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Film Review: New Documentary on Hate Revealing

By Seth Levi on August 19, 2010 - 11:38 am, Posted in Hate Groups, Klan, Neo-Nazi

White racial extremists are certain that “their” culture is under attack and has to be defended with guns. “If there is going to be any salvation of our culture, white European culture, violence is guaranteed because they’re not listening,” says long-time neo-Nazi and White Aryan Resistance leader Tom Metzger. I am not quite sure what Metzger is talking about — salvation for European culture in the United States? What exactly is “white culture”? But as Mariah Wilson’s new documentary “Revealing Hate” shows, racial extremists are typically better at advocating and committing violence than coherently explaining their irrational views.

Wilson’s well-constructed film provides a comprehensive introduction to the American white supremacist movement, examining its roots, its current state and a number of its individual voices. Broken into eight chapters, Metzger and the Southern Poverty Law Center’s Intelligence Project Director Mark Potok (who edits this blog) supply the bulk of the commentary. (Full disclosure: One of the chapters focuses on the work of the Intelligence Project.) Metzger offers analysis from the point of view of a racial extremist on the various incidents and people in the film, and Potok is his counterpoint, providing his expertise on hate groups.

Metzger is the most intriguing of Wilson’s interview subjects. While his motivations behind wanting to stop the supposed dilution of the white race are hard to understand — he claims that he became a white supremacist not because of any incident with a minority, but because he “observed” African Americans while in the Army — he is capable of remarkable insight. He is dismissive of the rabblerousing rallies and marches that neo-Nazis like to hold, noting the irony of how reliant these supposed revolutionaries are on the government for the protection of their First Amendment rights — they have to be bused to their rallies from a secret location, escorted by police, placed behind chain fences, and so on. The rallies, as seen in the documentary, are a strange circus of swastikas, 1940s Nazi paraphernalia, sieg-heiling young men, American flags and speeches about being “willing to kill to get back my white America.” Are these American flag-waving neo-Nazis unaware that the United States went to war against the Third Reich?

It’s easy to discount the threat of racial extremists after watching groups like these make a mockery of themselves, so Wilson smartly confronts viewers with the full savagery these people are capable of by focusing on one of the more infamous incidents of extremist violence in America. In 1979, a group of Communist Workers Party members held a “Death to the Klan” rally in Greensboro, N.C. As the rally began, Klan members rolled up in their cars, removed guns from the trunks and opened fire on the protesters, killing five of them. Four local news stations were present to tape the rally and captured the massacre in shocking detail. The first time I watched it I thought it might be a reenactment because the images were so vivid (no shaky, out-of-focus camera work here). Wilson could have chosen to interview people about a more recent crime perpetrated by extremists, such as the 2009 murder of a guard at the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington, D.C., but there is no footage of that attack and a verbal description of what happened beggars the impact of actually seeing Klan members engage in murder.

The white supremacists Wilson examines all have the same broad goal: saving white culture. That goal may be abstract, but the supremacists are action-oriented. Metzger tells racist skinheads to grow their hair out and “get a good education. Get into army, police, anywhere you can get power. … Wait for the big war — like Timothy McVeigh, multiplied by 10,000.” Naturally, he realizes that if you are serious about promoting violence, it is best to keep your head down. (Metzger probably learned that lesson after the SPLC won a $12.5 million civil judgment against him for having helped incite a racially motivated murder). The supremacists all seem to agree that violence will be a component of the white restoration and that people like McVeigh are heroes. But Metzger thinks in more insidious and practical terms.

As Potok notes, the Klan once had tremendous influence among politicians and other authorities. In the film, the famous retired Klan investigator Stetson Kennedy recounts how a Klan official gave him a deathbed account of inducting President Warren Harding into the Klan in a ceremony inside the White House. Today, Metzger and others like him may be having more success than we think at influencing young white supremacists to go underground and seize power. In recent years, for example, fairly large numbers of neo-Nazis and so-called “ghost skins” (skinheads who have grown their hair and, essentially, gone undercover) have entered the military to gain military skills for later action. (The SPLC produced major reports on this phenomenon, ultimately resulting in a change of Pentagon policy meant to keep such extremists out.)  The threat is no longer just lone wolves like Timothy McVeigh committing domestic terrorism, but Manchurian candidates who can influence public policy and upend our laws without having to fire a shot.

