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	<title>Comments on: Nativists Work to Counter Sunday’s Pro-Immigrant March</title>
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		<title>By: beholder</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2010/03/19/nativists-work-to-counter-sundays-pro-immigrant-march/comment-page-2/#comment-159207</link>
		<dc:creator>beholder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Apr 2010 16:53:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[E-verify misses over half the people it is supposed to catch, according to a new study:

http://www.wpri.com/dpp/news/local_news/providence-study-finds-everify-database-fails-to-catch-illegal-workers-over-50-percent-of-the-time]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>E-verify misses over half the people it is supposed to catch, according to a new study:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.wpri.com/dpp/news/local_news/providence-study-finds-everify-database-fails-to-catch-illegal-workers-over-50-percent-of-the-time" rel="nofollow">http://www.wpri.com/dpp/news/l.....f-the-time</a></p>
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		<title>By: beholder</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2010/03/19/nativists-work-to-counter-sundays-pro-immigrant-march/comment-page-2/#comment-157491</link>
		<dc:creator>beholder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Apr 2010 15:46:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#039;You wish to see it fail so that you can replace it with your “utopia” of socialism.&#039;
jack said, on April 7th, 2010 at 12:02 pm

You mean the &#039;utopia&#039; that established in our country:

* public k-12 education
* public higher education
* public fire departments
* municipal health clinics and vaccination
* the weekend
* the 8-hour work day
* safe labor standards (OSHA)
* prohibition on child labor
* maternity leave
* workers compensation
* minimum wage
* unions and collective bargaining agreements
* municipal water and sanitation companies
* municipal garbage collection and waste management

Just to name a few contributions of socialism...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;You wish to see it fail so that you can replace it with your “utopia” of socialism.&#8217;<br />
jack said, on April 7th, 2010 at 12:02 pm</p>
<p>You mean the &#8216;utopia&#8217; that established in our country:</p>
<p>* public k-12 education<br />
* public higher education<br />
* public fire departments<br />
* municipal health clinics and vaccination<br />
* the weekend<br />
* the 8-hour work day<br />
* safe labor standards (OSHA)<br />
* prohibition on child labor<br />
* maternity leave<br />
* workers compensation<br />
* minimum wage<br />
* unions and collective bargaining agreements<br />
* municipal water and sanitation companies<br />
* municipal garbage collection and waste management</p>
<p>Just to name a few contributions of socialism&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: GrannyofWhites</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2010/03/19/nativists-work-to-counter-sundays-pro-immigrant-march/comment-page-2/#comment-157486</link>
		<dc:creator>GrannyofWhites</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Apr 2010 15:37:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[E-verify will help US win jobs for Americans.

The Chinese also tried to be a force - organizing a union - and it backfired on them, too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>E-verify will help US win jobs for Americans.</p>
<p>The Chinese also tried to be a force &#8211; organizing a union &#8211; and it backfired on them, too.</p>
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		<title>By: GrannyofWhites</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2010/03/19/nativists-work-to-counter-sundays-pro-immigrant-march/comment-page-2/#comment-157485</link>
		<dc:creator>GrannyofWhites</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Apr 2010 15:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I see many young people who make postings about Nazis - everyone who is against illegal immigration is a Nazi these days.
The truth is, Hitler wasn&#039;t even German until he became a German citizen - he was Austrian by birth.
He should teach us a lesson - not to follow &quot;leaders&quot; because they are persuasive.
beholder, you are a strange one.  I question your motives.
Now, we are &quot;immigration restrictionists&quot;.  Ok.
What I want to know is why all the Asians who can&#039;t come here because we have already made citizens of so many Latinos - are completetly ignored?  
Who is racist?  I know who.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see many young people who make postings about Nazis &#8211; everyone who is against illegal immigration is a Nazi these days.<br />
The truth is, Hitler wasn&#8217;t even German until he became a German citizen &#8211; he was Austrian by birth.<br />
He should teach us a lesson &#8211; not to follow &#8220;leaders&#8221; because they are persuasive.<br />
beholder, you are a strange one.  I question your motives.<br />
Now, we are &#8220;immigration restrictionists&#8221;.  Ok.<br />
What I want to know is why all the Asians who can&#8217;t come here because we have already made citizens of so many Latinos &#8211; are completetly ignored?<br />
Who is racist?  I know who.</p>
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		<title>By: beholder</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2010/03/19/nativists-work-to-counter-sundays-pro-immigrant-march/comment-page-2/#comment-157212</link>
		<dc:creator>beholder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2010 14:23:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For all the SPLC community, I found this site. 

