diplomats and officials who are supposed to be opposing them;
(3) Communist influences are now in almost complete working control of our government;
(4) And hence, the United States Government is today, as it has been for many years, the most important and powerful single force promoting the world-wide Communist advance.”
[A Confidential Report To Members Of The Council of The John Birch Society – minutes of 1/9/60 meeting held at Union League Club in Chicago IL, page 1-2; minutes signed by Robert Welch.]
Furthermore, according to the minutes of this meeting, Robert Welch stated:
“Today, gentlemen, I can assure you, without the slightest doubt in my own mind that the takeover at the top is, for all practical purposes, virtually complete. Whether you like it or not, or whether you believe it or not, our Federal Government is already, literally in the hands of the Communists.” [Ibid, page 2]
“In our two states with the largest population, New York and California …already the two present Governors are almost certainly actual Communists…Our Congress now contains a number of men like Adam Clayton Powell of New York and Charles Porter of Oregon, who are certainly actual Communists, and plenty more who are sympathetic to Communist purposes for either ideological or opportunistic reasons.” [Ibid, page 7]
[Note: the reference to Governors refers to Edmund G. Brown of California and Nelson Rockefeller of New York.]
“In the Senate, there are men like Stephen Young of Ohio, and Wayne Morse of Oregon, McNamara of Michigan, and Clifford Case of New Jersey and Hubert Humphrey of Minnesota and Estes Kefauver of Tennessee and John F. Kennedy of Massachusetts, whom it is utter folly to think of as just liberals. Every one of those men is either an actual Communist or so completely a Communist sympathizer or agent that it makes no practical difference…” [Ibid, page 8]
“Our Supreme Court, dominated by Earl Warren and Felix Frankfurter and Hugo Black, is so visibly pro-Communist that no argument is even needed…And our federal courts below that level…are in many cases just as bad.” [Ibid, page 8]
“Our State Department is loaded with Communists from top to bottom, to the extent that our roll call of Ambassadors almost sounds like a list somebody has put together to start a Communist front.” … [Ibid, page 8]
“It is estimated from many reliable sources that from 70% to 90% of the responsible personnel in the Department of Health, Education, and Welfare are Communists. Our Central Intelligence Agency under Allen Dulles is nothing more or less than an agency to promote Communism throughout the world…Almost all the other Departments are loaded with Communists and Communist sympathizers. And this generalization most specifically does include our whole Defense Department.” [Ibid, page 8]
on January 27th, 2010 at 4:17 pm
While I appreciate your work to bring information forward about the groups participating in CPAC, the reliability of your evidence is shaded by your use of such terms as “antigovernment” to describe Oath Keepers and your description “birthers claim President Obama is not a US citizen” – while SOME may say that, the real and important contention is that he is not a Natural Born citizen. There is a difference and the conflation of facts, not facts, and opinion weaken your position.
Criticize all you want but please be accurate, especially when criticizing other folks accuracy.
on January 27th, 2010 at 5:36 pm
Ah but sashland, the evidence shows he is a natural born US citizen. And the Oathkeepers most certainly are anti-government.
@Ernie. Good to see you back; your research into the JBS(on your site) was fascinating.
on January 28th, 2010 at 5:56 am
That convention sounds like a jar of Mixed Nuts…with too many Filberts.
on January 28th, 2010 at 6:00 am
Obams was born in Honolulu in 1961. That’s as natural born as it gets.
I don’t like him for voting for the Bush Bailout and keeping Gates.
But this birther stuff is ridiculous.
on January 28th, 2010 at 12:29 pm
HERE LIES THE PROBLEM: we have allowed our educational system to deteriorate to such a point that we can “except” the concept of home schooling. This concept therefore allows for the continued breeding of brain-dead creatons; i.e. Right-wing christians that believe the world is only 6000 years old, that man existed with the donisaurs and Jonh Birchites to thrive. We then end up with polititions that are ellected by these inbreed morons, which are truly distroying this country..
on January 28th, 2010 at 12:41 pm
Those Oath Keeper oafs are a bunch of hypocrites.
Three of their ten points have already been violated.
By their beloved Dubya.
But you won’t hear them complaining about Dubya.
on January 28th, 2010 at 12:48 pm
What, no Teabaggers, no Palin?
on January 28th, 2010 at 1:23 pm
As ludicrous as these claims sound, it is disturbing to me that the radical right seems to be attracting more support. It is difficult to understand the anti-intellectual bias of this group.
on January 28th, 2010 at 1:31 pm
Dear Mr. Keller I am amazed and appalled that you almost branded this group as Haters. They have done nothing wrong. If they do then you should do what you and TSPlC do best. Get after them. I don’t think you are aware of how close you have come to making yourself slanderous. Belonging to the John Birch Society does not make someone a Hater. Belonging to the Communist Part does not make one a Hater. However your inflamed rhetoric about the birthers and Concervatives in general make them seem “awful” in this written article. As I person that has personally experienced “HATE” and joined this organization to help stop hate I have to now admit you “SCARE” me. You Sir speak like a Hater. I ask you personally to wait until the Fish is Hooked before you try to REAL it in. In reflection I ask myself who is really spreading a “Conspiracy Theory.” Thank YOU.
on January 28th, 2010 at 2:24 pm
Sashland/Birchers/Beck/Birthers = double plus ungood.
on January 28th, 2010 at 3:15 pm
Eisenhower was a communist agent? Welch’s head must have exploded when Kennedy was elected. He makes the birthers seem sane by comparison.
on January 28th, 2010 at 4:08 pm
I am from the area that birthed the John Birch Society. My father had to do business with many of the most ardent members. It is important to understand that the New Religious Right Republicans are from the same areas of the country where Birch found a home. It is important to know that:
1. They never really went away. They just learned how to speak more politically correct so that they could keep their positions of authority.
2. They are Fundamentalist Christians. Their political ideas ARE held onto with religious fervor, because they are intertwined with their religious beliefs. In my neck of the woods, churches preach politics, (and now environmental and energy policy.) Many of you won’t believe me, but I recently heard a preacher say from the pulpit that not only was global warming the work of the devil, but God could change the weather anytime he wanted. Natural law is not part of the equation, although he/they do go to doctors now.
