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	<title>Comments on: The FAIR Files: Working With the Pioneer Fund</title>
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		<title>By: beholder</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2010/05/12/the-fair-files-working-with-the-pioneer-fund/comment-page-1/#comment-167587</link>
		<dc:creator>beholder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 May 2010 22:35:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>skinnyminny I hope you reminded your neighbor that the United States is not one of the countries on the UN honor roll:

http://www.un.org/News/ossg/honroll.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>skinnyminny I hope you reminded your neighbor that the United States is not one of the countries on the UN honor roll:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.un.org/News/ossg/honroll.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.un.org/News/ossg/honroll.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: skinnyminny</title>
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		<dc:creator>skinnyminny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 May 2010 20:32:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, I believe a lot of opposition to the U.N. was probably mentioned in rightwing circles in 2005, around the time there was a lot of talk about &quot;people screwing up America.&quot; A neighbor of mine, kept saying &quot;we need to stop paying the U.N. and get out of it.&quot; He (neighbor) was an avid Glen Beck fan, and Fox news viewer. At the time, Glen Beck was on CNN. The neighbor was a young white guy in his early twenties, originally from the south, no military background, and lived with his sister and her husband. I mention no military background, because this is kind of unusual to me when college is not substituted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, I believe a lot of opposition to the U.N. was probably mentioned in rightwing circles in 2005, around the time there was a lot of talk about &#8220;people screwing up America.&#8221; A neighbor of mine, kept saying &#8220;we need to stop paying the U.N. and get out of it.&#8221; He (neighbor) was an avid Glen Beck fan, and Fox news viewer. At the time, Glen Beck was on CNN. The neighbor was a young white guy in his early twenties, originally from the south, no military background, and lived with his sister and her husband. I mention no military background, because this is kind of unusual to me when college is not substituted.</p>
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		<title>By: jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2010 19:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>charles,

you&#039;d be popular with the homies in prison.  you&#039;d also have plenty of time to wonder why the governor of Louisiana, a Republican, has been requesting the aid of the federal government in cleaning up the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico.  to you, such political activity must smack of socialism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>charles,</p>
<p>you&#8217;d be popular with the homies in prison.  you&#8217;d also have plenty of time to wonder why the governor of Louisiana, a Republican, has been requesting the aid of the federal government in cleaning up the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico.  to you, such political activity must smack of socialism.</p>
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		<title>By: skinnyminny</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2010/05/12/the-fair-files-working-with-the-pioneer-fund/comment-page-1/#comment-166201</link>
		<dc:creator>skinnyminny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2010 18:50:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Peter,

Most of these people use podblanc

here are others, if you haven&#039;t already seen it, 
http://www.teapartypatriots.org/Group/Southeast_Michigan_Volunteer_Militia 

http://www.oliverwillis.com/2010/03/24/audio-tea-party-terrorism-threats-to-bart-stupak/

&quot;Arizona Tea Party Puddin&#039; Heads; Plus, Russell Pearce says Joe Arpaio Won&#039;t Run for Guv, Despite Business Journal Report&quot; http://blogs.phoenixnews.com/bastard/2009/09/arizona_tea_party_russell.php 