“Revealing Hate” is well worth watching, as the couple of film festival awards it’s already landed suggest. It has not been shown as of yet on national television, but it continues to receive film festival and local TV screenings and is likely to get more — upcoming dates and locations are available at the film’s site. A DVD of the film, available here, also goes on sale beginning Tuesday.

  • Ruslan Amirkhanov

    “Actually, I have a social life and got better things to do than sit in front of a computer all day, unlike you. But hey, nice attempt at “Kavkaz” humor. ”

    Sure you do, you WNs are known for your social lives. By the way, you do know I’m not Caucasian right?

    “Moron, I wasn’t even comparing the Indo European languages with Caucasian ones, I was saying how there’s no semblance between them whatsoever. ”

    Read the sentence above and then figure out who the “moron” is.

    “They are Europeans, even though they don’t speak Indo-European languages, because linguistic affiliation has no relation with race. Just because Bengalis’ language is Indo-European, does that make them “white”? No, they’re semi-Australoid. ”

    What makes them “European” then? Finno-Ugrians and Magyars did not originate in Europe.

    “If by that, you mean Andy Garcia and Charlie Sheen kind of “Latinos”, then yes, I agree with you completely. ”

    Nope, any Latino that has lived in America for a considerable amount of time and speaks English fluently.

    “Because historically, in the ancient times , the whites existed throughout the Near East, Central Asia and North Africa.”

    They weren’t “whites” idiot. They were Greeks, Persians, or whatever.

    “. That’s why Tajiks, in terms of physical appearance, they look more like Jackie Chan or Hosni Mubarak, rather than Dolph Lundgren or Brigitte Bardot.”

    So you actually believe there were ancient Persians running around looking like Dolph Lundgren? And were you aware that Tajiks don’t generally resemble Mubarak or Jackie Chan in the slightest?

  • The BarbaryFalcon

    “Must have taken you a long time on Wikipedia”

    Actually, I have a social life and got better things to do than sit in front of a computer all day, unlike you. But hey, nice attempt at “Kavkaz” humor.

    “Your linguistic comparisons between Indo-European and Caucasian languages is ridiculous.”

    Moron, I wasn’t even comparing the Indo European languages with Caucasian ones, I was saying how there’s no semblance between them whatsoever.

    “By your logic then Finns and Magyars(along with Basques) aren’t European either.”

    They are Europeans, even though they don’t speak Indo-European languages, because linguistic affiliation has no relation with race. Just because Bengalis’ language is Indo-European, does that make them “white”? No, they’re semi-Australoid.

    “You share more in common with American Latinos”

    If by that, you mean Andy Garcia and Charlie Sheen kind of “Latinos”, then yes, I agree with you completely.

    “if we use a certain collection of facial features and skin tone as we use in America or parts of Europe- we would have a big problem. We would find “whites” everywhere from the Caucasus and Middle East well into Central Asia, including Pakistan and Afghanistan.”

    Because historically, in the ancient times , the whites existed throughout the Near East, Central Asia and North Africa. But due to tumultuous events in the past 1600 years (epidemics, wars, mass famines, invasions by the Huns, Muslim Arabs, and worst of all, the Mongols) have largely extirpated them in those places. For instance many ancient Greek historians (such as Herodotus) described the ancient Iranic peoples such as Persians, Sogdians, Medes and Scythians as being tall, pale-skinned and with light colored hair and eyes. Looking at the modern-day major Iranic people, like Kurds, Farsiwan Iranians, and Pashtuns, vast majority of them most certainly do not fit those description given above. In Persia, in the past 1400 years, with each successive foreign invasion, first by the Arabs, then by Turks, then by Mongols, and then by Turks again, the original Persian peoples’ numbers were depleted. This is especially true with the Mongol invasions which resulted in a population drop anywhere between 60 to 80%. And as the ethnic Persians were disappearing, those above mentioned invaders’ descendants took up their place. With rapes of local women occurring, of course. I suspect that today’s “Persians” of Iran is most part not even of the same stock as the Persians of the times of Cyrus, Darius and Xerxes. A similar thing can be said of Tajikistan and Afghanistan. That’s why Tajiks, in terms of physical appearance, they look more like Jackie Chan or Hosni Mubarak, rather than Dolph Lundgren or Brigitte Bardot. Sure, there are some exceptions. But they are just that, a rare exception rather than a rule. A few relics of the old population that has somehow managed to survive into the modern age.