BTW, Fredrick, “accepting” homeschooling is NOT the problem. There are many of us who are not Christian fundamentalists have homeschooled our children to give them an education that the schools cannot. The schools themselves (here) are bastions of hate, prejudice and ignorance. I know this not only because of my daughters experience, but I taught as a sub nearly full time for years! Science has been stripped of any FACTS that the preacher disagrees with, history and civics are propaganda and critical thinking skills are absent. This is for the kids that actually go to school. The drop out rate in the county I live in now is nearly 50%! I think the “powers-that-be are relieved. They would have to find more $ in the budget for teachers and buildings! Not to mention the fact that they need a large uneducated people to work min. wage, but….I am going to far now.
on January 28th, 2010 at 4:23 pm
Yes, and ANOTHER “cosponsor of CPAC is GOProud, a radical gay group that spun off of Log Cabin Republicans and poses as “conservative” which is simply lunacy–they may be thrifty with public money, but the homosexual agenda is unabashedly advancing leftist ideals. All CPAC is is a big audience with groups of all sorts jostling to define what “conservative” means in 2010. That doesn’t turn any of them into “hate” groups and frankly, this site seems more about “lessons in application of the Big Lie theory” than a serious effort to counter actual hate.
on January 28th, 2010 at 5:10 pm
These groups are just the tip of the iceberg. Our entire media has been infiltrated by right wing ideology and conspiracy theorists. Beck, Hannity, Savage, Rush,Ingraham, Quinn etc reach tens of millions every day and then these same stations (90 percent of our airwaves) have local parroting hosts repeating and repeating the same talking points. This has been a very effective, powerful tool by the right and Corporations to choose the stories and frame the debate. This is why ther Fairness Doctrine scares them. Their tactics would be exposed to the American people.
on January 28th, 2010 at 7:21 pm
Yes, Lynne, and so unfortunate that ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, and CNN are stuck with only a measely 10 percent of our airwaves! And we all know how the mainstream media is sooooooo far to the right. Give me a break: you think that “their tactics” need to be “exposed” to the American people…when Beck, et. al are public broadcasts directed openly to the American people? Exactly how do you intend to “expose” what is manifestly an open, public form of communication?
on January 28th, 2010 at 11:09 pm
“#6. Chanting Slogans”
from “6 Brainwashing Techniques They’re Using On You Right Now”
http://www.cracked.com/article.....t-now.html
on January 28th, 2010 at 11:17 pm
Lynne Gillooly, in other words, if they chant the Big Lie (of Beck, Hannity, Savage, Rush,Ingraham, Quinn etc.) often enough and loud enough, and other local wannabes repeat the process, then the “Big Lie” will become the “Common Wisdom” and then they’ll tell “Well, everybody knows that BIG LIE BIG LIE BIG LIE.”
However, I think that the American people are a lot smarter (and therefore more liberal and think for themselves) than they give them credit for.
on January 29th, 2010 at 2:00 am
Communism is a dictatorial system; people who don’t
agree with government policies are harassed, jailed, and
sometimes executed. According to the Birchers, we have
been living under Communism since 1932. So why
haven’t the Birchers been jailed or executed? Their logic
is so full of holes it’s pitiful. Welch was an out and out
paranoid schizophrenic. Oh, I forgot. Mental health is
part of a Communist plot.
on January 29th, 2010 at 3:26 pm
For information on the John Birch Society I have followed them for three decades and produced a book about the far right and my military experiences that got me thinking these guys are dangerous. See website above. I will posting a rather long article on Fascism on that same website soon.
on January 29th, 2010 at 9:40 pm
I have to agree with other posters here who question whether this article is appropriate for SPLC or Hatewatch. I myself am firmly on the left and I am all for fighting the right at every opportunity, but it seems that at times right wing equals hate for the SPLC. So is the SPLC devoted to fighting the right wing or exposing hate groups? Because they are really not the same thing. There is really no evidence presented in this article that any of these groups are hate groups. All that is said about the “antigovernment” Oathkeepers is that they refuse to place Americans in detention camps. Well, good for them! And Phyllis Schafly is apparently considered a hater because she thinks the Republican party is controlled by elite bankers. Well, isn’t it? Perhaps the author has a good point that all of these people should be considered hate groups, but he does not make that point here. Even the Birchers do not come off as a hate group in this article, only as paranoid conspiracy theorists, which is hardly the same thing. Don’t get me wrong, I am staunchly opposed to all of these groups and I do think most of them are filled with and motivated largely by hate. It’s just that there is nothing in this article to show that. So, is SPLC anti-hate or anti-right? I will support you either way, but I think some clarification is needed.
on January 30th, 2010 at 3:27 pm
We won the election and now these sore losers will continue to spew your hate with lies. The way ours courts work is that you get a competent lawyer, verifiable facts and present them to a judge, if the facts are real and not half baked lies, then, and only then, you proceed to trial. they seem to be having a problem with their half baked lies. Their actions are very funny, but to sign on with them, they really need to win a case, but until then, they will continue to appear dumb, crazy or racist, or maybe all three. Keep plucking that chicken.
on January 30th, 2010 at 9:02 pm
Jonathon, Hatewatch is entirely within it’s boundaries because these media sources are fomenting hate within the ranks of their listeners. It’s got nothing to do with politics. Race hatred is not the only kind of hate out there, and unfortunately the different kinds of hate tend to go hand in hand. Those who have hate for people due to race and/or religion also tend to have an anti-government hatred, too. And all the media types mentioned have had a problem in the past with touching upon race/religion/nationality based hate as well as anti-government hate.
It’s all interconnected.
on January 31st, 2010 at 8:25 am
Some naive’ person said: “… is the SPLC devoted to fighting the right wing or exposing hate groups? Because they are really not the same thing.”
You thiink there’s no relationship between the Right and hate groups?
You don’t know anything about either of them. Nothing.
Be quiet now, the grownups are talking in here.
on January 31st, 2010 at 10:08 am
Gee Montana, did you really “win” the election? So far Obama has proved himself to be little more than Bush. Even his speech really isn’t that much better by comparison.
on February 2nd, 2010 at 2:03 pm
It was hate that fueled the Holocaust. It is hate that fuels the Ku Klux Klan. It’s hate that feeds the Right Wing Conservative Christian Coalition. They all speak the same language. The only thing changed about them is their dress. From a Hat and Cloak to a Cloak of Righteousness.
on February 2nd, 2010 at 6:26 pm
so desa what do u see as the perfect america? is it a land where whites slowly get brushed aside? an all brown and black america? wouldn’t that be ideal? hitler believed race was everything.. now the worlds tried to move to a place where race is nothing. we can see thats not working. i think we’re going to move to a place in the future that is somewhere inbetween. u people believe race is a social construct. where else in the scientific world would such different looking animals not be seperated as different species. there are many diffferent breeds of dogs. why don’t u people want to believe that all these different looking people (with differing facial features, stature, skin color, intelligence) are different breeds of the human species. go try telling some mountian person of mexico who walks along some american street that we’re all the same and see what he thinks. its fascinating how only whites are racists. u people probably don’t have any problem with the “civil rights” group La Raza (translation The Race).
on February 3rd, 2010 at 8:57 am
as per jjjohnson,
It really is incredible to me that these WS goofs don’t realize how stupid and uneducated they seem to the rest of us. If they only had the introspection of us normal Americans, they would be embarrassed to even open their mouths. Their own words are the best rebuttal.