http://www.pfaw.org/rww-in-focus/previewing-the-right-wing-playbook-immigration-reform

Here is a blow-by-blow of the common fallacies and tactics used by immigration restrictionists to obfuscate reasoned debate with racism, reduction to the absurd, slippery slopes, and straw men.

Very good work, highly recommended.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For all the SPLC community, I found this site. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.pfaw.org/rww-in-focus/previewing-the-right-wing-playbook-immigration-reform" rel="nofollow">http://www.pfaw.org/rww-in-foc.....ion-reform</a></p>
<p>Here is a blow-by-blow of the common fallacies and tactics used by immigration restrictionists to obfuscate reasoned debate with racism, reduction to the absurd, slippery slopes, and straw men.</p>
<p>Very good work, highly recommended.</p>
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		<title>By: jack</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2010/03/19/nativists-work-to-counter-sundays-pro-immigrant-march/comment-page-2/#comment-157026</link>
		<dc:creator>jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Apr 2010 17:02:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[beholder:
You simply use flaws in our system to support things like open borders. You use them like a knife to help destroy our Republic. No different than folks like the ACLU.
You are the enemy within. You talk big about supporting all these laws in one breath while using their loopholes and errors to tear us down.
You wish to see it fail so that you can replace it with your &quot;utopia&quot; of socialism.

No one can legitimately argue that the 14th was intended to allow rampant illegal immigration and anchor babies.

You know I have much more respect for Ruslan. He may be an enemy of our Republic but he openly admits what he is. You, on the other hand play this endless game, trying to look legally prim and proper when your true intent is anything but good.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>beholder:<br />
You simply use flaws in our system to support things like open borders. You use them like a knife to help destroy our Republic. No different than folks like the ACLU.<br />
You are the enemy within. You talk big about supporting all these laws in one breath while using their loopholes and errors to tear us down.<br />
You wish to see it fail so that you can replace it with your &#8220;utopia&#8221; of socialism.</p>
<p>No one can legitimately argue that the 14th was intended to allow rampant illegal immigration and anchor babies.</p>
<p>You know I have much more respect for Ruslan. He may be an enemy of our Republic but he openly admits what he is. You, on the other hand play this endless game, trying to look legally prim and proper when your true intent is anything but good.</p>
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		<title>By: beholder</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2010/03/19/nativists-work-to-counter-sundays-pro-immigrant-march/comment-page-2/#comment-156898</link>
		<dc:creator>beholder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 22:27:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Granny until you can certify tribal membership for your Census declaration, all your talk of ancestry is so much blowing in the wind. Nobody cares about your ancestry (at least I don&#039;t). What troubles me is your mentality of frankly un-American intolerance.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Granny until you can certify tribal membership for your Census declaration, all your talk of ancestry is so much blowing in the wind. Nobody cares about your ancestry (at least I don&#8217;t). What troubles me is your mentality of frankly un-American intolerance.</p>
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		<title>By: beholder</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2010/03/19/nativists-work-to-counter-sundays-pro-immigrant-march/comment-page-2/#comment-156897</link>
		<dc:creator>beholder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 22:24:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And I suppose jack in your world of summary justice and militia mindedness, that would make sense. But our Constitution guarantees &quot;due process&quot;, a term which may be unfamiliar to someone who has spent so much time in the USSR working for Uncle Sam. Are you sure you are not now, or have you ever been, sympathetic to the Communist Party?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I suppose jack in your world of summary justice and militia mindedness, that would make sense. But our Constitution guarantees &#8220;due process&#8221;, a term which may be unfamiliar to someone who has spent so much time in the USSR working for Uncle Sam. Are you sure you are not now, or have you ever been, sympathetic to the Communist Party?</p>
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		<title>By: GrannyofWhites</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2010/03/19/nativists-work-to-counter-sundays-pro-immigrant-march/comment-page-2/#comment-156874</link>
		<dc:creator>GrannyofWhites</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 20:52:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Funny, how no one in the US objected when Mexico had strict laws about illegals.  Laws that were much more extensive than ours.  Illegals were not allowed to stage public protests and were often beaten and even raped by police.
I don&#039;t recall any Americans making a fuss about the &quot;nativists&quot;  in Mexico at that time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny, how no one in the US objected when Mexico had strict laws about illegals.  Laws that were much more extensive than ours.  Illegals were not allowed to stage public protests and were often beaten and even raped by police.<br />
I don&#8217;t recall any Americans making a fuss about the &#8220;nativists&#8221;  in Mexico at that time.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2010/03/19/nativists-work-to-counter-sundays-pro-immigrant-march/comment-page-2/#comment-156842</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 18:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Beholder:
&quot;Well Jack Rabid there’s a wee hole in your argument, if I don’t say so myself. Czechoslovakia has not existed since January 1, 1993.&quot;

