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Nativists Work to Counter Sunday’s Pro-Immigrant March
As thousands of people prepare to rally in Washington, D.C., this Sunday for immigration reform, nativist extremist groups are unleashing their own campaigns to counter the event.
NumbersUSA today launched “S.T.O.P. Amnesty in Four Days,” a drive to derail any immigration reform package that includes a citizenship provision for undocumented immigrants. During the four-day campaign, NumbersUSA supporters will lobby members of Congress by faxing, calling and visiting their offices. The group, including its president and founder Roy Beck, will also have a presence at the march and will feature a live webcast of the event on its homepage.
Though NumbersUSA states on its website that it’s against immigrant-bashing, that’s apparently not true of all the group’s supporters. During last week’s NumbersUSA conference call to mobilize for S.T.O.P. Amnesty, one participant asserted that activists need to let Mexican immigrant women know that they are the new “welfare queens” because they rely on U.S. tax dollars to take care of their babies, according to the Colorado Independent. NumbersUSA’s director for social media marketing, Chad MacDonald, who was moderating the call, said he appreciated the point. “We will make a note of that,” he responded. “Thank you very much.” Another caller said the children of Mexican immigrants should be called dependents rather than babies. “They have dependents,” the caller said. “We have babies.”
Among those taking part in the S.T.O.P. Amnesty campaign is William Gheen’s Americans for Legal Immigration PAC (ALIPAC), which “will be working around the clock this coming weekend,” according to a news release from ALIPAC. The group is also planning its own opposition to the pro-reform march, urging people to sign up for “Tea Party Against Amnesty” protests nationwide on April 15. (ALIPAC organized a first round of anti-amnesty tea parties last November.)
In an E-mail today, the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) urged supporters to participate in a “three-step counter-strategy” by signing up for FAIR’s “Virtual March on Washington” and reaching out to their senators and representatives. (The Southern Poverty Law Center lists FAIR as a hate group in part because of its ties to white supremacists and their ideas.) FAIR also complained about the event in a news release Thursday titled “Law Breakers on Parade Again.”
FAIR officials aren’t the only ones painting marchers with a broad brush. On the National Review Online’s blog, Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) Executive Director Mark Krikorian on Thursday called the rally an “illegal-alien-palooza.” And in a Wednesday column on VDARE.com, a white nationalist hate site, FAIR board member Donald Collins referred to the event’s organizers as “the Treason Lobby.” In fact, the march is being sponsored by more than 100 diverse groups, including the AFL-CIO, the Kansas House of Representatives, and Catholic Legal Immigration Network Inc.
on March 19th, 2010 at 5:46 pm
Well, well, well! This wasn’t a big issue in 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008…and now, all of a sudden, it’s a problem!
I remember looking at television programs for flipping real estate/home improvement and other programs where Americans were bragging about the immigrants work harder than average Americans.
Oh, and no complaints when Americans were buying their new homes built by immigrants! No complaints when gardeners/moving companies employed immigrants! I recall listening to a radio talk show one day (can’t remember which one), but, a person called and said, “he love hiring the immigrants because they worked harder than blacks. They came to work (I guess implying blacks didn’t want to come to work), the immigrants didn’t complain…..”
But now, all of a sudden, they don’t want them here! Who’d have thought!
on March 22nd, 2010 at 2:48 am
The SPLC insists that people who entered the country illegally should get citizenship, and anybody opposed (the great majority of the American people) is a hater. But I have never heard the SPLC condemn Israel’s Jew only immigration policy. I don’t know Michael Potok’s or Steve Cohen’s personal views on this, but I do know that the SPLC will never publicly condemn Israel’s Jewish supremacism if only because they know they will lose 90% of their donor base if they do. (And that would also certainly piss off the SPLC’s sister organization, the ADL.)
The SPLC is also quick to label anybody who believes that jobs in America should go to American citizens (especially when we have 25 million unemployed people in this country) and anybody who is pro-environment and wants to stabilize our population is a “nativist”. I conclude that “nativist” must be a compliment.
I am also sick to death of hearing about how immigrants do the work that Americans won’t do. What they mean is “The flood of immigrants has reduced wages and benefits to the point where Americans who don’t want to live 20 to a trailer can’t afford to take the job.” Meat packers used illegal immigrants to bust unions and reduce wages and benefits. Construction companies have done the same thing. Companies have fired all their American programmers and replaced them with cheap Indian H1-b workers, who basically have to work as indentured servants. And the left favors this!
God Bless Roy Beck.
on March 22nd, 2010 at 9:11 am
Unions support Comprehensive Immigration Reform, as does the Chamber of Commerce.
That sounds about as good for industry as it can get.
on March 22nd, 2010 at 11:01 am
EWP,
Where does the SPLC insist that “people who entered the country illegally should get citizenship, and anybody opposed is a hater?”
on March 22nd, 2010 at 11:40 am
Question: What does advocating against amnesty for illegal aliens have to do with “hate”?
