Anyway, I am a proud member of Oath Keepers. This group is made up of thousands of Patriotic Americans, whose only mission is stand up for what all Americans have stood up for since 1776. Namely what is right and good, so that it can be passed on, as it was freely passed on to us by those who went before us. If you have a bad apple in the barrel, you don’t say all the apples are bad. Yes there may a bad example here or there, but use a little common sense. But I suspect that the real reason is to trash America, and what it stands for. The leftist liberals hate government of and for and by the people. Too many on the left believe America is evil, and their end goal is to turn us into just another third world country. This is done by lies, threats, inuendos, and projecting onto others the very thing that they themselves are. God Bless America and all she stands for. May she always be proud, free and a shining city on a hill for all the world to hope in. There are plenty of Socialist Countries in the world where the Utopia that liberals yearn for already exists:Cuba, China, Iran, and the most recent, Venezuela. I would suggest rather than tear America down, move to the place of your dreams, you would be happier and so would we. Although I am a proud Member of Oath Keepers, I am speaking for myself only, as after awhile I get tired of hearing from America Haters. Obama and his administration have done far more damage to this country than terrorists could ever hope to. They could never have dreamed of causing the high unemployment rate, division between the rich and the poor, the black and the white, employers and employees, and made so many people dependent on the government. Disagree all you want but I haven’t voted for a Democrat since John Kennedy. He was not perfect, but he was a wounded veteran, a man who stood up and told the Russians to get their Nuclear Missiles out of Cuba, and when the economy started to head south, he called for tax cuts to boost it. He said; “Ask not what your country can do for you, but ask what you can do for your country?”

I’m the kind of person who expects our police and military to not tolerate itself to be infiltrated with secret organizations who CLAIM they are uber-Constitutionalists but operate under cover. Look at the things that have been done to us under the cover of religion and patriotism. You’d have to be totally naive to believe that the OathKeepers have a positive agenda for America.

What kind of person are YOU?

I hope you’re the kind of person who will report any OathKeeper activity you see in your unit to your commanding officer. We don’t need this, people, we don’t. It’s counterproductive, these people are undermining our nation’s institutions.

-Wexler

If it’s any consolation, I’m as cracker as bleached cotton and I have respect for those Panthers that were loyal to the movement. I was scared of them back in those days, but now I’m too old to be scared. I take what comes and if somehow we don’t see eye to eye I back off and try figure out where we made a mistake. I only expect the same from any other person. If we’re both right and there’s a conflict, I give way to compromise. If it’s not critical I’ve been known to acquiesce. In the case of trying to gain equality for my black brothers and sisters I see it fit to give way to their needs before establishing mine. I no doubt (and I mean a religiously steadfast faith) that what goes around comes around. So those Black Panthers of that earlier time are not seen as ‘terrorist’ (to coin a modern term) by all people. God bless us all.

I ask that because I used to be in the Movement as a kid in the late 1960′s. We were taught that being a Panther meant that you loved Black people not that you hated white folks. But these *&%(#@ wannabes have the nerve to pretend to be Panthers. They couldn’t wipe the butts of the men like Hampton and Clark who died for the people. Yet, not a word about these pretenders. Not a whisper about their lying thuggery that disgraces the memory of real Panthers.

Instead you want to rag on men and women who are willing to swear that they will NOT violate their oaths to uphold the Constitution. So…it’s now TREASON to refuse to act like Nazis? It is TREASON to question authority when it goes berserk? So, it is now wrong to say I will NOT stand by and goosestep my fellow Black, White, Asian, Native and Hispanic brothers and sisters to their deaths because a glorious Leader says so?

What kind of people ARE you?

You ought to be ashamed of yourselves if you think that the goal of OKers is to subvert this nation. If we ever have the misfortune of having to deal with the government turning on us AGAIN-as they did to the Japanese in WWII and as they did to Black people during the riots of the 1960′s, I WANT AN OATH KEEPER HOLDING THE GUNS TO MY HEAD NOT A BUNCH OF BOOT LICKING BASTARDS LIKE YOU!!! I want someone who has sworn an oath not to kill my Black ass on the orders of some government because it is wrong to decide whether I should live or die not someone who will close their eyes and chant, “The Leader commands me” and pull the f-ing trigger. And if you don’t get that, then I am sorry for you.

About the Oat Keepers and affirmative action, I crack my sides.