That is their heritage, it doesn&#039;t change due to political maps. They were born when it was Czechoslovakia.

&quot;or give you the liberty to accuse 11 million people of committing a crime without proof.&quot;
They are ALREADY criminals by violating Federal Immigration law.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beholder:<br />
&#8220;Well Jack Rabid there’s a wee hole in your argument, if I don’t say so myself. Czechoslovakia has not existed since January 1, 1993.&#8221;</p>
<p>That is their heritage, it doesn&#8217;t change due to political maps. They were born when it was Czechoslovakia.</p>
<p>&#8220;or give you the liberty to accuse 11 million people of committing a crime without proof.&#8221;<br />
They are ALREADY criminals by violating Federal Immigration law.</p>
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		<title>By: GrannyofWhites</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2010/03/19/nativists-work-to-counter-sundays-pro-immigrant-march/comment-page-2/#comment-156798</link>
		<dc:creator>GrannyofWhites</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 14:42:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So you are name-calling and labeling me a &quot;nativist&quot;.  A tribal elder and genealogist stated that by looking at my genealogy I would be a member of an old tribe which was on the East Coast.

I have been doing the genealogy for that family and found it is a very large group - exceedingly large - I&#039;ve barely begun and found around 350 members.  

Keep calling me names and I shall continue working even harder.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So you are name-calling and labeling me a &#8220;nativist&#8221;.  A tribal elder and genealogist stated that by looking at my genealogy I would be a member of an old tribe which was on the East Coast.</p>
<p>I have been doing the genealogy for that family and found it is a very large group &#8211; exceedingly large &#8211; I&#8217;ve barely begun and found around 350 members.  </p>
<p>Keep calling me names and I shall continue working even harder.</p>
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		<title>By: beholder</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2010/03/19/nativists-work-to-counter-sundays-pro-immigrant-march/comment-page-2/#comment-156790</link>
		<dc:creator>beholder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 14:25:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[GrannyofWhites said, 


on April 5th, 2010 at 4:41 pm

The City of LA Controller has issued a statement that the City will be out of money on May 5th. Cinco de Mayo.
It will actually be $10 Million in the RED.
-------

Sweet. Karl Marx&#039;s birthday.

Well maybe LA can elect a Republican Comptroller -- they seem to be pretty good at deficit spending.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GrannyofWhites said, </p>
<p>on April 5th, 2010 at 4:41 pm</p>
<p>The City of LA Controller has issued a statement that the City will be out of money on May 5th. Cinco de Mayo.<br />
It will actually be $10 Million in the RED.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>Sweet. Karl Marx&#8217;s birthday.</p>
<p>Well maybe LA can elect a Republican Comptroller &#8212; they seem to be pretty good at deficit spending.</p>
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		<title>By: beholder</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2010/03/19/nativists-work-to-counter-sundays-pro-immigrant-march/comment-page-2/#comment-156788</link>
		<dc:creator>beholder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 14:23:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Granny,

Not so fast. You were the proponent of the argument, and it is therefore incumbent upon you and you alone to substantiate your claims.

Thus far, you have established only that you worked in administration of medicare payments. This clerical work does not qualify you as an expert in Medicare fraud, or give you the liberty to accuse 11 million people of committing a crime without proof.

