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Armed MCDC to ‘Forcefully Engage’ Border ‘Criminals’

By Sonia Scherr on March 19, 2010 - 7:39 am, Posted in Anti-Immigrant, Nativist Extremist

The leader of the nativist extremist group Minuteman Civil Defense Corps (MCDC) publicly repudiates the use of illegal tactics to secure the border against undocumented immigrants. “If one single individual steps over the line for their personal gratification, we are all stained with that irresponsible behavior, and labeled forever as a fringe element that embarrasses all who are counting on us to make a historic statement,” MCDC President Carmen Mercer wrote on the group’s website.

But Mercer doesn’t sound nearly so careful in a recent E-mail to Minutemen that repeatedly asks them to come to the border “locked and loaded” — military jargon for an assault rifle that’s ready for firing — and prepared to “forcefully engage” the “criminals” who try to cross without documentation. Monday’s “urgent alert” announced an armed border patrol operation that’s scheduled to begin on March 26 and to last until the U.S. military is deployed to secure the border.

“President Obama and John McCain have left us no choice – this March we return to the border locked, loaded and ready to stop each and every individual we encounter along the frontier that is now more dangerous than the frontier of Afghanistan,” Mercer wrote in part. “This operation will not be for the faint of heart. MCDC volunteers will work under an entire different SOP [standard operating procedure]; we will approach our duty as citizens as we should – we have a zero tolerance for any and all violations of our border and we will forcefully engage, detain, and defend our lives and country from the criminals who trample over our culture and laws. Long arms will be allowed and frankly, encouraged.”

Though MCDC has conducted armed border patrols before (and they’re perfectly legal under Arizona’s lenient gun laws), Mercer’s latest rhetoric is especially shrill. In the E-mail, she referred to Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano as “an unqualified buffoon who risks the lives of American citizens every day she is the head of DHS.” She also states that Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), who has been more sympathetic to immigrants than many in his party, “is responsible for every death of an American citizen at the hands of illegal alien criminals and the drug cartels.”

Mercer, of Tombstone, Ariz., did not respond to an E-mail message sent yesterday seeking clarification of her statements. In addition, her voice mail was full and would not accept messages. A German immigrant and longtime Minuteman leader, Mercer was named in lawsuit filed by the Arizona attorney general’s last summer after a post office box she owned was included in a property tax solicitation aimed at scamming homeowners.  Mercer claimed that she had opened the post office box for a friend and didn’t know it would be used in the alleged fraud.

  • beholder

    You think civil rights don’t apply to national origin NTX? shame on you. You think the civil rights code in Art 42 doesn’t apply to nativism?

    Read the Constitution, under item 14, it’s in there, and after you read it, if you wish to retract your statement, you may do so at that time.

  • NTX

    Karme – No one said that Mexico wasn’t a beautiful country with abundant natural resources. But, how are those resources being used? If the government of Mexico was actually working for the people, all of the people, then they wouldn’t keep running up here in huge numbers to leech off of our tax-based systems – and there wouldn’t be a lucrative illicit drug trade. The truth of the matter is, Mexico is still basically a feudal system. There are the uber rich, then their secondary lackeys, then the masses of ignored peasants who can barely find enough to eat, but who keep increasing their numbers nonetheless. Mexico is experiencing serious unrest due to the drug trade, and it’s spilling over our borders here in the U.S. Citizens are being murdered, and long-time ranchers are not safe on their land near the border anymore. The MCDC, in conjunction with other groups and law enforcement, help to keep these people safe.

  • NTX

    beholder said, on March 31st, 2010 at 12:34 pm

    What the matter NTX. Cat got your tongue?

    [Me] I answered you the same day you posted. You answered my post five days after I posted. Want to retract your comment at this time? LOL

  • NTX

    beholder said, on March 31st, 2010 at 8:52 am

    “NTX ignores history and does not know American law. “White citizen” is the correct and legally designated class of nativist oppressor in this country, per our civil rights legislation in Art 42, Chapter 21, Subchapter 1, Section 1981 line and verse…”

    I have no problem with the term, “white citizen”. I DO have a problem with the phrase, “class of nativist oppressor in this country”. I get the funny feeling that no Federal bill contains such language, as Beholder’s racist post would suggest.