Answer: nothing.
As has been clear for some time now, the purpose of “Hatewatch” is not to keep an eye on the “hateful”, it’s to advance a radical left-wing agenda by smearing every person and organization that stands in the way of it.
on March 22nd, 2010 at 12:36 pm
“Oh, and no complaints when Americans were buying their new homes built by immigrants! No complaints when gardeners/moving companies employed immigrants!”
The complaints start later when they find the shoddy workmanship and roofs where 90% of the nails never make it into a rafter and their roof blows off in a storm.
I would NEVER hire a roofer or construction company that hired illegals. You get what you pay for cheap labor = cheap shoddy workmanship.
“Where does the SPLC insist that “people who entered the country illegally should get citizenship, and anybody opposed is a hater?”
They do it all the time by calling for amnesty (which is granting citizenship to those here illegally, by definition) and supporting other organizations that do the same and saying if you are against it you are part of a “hate group.”
They can “say” whatever they want, their intentions are made very clear by what and who they support.
Laughable.
on March 22nd, 2010 at 2:03 pm
The twelve million immigrants without legal residency in America are huge contributors to our economy. They add to our GDP with their industriousness, enterprise, and hard work, and legalization of their status will make it possible for them to continue to revitalize our country and awaken the “animal spirit” in our economy that John Maynard Keynes wrote about in reference to the heathy presence of competition in the workforce.
on March 22nd, 2010 at 3:25 pm
Well I’ll be darn! Seems the “haters,” just can’t admit they have been had! LOL! I guess this is the result of “re-education, and proof that it works (with some people, of course).
Again, people hear what they want to hear. Or, should I say through the yelling and bullying, people couldn’t put two-and-two together. Wait, in their case, should I say, one-and-two or one-and-one. The corporations have been saying for the last 10 years, they didn’t want to cover medical insurance, and retirements – remember? Yet, people are out protesting healthcare reform! Wow, this is funny!
The Republicans made no secret they wanted to ‘bust-up’ the unions for the past ten years. I remember seeing people protest in-sync that the union workers are over-paid. Now, let’s let common sense prevail – do you really think corporations are sensitive to the common workers’ needs – let’s say WalMart – didn’t they do everything to prevent unionizing?
I would suggest the people complaining about Illegal Immigrants and Jobs see this article “Paid Lying: What Passes for Major Media Journalism by Stephen” http://www.thirdworldtraveler......Media.html
***this tells how Faux News have screwed their viewers under the pretext that they ‘had their back.’
While you’re at it, visit corpwatch.org!!!!!
It’s sad how people that try to help you, example, the SPLC, you bad mouth them. I think I would call that ‘misdirected anger.’
on March 22nd, 2010 at 4:31 pm
“They do it all the time by calling for amnesty.”
Where Jack?
on March 22nd, 2010 at 6:03 pm
That’s right skinny minny just opened up a can of whoopass on you all: “phone tap” jack, endicutt endives and the EWP.
No misbehavin’, please. You know that it’s not nice to hate on immigrants.
on March 22nd, 2010 at 6:58 pm
beholder said: “The twelve million immigrants without legal residency in America are huge contributors to our economy.”
Illegal immigrants are already a huge burden on the social welfare systems of many states. Illegal immigrants have pretty much bankrupted California. Legalize them so they don’t even have to get fake id to collect welfare benefits and you’ll soon find just how much bigger a burden they can be. The main cultural contribution of illegal immigrants to my neighborhood is that we now have our own local branch of MS-13. Thanks a lot, all you open borders advocates.
on March 22nd, 2010 at 8:35 pm
Beholder,
Now it time for countdown. Rush Limbaugh said he would move to Costa Rica if healthcare reform passes.
Isn’t this funny, Costa Rica! Latin America! Not Europe? I’d say, the “illegal immigrants” as they call them, should tell the people in Latin America to block entrance to these haters.
This is just too funny! They hate non-whites and tout their European bloodlines, but, they run to Latin America! And we’re not talking about Spain, or Argentina…we’re talking Panama, Dominican Republic, Honduras, Mexico…..
Wow, watching this is better than watching my favorite commedians!
on March 22nd, 2010 at 9:18 pm
Those 100 diverse groups supporting illegal immigration make up an amazing smorgasbord of extremist left wing fruitcakes. There is of course the Hispanic nationalist National Council of La Raza, the American Jewish Committee (curiously, not demanding open borders for Israel), Brazilian Women’s Group (why the hell aren’t they located in Brazil?), Jewish Council on Urban Affairs (curiously, not demanding open borders for Israel), and various organizations that are apparently unaware that they are in an English speaking country (Asistencia Migratoria, Casa de Maryland, Centro para Familias Hispanas, Confederacion de Organizaciones de California y Clubes Oriundos de Michoacan, Democracia Ahora, El CENTRO de Igualdad y Derechos, Hispanos Unidos de Passaic, Jornaleros Unidos de Passaic, La Comunidad, INC, La Union del Pueblo Entero, Latinos del Norte de Portland). Lest you think I’m picking on Jews overmuch, plenty of left wing Catholic organizations are listed that also want to overpopulate my country. But my favorite organization on the list: Jobs for America Now. Ha ha ha!. For each of those 20 million illegal immigrants there are just three cases: he is on the dole (and you insist none of them are) or is making a living from crime (but only white nationalists are ever criminals) or he is taking a job that would otherwise be had by an American citizen. So which is it?