  • Ruslan Amirkhanov

    Must have taken you a long time on Wikipedia. No matter, I was busy fighting through the legions of Russian skinheads who “stomp around Moscow” according to you.

    Your linguistic comparisons between Indo-European and Caucasian languages is ridiculous. By your logic then Finns and Magyars(along with Basques) aren’t European either. Also if you had actually spent more time studying history you would know that Russian mixing with Turks is not something that began with the Mongol invasion- Kypchak Turks, Bulgars, and Pechenegs occupied the Steppes as far as Ukraine for quite some time.

    My question for you is what difference does it make. Earlier on you made the comment to the effect of “as dumb as a Circassian.” Have you ever met a Circassian? Whatever the flaws of any individual Circassian, it wasn’t Circassians who ran one of the richest countries(in terms of natural resources) into the ground. Russia isn’t under the thumb of Circassian oligarchs and corrupt bureaucrats.

    Moreover- why is it you seem only to be able to identify “whites” via the words of groups like this “Mexica” movement, or other extremists who nobody cares about? I mean there needs to be some objective standard to measure by. In general, we do not debate about who is Han Chinese, Japanese, Russian, French, or whatever. You may quibble over origin vs. citizenship but either way, most people don’t need to define French, German, Irish, or whatever, via the outbursts of some extremist group who is opposed to that particular nationality. That is to say, we don’t define Serbs by the ideas of the Ustasi, so to speak.

    In short, all this time you have, besides displaying incredible ignorance, failed to define your precious “white people”. You have only been able to point to various people using “white people” in a negative way. Hell, even they don’t define it. Does Rage Against the Machine define white people? Does NWA rap about Poles in Poland or Russians in Russia? No.

    Moreover- the Mexica movement can say whatever they want about the undeniable presence of European genes in the Latino population- but it doesn’t matter. These genetics are not “cancerous” and they are as idiotic to think of them as such as you are to believe that Cacuasians or Turkic genes in Russians somehow detract from Russians as a people. Science has identified various genes, it has thus far not proven any significant value from having certain ratios and collections of these various genes.

    Lastly, just to shatter any illusion you might have of Russia being some savior of your undefinable race- keep in mind that while you may travel around Moscow for well over a year without seeing a single skinhead, on any given day you will not only see hundreds of Caucasians and Central Asians, but also plenty of African immigrants as well. The Russians leave, the Turks and Caucasians fill the gap. You are on the losing side of history.

  • The BarbaryFalcon

    Ruslan Amirkhanov said,

    “Caucasian peoples by the way, are the ancestors of Indo-Europeans”

    The ancestors of Indo-Europeans originated in the Eurasian steppes, in what is now Ukraine and Southern Russia. And can you at least explain what relation is there between the Indo-European languages and those guttural, animal-like sounds that the linguists call “North/South Caucasian languages”? None. The only indigenous non-Indo-European peoples of Europe (outside the Finno-Ugric group) are the Basques, who inhabit the Pyrenees mountains of Southern France and Northern Spain. And Basque is a language with no known relatives. There have been numerous crackpot theories in the past that due its extremely unusual vocabulary, ergative/agglutative grammar and lack of grammatical gender, Basque is somehow related to Caucasian languages like Chechen or Georgian. Thankfully, that has been disproved long ago. The only native Indo-European languages that are spoken in Caucasus are Armenian and the Indo-Iranian Kurdish, Ossetian and Talysh languages, the ancestors of whose speakers migrated from the steppes few thousand years ago.

    “if they knew how much Turk blood they have in them from the Kypchaks, Pechenegs, Bulgars, and so on.”

    Due to invasions and conquests that Russia was forced to endure in its early history, and the rapes that accompanied those invasions, of course there is going to be some kind of outside genetic influence from many hundreds years ago. And so what? There was plenty of Viking invaders (Varangians) who also had their way with Russian women. Does that make the Russian people Norwegian or Swedish? No. Likewise, there’s far more of Finno-Ugric genetic influence due to invasions of Russian lands by Magyars, Tchuds and Permians, Again, does that mean that Russians can be called Finns, Estonians or Hungarians? Of course not. Just like the Mexica Movement has said about the few drops of white blood that Chicanos carry, describing it as “a cancerous scar that pollutes our people’s blood”, the same can be said of the genes of the invaders.

