My family has always been here. We were in New Mexico when America took it over. My father WW ll vet, my maternal grandfather Korean war vet. I am against illegal immigration for a lot of reasons, half which are the negatives experienced by the children of the immigrant. Having said that you eluded to why your heart is so mean. You are staring up at the well healed upper middle class. Was it because your parents did not have big money to fund your education or you did not have the skill set to start and grow a successful business? I don’t’ know but I know that you do not live in an upscale neighborhood because you said and I quote, “Our neighborhood was “hit” by the Norteno gang ”
That Granny does not happen in upscale neighborhoods. I am on the board of our community and we have no such activity because there are no gangs for miles of our neighborhood. Here live judges, music artist, business owners, dentists and such.
That, Granny is why you are full of spite. You are bitter because failed to achieve your vision of the American Dream and rather than saying, “I should have worked harder” you want to blame the illegal immigrants.

I do see something disingenuous about the tea party, American Resistance, or 3 percenters representing themselves as somehow outside the whole spectrum of right and left although they espouse most of the positions that have always been associated with the right. I also object to implicit claims by the tea party that they somehow represent the views of the “silent majority” although they have never won (or even run in) a single election.

In my opinion the fact that anyone could imagine that the tea party is anything but right wing shows just how far to the right our politics have swung. Since the McCarthy era our foreign policy has been driven by anti-communist rhetoric to produce instability in the countries to our south that has directly impacted the economic disaster that drives so many to seek a better life north of the border despite the horrendous sacrifices required to make the journey. The right wing fanatics also insisted on funding Al Qaeda, the Mujahideen, and the Taliban to oppose the Democratic Republic of Afghanistan because it had asked for assistance from it’s neighbor, the Soviet Union.

In an earlier post you stated “Don’t give me this “better life” baloney. That is the garbage that most Americans increasingly won’t buy.” So it appears to me that you are the one arguing that what most folks want is what should be. The primary difference between your argument and mine seems to be that there are election results that show that most voted for Obama while all you provide is an unsupported claim that most Americans don’t believe immigrants come here for a better life. I don’t mean to suggest that what most folks want is right (although it often is, that’s the basis of democracy), but I object to unsupported claims that most Americans oppose immigration or health care reform.

Vanderboegh is more than just an instigator, he is urging people to step outside the constitution and use bricks to communicate with their representatives instead of votes. What’s sinister is when folks in or out of any party claim that “most Americans” oppose this or support that regardless of the fact that most Americans who performed their duty as citizens voted for President Obama and a democratic majority in both houses of Congress.

I don’t know why you believe that individual freedoms and internationalism are mutually exclusive but like it or not internationalism is a fact of life. Sooner or later we will have world government or we will have world anarchy. If you want to know what world anarchy looks like you could review the films of the World Trade Center from September 11, 2001.

Quit labeling, people. Listen to yourselves.

I know that on the left and on the right there are good people – people who love this country and want to protect it. But there are some very sinister people in those parties as well. The Tea Party movement has arrisen because we are tired of the Left-Right Paradigm, and their goals of internationalism at the expense of National sovereignty and individual freedoms.

This Vanderboegh guy is just an instigator, and not a part of the genuine Tea Party movement that just wants to preserve the Constitution in order to protect freedom.

No more violence or threats? No more harrassing phone calls to Congressmen? That is a shock.

SEEKING Patriotic CACTUS for Rally Against Harry Reid:

Maybe it took the wind out of their sails to bus all the way down to Searchlight NV to see Harry Reid’s hometown. And to find nothing but a few trailers among the gravel & sand dunes.
Only one lizard was there & he was not a registered voter.

Our assessment actually went down slightly this year. I expect our taxes to go up anyway but we’re hoping for the best. Considering the irresponsible spending on undeclared wars and bailouts for billionaires we should probably pay these taxes into an escrow account for our grandchildren! Where I live property taxes go for a lot more than just schools but frankly I wouldn’t mind higher taxes if the schools provided a decent education. I am also aware that I am very lucky to be in a situation where I can honestly say that. The way things stand my grandchildren will pay more for interest on the national debt than has been paid for all their schooling.