on March 23rd, 2010 at 6:46 am
Wait a second, you conservatives want to FORCE private companies to hire American citizens? Sounds like socialism to me.
on March 23rd, 2010 at 7:43 am
“The SPLC insists that people who entered the country illegally should get citizenship”
100% bullshit. Please point to an example of SPLC calling for any such thing.
You can’t because they haven’t. You are a pathetic liar. Thank you come again.
on March 23rd, 2010 at 8:11 am
Evil White Person said “I do know that the SPLC will never publicly condemn Israel’s Jewish supremacism if only because they know they will lose 90% of their donor base if they do. (And that would also certainly piss off the SPLC’s sister organization, the ADL.)”
I’ve been contributing to SPLC for over a decade. I wouldn’t give them dime one if it went to Israel.
Jews are good people, but the Israeli government isn’t. I don’t like apartheit, no matter who is doing it.
on March 23rd, 2010 at 8:28 am
The SPLC does NOT say that anyone against illegal immigration is a hater.
I emailed the SPLC on this issue a couple years ago. I asked them.
The problem is that these groups cannot seem to keep the haters out, which the SPLC has documented quite thoroughly.
For example, none of these groups are the least bit concerned about half a million WHITE illegals from Ireland and Eastern Europe. That tells me those groups are all about racism and not about the law.
on March 23rd, 2010 at 9:43 am
(EWP): Illegal immigrants are already a huge burden on the social welfare systems of many states.
(Me): Some states on the border have had a greater impact, but put in context, there is still a net gain to tax rolls through property tax, sales tax, income and FICA taxes (which may be paid with a federal taxpayer ID but are frequently not deducted or claimed), medicare taxes without entitlement, etc. That said, at local government the costs have tended to be higher.
(EWP) Illegal immigrants have pretty much bankrupted California.
(me): California is in tough straights, but a lot better off than neighboring Arizona where the strictest policies anywhere in the country against unauthorized immigrants have failed to stem economic collapse.
In fact, the labor provided by the immigrant populations in both these states has been very beneficial to home construction and agriculture, for example, which kept California’s economy running throughout all of the last decade.
What we are seeing with California’s fiscal deficit is the aftermath of recession, not immigration.
(EWP) Legalize them so they don’t even have to get fake id to collect welfare benefits and you’ll soon find just how much bigger a burden they can be.
(me) If welfare was as big of a draw as you say, you too would be entitled to claim these benefits. Clearly you can do much better by working hard.
Welfare fraud is not one of the greatest problems associated with immigrant populations. History has shown that low income American citizens are the primary beneficiaries of these social services.
Given that the immigrant population is very industrious, their presence in the workforce will add to tax revenue and alleviate rather than burden social services — this is just one of many benefits of legalization.
(EWP) The main cultural contribution of illegal immigrants to my neighborhood is that we now have our own local branch of MS-13. Thanks a lot, all you open borders advocates.
(me) That’s a cliched and bigoted point of view — all Latino’s are part of a Salvadoran expatriate organized crime syndicate? That sounds like what people said about the Cubans in the 1980s, even though they happen to be particularly hard working and successful immigrants.
Statistical fact is that immigrants — documented and undocumented — commit fewer crimes than American citizens. Immigrants have the motive to stay out of trouble to avoid the risk of deportation, and the Comprehensive Immigration Reform bill proposed would have zero tolerance for serious crime.
on March 23rd, 2010 at 11:39 am
The case the anti-American left has to make for more immigration is impossible: they must argue that America is better off INCREASING the number and percentage of poor people within our borders. It is a ludicrous assertion on its face, regardless of whatever statistics they manipulate to make it.
on March 23rd, 2010 at 9:38 pm
(EWP) The main cultural contribution of illegal immigrants to my neighborhood is that we now have our own local branch of MS-13. Thanks a lot, all you open borders advocates.
[beholder] That’s a cliched and bigoted point of view — all Latino’s are part of a Salvadoran expatriate organized crime syndicate? That sounds like what people said about the Cubans in the 1980s, even though they happen to be particularly hard working and successful immigrants.
A typical leftist tactic. First misstate what I said, and then call me a bigot. You should work for the SPLC. Did I say that all Latinos are part of MS-13? No. I did say that we would not have MS-13 in my neighborhood (or anywhere else in this country) had we actually enforced immigration law. That is a fact.
on March 23rd, 2010 at 9:44 pm
[Snorlax said'] ““The SPLC insists that people who entered the country illegally should get citizenship”
100% bullshit. Please point to an example of SPLC calling for any such thing.