  • beholder

    Could be but it doesn’t prove a point because it’s a fallacy. No logic, son. A limp argument.

  • CPT

    Texas secessionists (Texas Nationalist Movement) urge militia types like the Hutaree group in Michigan to join the Texas State Guard, an official unit of the Texas Military Forces reporting to the Texas governor.

    http://www.texasnationalist.co...../frontpage

    Geez, I wonder how many are already in the Guard. Someone needs to check that out.

  • Jack

    Statements worthy of scorn receive such.

  • beholder

    What the matter NTX.

    Cat got your tongue?

  • beholder

    NTX ignores history and does not know American law. “White citizen” is the correct and legally designated class of nativist oppressor in this country, per our civil rights legislation in Art 42, Chapter 21, Subchapter 1, Section 1981 line and verse:

    “(a) Statement of equal rights
    All persons within the jurisdiction of the United States shall have the same right in every State and Territory to make and enforce contracts, to sue, be parties, give evidence, and to the full and equal benefit of all laws and proceedings for the security of persons and property as is enjoyed by white citizens, and shall be subject to like punishment, pains, penalties, taxes, licenses, and exactions of every kind, and to no other. “

  • beholder

    Jack, pars por toto (generalization). It’s a fallacy. I am one leftist, I do not represent all leftists. Also its ad hominem, and an appeal to scorn.

  • Karme Nava

    Skinny Minne: You say look at Mexico for example. Do you really know what Mexico is like past the borders? I doubt that you do otherwise you would be shocked at the beauty of the country and the natural resources abounding everywhere, the historical sites and colonial palaces that are housed in that country that are very desirable to the mega rich of this planet. They have progressive universities that people from Europe and other countries attend and some of the most beautiful architecture of the world.

    Unfortunately there are those governing bodies that want to destabilize the country and if it weren’t for those mercernaries doing the sporadic killing and terrorizing the population at large at this time in history, it would still be the peaceful country that it once was just less than a decade ago to more than a million Americans who now call it home.

    So much confusion and propaganda in the airwaves that there is no way that any of us could conduct a productive conversation in this small space that we are allotted.

  • jack

    “It is understandable not to like white people very much, after everything that has been done over the past 500-700 years.”

    Yeah, it’s understandable if you are an idiot.

    Typical lefties, they benefit daily from the greatness of Western civilization but are self-hating fools willing to toss it all and merge with the third world.

    Pathetic.

  • NTX

    Beholder – in a previous post, you responded to Evil White Person’s post in this manner:

    beholder said,

    on March 25th, 2010 at 1:46 pm

    [Evil White Person] Fortunately when the President was white people could discuss the bill on its merits rather than simply call its opponents racists.

    [Beholder] They were racists then and they are racists now. I cannot see how this has materially changed.

    ——————————

    I will address that mess along with this portion of your most recent comment:

    “It is understandable not to like white people very much, after everything that has been done over the past 500-700 years. But not liking white people is not the institutional racism that we can address politically. Institutional racism is what enabled there to be no non-white President until Obama, so a black man not liking Bush would not be a racist.”

    [Me] Are you aware that the only places where slavery is still ignored and/or actually allowed is in certain African and Asian countries, in addition to a few other countries such as Haiti? I didn’t think so. And – newsflash – we are not talking about “white people” here.

    Most citizens have no problem with Obama’s race, they object to his presidency on other grounds. Of course, certain individuals want to point fingers at these people and scream ‘racism’ at every perceived “chance”; but such individuals only make fools of themselves. As for me, I prefer that any presidential candidate would have served in our military; Obama had not. I also prefer that any presidential candidate should have a good history of serving in public office at the Federal level; Obama had not even served one term as a Senator before he began campaigning for the presidency.

    Please re-read your post, especially the selection I have included here. If you can’t see the insidious racism included therein, then you are worse off than you thought. And, I’m sure I’m not the only one who caught it.