Now out with the facts or shut the pie hole. I will not tolerate nativist lies.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Granny,</p>
<p>Not so fast. You were the proponent of the argument, and it is therefore incumbent upon you and you alone to substantiate your claims.</p>
<p>Thus far, you have established only that you worked in administration of medicare payments. This clerical work does not qualify you as an expert in Medicare fraud, or give you the liberty to accuse 11 million people of committing a crime without proof.</p>
<p>Now out with the facts or shut the pie hole. I will not tolerate nativist lies.</p>
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		<title>By: GrannyofWhites</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2010/03/19/nativists-work-to-counter-sundays-pro-immigrant-march/comment-page-2/#comment-156639</link>
		<dc:creator>GrannyofWhites</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Apr 2010 21:41:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The City of LA Controller has issued a statement that the City will be out of money on May 5th.  Cinco de Mayo.  
It will actually be $10 Million in the RED.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The City of LA Controller has issued a statement that the City will be out of money on May 5th.  Cinco de Mayo.<br />
It will actually be $10 Million in the RED.</p>
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		<title>By: GrannyofWhites</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2010/03/19/nativists-work-to-counter-sundays-pro-immigrant-march/comment-page-2/#comment-156634</link>
		<dc:creator>GrannyofWhites</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Apr 2010 21:18:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We are the easy targets.  Americans.
The UN has blamed us for everything imagineable.
Now, we are blamed daily by young Hispanics because some white person from Europe came here.
Actually, some Spanish men went to Mexico and it is Spain that Mexicans should blame.  But they can&#039;t hurt Spain.  Spain is too far way.  And many Mexicans are part Spanish and how can they blame themselves?
No, blame Americans - even though Americans already save much of the world&#039;s children from starvation and ignorance.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are the easy targets.  Americans.<br />
The UN has blamed us for everything imagineable.<br />
Now, we are blamed daily by young Hispanics because some white person from Europe came here.<br />
Actually, some Spanish men went to Mexico and it is Spain that Mexicans should blame.  But they can&#8217;t hurt Spain.  Spain is too far way.  And many Mexicans are part Spanish and how can they blame themselves?<br />
No, blame Americans &#8211; even though Americans already save much of the world&#8217;s children from starvation and ignorance.</p>
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		<title>By: GrannyofWhites</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2010/03/19/nativists-work-to-counter-sundays-pro-immigrant-march/comment-page-2/#comment-156631</link>
		<dc:creator>GrannyofWhites</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Apr 2010 21:05:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Now we are being labeled, &quot;nativists&quot;? 
I repeat ----- LABELED.
The reason they have switched to that term, is because increasingly those who object to illegal immigration are people of all colors - especially black.
No longer can they say it is &quot;racist&quot; to object to illegal immigration when black professors are some of those who are leading the defense of our country.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now we are being labeled, &#8220;nativists&#8221;?<br />
I repeat &#8212;&#8211; LABELED.<br />
The reason they have switched to that term, is because increasingly those who object to illegal immigration are people of all colors &#8211; especially black.<br />
No longer can they say it is &#8220;racist&#8221; to object to illegal immigration when black professors are some of those who are leading the defense of our country.</p>
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		<title>By: GrannyofWhites</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2010/03/19/nativists-work-to-counter-sundays-pro-immigrant-march/comment-page-2/#comment-156630</link>
		<dc:creator>GrannyofWhites</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Apr 2010 20:54:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No, beholder, your attempt to tear apart my argument is not based on facts and figures - just your words and your hopeful vision of something which is a pipe dream.
I worked for the government in a section which examined hospital bills.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, beholder, your attempt to tear apart my argument is not based on facts and figures &#8211; just your words and your hopeful vision of something which is a pipe dream.<br />
I worked for the government in a section which examined hospital bills.</p>
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		<title>By: beholder</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2010/03/19/nativists-work-to-counter-sundays-pro-immigrant-march/comment-page-2/#comment-156571</link>
		<dc:creator>beholder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Apr 2010 16:00:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[jack said, on April 2nd, 2010 at 5:14 pm

“Budweiser?”
Sorry, I am not a fan of your drink of choice.
I prefer only German and Czechoslovakian imports.
-----------

Well Jack Rabid there&#039;s a wee hole in your argument, if I don&#039;t say so myself. Czechoslovakia has not existed since January 1, 1993.