You can’t because they haven’t. You are a pathetic liar. Thank you come again.”
Well, let’s look at the first paragraph of article at the head of this page:
“As thousands of people prepare to rally in Washington, D.C., this Sunday for immigration reform, nativist extremist groups are unleashing their own campaigns to counter the event.”
Here “immigration reform” means amnesty for illegal aliens, nothing else, That is what all those people were demonstrating about. That is a fact. By calling groups opposed to this “nativist extremists” it is pretty obvious where the SPLC stands on this — with the amnesty side. Indeed, anyone opposed to this must be a “nativist extremist”. You have failed reading comprehension.
on March 24th, 2010 at 12:34 am
Toddard, illegal immigration is primarily supported by the private sector, not leftist organizations. When workers face risks of being deported, they can not organize for better rights, wages, etc., which is why they are a perfect replacement for American workers from the eyes of business owners. Of course guys like you are always extolling the virtues of capitalism and free enterprise, so basically you’ve been shooting yourselves in the foot for years.
on March 24th, 2010 at 10:35 am
[EWP] A typical leftist tactic. First misstate what I said, and then call me a bigot.
[beholder] Oh, hasty induction to begin. You fail to describe how one perceived leftist’s tactic (mine) represents all leftists to the point it is typical. Thus there is no logic to it, because you are drawing a conclusion about a set with an insufficient sample. Secondly there was never an opportunity to “misstate” what you said: I reproduced your comment verbatim.
[EWP] Did I say that all Latinos are part of MS-13? No. I did say that we would not have MS-13 in my neighborhood (or anywhere else in this country) had we actually enforced immigration law. That is a fact.
[beholder] The origins of MS-13 coincided with the generally legal residency granted under human rights legislation during the 1980s, so this is not an example of illegal immigrants. Your statement is therefore incorrect. You also fail to explain how the enforcement of immigration law would address the crimes committed by gang members. Those crimes are treated through normal justice channels, distinct from any immigration or deportation process.
You should work for the SPLC. Did I say that all Latinos are part of MS-13? No. I did say that we would not have MS-13 in my neighborhood (or anywhere else in this country) had we actually enforced immigration law. That is a fact.
on March 24th, 2010 at 10:37 am
Ruslan’s observation is correct. The unions support legalization in America for the reason he states.
on March 24th, 2010 at 1:46 pm
And of course, the Spanish-speaking Medicaid “clients” or “recipients”.
Their calls are the most frequent. Everything from brain tumors (not emergent, so sorry) to pregnancy. Even though the recipients could easily ride a train back to Mexico IN ONE DAY – to get some medical condition (like brain tumor) paid for – they will hang around for months, calling and calling Medicaid. They are truly something.
And Mexico is truly something – bad.
Our young people must have their income examined by caseworkers using wage screens. Not so for illegals! They “self-certify”.
We’re just suckers to let this continue.
Signed,
Ex-Medicaid Employee
on March 24th, 2010 at 8:48 pm
[Ruslan Amirkhanov said] Toddard, illegal immigration is primarily supported by the private sector, not leftist organizations.
I would say that’s only half correct. Certainly many sectors of business favor illegal immigration because it provides them with a source of cheap, exploitable labor. But check out the videos and photographs of the amnesty rally they just had. (Available at the usual places – youtube and flickr.) Every imaginable crazy left wing group was there. Anarchists. Communists. People sporting Che Guevara T-shirts. Advertisements for the World Socialist Web Site. “Revolucion” posters and every other variety of raised fist leftist agitprop. The funniest thing is that Dick Armey and John McCain think these guys are going to vote Republican once they get their amnesty. At least the Democrats know better.
The protesters were told before the rally to fly only American flags, so as to fool us into thinking that this country is where their loyalties lie. But they couldn’t help themselves — innumerable Mexican and El Salvadorean flags were on display, as well as flags of African countries and every other corner of the world that illegal aliens come from. I did see one large American flag — deliberately flown upside down.
Now I know what all you liberals are saying, “Legalize them and then they can unionize and enjoy the legal protections that other Americans do.” But it’s not that simple. After the amnesty the whole world will be put on notice that America never, ever, enforces its immigration laws. So another 30 million illegals will come pouring across the borders. Businesses will just fire those uppity, expensive, newly legalized citizens (just as they fired the native born American citizens before them) and replace them with the new crop of exploitable, illegal immigrants. We know this because it has already happened. In 1986, during the Reagan administration, there was an amnesty for illegal aliens. We were told, “We’ll just give these few million people citizenship and then we’ll get serious about enforcing immigration law.” (It was just a few million back then.) The illegal aliens got their amnesty but of course immigration law was never enforced, and we now have far more illegal immigrants than ever before.
There are more than 6 billion people living outside of the United States. Probably a good third of them would come here if they could. So if you put no constraints on immigration, as both the left and the cheap labor corporatists at the Wall Street Journal insist, this will eventually be a country with 2 billion mostly very poor people in it. Be careful what you wish for.