  • beholder

    No of course not NTX. Institutional racism is not the same thing as not liking someone because of their color. It is understandable not to like white people very much, after everything that has been done over the past 500-700 years. But not liking white people is not the institutional racism that we can address politically. Institutional racism is what enabled there to be no non-white President until Obama, so a black man not liking Bush would not be a racist. Opposing Obama and violently defacing his image as a black man, is racist. Institutional racism — i.e. our conventions and systems — are entirely tilted toward the favor of whites, with black men only supposed to get rich entertaining the white man. That explains Bill Cosby, Tiger Woods, the NFL, the NBA etc.

  • NTX

    beholder…so, by your argument, any blacks who didn’t like Bush or any of the previous white presidents were racists? Care to explain that one? I am thoroughly disgusted at the misguided and inappropriate misuse of that word.

  • beholder

    Fortunately when the President was white people could discuss the bill on its merits rather than simply call its opponents racists.

    They were racists then and they are racists now. I cannot see how this has materially changed.

  • Evil White Person

    [Shadow Wold said] They are angry that the historic Healthcare Reform was passed by a “Black President” instead of a White Man.

    Wow, typical rhetoric from a devoted believer in SPLC tripe. The people who oppose the health care bill are the same ones who opposed Hillarycare when Bill Clinton was President. Fortunately when the President was white people could discuss the bill on its merits rather than simply call its opponents racists. Obama pushed for and signed the bill, but white socialist Pelosi was instrumental in jamming the bill thorugh congress. And the usual pile of lobbyists and their pet congressmen wrote the thing. So this was not the sole accomplishment of the Annointed One. The pitiful minds at the SPLC just can’t imagine that someone might oppose the health care bill for any reason other than that the President is half black.

    skinnyminny’s post was so incoherent I can’t even parse the thing.

  • NTX

    Shadow Wolf – I disagree with your statement, “…bare [bear?] in mind that the extremists on the Right really do not hold any rational arguments during their teaparties. They are angry that the historic Healthcare Reform was passed by a “Black President” instead of a White Man.”

    Did it ever occur to you that some individuals might be opposed to the “healthcare reform” on other grounds? I am extremely concerned about the fact that I have two elderly parents, as well as numerous elderly aunts and uncles, who are on Medicare. We have had to deal with Medicare fraud with respect to healthcare providers in our own family, so I know good and well that it’s all over the country. I saw a televised report recently (on CNN, I think) that highlighted problems with Medicare and Medicaid fraud. Unfortunately, it’s a scheme that is amazingly easy to pull off. The way I see it, unless and until we can lift a five-pound weight (Medicaid and Medicare), we have no business looking at a hundred-pound weight (nationalized healthcare).

    And hey, Shadow Wolf, I challenge you to find anything racist in my statement.

  • skinnyminny

    Thanks Shadow Wolf! Guess they won’t admit they’re being affected by the very same policies they created. And this ‘Evil White Person,’ I don’t know what his angle is, well, besides racism, again German ancestry!

    John McCain said during his campaign, “look, those jobs aren’t coming back.” Bush also said the jobs weren’t coming back.

    For Evil White Person to get people to go to the border is ridiculous. He should be telling them to preserve the gas in their vehicles. It is alleged he has good relations with politicians, then I think he should know better – this is a waste of taxpayer funds. And apparently, he’s not street smart – in other words, he can labeled a snitch…..”they set up a branch in my neighborhood…” are you kidding me? I guess this is his way of ‘taking the state back, block-by-block and street-by-street.’

    Sorry! I think he lost his street cred right there!

  • Shadow Wolf

    Good point SkinnyMinny, but bare in mind that the extremists on the Right really do not hold any rational arguments during their teaparties. They are angry that the historic Healthcare Reform was passed by a “Black President” instead of a White Man. The sole reason for their fears and anger is that they lost tremendous amount of power and status quos as the bitter White Man. And do not wish Equal Rights for White women, Minorities and Gay people. Despite the Founding Fathers motto as “All Men Created Equal”. There is sense of deep rooted racism/sexism embedded in the modern day extremists of the far Right. And its clear in many teaparties they hold anywhere.

  • Evil White Person

    At last, American citizens doing the job that illegal aliens (and the Federal government) won’t do. The unwillingness of my government to uphold its Constitutional obligation of protecting the various states from invasion is why we need the 2nd Amendment now more than ever.