ROFL
on February 3rd, 2010 at 1:07 pm
We have different dog breeds because man domesticated the dog and then over centuries of selective breeding basically created those breeds. In other words- fail. Dogs and horses are selectively bred with certain characteristics in mind. Humans have never been subject to this. Race is a social construct because you can’t accurately define what these races are. There was a time when “race” referred to a nation or ethnicity, not entire groups of people.
on February 5th, 2010 at 2:53 pm
Hey Snorlax I agree with you on Obama on the Bush bailout. But we wouldn’t even have gotten to that if we didn’t have Bush there bailing in before someone said, sir, you better start bailing out.
on February 5th, 2010 at 3:03 pm
jjjohnson
I realized we weren’t going to get along when you started comparing me to dogs.
However, your comment about La Raza meaning “race” is as dense as it is shallow. The word “raza” means a lot of different things in Spanish — it means “race”, but it can also mean “people”, or it can mean even “breed”, such as a kind of dog.
But I strongly advise you not to confuse that last one or I’m going to say something mean.
on February 6th, 2010 at 9:33 pm
I am about left wing as you can get having voted for Ralph Nader twice in the last two decades and Obama the last election (disappointed to say the least that’s a whole different story). I however am disturbed to read that anyone who has questions about 911 is now a “hater,” on par with the loathsome KKK and Nazis. :( Although I have no idea for certain who was behind what happened on 911 I do know the official *also conspiracy theory* seems like it has possible holes in it regarding building 7 in particular, and U.S. funding the Pakistani secret service who wired money to Mohamad Atta, all very nicely timed so the U.S. government could control contentious pipeline routes in and around Afghanistan. Remember the idea that the gulf of Tonkin incident was staged was derided as “conspiracy theory” for decades and now it is part of mainstream history.
So I am a “hater” as a sincere anti war leftist if I find some of the official story around 911 lacking credibility and open to sincere questions? I don’t think you want to go this way as all you are going to do is discourage people from becoming in involved in monitoring real hate groups like the KKK, Nazis, Aryan Nations, skinheads, etc, if they also harbor suspicions about the nature of U.S. government power which has not been a force for good in the world I assure you.
on February 7th, 2010 at 1:36 pm
The Gulf of Tonkin incident was not “staged”, it was a misinterpretation of what happened. The day before the incident, the Maddox was fired upon, but they didn’t realize that was the real thing until decades later.
on February 7th, 2010 at 3:30 pm
Conspiracy Central indeed! Not just the conference, the post seems to have collected a fine group of crazies in the comments. (I hope I’m not one of them, but I’ve been groowing a bit ‘paranoid about paranoids’ myself recently.)
Birthers, truthers’ racists, so many that ‘ranger’s’ homophobia got overlooked.
Thanks for the sane people attacking them. And I do wish you had been more up to date on Phyllis Schlafly, who has done much more even now — for example, her claim that because marriage includes ‘sexual rights’ it is impossible for a husband to rape his wife.
This was precisely the sort of comment that your organization needs to make, despite the complaints of those who find the truth hurtful.
on February 7th, 2010 at 7:49 pm
Incorrect Russian:
“In 2005, an internal National Security Agency historical study was declassified; it concluded[3] that USS Maddox had engaged the North Vietnamese on August 2, but that there may not have been any North Vietnamese vessels present during the engagement of August 4. The report stated
[I]t is not simply that there is a different story as to what happened; it is that no attack happened that night. [...] In truth, Hanoi’s navy was engaged in nothing that night but the salvage of two of the boats damaged on August 2.[4]”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G.....n_Incident
See for example NSA report that corroborates this at:
http://www.nsa.gov/public_info.....bogies.pdf
See also:
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/N.....051201.htm
Are there any other government lies I con dissuade you of from a Green left anti racist perspective, Russian? The second incident which was the basis President Johnson used to declare war against Vietnam was a lie and coverup ie a conspiracy, like it or not they do happen. Does this mean all conspiracy theories are correct? Of course not we must be very vigilant in confronting Holocaust deniers, global warming deniers, the more outlandish of 911 truths claims like no airplane hit the Pentagon, etc.
OTOH claiming something is a conspiracy ought not to automatically close off all questioning as this article seems to suggest, to do do so is to give the government unwarranted power to close off investigations into its sometimes illegitimate activities that are sometimes planned behind closed doors. Surely no one here would deny for example that the Bush administration engaged in excessive secrecy? What is excessive secrecy combined with meetings but a conspiracy? It is known for example the KKK collaborated with southern Sheriffs to injure and kill civil rights activists in the late 50s and early 60s. Guess what that is a conspiracy, surely that sort of conspiracy is one you want to bring to light? It is sad to me that time honored civil rights organization uses the far mongering term “conspiracy theory” to attempt to dissuade sincere leftists from investigating government malfeasance.
Thanks for publishing my previous comment, in hopes of maintaining a civl dialog on this topic as I admire 99% of what your organization does.
on February 9th, 2010 at 2:38 am
There is a difference between a conspiracy behind a historical event, and a conspiracy theory. The former just means that some people planned to do something together in secret, whereas the other is defined colloquially as an alternate explanation for a historical event which is explained by a conspiracy. It is by nature non-falsifiable. Granted, some conspiracy theories are more believable than others, but so far I have yet to see a coherent alternate hypothesis, much less evidence to back one up, from the 9-11 conspiracy crowd- and believe me, I have dealt with them extensively.
Everything you say about the Bush administration’s secrecy is more or less correct- but to believe in complicity in the event I need to see actual evidence. Possibility is not probability, and occam’s razor suggests that staging 9-11 would not only be too much work, but far too much risk.
on February 9th, 2010 at 10:05 am
I usually don’t involve myself with debates here, but I must say that I agree wholeheartedly with Mathew Rogers, although I did not see the article as bashing all conspiracy theorist. It is important to remember that there are true conspiracies and not be “knee-jerk” in our dismissal of even those that come from sources that are right wing crazy. They might be right once in a while.
Besides, we can offer the respect that we desire. It can’t hurt.
on February 9th, 2010 at 4:40 pm
Ruslan I never said the Bush administration planned 911 that is a red herring. I do think it is *possible* certainly not proven that they let it happen so they could implement a police state at home many unnecessary wars abroad. I believe at the minimum that this issue does warrant further serious investigation which is not the same things saying for example that I believe all the irrational b.s. on a web site like Alex Jonese;s.