For someone who prides himself one his crafty work at embassies in USSR and his vast knowledge of sovereignty (the Jack Rabid library is as extensive as any in militiaville, right next to the Guns &amp; Ammo stack there&#039;s a Holy Bible), you would expect a familiarity with the noble beers in the chilly aisle.

But I believe there are security cameras showing you taking home not these high brow foreign beers, but verily &quot;the Champagne of Beers&quot; in a thirty-can box on sale with a Sunday circular.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jack said, on April 2nd, 2010 at 5:14 pm</p>
<p>“Budweiser?”<br />
Sorry, I am not a fan of your drink of choice.<br />
I prefer only German and Czechoslovakian imports.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>Well Jack Rabid there&#8217;s a wee hole in your argument, if I don&#8217;t say so myself. Czechoslovakia has not existed since January 1, 1993.</p>
<p>For someone who prides himself one his crafty work at embassies in USSR and his vast knowledge of sovereignty (the Jack Rabid library is as extensive as any in militiaville, right next to the Guns &amp; Ammo stack there&#8217;s a Holy Bible), you would expect a familiarity with the noble beers in the chilly aisle.</p>
<p>But I believe there are security cameras showing you taking home not these high brow foreign beers, but verily &#8220;the Champagne of Beers&#8221; in a thirty-can box on sale with a Sunday circular.</p>
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		<title>By: beholder</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2010/03/19/nativists-work-to-counter-sundays-pro-immigrant-march/comment-page-2/#comment-156568</link>
		<dc:creator>beholder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Apr 2010 15:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;If there is a huge percentage of &#039;tourists&#039; and they are here long after their &#039;vacation&#039;, then the hospitals should be able to seek compensation for their unpaid bills from the country the &#039;tourist&#039; came from and/or the individual, themselves.&quot;
GrannyofWhites said on April 4th, 2010 at 12:50 pm