Shame on SPLC for the accusation about Fairfield, before OATH KEEPERS had a chance to refute his membership.

Will SPLC printe a correction and/or addenddum while OATH KEEPERS can elaborate on your accusation.

A PROUD OATH KEEPER
Fire Fighter
Father of a NYPD Sergeant

As I’ve said before, I think local government should decide gun rights issues, and I am broadly in favor of protecting the right to keep and bear arms as a question of federal civil liberty, at the same time as I accept controls on gun ownership if so decided by communities and states.

However, I long since cancelled my membership with the NRA when it changed from a sportsman’s organization to one with white supremacist backing and fear mongering instead of rational lobbying.

That said, I insist the issue is not one of firearms, but of the mentality of the firearms owner; more precisely, their avowed membership in an anti-government organization.

We need to implement the same kinds of laws for these crackpots as we have for gang members, who are not allowed to keep and bear arms because they represent a menace to good society. So are the Oath Keepers and other forms of right wing extremists.

Not only did we not see “Patriots” at anti-war rallies, we also didn’t hear them say Word One over the USA PATRIOT Act, illegal wiretapping and FISA violations, torture and illegal detention, War Powers Act violations, treaty-busting and related Supremacy Clause violations, separation of church and state violations, weaponizing space, outing an undercover CIA operative as political vengeance, and so on and so on. None of that stimulated anybody to become OathKeepers and if they say it did they are LYING.

These people are not “Constitution-loving Americans”. They are paranoid racists whose extent of mastery of the Constitution is what crackheads like Glenn Beck tell them on “Founders Friday” and what the NRA tells them about the 2nd Amendment. You don’t have to take my word for it. Go check it out for yourself at their website. There is a thread with almost 2000 posts in it at this link:

http://oathkeepers.org/oath/20.....-not-obey/

If you want to know what OathKeepers are about, let them tell you by what they post to each other and you and me. Let them come forward and identify themselves. Let them open up their financial records.

And most of all, let them stop trying to claim the Constitution and the American flag. There are plenty of ways to be patriotic, and OathKeepers ain’t one of them. You’re no more patriotic than the Weather Underground.

-Wexler

Save your emotional energy for the angst you feel about Americans electing a black President.

We won. You lost. Your born-again Constitution experts act and protests of being upstanding Americans are lies. You are fooling no one except possibly yourselves.

You are a secret organization driven by hate speech code words and crackhead conspiracy theories. You are predicated on some Mad Max post-apocalyptic scenario that you secretly yearn for. If that happens you get to be the big cheeses because you’ve got the guns.

I have spent my adult life as an activist for America and our people. If I thought that OK had any chance of taking root I’d be upset. But the plain fact is that you don’t. The organization is tiny and your message is as hollow as the Tin Man’s can. Anyone with the ability to think it through knows that we can’t tolerate secret organizations within our military and police forces. It JUST CANNOT BE ALLOWED.

The story here with the napalm bomb is just the tip of the iceberg, I’ll bet. My hunch is that OKs will be busted with huge caches of illegal weapons and you will become a very big target on America’s radar screen, rather than just a pimple on her patootie.

-Wexler

Only a small portion of oathkeepers actually paid dues. You do not have to pay to join.

William, I actually feel sorry for you, you are so misguided.
Maybe you like that our freedoms are all being taken away from us by the elites.

Remember those who bury their head in the sand leave their rear ends exposed.

a lot of the patriot movement really started during the Bush administration. The corruption is on both sides of the aisle and it has nothing to do with race. The whole race card thing is not going to work anymore people are starting to see through it. Where does the real corruption come from the Rothschilds and the Rockefellers how about Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi just to mention a few and yes they are all white. Regardless of our color we are all Americans and our government has done a very good job of injecting race and dividing the American people. If we are divided the government will rule. They do not want us coming together as a people that’s why they are doing this to us I for one will not fall into this trap.

I’m getting just a bit weary of folks painting Oath Keepers as some kind of a racist, extremist organization that condones violence.

I’m the Ohio State Chapter President of Oath Keepers. I’m a white Police Officer in a metropolitan police department, who puts his life on the line every day to protect the rights, lives, and property of the citizens. (You know… one of the people who protects your First Amendment right to free speech?)