  • skinnyminny

    Dave,

    Funny you should mention the jobs Americans won’t do won’t feed a family! Didn’t you know that the Republicans, more specifically, a female, was saying that children should get jobs like at McDonald’s so they can eat! The Republicans are saying no more welfare…..and you’re telling me that you don’t want just any ol’ job.

    Emmett,

    The problem with your argument, you can’t tell a Mexican, from El Salvadoran. You never mention that some of the guys were trained by our country. A fact strangely not mentioned by you, consummation of drugs by Americans, and attempting to pit the Latino against Black. You say full militarization of our borders, what difference would it make now? I think if you start taking emotions out of decisions, and think through what options you have, you wouldn’t get yourselves in such a pickle.

    Example, the ‘abortion’ arguement. The Right says that it’s Black babies being aborted – then, you say, “we want this to become a ‘white country’ for our people. Further argument, I’m not paying for an abortion, then it’s, I’m not supporting those mothers that have babies by different fathers……

    Wow, what an arguement – I am so confused!!!!

  • Emmett

    Alan Aardman said,

    “The existence of extremist armed groups such as this MCDC is a captivating argument for gun control.”

    And the existence of cutthroat (in a literal sense) MS-13 and Mexican cartels that got no problem killing even U.S consulate workers now (a fact strangely not mentioned by SPLC), is a captivating argument for full militarization of the border.

  • beholder

    We are a nation of laws. And we are also a nation of priorities in law enforcement.

  • Alan Aardman

    The existence of extremist armed groups such as this MCDC is a captivating argument for gun control.

  • Shadow Wolf

    Um…Leslie, You might want to leave Russia out. In fact, you’re right about India and China as being very competitive in the worldwide competition for trade and outsourcing of jobs going to those countries. Russia on the other hand is probably on the verge of another economic collaspe for various reasons that I have no time to post here. Americans should direct their anger where anger is due–at the White greedy capitalists who use the backs of illegal aliens for their own self-fish ends. As for the leader of the MCDC, it seems that she is calling for her members to engage in illegal deeds through murder or attempted murder of illegal aliens or “criminals”. Her very definition of “criminals” is vague, since the average simple border jumper isn’t a dangerous “criminal” for simply walking across the border with half of them women and children. Lest they forget that we are a nation of laws, calling for average citizens to engage in hunting down of illegal aliens, human beings of another country, or “criminals” is also a Federal offense and should be the job of the Border Patrol and Federal Agents do so. I personally do not care what MCDC does, since I am agaist Illegal Immigration but do not support these racist Natavists, but how they approach Illegal Immigration related issues in recent years is laughable. Just let the Feds and the Border Patrol do its job that it is designed to do.

  • beholder

    Yeah Dave it’s a good thing Skinnyminny called you out for your naughtiness. You know as well as I do that the border is not militarized — that would mean standing armies on US soil. We do use Low Intensity Combat (LIC) or paramilitary combat doctrine for immigration enforcement and border security, but that is about as far as the militarization gets.

  • Leslie

    It’s true that many jobs have been lost by outsourcing to other countries by U.S. corporations—which is unfortunately, perfectly legal. Not many people coming across the southwestern border from Mexico have the technical skills to compete with Russians, Indians, and Chinese for high paying white collar jobs. Agriculture in California is highly dependent on migrant workers who may or may not have papers but frankly, I haven’t met any Americans that want to pick strawberries in Salinas in the summertime.

    Vigilantes taking the law into their own hands are breaking the law and should be arrested—no exceptions.

  • dave

    I never voted for Bush .

    these jobs Americans dont want …wont support a family.
    Illegals help keep wages low…

    ….the criminal illegal element uses the law abiding mass of undocumented workers for cover….the regular illegal immigrants hep the criminal element hide and blend in to society….

  • NTX

    Correction…I meant to say, it cost the State of Texas hundreds of THOUSANDS of dollars to house his (Angel Maturo Resendiz’) mother and wife in Austin during his trial, and also to pay for his defense.

  • NTX

    Beholder, I beg to differ with a number of the statements you made in a previous post:

    [Beholder] “It is estimated that about 40% of the undocumented immigrants in our country came through legal channels, but merely overstayed their visa, didn’t leave when they lost their job (in the case of a work visa), etc. Those people committed no crime.”