Numbers? Where are the facts to support your argument. Yours is the fallacy of generalization, appealing to what is known. Undocumented immigrants have abused the law providing for emergency medical care in America, so therefore ALL do it, and therefore NO ONE ELSE does. Of course both conclusions are false: not every unauthorized immigrant uses the emergency room in ways you describe, nor have you considered the relative number of those who do, vis-a-vis the general population (citizens). Therefore I have torn your argument apart like a thanksgiving turkey and hand back the bones.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If there is a huge percentage of &#8216;tourists&#8217; and they are here long after their &#8216;vacation&#8217;, then the hospitals should be able to seek compensation for their unpaid bills from the country the &#8216;tourist&#8217; came from and/or the individual, themselves.&#8221;<br />
GrannyofWhites said on April 4th, 2010 at 12:50 pm</p>
<p>Numbers? Where are the facts to support your argument. Yours is the fallacy of generalization, appealing to what is known. Undocumented immigrants have abused the law providing for emergency medical care in America, so therefore ALL do it, and therefore NO ONE ELSE does. Of course both conclusions are false: not every unauthorized immigrant uses the emergency room in ways you describe, nor have you considered the relative number of those who do, vis-a-vis the general population (citizens). Therefore I have torn your argument apart like a thanksgiving turkey and hand back the bones.</p>
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		<title>By: GrannyofWhites</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2010/03/19/nativists-work-to-counter-sundays-pro-immigrant-march/comment-page-2/#comment-156370</link>
		<dc:creator>GrannyofWhites</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Apr 2010 17:50:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Laws can be changed.  And laws which serve black Americans, Hispanic Americans, Native Americans, Asian Americans and White Americans are those which should be respected.  If there is a huge percentage of &quot;tourists&quot; and they are here long after their &quot;vacation&quot;, then the hospitals should be able to seek compensation for their unpaid bills from the country the &quot;tourist&quot; came from and/or the individual, themselves.  If there are millions of tourists overstaying their vacations - then it is no longer falling under the original intention of the laws and the language needs to be clarified.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laws can be changed.  And laws which serve black Americans, Hispanic Americans, Native Americans, Asian Americans and White Americans are those which should be respected.  If there is a huge percentage of &#8220;tourists&#8221; and they are here long after their &#8220;vacation&#8221;, then the hospitals should be able to seek compensation for their unpaid bills from the country the &#8220;tourist&#8221; came from and/or the individual, themselves.  If there are millions of tourists overstaying their vacations &#8211; then it is no longer falling under the original intention of the laws and the language needs to be clarified.</p>
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		<title>By: GrannyofWhites</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2010/03/19/nativists-work-to-counter-sundays-pro-immigrant-march/comment-page-1/#comment-156346</link>
		<dc:creator>GrannyofWhites</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Apr 2010 14:51:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Don&#039;t you love how they like to categorize any who are against illegal immigration as &quot;trailer trash&quot;?  The people I am friends with are for the most part college grads - some with advanced degrees - many worked in some capacity which opened their eyes to what was happening.
They are not all white.
And, of course, there is the group, &quot;You Don&#039;t Speak for Me&quot; , led by a Hispanic American.  Hispanic Americans against illegal immigration can&#039;t get the media to give them an interview as one I know of has testified that she has tried over and over to get an interview - and they refuse her.  She is very presentable - more than many interviewed on TV - well-dressed and well-spoken.  
This is wrong.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t you love how they like to categorize any who are against illegal immigration as &#8220;trailer trash&#8221;?  The people I am friends with are for the most part college grads &#8211; some with advanced degrees &#8211; many worked in some capacity which opened their eyes to what was happening.<br />
They are not all white.<br />
And, of course, there is the group, &#8220;You Don&#8217;t Speak for Me&#8221; , led by a Hispanic American.  Hispanic Americans against illegal immigration can&#8217;t get the media to give them an interview as one I know of has testified that she has tried over and over to get an interview &#8211; and they refuse her.  She is very presentable &#8211; more than many interviewed on TV &#8211; well-dressed and well-spoken.<br />
This is wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: jack</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2010/03/19/nativists-work-to-counter-sundays-pro-immigrant-march/comment-page-1/#comment-156041</link>
		<dc:creator>jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Apr 2010 22:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[TO Beholder:
&quot;This is America Jack my boy and all your anti-American, unpatriotic sentiment won’t change it.&quot;
What&#039;s anti-American is folks like you that support, aid and abet criminals and then force us law abiding taxpayers to foot the bill.
Real Americans pick up their tab.
Wait until November and beyond, you have some change coming you ain&#039;t gonna like.

&quot;The most you can hope for is a militia and a box of Budweiser to call your own.&quot;
Keep on thinking that. If you ever come anywhere near close to having what I have you will have done well.

&quot;Budweiser?&quot;
Sorry, I am not a fan of your drink of choice.
I prefer only German and Czechoslovakian imports.
Sam Adams maybe, but I would not use Budweiser to clean my floor.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TO Beholder:<br />
&#8220;This is America Jack my boy and all your anti-American, unpatriotic sentiment won’t change it.&#8221;<br />
What&#8217;s anti-American is folks like you that support, aid and abet criminals and then force us law abiding taxpayers to foot the bill.<br />
Real Americans pick up their tab.<br />
Wait until November and beyond, you have some change coming you ain&#8217;t gonna like.</p>
<p>&#8220;The most you can hope for is a militia and a box of Budweiser to call your own.&#8221;<br />
Keep on thinking that. If you ever come anywhere near close to having what I have you will have done well.</p>
<p>&#8220;Budweiser?&#8221;<br />
Sorry, I am not a fan of your drink of choice.<br />
I prefer only German and Czechoslovakian imports.<br />
Sam Adams maybe, but I would not use Budweiser to clean my floor.</p>
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		<title>By: beholder</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2010/03/19/nativists-work-to-counter-sundays-pro-immigrant-march/comment-page-1/#comment-155999</link>
		<dc:creator>beholder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Apr 2010 20:14:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The law is the law Granny. IfRead my lips: EMTALA.

In 1986 the law was enacted for all hospitals that receive Medicar, such that screening, emergency care and appropriate transfers are public entitlements. This entitlement is extended to all persons in the 

A hospital must &quot;stabilize&quot; a patient with an emergency medical condition. This means screening for the emergency and providing the care without inquiring about your ability to pay.