Rightwing radio station in Arizona KTAR 92.3

Rightwing radio station in Los Angeles KFI640 AM - John and Ken show did live broadcast from Arizona asking people not to boycott, they have set up a new website to help support Arizona at John and Ken dot com also, this group has daily broadcast urging people to protest government workers salaries/benefits/retirement/ they used to have frequent guest of minutemen on their shows, now they are having lots of Anti-Tax shows complaining they are not paying taxes for this, they&#039;re tired of rising taxes, and a host of other things. When ex-Sheriff Mike Carona of Orange County was has his trial, the defense attorneys asked the judge to put a gag-order on this show and/or to move the trial (change of venue) due to this show.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Peter,</p>
<p>Most of these people use podblanc</p>
<p>here are others, if you haven&#8217;t already seen it,<br />
<a href="http://www.teapartypatriots.org/Group/Southeast_Michigan_Volunteer_Militia" rel="nofollow">http://www.teapartypatriots.or.....er_Militia</a> </p>
<p><a href="http://www.oliverwillis.com/2010/03/24/audio-tea-party-terrorism-threats-to-bart-stupak/" rel="nofollow">http://www.oliverwillis.com/20.....rt-stupak/</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Arizona Tea Party Puddin&#8217; Heads; Plus, Russell Pearce says Joe Arpaio Won&#8217;t Run for Guv, Despite Business Journal Report&#8221; <a href="http://blogs.phoenixnews.com/bastard/2009/09/arizona_tea_party_russell.php" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.phoenixnews.com/b.....ussell.php</a> </p>
<p>Rightwing radio station in Arizona KTAR 92.3</p>
<p>Rightwing radio station in Los Angeles KFI640 AM &#8211; John and Ken show did live broadcast from Arizona asking people not to boycott, they have set up a new website to help support Arizona at John and Ken dot com also, this group has daily broadcast urging people to protest government workers salaries/benefits/retirement/ they used to have frequent guest of minutemen on their shows, now they are having lots of Anti-Tax shows complaining they are not paying taxes for this, they&#8217;re tired of rising taxes, and a host of other things. When ex-Sheriff Mike Carona of Orange County was has his trial, the defense attorneys asked the judge to put a gag-order on this show and/or to move the trial (change of venue) due to this show.</p>
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		<title>By: daemonesslisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>daemonesslisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2010 17:30:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know what I like best about people&#039;s attempts at creating &quot;Second Republics&quot;?  Two things, actually:

First, these fools ignore history; they lost the Civil War!

And second, there&#039;s an entire system in place ready to put down these kinds of jihadists should they even -attempt- anything!

Fire away, losers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know what I like best about people&#8217;s attempts at creating &#8220;Second Republics&#8221;?  Two things, actually:</p>
<p>First, these fools ignore history; they lost the Civil War!</p>
<p>And second, there&#8217;s an entire system in place ready to put down these kinds of jihadists should they even -attempt- anything!</p>
<p>Fire away, losers!</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Blaise</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2010/05/12/the-fair-files-working-with-the-pioneer-fund/comment-page-1/#comment-166137</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Blaise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2010 13:30:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Earlier, Charles Yuditsdy wrote: &quot;... Anyone who supports ANY right wing cause is a hate group according to the SLPC ...&quot;

Peter Blaise responds: Charles, I think you misread the opening post above if you think it is about &quot;anyone&quot;.  It is not.  It is about Nazi-sympathizers, neo-Nazis, and white-supremacists.  Can you kindly suggest &quot;anyone&quot; in the article who you think is inaccurately so characterized?

But, Charles, speaking of hateful support for right win causes, I for one am researching the thrust and support of the new Tea Party organization who proclaim their alliance with Minuteman activities, as in the Tea Party&#039;s recent mailer from Thu May 13 2010:

&quot;To HELL with the U.N. This is our land, we make the rules!&quot; Minuteman Steve

Not familiar with the new Minutemen?  See:

http://www.google.com/search?q=minuteman+hate+groups

... for more information on modern self-labeled &quot;Minutemen&quot;.  Is the new Tea Party org merely the current season&#039;s outfit for last year&#039;s hate groups gone out of fashion?

Also listed in the new Tea Party org email are:

-- Dale Robertson, Founder/President TeaParty.org

-- TimBueler.com Tea Party org mailing web servers

More?  Who are these people, and what has been their history getting to this point?

Charles, in trying to uncover the real motivations of these people, we are trying to bring the greatest amount of accurate information to everyone (read: informed citizens) so we can prevent history from repeating itself, especially the history of hate, Nazis, and white-supremacists.

Charles, can you imagine creating a Second Republic that doesn&#039;t look like a Fourth Reich?  I can.  Look to New Mexico if you want to understand creative, constructive immigrant policy alternatives to the hateful energies stirred up in Arizona by Nazi-sympathizers, neo-Nazis, and white-supremacists.

