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Angels and Demons – Catholics in Conspiracy with Obama?

By Hatewatch Staff on April 9, 2010 - 5:28 pm, Posted in Patriot

WASHINGTON, D.C. – Whether it’s suggesting President Obama is a secret Muslim from Kenya or a dictator eager to pull the plug on grandma, it seems there’s no conspiracy theory too outrageous for the antigovernment “Patriot” movement.

That is, until Cliff Kincaid apparently crossed the line today.

Kincaid, who has built a reputation within the movement with conspiracy-mongering columns savaging liberals, gave a speech at a conference where he described Marxist and other radical-left elements within the Catholic Church that are apparently working to push forward a sinister Obama agenda.

Kincaid was careful to say he was not bashing the entire church, noting he was speaking as a Catholic. That caveat, however, was apparently not enough for his colleague and fellow speaker at the conference, Jerome Corsi.

Corsi, another big name in the Patriot movement, said he used Kincaid’s research in his book “The Obama Nation.” Nevertheless, Corsi had strong words for Kincaid when it was his turn to speak at the Jericho March & Conference, a gathering that mixed the religious right with some Patriot movement speakers. “I am a Catholic. I take exception with much of what he said,” Corsi said.

He stopped short of accusing Kincaid of bashing the church in the speech, which touched on Marxism in the church, the so-called “New World Order” and, apparently, Obama’s role in it. But Corsi certainly wasn’t pleased by what he heard. “It is unfair to represent the Catholic Church as communist. It is not,” Corsi said. “And Cliff, I take exception.”

As editor of Accuracy in Media’s “AIM Report” and founder and president of America’s Survival, Kincaid’s sights have been set on liberals and global institutions. But he has lately focused on elements within the Catholic Church. America’s Survival, which bills itself as a United Nations watchdog, has published reports about Marxism infiltrating the church, the Vatican’s “Quest for a World Political Authority” and yet another report looking at the Vatican’s role in the New World Order.

For Kincaid, it’s about accurately describing the progressive movement.

“The real danger in this movement is that it is not secular,” he said. “It is religiously based.”

The two men spoke at the Jericho March Conference, which brought about 75 to 100 attendees to an event whose stated goal includes “merging prayer and patriotism.” Insight USA, an organization headed by Christian activist Faye Hardin, hosted the event.

The attendees, who appeared to be mostly 55 or older and predominantly white and female, could pick up copies of the U.S. Constitution and religious paraphernalia at various tables. Free publications from Accuracy in Media and America’s Survival were also available.

But a copy of a report from America’s Survival about the Vatican’s role in the New World Order – including some 300 footnotes – could only be yours for $10.

  • http://theprogressivecapitalist.blogspot.com/ John Lloyd Scharf

    Tezuka fan, it is pronounced Skarf, like skool, skedule, skooner, skitzophrenic and many other NON German words. Many Dutch names are this way also. Like Schiperke. I had a woman say Scharf should be pronounced Sharf. I wrote schitzophrenic and asked her how she pronounced that word. Most Irish on my adopted side changed the spelling to Scarf, instead of the traditional Irish spelling.

  • Tezuka fan

    Also, “a unseen [sic] clique working behind the scenes” is a simple solution the same way that saying “God did/wills it” is a simple solution . They’re both unseen and no one can really tell what is what they did and what just happens. There are 2 differences between God and the “unseen clique”: One is claimed to be made up of incompetent (can’t get a small country to abandon slavery for decades) or hyped-up (since when is a fraternity a world power?) groups of humans and one is a supernatural supreme being with power beyond comprehension. Also, we only “know” the goal/will/plan of one of them: world government. With that in mind, a lot of events that people claim are their design seems to backfire quite a bit (like how I described the 9/11 idea).

  • Tezuka fan

    @ Dave,
    You know what, 9/11 being caused by the government is a very complex solution. Making the whole thing look like what would happen if 2 planes crashed into 2 skyscrapers and collapsing in a way that is exactly how engineers would expect from such an impact, then blaming an Afghani terrorist organization so they could then attack Iraq and confuse the mess out of almost everyone in the country… all in an effort to get Iraqi oil. Then totally failing in that. But then, that was in their plan, too. So they could… waste a crap load of money.