I’m also married to a beautiful black woman, who is also a member of Oath Keepers. Here’s a link to the page where my wife and I were interviewed by the Oath Keepers Founder, Stewart Rhodes…

http://www.oathkeepers.org/oath/about/

(We’re the third video down from the top)

If you’re just going to parrot “what you’ve heard” about Oath Keepers, I guess there’s probably no hope that you’ll ever gets the facts straight.

Hey, here’s a thought…

Why don’t you actually do your OWN research on Oath Keepers and find out what we’re REALLY all about. Now, I realize that would take some INDEPENDENT thinking but I’m sure you’re capable of it. Just put down that glass of “WE’LL do your thinking FOR you” Koolaid, search out he facts FOR YOURSELF, and come to your OWN conclusions.

Respectfully (and weary from all the half-truths, innuendo, and downright malicious lies about Oath Keepers,

Eddie Gilbert
USMC (1970-1078)
Police Officer (1997-present)

The OK movement is made up of people who suddenly became born-again Constitutionalists when Obama was elected. This movement was born out of racist paranoia and a concerted effort by RWNJ media moguls, who continue to attempt to show that the Obama Administration is part of any one or more conspiracies against the American people. The conspiracies include Obama being ineligible to be President (birthers), Obama being a secret Muslim, Obama being a radical black nationalist, Obama making AmeriCorps into a private police force (with a budget bigger than the Pentagon), Obama is going to take away your guns, Obama this and Obama that. The KEY, common thread in all of these conspiracies is OBAMA, and this is absolutely due to his race and nothing else.

Now you can post here until the cows go away and come home that OK is not a racist group, and the Tea Party movement is not racist, but the facts say otherwise. This is ALL about racism, ranging from general mistrust to seething hatred.

Back to OK. According to Stewart Rhodes they have about 21,000 members. This means that they ought to have, just from dues, $630,000 in cash. I am assuming that they have a similar amount in donations so let’s just call it $1,000,.000. What is the disposition of their money? They don’t advertise, they run a cheap, dumpy little website. I have posted to Stewart that he should provide some evidence of what they are doing with the money. I am thinking illegal weapons cache. This needs to be brought out into the open.

Every person who joins the military or the police force has the obligation to obey orders as defined in the UCMJ or the police force regulations. They take an oath to do this when they join up. In fact, OK is not a re-affirmation of the oath, it’s a conspiracy to disobey orders given in the field. This conspiracy has penetrated, by my calculations, into about 1.17 per cent of the military and police, if Rhodes’ numbers are correct. That means that out of every group of 100 police or military personnel, there is one person who is the member of a secret organization who may or may not turn on you in the heat of battle and decide that they’re not only not going to follow some order, they’re not going to let ANYONE follow it. What happens then? What happens if OK becomes more high profile? Do you want your military including people who conspire to disobey orders?

Of all the problems facing military unit cohesion and dependability, one problem that should NOT be tolerated is secret organizations within the organization. The military should review the OK activity and ban it. They are a dangerous radical organization that appeals to the blind fear and raw racism that runs through white America over our black President.

The FBI should monitor the OathKeepers carefully. Judging by the posts on their website they have attracted some scary people.

Oathkeepers is nonpolitical we do not care who is in the White House. We do care about the Constitution and our mission is to reach teach and inspire. If an unlawful order was given to a police officer or military personnel to do something to you or me that is unlawful we ask that the police and military peacefully stand down.

I have been blocked from posting at their website twice but for whatever reason I’m allowed back on at present.

Thank you for this article, and thank you for working to keep Americans safe from rightwing, racist crackpots who want to “take their country back” because all of a sudden we have a black man in the White House.

-Wexler

Perhaps you’re not familiar with citing sources, such as ‘according to,’ or definition of ‘self-described.’ Instead of pointing the fingers at SPLC and blaming them for writing this, maybe you should reread the article and see where this information came from.

On another note, I’d rather know what’s happening with other American citizens since some of these groups appear to be more of a risk to my safety than the hyped up foreigners the MSM would have us believe. Make no mistake in the matter, there could be people coming here meant to do us harm, but, I am more concerned with the man next door – meaning the American man that is so nice and keeps to himself, yet only waves and says hello then goes on about his business, or the man that comes in wearing a suit to rob a business. Here, the point is, it’s not about race/ethnicity or dress, it’s about who is capable!

“Mr. Alias, I know you’re trying your best—sincerely or otherwise—to defend the Oath Keepers. But can you really honestly defend these people when so many of their members are violating the law?”