Because this is not the future *I* want for my country, I am an evil nativist extremist. And a good thing, too. Many black Americans also see what’s going on, and as the group with the highest unemployment rate, and thus the ones most hurt by our lax immigration policies, most blacks oppose illegal immigration. I was unsurprised to see the very decent and fair minded Vanderbilt University professor Carol Swain demonized by the SPLC for her opposition to illegal immigration. Welcome to the club of evil nativist extremists, Prof. Swain.
on March 24th, 2010 at 9:24 pm
[ Ruslan Amirkhanov said} Wait a second, you conservatives want to FORCE private companies to hire American citizens? Sounds like socialism to me.
I believe a business operating within the United States must hire citizens or legal immigrants. As is in fact required by the current, never enforced, law. This is "socialism" only if you regard any sort of regulations on business at all as socialism.
on March 25th, 2010 at 7:33 am
beholder
Back up and see what you said about California.
You are truly unbelievable.
What is your stake in the invasion? Because that is what it is.
And many do make money off the illegals and immigrants.
Immigration attorneys, bilinguals in almost every profession…..
You can lie to yourself and lie by ommission, but there are many, many people who work for the government and we have seen facts and figures.
Just look at the school lunch program alone – 9 BILLION in 2007 or 2008. In our school district the number who qualify has gone up to over 50% in the last 10 years from somewhere in the 20% range.
This was published in our newspaper, but it is widespread.
on March 25th, 2010 at 7:39 am
Besides the school lunch program, there is the breakfast program and the after-school snack program.
I mean, what is important – preparing a sandwich for your child – or watching soap operas?
And if there is just NO money for extras (like lunches) why have children in America?
Because even the birth is paid for.
Though my children would need to have their wages scrutinized on wage screens, the illegals can “self-certify” their own poverty level.
How FAIR is that? And the Supreme Court says they want groups treated equally???????
on March 25th, 2010 at 8:05 am
EWP a the fanatical anti-health right is still calling the health care reforms “socialism” even though there is no public option (which was the smartest part of that original bill, by the way). Why is health care reform socialism but E-verify (the highly problematic and meddlesome database verification system) is not?
on March 25th, 2010 at 10:33 am
Yes, leftist organizations support illegal immigration – the Democratic Party, for instance. If you look at their voting record which is kept in detail on the website of Numbers, USA, you will see just how much they fall all over themselves trying to help illegals.
beholder
Have you worked for Medicaid? Of course, the agency heads want more “clients” to serve so that they can get a raise.
Go to work for Medicaid and see the dollars flowing – away from the poor Americans – and toward the illegals who shouldn’t get any coverage at all.
I have traveled to another country and took out a special policy to cover me overseas. Not so with our illegals. They can’t do that. They can be found with drugs, however.
on March 25th, 2010 at 6:39 pm
You are absolutely right medicare is defrauded daily. But you are dead wrong that undocumented immigrants are responsible. It’s hospitals rebilling and padding the bills for elderly people with extras, and you know it!
Shame on you!
on March 25th, 2010 at 6:41 pm
Granny you better rush in there and snatch that food out of the kids’s mouths! Man alive, what a vituperous commentator in our midst.
on March 25th, 2010 at 8:10 pm
beholder, the current health care bill is such a disaster that I wouldn’t call it socialism, I’d call it totalitarianism. What else can I say of a bill that fines you thousands of dollars if you choose not to buy health insurance? Suppose you are poor, reasonably healthy, and would rather spend your money on organic food than health insurance? The government says, “No can do.” I simply do not accept the premise of the left that the lowest form known of human life, politicians, have a better idea of how to spend my money than I do.
Anyhow, the bill is 2000 pages long so I’m sure there is not a single congressman who voted for it that has read the whole thing. As Nancy Pelosi infamously said, “We have to pass the health care bill so you can find out what’s in it.”
on March 26th, 2010 at 9:29 am
Nancy also said that ultimately the bill would bring health care costs down – by “urging” weight loss and healthier lifestyles. I sooo wouldn’t bank on that happening. But, she (a very wealthy woman who owns in the Napa Valley) should know how to save/earn money. Of course, most wealthy people do know how to make money, too – and they will be taxed and punished because of it.
Everyone who is successful is now the enemy and the big employers are threatening to move out of my Democrat-controlled state which prided itself on attracting business. Well, no more attracting now that our largest employer is threatening to leave.
Santa Rosa had a rally of 10,000 of them and there are websites called “Gang News” or something of that nature – and many of these gangs are terrorizing the public with shootouts in public places. And, of course, the gang members are not considered hate groups even though in my town one death was clearly racial.
Wake up and smell the coffee.
on March 26th, 2010 at 10:00 am
Look, Granny! There’s a public school kid with a nourishing hot lunch about to eat.