    Or they could have just said that an Iraqi did it.
    The government can’t cover-up adultery, sex scandals, hotel break-ins, etc. These cover-ups have something that 9/11 doesn’t: whistle-blowers. You’d think that there is at least one person in this who still has a soul and would tell someone, like WikiLeaks.
    I’ve said I’d post a link, well here it is: http://www.debunking911.com/

  • dave

    @Tezuka….i listed Alex Jones as an example of someone who opposed the patriot act. he opposes that law , the illegal wiretapping, he opposes the end of posse comitatus, he is against the wars in iraq and Afghanistan, Pakistan, and he opposes the private federal reserve banks and treaties that might end American sovereignty….

    can you please give me an example of an event or whatever in all its complexity, and tell me how a unseen clique working behind the scenes qualifies as a simple solution??? peole always say that but i fail to see how its true…

  • Tezuka fan

    What I meant was someone who says that both parties platforms are no good (for me, they offer simple solutions to complex problems, but so do the Green Party and the Libertarian Party, so I’m stuck) goes with simple ideas for complex situations.

    By the way, can someone suggest a political party that doesn’t offer simple solutions to complex problems? If I keep saying I’m an independent, someone’s going to think I’m a Libertarian.

  • Tezuka fan

    Alex Jones is a (I said somewhere before that I hate name-calling, but for people like him I’ll make an exception) nut-job. He’s either a paranoid-schizophrenic or seeks(then “finds”) simple answers to complex situations (how some people categorize conspiracy theorists and religious fundamentalists). Interesting that someone who goes for a “not democrat, not republican” political affiliation, he would go for ideas that require the least amount of critical thinking – i.e. something bad happens = The UN/World Bank/Illuminati/Masons/Obama/Jew- er, Anti-Chr- er, the Council of Foreign Affairs did it!

  • Tezuka fan

    @ Mr. Scharf
    Sorry about misspelling your name. Again, I’m here when I’m tired and I thought I could type your name without copying/pasting. Also, how should I pronounce your name, since you brought that up? What word does it sound like (probably a better question)?

  • http://theprogressivecapitalist.blogspot.com/ John Lloyd Scharf

    “Cliff Kincaid apparently crossed the line today.”
    I have yet to figure out how any line was crossed that constitutes a violation of law. Since I have no clue to the identity of this person and watch the news constantly, I suspect he is of no consequence.

    As for conspiracies, some are more artful than others. Some are more original than others. They all belong in that same Twilight Zone of those who think the world is controlled by some cabal, which includes socialists, anarchists, Democrats, Republicans, Libertarians, “Patriots,” Truthers, and UFO enthusiasts.

    Who cares what whom they hold up as a hero until they plot and make a substantial move in their conspiracy to commit violence?

  • dave

    and dont forget radio host Alex Jones- he has opposed the Patriot Act since way back, and he has several million listeners and activists, many or most of whom are part of, or sympathetic to, the tea Party idea

  • dave

    snorlax, there were constitutional opponents to “Dubya,”….granted, at the time that the Patriot Act was enacted, a large majority of the population supported it, since it came on the heels of the 9-11 attack. Only one US senator voted against- only one. This means that it had vast two party support. Opposition to the Patriot Act grew over time….Badernak ran for Prez in 2004, and he was very much against the Patriot Act, and many of his voters are now part of the so called tea party idea. So I guess those vote records constitute the documented evidence that you so absurdly requested.

    snorlax is the best right winger ever to infiltrate the Left…keep up the good work making the Left look ridiculous, snorlex…use as many ad hominem arguments you can, and throw in one personal insult after the other. In one year, the Left wont even exist, due to your actions. I salute you…

  • http://theprogressivecapitalist.blogspot.com/ John Lloyd Scharf

    @ Mr. Sharf,
    “Because they feel like the current government is illegitimate (i.e. birthers) and/or illegal. They don’t think that they’re betraying the government, but saving the nation… somehow by threatening those who hold it together.”

    If you are refering to me, that is neither the spelling nor the pronounciation of my name. It is Irish, albeit adopted, not German.

    I know exactly what they use to justify their treachery. We have a Constitution that provides the ballot box, not bullets and bombs, as the method of justice and amendment.through rule of law.

    I have no love of the Constitution, myself, because it instituted a republic rather than a democracy or acting as a mechanism for establishing the consent of the governed. I, like Patrick Henry before me, did not ratify this Constitution and consider it a road back to monarchy.

    In the end, I see little difference between King George III and Pelosi, Queen of the House or her puppet King Obama.

    In the end, however, it is how We the People chose to act.. Ultimately, We the People still will have to come back to the ballot box. The Civil War was an evasion of that and the Courts by both sides. We do not have information systems that travel by horse in a society where literacy is an exception. We do not need a “nanny government” to keep us, the “mob” in line. We are in the 21st century. It is time to at least bring this nation into the 20th century.