Discrimination against national origin (i.e. undocumented immigrants) as a class is also prohibted by the United States Constitution, Amendment 14. If a hospital inquires as to documentary status, then refuses to treat the person under EMTALA guidelines, it represents a civil rights violation, and the client of the hospital is under no obligation to carry identification in the United States, and may not be compelled to identify themselves as a condition of treatment per the 5th Amendment.

The law states that if the results of a complaint investigation indicate that a hospital violated one or more of the anti-dumping provisions of §1866 or 1867 (EMTALA), a hospital may be subject to termination of its provider agreement and/or the imposition of civil monetary penalties (CMPs). CMPs may be imposed against hospitals or individual physicians for EMTALA violations.

What is an emergency under the Act?

(A) A medical condition manifesting itself by acute symptoms of sufficient severity (including severe pain) such that the absence of immediate medical attention could reasonably be expected to result in:

* placing the health of the individual (or, with respect to a pregnant woman, the health of the woman or her unborn child) in serious jeopardy

* serious impairment to bodily functions, or

* serious dysfunction of any bodily organ or part; or

(B) with respect to a pregnant woman who is having contractions:

that there is inadequate time to make a safe transfer to another hospital before delivery, or

that transfer may pose a threat to the health or safety of the woman or the unborn child.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The law is the law Granny. IfRead my lips: EMTALA.</p>
<p>In 1986 the law was enacted for all hospitals that receive Medicar, such that screening, emergency care and appropriate transfers are public entitlements. This entitlement is extended to all persons in the </p>
<p>A hospital must &#8220;stabilize&#8221; a patient with an emergency medical condition. This means screening for the emergency and providing the care without inquiring about your ability to pay.</p>
<p>Discrimination against national origin (i.e. undocumented immigrants) as a class is also prohibted by the United States Constitution, Amendment 14. If a hospital inquires as to documentary status, then refuses to treat the person under EMTALA guidelines, it represents a civil rights violation, and the client of the hospital is under no obligation to carry identification in the United States, and may not be compelled to identify themselves as a condition of treatment per the 5th Amendment.</p>
<p>The law states that if the results of a complaint investigation indicate that a hospital violated one or more of the anti-dumping provisions of §1866 or 1867 (EMTALA), a hospital may be subject to termination of its provider agreement and/or the imposition of civil monetary penalties (CMPs). CMPs may be imposed against hospitals or individual physicians for EMTALA violations.</p>
<p>What is an emergency under the Act?</p>
<p>(A) A medical condition manifesting itself by acute symptoms of sufficient severity (including severe pain) such that the absence of immediate medical attention could reasonably be expected to result in:</p>
<p>* placing the health of the individual (or, with respect to a pregnant woman, the health of the woman or her unborn child) in serious jeopardy</p>
<p>* serious impairment to bodily functions, or</p>
<p>* serious dysfunction of any bodily organ or part; or</p>
<p>(B) with respect to a pregnant woman who is having contractions:</p>
<p>that there is inadequate time to make a safe transfer to another hospital before delivery, or</p>
<p>that transfer may pose a threat to the health or safety of the woman or the unborn child.</p>
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		<title>By: GrannyofWhites</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2010/03/19/nativists-work-to-counter-sundays-pro-immigrant-march/comment-page-1/#comment-155937</link>
		<dc:creator>GrannyofWhites</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Apr 2010 15:55:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[beholder
Have you been to an emergency room?  They ask questions first and treat you later - if you are American.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>beholder<br />
Have you been to an emergency room?  They ask questions first and treat you later &#8211; if you are American.</p>
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		<title>By: GrannyofWhites</title>
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		<dc:creator>GrannyofWhites</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Apr 2010 15:38:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[beholder
I worked sorting out just such situations.  Just because the rare jogger without a wallet gets hit by a Mack truck and is taken to the hospital unconscious, does not mean that we must treat MILLIONS of illegals and PAY for their care.
You used a sweet image of an unfortuate American - we are assuming.  What if the jogger is an illegal?  What if he intentionally came here because he knows he can use our services for free?  And what if he is a drug-smuggler who has a bullet in him?  Or a young woman, living near the border (and I know this to be true) who comes over to have the baby and leaves the next day with the baby - but the entire hospital bill is paid for by us, even if there are complications and the bill runs in to the tens of thousands of dollars?
You truly need to go talk to managers at Medicaid.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>beholder<br />
I worked sorting out just such situations.  Just because the rare jogger without a wallet gets hit by a Mack truck and is taken to the hospital unconscious, does not mean that we must treat MILLIONS of illegals and PAY for their care.<br />
You used a sweet image of an unfortuate American &#8211; we are assuming.  What if the jogger is an illegal?  What if he intentionally came here because he knows he can use our services for free?  And what if he is a drug-smuggler who has a bullet in him?  Or a young woman, living near the border (and I know this to be true) who comes over to have the baby and leaves the next day with the baby &#8211; but the entire hospital bill is paid for by us, even if there are complications and the bill runs in to the tens of thousands of dollars?<br />
You truly need to go talk to managers at Medicaid.</p>
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		<title>By: beholder</title>
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		<dc:creator>beholder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Apr 2010 15:31:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No Jack, The law will remain. Emergency rooms will stabilize the patient first, ask questions later. This is America Jack my boy and all your anti-American, unpatriotic sentiment won&#039;t change it. The most you can hope for is a militia and a box of Budweiser to call your own.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No Jack, The law will remain. Emergency rooms will stabilize the patient first, ask questions later. This is America Jack my boy and all your anti-American, unpatriotic sentiment won&#8217;t change it. The most you can hope for is a militia and a box of Budweiser to call your own.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Apr 2010 22:09:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If they have to make a judgment call while they are finding out, they can bounce the people out as soon as they know they can&#039;t pay. It&#039;s not that hard to figure out.