Hurry! Go snatch it!!
on March 26th, 2010 at 10:36 am
Another reason that the “Republicans” are so vehement (actually I am not in either party) is because some laws that are obviously not in our best interests are not being clarified or revised.
They are frustrated with that. I agee with them.
The majority of people are frustrated because our laws are not being changed fast enough.
on March 26th, 2010 at 1:36 pm
Hospitals should only provide service for those that are capable of paying, period.
If it is obvious they can’t pay they should get no service.
on March 27th, 2010 at 10:09 am
Having just purchased long-term care insurance, I agree with you, Jack.
For only $225 a month we are now covered up to $3,600 a month. And our premiums will never go up.
I think about those other peers of mine and know that aren’t thinking about this type of insurance at all. So, we help society by insuring ourselves and it is taken for granted.
on March 29th, 2010 at 5:15 pm
Jack said,
on March 26th, 2010 at 1:36 pm
Hospitals should only provide service for those that are capable of paying, period.
If it is obvious they can’t pay they should get no service.
————
Jack when you get hit by a bus while jogging and are unable to communicate the whereabouts of your social security number and credit card in the ER, perhaps you will have time to reflect on the wisdom of your comment in the lobby.
But then again, you might not.
on March 31st, 2010 at 12:59 pm
Sorry, I don’t jog and my wallet contains all that is necessary to establish that I am capable of paying my bill.
on March 31st, 2010 at 8:03 pm
What if someone knocks you over the head and takes your wallet. Are you going to trust triage to sort out that you are a citizen fast enough to save your life?
on April 1st, 2010 at 5:02 pm
Hei people, Happy Fool’s Day!
A man went into a bar in a high rise. He saw another man take a pill, take a drink, walk to the window and jump out. He flew around for a minute and zipped back into the bar.
As the amazed newcomer watched, the man repeated this twice more. Finally the man asked if he could have a pill. The flier said it was his last one. The man offered five hundred dollars to no avail, so he made a final offer of a thousand dollars. The man said that it was all he had on him.
The flier reluctantly gave in, took the cash, surrendered the pill, and turned back to the bar. The man took the pill, took a drink, went to the window, and jumped out only to fall to his death. The bartender walked over to the flier at the bar and, wiping a glass, said, “You sure are mean when you’re drunk, Superman.”
Happy April Fool’s Day!
on April 1st, 2010 at 5:09 pm
If they have to make a judgment call while they are finding out, they can bounce the people out as soon as they know they can’t pay. It’s not that hard to figure out.
It would save money and also make tons of them leave the country, win win.
on April 2nd, 2010 at 10:31 am
No Jack, The law will remain. Emergency rooms will stabilize the patient first, ask questions later. This is America Jack my boy and all your anti-American, unpatriotic sentiment won’t change it. The most you can hope for is a militia and a box of Budweiser to call your own.
on April 2nd, 2010 at 10:38 am
beholder
I worked sorting out just such situations. Just because the rare jogger without a wallet gets hit by a Mack truck and is taken to the hospital unconscious, does not mean that we must treat MILLIONS of illegals and PAY for their care.
You used a sweet image of an unfortuate American – we are assuming. What if the jogger is an illegal? What if he intentionally came here because he knows he can use our services for free? And what if he is a drug-smuggler who has a bullet in him? Or a young woman, living near the border (and I know this to be true) who comes over to have the baby and leaves the next day with the baby – but the entire hospital bill is paid for by us, even if there are complications and the bill runs in to the tens of thousands of dollars?
You truly need to go talk to managers at Medicaid.
on April 2nd, 2010 at 10:55 am
beholder
Have you been to an emergency room? They ask questions first and treat you later – if you are American.
on April 2nd, 2010 at 3:14 pm
The law is the law Granny. IfRead my lips: EMTALA.
In 1986 the law was enacted for all hospitals that receive Medicar, such that screening, emergency care and appropriate transfers are public entitlements. This entitlement is extended to all persons in the
A hospital must “stabilize” a patient with an emergency medical condition. This means screening for the emergency and providing the care without inquiring about your ability to pay.
Discrimination against national origin (i.e. undocumented immigrants) as a class is also prohibted by the United States Constitution, Amendment 14. If a hospital inquires as to documentary status, then refuses to treat the person under EMTALA guidelines, it represents a civil rights violation, and the client of the hospital is under no obligation to carry identification in the United States, and may not be compelled to identify themselves as a condition of treatment per the 5th Amendment.
The law states that if the results of a complaint investigation indicate that a hospital violated one or more of the anti-dumping provisions of §1866 or 1867 (EMTALA), a hospital may be subject to termination of its provider agreement and/or the imposition of civil monetary penalties (CMPs). CMPs may be imposed against hospitals or individual physicians for EMTALA violations.
What is an emergency under the Act?