(And Charles, thanks for the tease about expansive culture in Mexico -- quite rich and complex!  See
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico and 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_of_Mexico and 
http://www.everyculture.com/Ma-Ni/Mexico.html 
and so on.  Great reading -- I had no idea!  My, what a little bit of additional information can do for opening my mind -- I must try this more often!  Thank you, Charles.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Earlier, Charles Yuditsdy wrote: &#8220;&#8230; Anyone who supports ANY right wing cause is a hate group according to the SLPC &#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Peter Blaise responds: Charles, I think you misread the opening post above if you think it is about &#8220;anyone&#8221;.  It is not.  It is about Nazi-sympathizers, neo-Nazis, and white-supremacists.  Can you kindly suggest &#8220;anyone&#8221; in the article who you think is inaccurately so characterized?</p>
<p>But, Charles, speaking of hateful support for right win causes, I for one am researching the thrust and support of the new Tea Party organization who proclaim their alliance with Minuteman activities, as in the Tea Party&#8217;s recent mailer from Thu May 13 2010:</p>
<p>&#8220;To HELL with the U.N. This is our land, we make the rules!&#8221; Minuteman Steve</p>
<p>Not familiar with the new Minutemen?  See:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=minuteman+hate+groups" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com/search?q.....ate+groups</a></p>
<p>&#8230; for more information on modern self-labeled &#8220;Minutemen&#8221;.  Is the new Tea Party org merely the current season&#8217;s outfit for last year&#8217;s hate groups gone out of fashion?</p>
<p>Also listed in the new Tea Party org email are:</p>
<p>&#8211; Dale Robertson, Founder/President TeaParty.org</p>
<p>&#8211; TimBueler.com Tea Party org mailing web servers</p>
<p>More?  Who are these people, and what has been their history getting to this point?</p>
<p>Charles, in trying to uncover the real motivations of these people, we are trying to bring the greatest amount of accurate information to everyone (read: informed citizens) so we can prevent history from repeating itself, especially the history of hate, Nazis, and white-supremacists.</p>
<p>Charles, can you imagine creating a Second Republic that doesn&#8217;t look like a Fourth Reich?  I can.  Look to New Mexico if you want to understand creative, constructive immigrant policy alternatives to the hateful energies stirred up in Arizona by Nazi-sympathizers, neo-Nazis, and white-supremacists.</p>
<p>(And Charles, thanks for the tease about expansive culture in Mexico &#8212; quite rich and complex!  See<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico</a> and<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_of_Mexico" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_of_Mexico</a> and<br />
<a href="http://www.everyculture.com/Ma-Ni/Mexico.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.everyculture.com/Ma-Ni/Mexico.html</a><br />
and so on.  Great reading &#8212; I had no idea!  My, what a little bit of additional information can do for opening my mind &#8212; I must try this more often!  Thank you, Charles.)</p>
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		<title>By: skinnyminny</title>
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		<dc:creator>skinnyminny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2010 00:45:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is interesting because it seems all of these groups have an interest in, or a partnership in one another. Meanwhile, haven&#039;t been hearing too much on IRLI (Immigration Reform Law Institute). However, I think there is much attention on Arizona&#039;s new laws, but, there&#039;s not much attention on who or what group is behind it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is interesting because it seems all of these groups have an interest in, or a partnership in one another. Meanwhile, haven&#8217;t been hearing too much on IRLI (Immigration Reform Law Institute). However, I think there is much attention on Arizona&#8217;s new laws, but, there&#8217;s not much attention on who or what group is behind it.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Yuditsdy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles Yuditsdy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2010 00:09:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone who supports ANY right wing cause is a hate group according to the SLPC.  Well we actually do hate you and will remove you through banishment from the country when we are able to establish a Second Republic.  This is in the works now and will be implemented as soon as the current incompetant Federal Govt. is unable to carry out its basic tasks.  Hope you like the cultural wonderland that is Mexico.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone who supports ANY right wing cause is a hate group according to the SLPC.  Well we actually do hate you and will remove you through banishment from the country when we are able to establish a Second Republic.  This is in the works now and will be implemented as soon as the current incompetant Federal Govt. is unable to carry out its basic tasks.  Hope you like the cultural wonderland that is Mexico.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Blaise</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Blaise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 May 2010 19:25:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you.  

Now, please re-read and edit this and keep it unambiguously clear, with authoratative references.  

For instance, in the next to last paragraph, you mention for the first time in the article the word &quot;scandal&quot; as in &quot;... the 1994 scandal ...&quot;  without any prior specific reference or definition of any &quot;scandal&quot;.  