    [Me] First of all, Could you please name your source for the 40% number? I think it is way too high. Secondly, do you really think that those who “simply overstayed their visas” aren’t doing any harm to this country? Many of those individuals have taken jobs and/or are still employed at jobs that citizens could do. The unemployment rate is so high in this country right now, that citizens could fill jobs vacated by “visa overstayers” immediately.

    [Beholder] Now if you want to spend billions or trillions of dollars on new detention facilities to go after some guy who is operating a leaf blower without a document, I think it is time to ask why is this such a priority?

    [Me] Again, I wonder where you got your cost figure – this time a nebulous figure of “billions or trillions of dollars”. Perhaps you are unaware of crimes that some day-laborers have committed, which have been very costly to the citizens of this country. The truth of the matter is, unless we as a country control to whom we allow entry, just about anyone can show up here. Please peruse the ICE website, and find “ICE’s Most Wanted”. Take a good look at those people, they come from all over the world, and check out the heinous crimes they have committed here. Some worked as day-laborers. In fact, here in TX, one of our most famous day-laborer murderers was Angel Maturino Resendiz, also known as the “railroad rapist”. This nice fellow killed up to 24 people, most with stones or blunt objects. He raped many, but not all, of his female victims. It cost the state if Texas state hundreds of dollars to house his mother and wife in Austin during his trial, and also to pay for his defense.

    [Beholder] Yes illegal entry (i.e. crossing a border without passing through customs or committing fraud to pass through customs) is a federal crime….
    [Beholder] They come here to work, not to commit crimes.

    [Me] Huh?

    [Beholder] (regarding persons in this country illegally) They are also net contributors to tax rolls, economic activity and wealth creation, and other factors which suggest benefits to our society…

    [Me] I disagree with this statement entirely. They may contribute to the GDP on the whole, but once you subtract the costs of the free healthcare they receive (as private hospitals across this country close), the costs of schooling and free meals for their “anchor babies” and other subsidies, the costs of incarcerating them if they commit crimes, etc. their net contribution is in the red. Basically what is happening here is that any businesses that hire persons illegally here, or churches that shelter them, get citizen tax dollars laundered through those persons. It’s country-wide graft and corruption at its worst.

  • skinnyminny

    Dave,

    Again, you’re being a bad boy! You’re blaming others for something they didn’t do.

    Remember the ‘Godfathers of immigration.’ Bush said, “they’re doing jobs Americans don’t want to do….stop being protectionists.”

    Instead of placing the blame on Bush and Cheney, you rewarded them with a second term! HaHaHa!

  • skinnyminny

    Carter,

    I absolute love your comment. You are 100% right! Another thing, I believe our government do need to intervene on our own groups – let’s just look at Mexico for an example – is this what we want the U.S. to be like? I don’t think so.

    And you are definitely right, the coyotes…have no fear of anything or anyone.

    As far as blaming the immigrants for job losses, why not place the blame on the corporations moving out of the country? Tell you what, if I had a corporation, and seeing the behavior and anger of SOME Americans, I would be scared to stay here – in other words, I’d leave too with my business.

  • dave

    Carter….you are offering a strong argument to fully militarize the border. Maybe that’s your intent…

    Illegal pop. in US = 6% of total pop……..illegal pop. in our prisons for crimes not related to immigration status, =about 30% of all our inmates.

    They commit A LOT of crimes…

  • Carter

    There ARE some dangerous individuals coming across the Boarder but it isn’t Mary or Joe who want to cross to get work for the coming Holidays.
    But if Mercer thinks her “Minutemen” are going to hold up against serious killers with their semi-auto rifles and their expensive .45′s then she’s going to have to tell their relatives that they bit off more than they could chew.
    ANYONE who lives near the Boarder know that the Coyotes and the drug cartel members have weapons from the Mexican Army, machine guns, Real Assault Rifles, and grenades. And these guys have used that stuff for REAL. Not like our Minutemen; posing in the mirror.
    There will be a tragedy, I’m afraid because these guys just aren’t in the same league as the REAL killers down there.
    Throw all the politics aside for one minute…… Those Cartel-Locos will eat their lunch after burying the pretend heroes of the wild west…..
    PLEASE do NOT go out there looking for trouble. You will find it and it’s just not worth your life to do with the ballot what will not be accomplished with the bullet.