(A) A medical condition manifesting itself by acute symptoms of sufficient severity (including severe pain) such that the absence of immediate medical attention could reasonably be expected to result in:
* placing the health of the individual (or, with respect to a pregnant woman, the health of the woman or her unborn child) in serious jeopardy
* serious impairment to bodily functions, or
* serious dysfunction of any bodily organ or part; or
(B) with respect to a pregnant woman who is having contractions:
that there is inadequate time to make a safe transfer to another hospital before delivery, or
that transfer may pose a threat to the health or safety of the woman or the unborn child.
on April 2nd, 2010 at 5:14 pm
TO Beholder:
“This is America Jack my boy and all your anti-American, unpatriotic sentiment won’t change it.”
What’s anti-American is folks like you that support, aid and abet criminals and then force us law abiding taxpayers to foot the bill.
Real Americans pick up their tab.
Wait until November and beyond, you have some change coming you ain’t gonna like.
“The most you can hope for is a militia and a box of Budweiser to call your own.”
Keep on thinking that. If you ever come anywhere near close to having what I have you will have done well.
“Budweiser?”
Sorry, I am not a fan of your drink of choice.
I prefer only German and Czechoslovakian imports.
Sam Adams maybe, but I would not use Budweiser to clean my floor.
on April 4th, 2010 at 9:51 am
Don’t you love how they like to categorize any who are against illegal immigration as “trailer trash”? The people I am friends with are for the most part college grads – some with advanced degrees – many worked in some capacity which opened their eyes to what was happening.
They are not all white.
And, of course, there is the group, “You Don’t Speak for Me” , led by a Hispanic American. Hispanic Americans against illegal immigration can’t get the media to give them an interview as one I know of has testified that she has tried over and over to get an interview – and they refuse her. She is very presentable – more than many interviewed on TV – well-dressed and well-spoken.
This is wrong.
on April 4th, 2010 at 12:50 pm
Laws can be changed. And laws which serve black Americans, Hispanic Americans, Native Americans, Asian Americans and White Americans are those which should be respected. If there is a huge percentage of “tourists” and they are here long after their “vacation”, then the hospitals should be able to seek compensation for their unpaid bills from the country the “tourist” came from and/or the individual, themselves. If there are millions of tourists overstaying their vacations – then it is no longer falling under the original intention of the laws and the language needs to be clarified.
on April 5th, 2010 at 10:52 am
“If there is a huge percentage of ‘tourists’ and they are here long after their ‘vacation’, then the hospitals should be able to seek compensation for their unpaid bills from the country the ‘tourist’ came from and/or the individual, themselves.”
GrannyofWhites said on April 4th, 2010 at 12:50 pm
Numbers? Where are the facts to support your argument. Yours is the fallacy of generalization, appealing to what is known. Undocumented immigrants have abused the law providing for emergency medical care in America, so therefore ALL do it, and therefore NO ONE ELSE does. Of course both conclusions are false: not every unauthorized immigrant uses the emergency room in ways you describe, nor have you considered the relative number of those who do, vis-a-vis the general population (citizens). Therefore I have torn your argument apart like a thanksgiving turkey and hand back the bones.
on April 5th, 2010 at 11:00 am
jack said, on April 2nd, 2010 at 5:14 pm
“Budweiser?”
Sorry, I am not a fan of your drink of choice.
I prefer only German and Czechoslovakian imports.
———–
Well Jack Rabid there’s a wee hole in your argument, if I don’t say so myself. Czechoslovakia has not existed since January 1, 1993.
For someone who prides himself one his crafty work at embassies in USSR and his vast knowledge of sovereignty (the Jack Rabid library is as extensive as any in militiaville, right next to the Guns & Ammo stack there’s a Holy Bible), you would expect a familiarity with the noble beers in the chilly aisle.
But I believe there are security cameras showing you taking home not these high brow foreign beers, but verily “the Champagne of Beers” in a thirty-can box on sale with a Sunday circular.
on April 5th, 2010 at 3:54 pm
No, beholder, your attempt to tear apart my argument is not based on facts and figures – just your words and your hopeful vision of something which is a pipe dream.
I worked for the government in a section which examined hospital bills.
on April 5th, 2010 at 4:05 pm
Now we are being labeled, “nativists”?
I repeat —– LABELED.
The reason they have switched to that term, is because increasingly those who object to illegal immigration are people of all colors – especially black.
No longer can they say it is “racist” to object to illegal immigration when black professors are some of those who are leading the defense of our country.
on April 5th, 2010 at 4:18 pm
We are the easy targets. Americans.
The UN has blamed us for everything imagineable.
Now, we are blamed daily by young Hispanics because some white person from Europe came here.
Actually, some Spanish men went to Mexico and it is Spain that Mexicans should blame. But they can’t hurt Spain. Spain is too far way. And many Mexicans are part Spanish and how can they blame themselves?
No, blame Americans – even though Americans already save much of the world’s children from starvation and ignorance.
on April 5th, 2010 at 4:41 pm
The City of LA Controller has issued a statement that the City will be out of money on May 5th. Cinco de Mayo.