I am however disturbed to be classified with Nazis and KKKers for believing that further investigation into the backstory of the events of 911 is warranted as I believe currently that neither side has for example presented a case strong enough to be heard in a court of law. Notice too that Osama Bib Laden is *not* on the FBIs most wanted list for complicity in 911 but for other horrendous crimes as they too do not see enough evidence connecting him with to 911 to warrant that charge.
on February 9th, 2010 at 4:58 pm
Ruslan just to throw this one out there — what about the likelihood that the WTC was brought down by controlled explosives after the attack? To my knowlege that has not been admitted by the federal government. Just as it did not want to admit flight 93 was shot down.
This is a far cry from orchestrating the attacks, but given Bush’s sudden rebirth from a non-leader into a leader after 9-11, don’t you think there was some heavy handed information supression going on related to these events, if for no other reason than to empower Bush politically and make it possible to achieve his objectives in Iraq? He as much as told some senators he planned to take Saddam Hussein down with or without a terror connection.
Paul Wolfowitz had been urging the US to secure resources in the Middle East since 1981. There does appear to be more to this story, but that doesn’t necessarily make it a conspiracy. It may simply have been protocol for a national security crisis.
on February 10th, 2010 at 12:59 pm
beholder: the reason that the Government has not admitted that the WTC was brought down by controlled explosives or that Flight 93 was shot down is simply because neither crackpot theory is true. (I hadn’t even heard the Flight 93 one.)
I won’t try and give you links to the massive scientific evidence because simple common sense shows that, ironically, the Bushies were neither smart enough nor stupid enough to pull this one off.
Let’s start with the ‘not stupid enough’ part. The whole ‘motive’ for the conspiracy was to seize the resources of Iraq, or to attack Iraq for some other reason. So the Bush plotters create this massive hoax, get the whole world behind them in sympathy, and then frame…
Afghanistan (not even in the Middle East) and Saudi Arabia (whose closeness to the Bush family is also well-known).
In fact, what caused the loss of support for the Bush Administration’s foreign policy was when they tried to move the war to Iraq, when there was no evidence that Saddam had anything to do with 9/11.
I’d also point out that no one in the region had any particular liking for Saddam, as shown by the universal support for the First Guf War. (Muslims in particular didn’t like a secular, quasi-Socialist givernment like the Baathists. It was, again, only after the attack on Afghanistan that Sadam could play the ‘Muslima are being attacked by the New Crusaders’ card.) And, btw, Iraq is a lot easier to attack than Afghanistan, and wouldn’t have needed the hardly certain support of a Pakistan.
Why didn’t the Bush Administration ‘frame’ Saddam in their conspiracy?
And the other point is simple. The hallmark of the Bush Administration was corrupt incompetence — ask any resident of Louisiana after Katrina. They fouled up almost everything they tried. They made gthemselves so unpopular that we forget that both parties were runnig against them by 2008. And yet these bumblers had the incredible skill to pull off the greatest conspiracy, the greatest fraud in human history?
Fuhgeddaboudit! Ya gotta be kiddin’ me.
on February 10th, 2010 at 4:56 pm
Prup I never suggested any of that. I said that there is a school of thought that the WTC was brought down by controlled charges after the impact. That might even be considered a humanitarian act for people trapped in there that would not get out alive no matter what. It may have been to keep the buildings from toppling over and causing more harm. I never said it was my theory, I just said it exists. So please don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater.
By the way there is a clip of Rumsfeld on You-Tube saying 93 got shot down. So did Cheney, in a way:
“I wholeheartedly concurred in the decision he (Bush) made, that if the plane would not divert, if they wouldn’t pay any attention to instructions to move away from the city, as a last resort our pilots were authorized to take them out,” Cheney said on “Meet the Press.”
on March 15th, 2010 at 10:15 am
Many right wing groups were a recruiting arm to increase GOP voters, using propaganda to teach hate against liberals.
Rush Limberger was an official paid mouthpiece 4 Reagan/Bush.
His agenda was to praise GOP & to spread lies on Democrats.
In the TeaBag group, there is a violent component, spewing hate filled lies, trying to undo Obama’s election. Angry since they failed to “rig” McCain’s election like they did Bush’s.
One IMPORTANT thing you need to know about JohnBirch Society is
that they do NOT believe the US is a “democracy” or that our US founding fathers wanted one.
Once you know this, it makes a lot of other things make sense.
They do not listen to the will of the people (like anti-war in Iraq).Began war on pak of lies
When Bush was elected in 2000 & 2004, they were “rigged” by his family & pals. This is NOT listening to the will of the people as Constitution demands.
If folks think Obama is not duly elected, due to Hawaiian birth, then what about a guy who was never TRULY elected, as the whole thing was rigged?
The JBS (anti-democracy) never
cares about the common man’s ideas, but listens only to the wealthy, the business elite, & the industrialists. Robt Welch was himself a candy mfr, belong to the Nat’l Assoc of Mfrs.
The JBS was formed from 12 GOP millionaires in 1958. Their goal:recruit 1 million members
They operated thru propaganda in churches,in magazines & JBS books, & secret cell meetings.
All members took an oath of secrecy, & vowed NO DISSENT of Birch philosophy or actions.
It was a “hate group” since it tried to defame & slander all Democrats as being Socialist & Communist, part of conspiracy against America.
Used this false propaganda to win votes for GOP which most of their members were part of.
The JBS operated in secret cell meetings,launched phone attacks against liberal teachers, ran their own book stores, put Rush Limbaugh on radio to brain wash Americans to rightwing ideas.
The most dangerous group to our Constitution in all US history. Subversive, anti-govt, its own outlook is very fascistic.
on March 15th, 2010 at 12:20 pm
The John Birch Society promotes itself as an “anti-Communist” group but in fact, operates just like a Communist cell.
Robt Welch (founder) studied Marx, Lenin, & Hitler before he began the JBS, & used many of their techniques to run it.
HIS MAIN IDEAS:
#1: Do NOT believe the US should be or is a Democracy.
#2: All members must vow to NO DISSENT against Birch policy or ideas. Founder Robt Welch ruled supreme until he died.
#3: JBS was formed by 12 GOP millionaires, most belonged to the (NAM) Nat’l Assoc of Mfrs.
#4: Early recruiting was done by teams of “pitch men” who said they left very good jobs in “advertising” to devote them
selves to the effort.
#5: Early ideas of JBS were:
President Eisenhower was a Communist. That the UN was just a Communist front. Putting fluoride in the water allowed all of us to be brainwashed.
#6: That the US was already so far gone, that only the most diligent efforts of all of us would be able to save Freedom.