  • beholder

    Yes illegal entry (i.e. crossing a border without passing through customs or committing fraud to pass through customs) is a federal crime.

    Illegal presence, however, which is being in the country without a valid visa, is not a crime. It is a civil infraction.

    It is estimated that about 40% of the undocumented immigrants in our country came through legal channels, but merely overstayed their visa, didn’t leave when they lost their job (in the case of a work visa), etc. Those people committed no crime.

    We are talking about approximately 5 million people.

    Now if you want to spend billions or trillions of dollars on new detention facilities to go after some guy who is operating a leaf blower without a document, I think it is time to ask why is this such a priority?

    All law enforcement works on priorities. Drug enforcement is better directed toward suppliers rather than users, for simple efficiency. Jaywalking or not obeying a neighborhood deed restriction on the number of trees in front of your house does not come before aggravated assault or criminal mischief.

    So why target immigrants?

    The fact is that immigrants, both documented and undocumented, commit statistically fewer crimes per capita than United States citizens. They come here to work, not to commit crimes.

    I anticipate that someone will go to FAIR or NumbersUSA and read that 30% of inmates in federal prisons are foreign nationals. This is true, because of the kinds of federal laws being enforced. However, state and local facilities account for 90% of the total incarcerated population in the country, and when you look at the entire detainment statistics, compared with Census figures, you will see that immigrants are more law abiding people, in general, than American citizens.

    They are also net contributors to tax rolls, economic activity and wealth creation, and other factors which suggest benefits to our society that go beyond the bloodthirsty screams of nativist militias who are so filled with hate that they no longer consider facts before forming their misguided opinions.

  • dave

    Unauthorized entry into the US is illegal, its a Federal crime.

  • Jack

    Beholder
    “A pathway to citizenship for undocumented immigrants that have committed no serious crimes and have been resident for 5 years”

    In other words, break our laws and we will reward you with citizenship.

    Not only is that an open border in practice, but I love how you lefties are all riled when a Republican breaks a law, but have no problem supporting the wholesale law breaking of your chosen group.

    GO MCDC! We need more like you!

  • beholder

    These dangerous vigliantes must be stopped. Democracy does not permit taking the law into your own hands, even if you feel — and I don’t — that DHS is not doing enough to secure the border.

    Facts are never part of these people’s thinking, but if you look at the apprehensions of undocumented immigrants in this country since Obama was elected, they have soared. In some cases, there are record numbers.

    What is going on in Arizona is extremely disturbing. Already here in Texas there some who would like to see similar events unfold, and even formerly tolerant officials such as the former mayor of Houston (Bill White) are now ratcheting up the rhetoric against immigrants in order to win votes in the Governor’s race.

    This is a highly emotional issue, and even normally tolerant people get upset over some of the exaggerations flying around. Nobody as far as I can see wants “open borders” — this is a right wing phrase to describe anyone who doesn’t want to set up a neo-Nazi border militia to shoot Latinos on sight. It’s the same as “pro-illegal”, which is akin to calling people who support the right of women to have a say over their bodies as “baby killers”.

    I urge the community of SPLC to face this issue head on. There is much being done to fix the broken immigration system, most notably a Comprehensive Immigration Reform bill that has as its key points:

    * A pathway to citizenship for undocumented immigrants that have committed no serious crimes and have been resident for 5 years
    * Admission of violating our nation’s laws and a penalty of $500
    * A requirement to speak enough English to get by

    Additionally we need to give serious attention to an overhaul of our immigration policies, because as long as the legal immigration line doesn’t move, people will continue to line up at the border and take their chances.

    One thing is certain: at no time in our nation’s history has it ever been in the public welfare to have armed bands of vigilantes taking the law into their own hands. They are putting themselves, other citizens, and people who are committing no more serious of an offense than a moving violation at risk of injury or death.

    These are not “concerned citizens”. These are people who are frustrated with the economic ruin in Arizona who feel righteous and vindicated by arming themselves and showing themselves to be more powerful than the rule of law. They must be stopped vigorously and our federal government must intervene to prevent their proliferation before they become a permanent menace.