  • http://theprogressivecapitalist.blogspot.com/ John Lloyd Scharf

    Snorlax, name-calling is not a logical argument. It is a form of fallacy.

  • Tezuka fan

    @ Mr. Sharf,
    Because they feel like the current government is illegitimate (i.e. birthers) and/or illegal. They don’t think that they’re betraying the government, but saving the nation… somehow by threatening those who hold it together.

  • Snorlax

    :snorlax, many of the tea party people did indeed protest and/or object when dubya enacted, with much democratic help, the Patriot Act.” – dave

    Name one. Prove it with documents. You can’t.

    You ALL loved Dubya.

    Hypocrites and liars.

  • http://theprogressivecapitalist.blogspot.com/ John Lloyd Scharf

    Why is it when people want to betray our government that they feel comfortable calling themselves “Patriots?

  • dave

    and no, no president has ever chaired that UN post, in its 65 year history

  • dave

    tezeuka….you spelled out the problem. article 1, section 9…..obama holds office here , and he got the office of chair of the un sec council- a clearly illegal treasonous action. congress did not authorize him to get that post from the UN, a foreign power. read it again. hi treason plain as day.

    high treason ……lock him up now and make him share a cell with cheney.

  • daemonesslisa

    So now President Obama is a Marxist/Communist/Socialist/Racist/Maoist/Terrorist/Islamist…Catholicist?

    I love it when the teabaggers continue to give themselves the rope.

  • dave

    snorlax, many of the tea party people did indeed protest and/or object when dubya enacted, with much democratic help, the Patriot Act. the opposition to that law has gradually snowballed across all political lines..

    You have a bizarre attitude- anyone can object to anything they want to , or not. its the job of everyone to fine tune or weed out weak arguments, elaborate upon debate,or ignore opinions if they want, etc. Just because someone was silent eight years ago, they suddenly lose their 1st amendment rights today, huh?

    I suppose you just love that Afghan war waging, wiretappin, Patriot Act signing, wild spending prez of ours….and dont tell me “oh,but a republican would be much worse” …what a binary mind you got….we got Bushbama in the Whitehouse….

  • Tezuka fan

    @ Dave,
    What part of that section of the Constitution (“Limits on Congress”) did Obama violate. The closest thing to what you said (“[...] chairing the UN sec council”) that I could find says “No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince or foreign State.”
    … I still don’t see it. And about the “UN sec council” gripe, I believe every president since Truman has been in the council.

  • Snorlax

    “When the Patriot Act was passed, that should have kick started a rebellion. Instead, we eventually got Obama, who re-signed that bad law.”

    And the Teabaggers all supported Dubya and the GOP when they originally pushed through the Patriot Act and other laws that took away our freedom.

    So shut up about Obama already. You Teabaggers cannot complain about Obama when you all supported Dubya starting the whole thing. You all voted for him twice.

    I hate you Teabagger hypocrites. Really hate you.

  • Tezuka fan

    @ Snorlax,
    Pedophilia (spl.) is a paraphilia that a person of any sexual orientation (heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual) could have. There are heterosexual pedophiles, homosexual pedophiles, and bisexual pedophiles.
    In other words, Pedophilia is a paraphilia and not a sexual orientation. The only place where you’d hear pedophilia being called a sexual orientation is from a group like Focus on the Family, who ridiculously claimed that there are 72-76 sexual orientations.

  • dave

    Obama re signed the Patriot Act, and now drops bombs on top of kids heads in Afghanistan..and his healthcare bill will not cover children with pre exisitng conditions,

    he violated article 1, section 9 of the constitution by chairing the UN sec council….lock him up now, put him in a cell with Cheney

  • Snorlax

    The Catholic church is reeling.

    The pedophile priest coverup scandal goes all the way to the top, with the current and previous Popes now alleged to have been involved.

    The church is one of society’s cornerstones. What happens when the foundation crumbles?

    And don’t scapegoat the gays for this one, either. Pedophiles are NOT gay…they’re pedophiles.

  • dave

    We formed this country over hi taxes, without representation.

    Americans are much more taxed and regulated than then. When the Patriot Act was passed, that should have kick started a rebellion. Instead, we eventually got Obama, who re-signed that bad law.

  • Snorlax

    Anti-Catholics are nothing new on the Religious Right.

    You should read some Jack Chick comic book tracts.

    Hateful stuff, and sadly all done in His name.

    The Nativist movement has also been historically anti-Catholic, going back to the Know-Nothings.