#7: That we all must work in secret, follow all the commands given by Welch, do sabotage to democratic causes, infiltrating their campaigns, siphoning off their money, ruin reputations of (D) candidates, spread lies.
#8: Infiltrate churches to make their preachers spread Birch line from the pulpits. Finally the congregation will just be a Repub fundraiser group, to put GOP men in office & defeat Dems
#9: GOP pitchmen s/b on radio & TV 24/7 to promote election of our boys to high office. Using Rush Limbo for propaganda.
#10: Set up American Opinion bookstores to sell our ideas to the public. Also magazines.
Start Speakers Bureau to give our ideas to prestigious grps.
#11: Form attack grps to phone supvr of schools to fire any liberal teachers, who express ideas of evolution, or global warming we don’t approve.
#12: Form front groups to raise
issues. Support your local Cops &/or Women for Lower taxes.
#13: Mass mailing & email grps to overwhelm Congress offices with rtwing ideas, making Sen’s & Congressmen believe Majority of Americans are really rtwing.
#14: Use JBS to take over the whole GOP party, & use this as a vehicle to takeover US Govt.
(basically — a coup d’etat).
They always SAID “We will “bury you” & would “takeover the US from within”—
Also RULES OF WAR: You don’t need superior numbers of troops or even the best Air Force or Navy — All you need to do to WIN is: Bankrupt your enemy.
We are now hopelessly in debt to Communist Red China, where we cannot ever pay it all off.
WHO WON? —- Guess who.
on March 15th, 2010 at 11:36 pm
The John Birch Society took over the GOP by 1964, when they ran Goldwater for President, & at that time, Goldwater was on the Executive Committee of JBS.
Ever since that time, most GOP candidates have had to pass the litmus test to represent the ultra right wing, the hard core “conservatives”. They have gained power steadily thru the years, especially after putting their own propaganda machine on American airwaves in 1980′s.
Psychological warfare men from our military were put into our radio/TV networks* to push USA opinion into pro-Reagan/Bush.
*See Barbara Honegger’s book: “October Surprise”. She worked in Policy Analysis Dept under Pres Ronald Reagan.
Birchers used idea that natural greed was good incentive to get voters on their side: no taxes.
Always painting Democrats as being pinkos or Commies, even during Nixon’s campaign for CA governor, GOP platform always appeared to be anti-Communist.
Seeking to takeover the US govt
ASAP led to dangerous tactics, (some say) including political assassinations. But I don’t want to get into that as it is still too controversial.
However, the only successful assassinations of high profile politicians were murders of the Democrats (not Republicans).
Example: John F. Kennedy, Robt Kennedy, Martin L. King. Attempt to kill: George Wallace
The Watergate scandal (Nixon) was only one example of GOP attempts to manipulate elections
by sabotage & infiltration of Democratic campaign headqtrs.
GOP frequently infiltrate Dem Hqtrs to siphon money, spy on operations, sabotage support.
(ie) McGovern’s Pres group.
Reagan is touted as a great Prez & almost a saint. But in fact, during his Birch Society supported presidency, he cut off disability pay for millions of Americans, even Veterans of the VietNam War. He gave NATO weapons (Hawk missiles) to Iran (an enemy country) which is defined as Treason in our laws.
He financed Iran/Contra to give financial support to So.America
for questionable guerilla wars.
Another Birch Prez was Geo Bush SR, (#41) who started the war with Saddam Hussein (in Iraq).
Daddy Bush owned oil wells in Kuwait, (why we had to invade).
George W. Bush (#43) had memory deficit disorder, so forgot that we were supposed to go after the terrorists of 9/11 (ie: Osama bin Laden) & instead headed our troops over to Iraq.
With God supposedly on his side, Bush led us into a war, which after 9 years we are still losing, with no end in sight. If God were truly on his side, we would not still be in this war, since we WON WWII in just 4 years, on our own.
False religious hypocrisy & bold ability to LIE to the US people, are hallmarks of JBS who will say anything to get what they want: more $ & power.
Knowing full well that more Wars will only lead us into more bankruptcy, with Red Communist China, & that this is cataclysmic to the US economy, Bush constantly looks for any excuse to engage in more wars, all over the globe. Making the US vulnerable to enemy takeover
The Republican Party as a whole have demonstrated their desire to sabotage the US Congress & the concept of democracy, just to get their power & control back, & continue ruling America
But the way they are ruling it is Disaster to the Economy & to our Freedom & Constitution.
Some have said: If a dedicated Communist were in control of America (during Bush years) he could NOT have done any more harm to this nation than Bush.
Fifty years after its beginning the JBS shows what happens when they are in power. War against terrorism that takes away our traditional freedoms, even Free Speech, takeover of our media to suppress liberal thought, attempts right now to re-write history books to bland down liberal ideas & contributions, & to magnify the achievements of the “rightwing” impostors,
& erase all their illegality.
With a Supreme Court ruling in the last few days, CEO’s of major corporations will be able to legally “buy” candidates, AND THEIR VOTES, so the US people will no longer be a factor in US policy or laws.
The Supreme Court decision is a result of Republican Majority.
That is the END OF DEMOCRACY, & we should Take Notice of it.
We should at least demand that our Flag hang at “Half Mast” in honor of our dead democracy. It served us well for 234 yrs.
—-GOD BLESS AMERICA.
on March 21st, 2010 at 11:03 am
BLUEPRINT FOR BIRCHERS:
The latest devices used by the right wing are an elaborate echo of George Orwell’s “1984″.
Everything in Newspeak seems to be backwards & upside down.
Winston,the main character, works for the Records Dept in the Ministry of Truth. It is the source of most Newspapers, & his daily job is to re-write history. To cover up any errors by the govt or Big Brother.
The process of continuous alteration was done by sending the original copies down the “memory hole” to be burnt.
Statistics were mostly fantasy to bolster the ego & reputation of the leaders. Like in a Sarah Palin speech. No similarity to the real Truth.
Lately, Repubs are deliberately telling lies (WMD in Iraq) or they are the moral authority that do not ever have marital affairs, or none of them are gay. But in reality they do ALL those things.If you catch them.
Bush insisting that Saddam Hussein was the “evil enemy” & we are supposed to wage war to destroy Iraq, even though Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11 or attacking our country.
GOP TeaBag Party says Obama was not born in USA, despite all
evidence to the contrary. And saying Medicare revival will be Socialism to destroy America.
QUOTE from “1984″: “And if all others accepted the lie which the Party imposed – if all records told the same tale – then the lie passed into history and became truth.”
In Newspeak it is called “doublethink” — being conscious of truth while telling carefully constructed lies, to simultaneously hold 2 opinions, knowing them to be contradictory, & believing in both of them. To use logic against logic, to control the use of your own memory against itself. To consciously induce unconsciousness, a form of self hypnosis, to obliterate truth.