As a reader, do you want us to refer back to which of the three prior references to &quot;1994&quot; in the article, none of which are described as &quot;scandals&quot;.  

Help us out here.

If you mean in 1994, that &quot;... an embarrassing truth about the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) ... was also a major grant recipient of the Pioneer Fund, a racist organization established by Nazi sympathizers in the 1930s to pursue “race betterment.” ...&quot; then call that a &quot;scandal&quot; at the first reference.

Definitions of scandal on the Web:
http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
-- disgraceful gossip about the private lives of other people 
-- a disgraceful event 

Yet, I recommend that you do not use the word scandal at all -- it&#039;s unnecessarily incindiary and has arguable value -- in the eye of the beholder, meaning something different to each reader, and some people might feel proud of their scandalous behavior, so it&#039;s not a universal negative.  Instead, be specific with your charges of who and what these people are.

Thanks again.

Keep up the incrediblly great work.

Now it&#039;s up to us to pass it on, and insert accurate references into places like Wikipedia for each organization listed:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposition_187

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federation_for_American_Immigration_Reform

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pioneer_Fund

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_A._Stein

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Weyher

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Tanton

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_Immigration_Studies

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NumbersUSA

MISSING at Wikipedia are revealing articles on:

-- Otis Graham

-- Richard Woodward

-- William W. Chip

-- Henry Buhl

-- Sharon Barnes

-- Alan Weeden

How about some of us readers here go to Wikipedia and other places and try to update the public reference, eh?

Click!
Love and hugs,
Peter Blaise dot com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you.  </p>
<p>Now, please re-read and edit this and keep it unambiguously clear, with authoratative references.  </p>
<p>For instance, in the next to last paragraph, you mention for the first time in the article the word &#8220;scandal&#8221; as in &#8220;&#8230; the 1994 scandal &#8230;&#8221;  without any prior specific reference or definition of any &#8220;scandal&#8221;.  </p>
<p>As a reader, do you want us to refer back to which of the three prior references to &#8220;1994&#8243; in the article, none of which are described as &#8220;scandals&#8221;.  </p>
<p>Help us out here.</p>
<p>If you mean in 1994, that &#8220;&#8230; an embarrassing truth about the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) &#8230; was also a major grant recipient of the Pioneer Fund, a racist organization established by Nazi sympathizers in the 1930s to pursue “race betterment.” &#8230;&#8221; then call that a &#8220;scandal&#8221; at the first reference.</p>
<p>Definitions of scandal on the Web:<br />
<a href="http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn" rel="nofollow">http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn</a><br />
&#8211; disgraceful gossip about the private lives of other people<br />
&#8211; a disgraceful event </p>
<p>Yet, I recommend that you do not use the word scandal at all &#8212; it&#8217;s unnecessarily incindiary and has arguable value &#8212; in the eye of the beholder, meaning something different to each reader, and some people might feel proud of their scandalous behavior, so it&#8217;s not a universal negative.  Instead, be specific with your charges of who and what these people are.</p>
<p>Thanks again.</p>
<p>Keep up the incrediblly great work.</p>
<p>Now it&#8217;s up to us to pass it on, and insert accurate references into places like Wikipedia for each organization listed:</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposition_187" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposition_187</a></p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federation_for_American_Immigration_Reform" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F.....ion_Reform</a></p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pioneer_Fund" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pioneer_Fund</a></p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_A._Stein" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_A._Stein</a></p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Weyher" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Weyher</a></p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Tanton" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Tanton</a></p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_Immigration_Studies" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C.....on_Studies</a></p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NumbersUSA" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NumbersUSA</a></p>
<p>MISSING at Wikipedia are revealing articles on:</p>
<p>&#8211; Otis Graham</p>
<p>&#8211; Richard Woodward</p>
<p>&#8211; William W. Chip</p>
<p>&#8211; Henry Buhl</p>
<p>&#8211; Sharon Barnes</p>
<p>&#8211; Alan Weeden</p>
<p>How about some of us readers here go to Wikipedia and other places and try to update the public reference, eh?</p>
<p>Click!<br />
Love and hugs,<br />
Peter Blaise dot com</p>
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