AR I think it would be much easier if, “The Republicans and Democrats [didn't] give a danm about us little serfs who serve them.” I believe that most folks in public life do very much give a damn about the nation and its people. Unfortunately there is no one quite so dangerous or persistent as those who think they’re doing what’s best for everyone, be they democrats, republicans, or three percenters.

I hope for your sake that you won’t meet government intrusions with armed resistance. That will most likely lead you to death or long imprisonment. A good friend of mine recently had occassion to suffer a great deal at the hands of the Department of Child Services in Tennessee. Eventually things worked out reasonably well after she and her family were put through hell for several months. My conclusion from this and many other incidents is that, most of the time, the law leads to a reasonable solution after you’ve been put through hell. So it appears to me that the choice most often is between legal hell for several months or the hell of death or prison for much longer.

Regarding your comments on right and left I think it is interesting to note (if I’m not mistaken) that gun laws as they are today began to be passed when the Black Panther Party began to arm themselves.

Granny I don’t think anyone here would characterize folks who oppose immigration as a hate group just because they oppose immigration. What seems hateful to me is referring to fellow human beings as “illegals.” They are our neighbors whichever side of the border they’re on. I believe that those who love their neighbors as themselves have already entered the kingdom of heaven. So, Granny, here’s wishing you heaven.

With respect to both sides, we have to let “cooler” heads prevail. Otherwise none of us would ever again be able to walk down our sidewalks in peace. Even going to church.

We would eventually have to declare “martial law” & this can spell the end of our most precious freedoms, with tanks & bayonets, armed militia would stand guard & enforce curfews.

For the radical GOP leaders:

YOU REAP WHAT YOU SOW.

Once the violence escalates, YOU will also be Targets. It is just the Rules of the Game.

Remember Newton, who said:

“For every Action, there is an equal & opposite REACTION.”

I think the one thing that upsets me the most are these extreme left and right wingers pointing the finger of blame at eachother for our nations problems. I would love it if they could drop their hatered for eachother for just one day and take a good look as to how both the democrats and republicans have turned us into debt slaves.

Do you remember the criminal banker bailouts durring the G W Bush years? That was a terrible event yet, it gave me hope that we could come together as united americans to stop this crime. We had liberals and conservatives fighting together to protest and shut down washingtons phone lines and email. The results were bad but we got the attention of both parties because we were united as one american people.

Now lets fast forward the clock with the health care deal. This was nothing more than a health insurance company bailout for the big four. These providers fought tooth and nail against the public option and our leraders sold us out yet again just like bush did with the bankers. It is un american to force people to buy from one of the mega corperations. Now 30 million are going to be forced into doing just that if they want it or not. 30 million new buyers added and forced to buy from these fat cat rich health care giant corperations. Think about it. It’s just wrong.

As far as your comments about armed resistance, I suppose I would be more able than the average american in dealing with a home invasion by thugs (government or not) but I would never go out and hurt someone over petty disagreements or politics.

I do feel the the extreme left and right need to wake the hell up. Guess what ? The Republicans and Democrats don’t give a danm about us little serfs who serve them. They only look out for their rich corperate, banking and health provider buddies. Sorry. I am just trying to be as truthful and honest as I can be. I do not not have any bad feelings towards you or anyone on this site.

Are they considered a hate group if they object to illegal immigration?

Romans 12:3 3For by the grace given me I say to every one of you: Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought, but rather think of yourself with sober judgment, in accordance with the measure of faith God has given you.

By the sound of (taped) phone calls made to Dem Congressmen, the TeaBag Party is mostly the lowest IQ you could imagine. It is almost “hilarious” if not so full of venom. Maybe we should post a few addresses of GOP guys & say it is the “bad” guys & let them blow themselves up.

Just kidding. But in times of War, “All is Fair” (they used to say) & this looks like War.

No wonder the SPL Center is no longer viewed with the respect it once was.