By changing written history, the past had not been merely altered,it had been destroyed.
SLOGANS of Big Brother:
WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH
were written on all coins, with the image of Big Brother’s face
The Thought Police are present everywhere, spying on citizens to detect any Thoughtcrime.
For even having the thought was in itself a horrible crime for which people were arrested and vaporized. The Thought consists
of any “rebellion” against Big Brother, or his philosophy.
Ever present telescreens watch all citizens for signs of crime or rebellion. Everything one says or does is recorded, he can be seen or heard anytime.
BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU.
Children are taught to spy on their parents & report them if they say anything rebellious.
Fellow “comrades” & co-workers will spy on each other also.
In modern America (2010) we have spy cameras in every bank, gas station, dept store, parkg lot, & at major intersections.
Our media is very often biased & controlled, to present only the opinions of the right wing.
People who dare to dissent from the GOP leadership,like Dixie Chicks who spoke out against the Iraq War, were vilified & threatened, careers ruined.They all had to hire bodyguards.
Big Brother kept total control over his people, wanted TOTAL POWER over their lives, & even their thoughts. This POWER was maintained thru threats that the disobedient will be caught & tortured, imprisoned, killed.
In America, if you say the wrong word at an airport, the guards will subtly threaten you & suggest how empowered they are to give you extra scrutiny with a full body scanner, or in jail due to a “bad attitude.”
Totally innocent people have been placed on a “no fly” list, even though they are recognized to be honorable. Example: Ted Kennedy was on a No Fly list.
The right wing wants to wage a War against Terrorists, but then they put ANYBODY they don’t agree with on the list.
Members of Bush Admin have said that Environmentalists are terrorists, Teachers are terrorists, Liberals are also suspect, Anti-War people, like Jesus Christ are suspects.
This no longer appears to be a rational response to a building that was crashed into by a band of Islamic radicals. Instead it looks like an attempt to reach for MORE POWER against all the people living in the USA.
We all know about private email & phone calls being bugged, & the supposed reasons for that.
The FOUNDING FATHERS would be so angry about this, they would be rolling in their graves, & clawing at the ground trying to get out. To grab a musket.
But the people brainwashed by the Rush Limberger school of thought think that eradicating freedom in the name of Bearded guys with boxcutters is A-OK.
Hijacking religion to further their ideas, like saying God wanted Bush to be President, is not only absurd, its blasphemy.
GOD BLESSED this Nation with great Peace & Prosperity for 230 years, because our leaders have mainly been honest decent men, with high ideals & intents to promote equality & harmony both in the USA & to the world.
But HELL hath no Fury like God seeing what the Bush Clan have done to this great nation. We have seen God show us that HE ALONE is powerful, & will still punish those who misuse power of our Govt, using the name of God to wage war & catastrophe.
Have you noticed anything going on that is “unusual” lately? It seems there are earthquakes and hurricanes, floods, volcanoes, tsunamis, forest fires, & all kinds of disasters happening in diverse places. Our nation is under siege from mother nature.
Or is it like the Biblical form of justice, when the Pharoah was punished by God, for “NOT letting his PEOPLE GO.” Look at your Bible & see what plagues He sent to harass Egypt then.
We are still in the Middle East for 9 YRS, bombing & destroying
an innocent nation (Iraq) which neither threatened or attacked us. Iraq is the ancient nation of Mesopotamia & Babylon, which was the ancient Garden of Eden, the Holy Land where God walked with Adam & Eve. Do you think God would like us to bomb that place? The Holy Garden of Paradise chosen for his first creation of mankind to live?
I think God wants us to LEAVE that place, & get out as soon as possible, & that only the desire to steal OIL is the main motive we’re still there. It is abomination against God. And he is going to punish us for it.
As a liberal & a Christian, I cannot silently watch this horror going on for another year or two, while Bush family gets richer due to depravity.
Meanwhile, Bush policy has put us into bankruptcy as a nation & ruined millions of US lives.
And cronies of Bush spend all their time & money trying to sabotage our US healthcare.
Considering all the damage done to this Economy & our security in the world, with BushCo in the WhiteHouse, WHO NEEDS ANY ENEMIES? Think about it.
The only solution to economic crisis we face, is to force the CEO’s of major corporations that did the Banking Fraud & all the other looting & theft, to be arrested, put into prison & be kept there until they pay back every dime they “stole” from the American people. It is ludicrous for the worst robbers in history to go scott free.
Yes, they probably put the cash in Swiss Bank Accts, where the Osama Bin Laden Family banks.
By the way, if you really want to catch Osama BinLaden, he has family assets & relatives living in Zurich Switzerland, & nobody is looking for him there
I think any millionaire would prefer to live in a comfy Swiss hotel, instead of a dirty cave in Godforsaken desert regions.
The BinLaden family also has financial assets in Paris France, & nobody is looking for him there. (Or not too hard).
Well, from 1984 to the Garden of Eden, to location of Osama Bin Laden, we have covered a lot of territory today. Maybe it will stimulate some useful thought. God Bless the USA.
on March 23rd, 2010 at 9:53 am
The GOP TeaBag Party is showing again that it is a HATE GROUP.
Right after Congress voted to PASS the Healthcare bill, we hear of dozens of incidents where offices of Congressmen were vandalized, windows broken by rocks or gunshots, & other acts of terrorism. This comes after GOP spitting, insulting & threatening our legislators as they walk into the Capitol.
Signs saying “WE come unarmed this time” & “If Brown can’t stop this, maybe a Browning can” (meaning a gun).
Their mentality & attitude are very much like the Hitler Youth in Nazi Germany in 1938.
After the Birch Society has steadily been brainwashing Americans for 50 yrs.
As Founder Welch said, “the inmates would (someday) take over the asylum.”
The hatred & urge to violence seen in the TeaBag groups are close to the worst we have ever seen. Unless somebody takes it seriously, we may see several dead bodies in the streets.
on March 24th, 2010 at 4:14 am
UPDATE on TeaBag groups:
Since my last article, Sarah Palin has posted names of Democrats to be “Targeted” (with symbols of cross-haired gun targets) on her US map.
Her slogan for her followers is to “RE-LOAD” (their rifles)
Messages have been put out that Repubs should go to any & all Democratic Hdqtrs & break all their windows, using any object like bricks, stones, gunshots.
At least 5 or 6 done already.
One Democrat Congresswoman got a taped message on her phone saying that “all children of the Democrats who signed the healthcare bill would be killed”
Now, if never before, we should begin to realize what kind of nut cases are running the GOP.
I mentioned the mentality was a lot like the Hitler Youth in Nazi Germany – 1938.