It would save money and also make tons of them leave the country, win win.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If they have to make a judgment call while they are finding out, they can bounce the people out as soon as they know they can&#8217;t pay. It&#8217;s not that hard to figure out.</p>
<p>It would save money and also make tons of them leave the country, win win.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Apr 2010 22:02:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hei people, Happy Fool&#039;s Day! 

A man went into a bar in a high rise. He saw another man take a pill, take a drink, walk to the window and jump out. He flew around for a minute and zipped back into the bar.
As the amazed newcomer watched, the man repeated this twice more. Finally the man asked if he could have a pill. The flier said it was his last one. The man offered five hundred dollars to no avail, so he made a final offer of a thousand dollars. The man said that it was all he had on him.
The flier reluctantly gave in, took the cash, surrendered the pill, and turned back to the bar. The man took the pill, took a drink, went to the window, and jumped out only to fall to his death. The bartender walked over to the flier at the bar and, wiping a glass, said, &quot;You sure are mean when you&#039;re drunk, Superman.&quot;
 

Happy April Fool&#039;s Day!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hei people, Happy Fool&#8217;s Day! </p>
<p>A man went into a bar in a high rise. He saw another man take a pill, take a drink, walk to the window and jump out. He flew around for a minute and zipped back into the bar.<br />
As the amazed newcomer watched, the man repeated this twice more. Finally the man asked if he could have a pill. The flier said it was his last one. The man offered five hundred dollars to no avail, so he made a final offer of a thousand dollars. The man said that it was all he had on him.<br />
The flier reluctantly gave in, took the cash, surrendered the pill, and turned back to the bar. The man took the pill, took a drink, went to the window, and jumped out only to fall to his death. The bartender walked over to the flier at the bar and, wiping a glass, said, &#8220;You sure are mean when you&#8217;re drunk, Superman.&#8221;</p>
<p>Happy April Fool&#8217;s Day!</p>
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		<title>By: beholder</title>
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		<dc:creator>beholder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Apr 2010 01:03:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What if someone knocks you over the head and takes your wallet. Are you going to trust triage to sort out that you are a citizen fast enough to save your life?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What if someone knocks you over the head and takes your wallet. Are you going to trust triage to sort out that you are a citizen fast enough to save your life?</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2010/03/19/nativists-work-to-counter-sundays-pro-immigrant-march/comment-page-1/#comment-155448</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2010 17:59:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry, I don&#039;t jog and my wallet contains all that is necessary to establish that I am capable of paying my bill.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, I don&#8217;t jog and my wallet contains all that is necessary to establish that I am capable of paying my bill.</p>
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