Elias in reply – daemonesslisa, you’re correct, I am defending the honor and integrity of the Oath Keepers organization. But I’d like to invite you to consider that I, and indeed our entire organization, in no way wish to defend criminals, racists, or hate-mongers. I mentioned the Darren Huff case as an example – before the FBI hauled him into custody, we had already discovered that he was not worthy of being an Oath Keepers member, and we had revoked his membership. Our by-laws are indeed published on our national website, and they state clearly that Oath Keepers will not tolerate hatred, racism, or violence among our membership, and that such activities, when discovered by our leadership, shall result in expulsion of the offending member off of our membership roster. We have revoked a number of memberships upon our discovery of such offenses. We have over a hundred moderators trying to ride herd on our membership, which is well over 21,000 souls, and we have State Chapter officers over-seeing the deportment and activity of members in our State groups. We abhor criminality, same as any police department, or any military command, seeks to eliminate the “bad apples” who slip into their organizations. But because today’s America exists in a volatile social and cultural condition, there are some disgruntled Americans who must be sought out and expelled from any good organization. Each year, for example, some men and women receive dishonorable discharges from the US Military – that does not mean that the military itself is bad, only that those individuals were. And it shows that when the military discovers someone on its rosters who is not quality material and does not deserve membership in the military, they kick ‘em out. That is exactly what Oath Keepers does.

Deamonesslisa also said – “I don’t always agree with the work/competence of the FBI, but if they are able to find obvious offenders then you can’t honestly defend these vermin with the “not a dues-payer” excuse.”

Elias in reply – Again I’ll point out that Oath Keepers has no wish to defend “vermin”, but we do like to make it clear that such people cannot continue to be members in Oath Keepers once their offenses are known to us. In some cases the media/press has claimed some criminal-types to be members when in truth they were not members, such as the Marine Charles Dyer. He had wanted to join, but after talking with him and learning that he intended to be active in forming new militias, our leadership suggested that he should not join our organization. Oath Keepers shares the vision of Dr. Martin Luther King and Mahatma Gandhi – we are non-violent, peaceful, and moral veterans, active-duty and retired military, peace officers, and Fire Fighters who agree to “stand down”, to “say no”, if ever ordered to commit un-Constitutional orders against the American people. We are America’s premiere organization devoted to the study of, understanding of, and loyalty to, the Constitution – and we focus primarily on the Oath which the Constitution requires all who serve to take. We are an educational organization, period.

Aside to Scott Gordon – Thank you for a lucid perception of the purpose of the Oath Keepers organization. Each of your points is well-taken and nicely stated. You’ve got my salute and my gratitude for being an exemplary American devoted to truth rather than partisan emotionalism. Personally, I would like to bridge the gap in understanding between Oath Keepers and the SPLC. I value the central objectives of SPLC, and believe we all benefit by SPLC’s watch-dog observance of dangerous or criminal types who do exist in today’s troubled world. I would like for SPLC to acknowledge that we at Oath Keepers do the same thing as we monitor our members’ activities. When we encounter dishonorable people within our ranks, we give them the boot.

Our Board of Directors are individually listed on the front page of our website, where it can plainly be seen that we are honorably-discharged veterans, retired career law enforcement officers, and retired military personnel, all with service records indicative of selfless service to the American people and our Constitutional “rule of law” system of self-governance.

Current concerns about Oath Keepers include fears which arise when we remind our troops and cops that their Oath was sworn to the Constitution, and that the Oath is not sworn to the government which came out of that Constitution. It is in Article VI of the Constitution itself, which was written by the people, and by which it was intended to create a government to protect their un-a-lien-able God-given or naturally-derived “rights”. The abuse of misplaced powers which Eisenhower warned us against are indeed possible, and in some demonstrable instances have occurred, and that is why our nation’s founders included the Oath in that Constitution, declaring that the Oath be sworn to the Constitution itself, as opposed to being sworn to any sitting politician or agency of government. Oath Keepers encourages all our cops and soldiers to honor their Oath, and to serve honorably by obeying all lawful orders but to also serve honorably by refusing to obey unlawful orders. As you noted, this would be good for the victims in our foreign wars and also for we the people here on the domestic side of governance.
Thank you, Scott, for an excellent comment.
Salute!
Elias

The expression “Those who lie down with dogs get fleas” is pertinent here.