That year, they had a major riot known as “Kristallnacht”, where the Hitler Youth & the Gestapo broke thousands of windows of Jewish homes,stores & synagogues. Sound familiar?
Kristallnacht translates to “night of broken glass”
It brings back the memory of Geo W’s grandpa, old Prescott Bush, who financed IG Farben, one of the biggest industries of the Third Reich, that built concentration camps, & made the Zyklon gas to kill the Jews.
Prescott Bush & buddies kept on aiding Nazi Germany until the US Govt forced him to cease & desist under the “Trading With the Enemy Act” of 1942.
Since Welch (Birch founder) has studied Marx, Lenin, & Hitler, it is hard to know which group he patterned the JBS after the most. Birchers had secret cells
& used infiltration techniques to sabotage American groups.
That was copied from Communism, but the Propaganda Machine came from Goebbels – the Nazis.
Apparently the JBS is a Hybrid.
(A mutation,combination of both)
In both fascist societies, they tend to takeover by violence, & imprisonment of loyalists from the previous govt. Usually they have mass murders going on also.
Does Auschwitz come to mind? & the gulags of Soviet Russia.
And in Red Communist China they either killed or imprisoned any leaders or professors who may try to rescue their fallen govt
HERE WE ARE. Those of us who knew what was happening could get NO help, since nobody could believe any of it was true.
Subversives amongst us? who will take us over by sabotage & violence? Who would destroy this govt without hesitation?
Democracy the shining jewel of mankind. The perfection of the human soul,leading nations to independence, personal freedom & equality, seeking world peace
To think it could be wiped out in an instant, by morons & idiots wearing tea bags on their hats, shouting slogans from a nut house. Alas Babylon.
IS THERE TIME? Can we stop it?
on March 25th, 2010 at 9:04 am
I hate to bring this up (again) but political assassinations were part of the “plan.” Back when JFK & Robt Kennedy were killed, that was very convenient timing (during election years) to get Birchers
on the ballot. They thought that if you can’t WIN fair & square, just kill the opponent. And your chances are increased by at least 50%.
The Birchers put headlines in Dallas Newspapers, Nov 22 1963 saying JFK was Wanted for Treason, soft on communism, etc
They decided to win election by Bullets instead of Ballots.
A conspiracy consists of 2 or more people in on a sinister plot. Lee Harvey Oswald may or may not have killed JFK, who was a popular Democrat running for Prez in an election year.
But it is SURE that Oswald did NOT kill Robert Kennedy 5 years later, just as HE was a popular Democrat running for President during an election year.
Since of course Oswald was DEAD
- it can’t be HIM who did BOTH.
So there had to be at least TWO shooters who had a political motive. To get rid of Democrat candidates for President. And 2 people makes a “Conspiracy”.
My contention is that the Birch Society (whose aim & goal was to takeover the US govt) wanted to rush things along, by taking away their main opposition.
Many Birchers were in the military, General Edwin Walker & even professors at AF Academy were Birch members. Spiro Agnew (Nixon’s VP) was a member on the Executive Committee. They had power to get things done.
In those days, even FBI J.Edgar Hoover was a Republican & he really hated Robt Kennedy. So a few strings were pulled & then there was a big coverup.
THIS is of course speculation, but NOW you can see what is going on with our Political system TODAY. The Republicans have been brainwashing millions of our people to believe any LIE & take action upon it.
So they have goons & lackeys to do their bidding, commit crimes & blackmail people, threaten men in Congress, burn buildings
When the Repubs take office, they only use their power to take it away from the common people, & to subvert parts of our Constitution to weaken our democracy. Repubs have NO respect for the Founders of this nation, & do NOT believe this is a “Democracy”
Which is why they do not mind trampling on our rights. Taking away our right to VOTE, or our FREE SPEECH. They feel free to “rig” our elections, or to sabotage the Dems campaigns.
I thought that once they had learned to “rig” our elections they might not have to go so far as to kill our candidates.
But episodes this week show us that they fully do intend to takeover by force & violence. They will use the brain-dead fools who obey Rush Limberger to get back into power. They will incite the idiot masses to do their violence for them, & then also pay the punishment.
Do you remember Sarah Palin’s words about “she wants to lead a New Revolution?” I don’t know if she is smart enough to know what that means (ie:) bloodshed in the streets, death, murder, etc. but she IS advocating it in her cross-hair target images.
And Boehner, McCain, etc are all going right along with it.
Like it is all some big JOKE.
THE DEATH OF DEMOCRACY is NOT a big Joke. The death of America is NOT a big joke. Isn’t that what the Ayatollah used to say all the time? Death to America?
It is too late to instill shame or apology into Repub’s hearts.
They have gone too far now, to suddenly do an about face & quit
They may not any longer have any control over their lunatic lackeys. They have pushed the button, & the robot moves on.
So what can WE do? We can only hope that the idiot clones who are working for the Repub cause are easily swayed again. That they CAN “turn against” their master. TELL THEM that THEY are going to JAIL, & the Republican leaders are getting off free.
That THEY have just been USED like Pawns to do Repub’s will.
Of course it is useless to hope that they could develop a brain & realize their folly. (ha)
—-God Bless America
on April 9th, 2010 at 3:25 am
Favorite Tactic of the JBS/GOP is to loudly proclaim that your enemy is doing the exact same thing as you are doing yourself
This causes a distraction away from what you are actually doing, but also puts the blame on your enemy for causing it.
They are currently blaming Obama for bringint the nation into Marxism or Communism, but in fact, WHO is doing that?
The GOP/JBS has used the very tactics of infiltration & sabotage (& secret cells) used by the Communist Party, & they also use the Goebbels ideas of constant propaganda to totally brainwash the people into voting for things that help the GOP stay in power. This usually involves demonizing the GOP’s enemy (the Democrats) by smear tactics, hate speech & lies.
Whatever the GOP says that WE are doing, is most likely the very thing they are doing themselves. THEY are leading us down the road to Socialism & Communism, as they destroy the very roots of our democracy, & bankrupt our nation. They got us into all these Wars, which are right now destroying the financial bases & banks of America. Our industry has all been outsourced, so we can no longer build anything of value to sell on the world market.
Our Debt is so huge we can never pay it all off for decades, if ever. We are at the mercy of a Communist nation, (Red China) to bail us out, and we have no other option.
Who got us into this fix? It was #43 (Geo W) who just had to go invade Iraq (illegally– & a war crime) & then KILL its duly elected leader & his 2 sons. A very serious breach of ethics. Violates all UN treaties
While the GOP Terrorists dominate the airwaves with their insane illogical rants, usurp the power of the Exec & Legislative branch by using tactics of intimidation & subversion, to manipulate or control what laws can be passed by OUR elected men of Congress!