It will actually be $10 Million in the RED.
on April 6th, 2010 at 9:23 am
Granny,
Not so fast. You were the proponent of the argument, and it is therefore incumbent upon you and you alone to substantiate your claims.
Thus far, you have established only that you worked in administration of medicare payments. This clerical work does not qualify you as an expert in Medicare fraud, or give you the liberty to accuse 11 million people of committing a crime without proof.
Now out with the facts or shut the pie hole. I will not tolerate nativist lies.
on April 6th, 2010 at 9:25 am
GrannyofWhites said,
on April 5th, 2010 at 4:41 pm
The City of LA Controller has issued a statement that the City will be out of money on May 5th. Cinco de Mayo.
It will actually be $10 Million in the RED.
——-
Sweet. Karl Marx’s birthday.
Well maybe LA can elect a Republican Comptroller — they seem to be pretty good at deficit spending.
on April 6th, 2010 at 9:42 am
So you are name-calling and labeling me a “nativist”. A tribal elder and genealogist stated that by looking at my genealogy I would be a member of an old tribe which was on the East Coast.
I have been doing the genealogy for that family and found it is a very large group – exceedingly large – I’ve barely begun and found around 350 members.
Keep calling me names and I shall continue working even harder.
on April 6th, 2010 at 1:04 pm
Beholder:
“Well Jack Rabid there’s a wee hole in your argument, if I don’t say so myself. Czechoslovakia has not existed since January 1, 1993.”
That is their heritage, it doesn’t change due to political maps. They were born when it was Czechoslovakia.
“or give you the liberty to accuse 11 million people of committing a crime without proof.”
They are ALREADY criminals by violating Federal Immigration law.
on April 6th, 2010 at 3:52 pm
Funny, how no one in the US objected when Mexico had strict laws about illegals. Laws that were much more extensive than ours. Illegals were not allowed to stage public protests and were often beaten and even raped by police.
I don’t recall any Americans making a fuss about the “nativists” in Mexico at that time.
on April 6th, 2010 at 5:24 pm
And I suppose jack in your world of summary justice and militia mindedness, that would make sense. But our Constitution guarantees “due process”, a term which may be unfamiliar to someone who has spent so much time in the USSR working for Uncle Sam. Are you sure you are not now, or have you ever been, sympathetic to the Communist Party?
on April 6th, 2010 at 5:27 pm
Granny until you can certify tribal membership for your Census declaration, all your talk of ancestry is so much blowing in the wind. Nobody cares about your ancestry (at least I don’t). What troubles me is your mentality of frankly un-American intolerance.
on April 7th, 2010 at 12:02 pm
beholder:
You simply use flaws in our system to support things like open borders. You use them like a knife to help destroy our Republic. No different than folks like the ACLU.
You are the enemy within. You talk big about supporting all these laws in one breath while using their loopholes and errors to tear us down.
You wish to see it fail so that you can replace it with your “utopia” of socialism.
No one can legitimately argue that the 14th was intended to allow rampant illegal immigration and anchor babies.
You know I have much more respect for Ruslan. He may be an enemy of our Republic but he openly admits what he is. You, on the other hand play this endless game, trying to look legally prim and proper when your true intent is anything but good.
on April 8th, 2010 at 9:23 am
For all the SPLC community, I found this site.
http://www.pfaw.org/rww-in-foc.....ion-reform
Here is a blow-by-blow of the common fallacies and tactics used by immigration restrictionists to obfuscate reasoned debate with racism, reduction to the absurd, slippery slopes, and straw men.
Very good work, highly recommended.
on April 9th, 2010 at 10:35 am
I see many young people who make postings about Nazis – everyone who is against illegal immigration is a Nazi these days.
The truth is, Hitler wasn’t even German until he became a German citizen – he was Austrian by birth.
He should teach us a lesson – not to follow “leaders” because they are persuasive.
beholder, you are a strange one. I question your motives.
Now, we are “immigration restrictionists”. Ok.
What I want to know is why all the Asians who can’t come here because we have already made citizens of so many Latinos – are completetly ignored?
Who is racist? I know who.
on April 9th, 2010 at 10:37 am
E-verify will help US win jobs for Americans.
The Chinese also tried to be a force – organizing a union – and it backfired on them, too.
on April 9th, 2010 at 10:46 am
‘You wish to see it fail so that you can replace it with your “utopia” of socialism.’
jack said, on April 7th, 2010 at 12:02 pm
You mean the ‘utopia’ that established in our country:
* public k-12 education
* public higher education
* public fire departments
* municipal health clinics and vaccination
* the weekend
* the 8-hour work day
* safe labor standards (OSHA)
* prohibition on child labor
* maternity leave
* workers compensation
* minimum wage
* unions and collective bargaining agreements
* municipal water and sanitation companies
* municipal garbage collection and waste management
Just to name a few contributions of socialism…
on April 17th, 2010 at 11:53 am
E-verify misses over half the people it is supposed to catch, according to a new study:
http://www.wpri.com/dpp/news/l.....f-the-time