It is at the very least, an act of subversion against the USA Govt, & has actually gone beyond that to acts of Treason.
What would the Founding Fathers do, if they saw this? Would they sit meekly by & just shake their head in disbelief? Grab a bottle of Jack Daniels & drown their sorrows? Or jump a horse & ride into the streets with musket in hand, trumpets blowing, seeking true Justice? YOU MUST BE THE JUDGE.
on November 2nd, 2010 at 10:20 pm
Americans need to wake up the fact that Beck is simply another opinion pushing charlatan who is a product of mormon cult theology that he mixes with parts of Catholicism and his personal core as a dry alcoholic. And for the record, he is a Mormon and not a Christian. The religion of Islam has more in common with Christianity than the mormon cult. As someone with a graduate degree in religion, I can say with all qualifications that Mormonism fits all parameters of a cult and has none of the parameters of a religion. A cult is any group (regardless of its size) that interprets the doctrines of a religion in an unorthodox fashion. Cults have come out of all major world religions and Christianity is no exception. The problem here is the fact the most Christians do not understand the difference between the two and they easily fall for the lies of Mormon missionaries or Jehovah’s Witness cultists when they come to one’s door.
Glenn Beck is a complete total idiot who has no honor, does not support America’s troops and would not know the first thing about restoring honor to the USA. On this idiots radio show and Fox Network program he consistent demonstrates all the unstable behaviors of a dry alcoholic which include grandiosity, judgmentalism, intolerance, impulsivity, ADD and indecisiveness. Alongside that reality, Glenn Beck does not possess a single ounce of journalistic integrity, has no college degree, has no qualifications and he is definitely not a true conservative. But then, what can anyone expect from someone who can’t find anything filthier than their own personal reflection. Since people like Beck cannot survive on the basis of any personal merits, they survive by putting others down with lies and half truths in order to feel good about themselves.
The truth about Beck is that he a dry mormon alcoholic who never got the counseling required for alcoholics. To further complicate things and confuse people, Beck flippantly throws around Christian terms like “God”, “Jesus”,”Holy Spirit” as well as voices of other so called “Spirit Powers” on his radio talk show. Beck is a mormon in active standing with the mormon church and is not a Christian. Mormonism teaches many gods, that the god of the earth was once a man who attained godhood status, there is no trinity, the cross of Christ means nothing and that Jesus Christ and Satan were brothers. They have some very twisted ideas that do not come from the Christian Bible or Christian doctrines and they are laughing all the way to the bank with each temple they build.
Because Beck does not possess a single ounce of journalistic integrity, he is the perfect abortion poster child for Fox Network. The people who love what Beck says are no different than the impressionable sheep who loved every speech made by Adolph Hitler in his early years when he brought Germany into an era of economic prosperity These same sheep also blindly followed Hitler into one of the darkest chapters of world history. Beck and the Fox Network both cater to the same lowest common denominator of demagoguery.
Someone should have asked Beck which of the many mormon gods he kept talking about during his argument with himself on Saturday on the square in DC. Like a typical dry alcoholic, Beck even lied on national television when he spoke about holding a document signed by George Washington. That event never took Place. Unfortunately, people who love being led around by the nose do not realize that Beck is talking about a different god than that of Christianity, Judaism or Islam. Beck has been a product of mormon cultism from the day he started doing a radio talk show as an opinion pusher. This idiot never even went to college, has no clue what is really in the US Constitution or what the founding fathers really believed and intended. You don’t have to have a degree in psychology to see that Beck exhibits all the signs of a dry alcoholic. The only reason this unstable impressionable idiot fell into mormonism was because the woman he wanted to have sex with would not do so unless they got first got married and joined a church. From that point, they joined the mormon cult where Beck’s unstable mind went even further out into left field through mixing Catholicism with mormonism. Glenn Beck is as big a charlatan as Joseph Smith or that 5th grade graduate (Charles T Russell) who started the Jehovah’s Witness cult.
This is Glenn Beck in a very accurate and concise nutshell. Considering the fact that Becks personal views are extreme Marxist Libertarian, his form of patriotism is false and he is a person who has no real substance or depth. It will not surprise many of us when Beck’s next big thing is to come out of the closet and announce his homosexuality to the nation. Simply put…he is just another predatory neocon who is pushing the buttons of very ignorant & impressionable people who love being told what to think and believe.
We live in a period of history where it has become very socially acceptable to be stupid and follow extremist idiots like Glenn Beck, Adolph Hitler, Sarah Palin, Karl Rove, Dick Cheney, Christine O Donnell and Rush Limbaugh. Chicanery and lies are their middle names as these people have no ounce of integrity and are masters at perverting truth, facts and history. Even now…Beck is probably masturbating while watching Fox News video footage of Christine O Donnell & Sarah Palin while brainstorming over his next round of vile spew for his opinion pushing points on the radio or TV.
on April 1st, 2011 at 2:08 pm
I am just commenting on the above post, which says that the Mormon Church is a cult which does not truly believe in God or Jesus Christ. I am not an expert, but I did take classes with a Mormon Church 10 yrs ago, & their church is called (officially) The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.
NOTE the word “Jesus Christ” so they obviously do believe in him. And I know that they do, since the first thing they asked me when I began classes, is “What do you know about Jesus?” And I had been a Christian for 30 yrs, so I knew a lot, & they agreed with ALL of it. At all classes and services at their church, we read both from the Book of Mormon, and ALSO the typical Bible used by most Protestant churches. (King James Version).
It could be classified as a cult, if that means that they have a few unique ideas, different from most Protestant churches. I never heard about any weird gods, as such, but I only took classes for a month or so. They believe in many mainstream ideas, but also believe their leader has powers of prophesy, & that they must find & “baptize” all their dead relatives from many generations ago. Also they believe you should never drink coffee or tea, besides not drinking alcohol. You must attend church 3 hrs a week on Sunday, & if you ever miss it, you’d better have a good excuse since they will come looking for you. But the people I met there seemed like fine citizens, & they also do charity work, & often appear a lot like the Quakers & Puritans: some of the earliest churches in America.
Unofficially, some churches (ie) in Utah practice polygamy under the radar, but most churches “prohibit” it in practice.
You are required to “tithe” which means to donate 10% of your income to the church. But if you got into financial bad straits, & needed something, often the church will provide it for you. Like a family, they seem to help each other.
You may be requested to go on a “mission” as a family, that may uproot your jobs, your home & your kids school, but most of them meekly do their bidding. Women are accepted as equals in some ways, like they can get up & give a sermon, take charge of a meeting, teach classes.
There is a lot of good in the Mormon Church, as well as a few drawbacks. Their hierarchy seems to be Republican.