  • Ruslan Amirkhanov

    And let me tell you something all your books and internet sites apparently never did- on any given intersection or market place in Moscow you will see far more Caucasians/Turks than you will ever see skinheads in in this town. Hell I’ve even seen a Terek Grozny match where a group of Chechen fans marched with their Ichkeria flags held high, as police just watched. This is the other reason why they only attack isolated people, with huge ratios and weapons. If they pulled that shit in most areas where Caucasians/Turks work and live, they would be dead.

  • Ruslan Amirkhanov

    “And the skins are still roaming the streets, slashing, bashing and stomping. ”

    Hilarious. Obviously I must be missing something. I’ve been here for over four years and I can count the number of times I’ve seen any skinhead on one hand. Next you’ll tell me purple elephants are walking around as well.

    The fact is the standard of living in Russia is far worse than the US(and I’m not originally from Russia, moron, so I know the difference).

    As for your “points” you really haven’t made any. French people are not Germans, nor are they English or Irish. You are not European, you are American. You share more in common with American Latinos and blacks than any European nationality, especially your beloved Russians.

    I asked you to define white people and white culture. Do you need to be an anthropologist to stand up for such things? If so, you ought to drop out of the movement now. And frankly I can care less what Rage Against the Machine or NWA says about ethnicity or nationality.

    The ironic thing here is your failure to provide concrete European examples of a “white race”- the best you can point to is a bunch of French rioters, some of whom made comments about “white Frenchmen”, and various rap groups. Nobody is suggesting that “white people” isn’t a well-established social construct. We can generally look at anyone and say- “he/she is white”. The problem is if we try to define “white” as some kind of race throughout the world. Then if we use a certain collection of facial features and skin tone as we use in America or parts of Europe- we would have a big problem. We would find “whites” everywhere from the Caucasus and Middle East well into Central Asia, including Pakistan and Afghanistan. And yet culturally these people have virtually nothing in common, and I highly doubt Rage Against the Machine is raging against Tajiks or Iranians in any of their songs(wait a minute, who the hell cares about Rage Against the Machine anymore anyway?).

  • Ruslan Amirkhanov

    By the way, if you can’t get around to defining “white culture” or the “white race”(it’s ok, it’s a common problem), maybe you could at least explain what the hell “tchurkas” is supposed to be. Did you mean Cherkess? Because that’s a specific Caucasian nationality. Caucasian peoples by the way, are the ancestors of Indo-Europeans and Europeans in general(ever hear that term Caucasoid). You Russian skin heroes, being morons, ignore this irony. Oh well, they’d be even more angry if they knew how much Turk blood they have in them from the Kypchaks, Pechenegs, Bulgars, and so on.

  • The BarbaryFalcon

    Ruslan Amirkhanov said,

    “And the best example you have of “whiteness” in Europe is some unsourced story about riots in France?”

    Actually, that fact has been reported (or at least mentioned) in several press reports, including BBC World News, Fox News, Christian Science Monitor and CNN. LOOK IT UP.

    “the overwhelming majority of French people, will sooner identify themselves as French before believing in some mythical equality with Germans, English, Italians”

    As far as that “mythical equality with Germans, English and Italians” goes, the French have actually done that with the two out of those three aforementioned peoples. It’s called Switzerland.

    “and there is no proof it has anything to do with third world immigration either”

    Oh, those vile and evil scientists must be lying

    http://news.nationalgeographic.....haiti.html

    And so are these dirtbag journalists

    http://www.goldcoast.com.au/ar.....-news.html

    But hey, great news. Obama’s administration has lifted the entry ban for those foreigners with AIDS/HIV, so that they can now come to U.S and have much more chances at infecting Americans.

    “your ignorance knows no bounds”

    Aww, how adorable. You pushing your own description onto others.

    “In Russia, people MUST break the law one way or another to survive.”

    “MUST break the law” just to survive, you say? Is Russia truly SUCH a terrible and an atrocious place? Sorry, my bad. I shouldn’t question your infinite wisdom, since you reside in Russia, and I don’t. But since you ARE still alive (and can afford your own computer and Internet), you yourself must be quite a bandit and an outlaw.

    And last, but not least;

    “you should be the champion and tell us all what “white culture” is and who is “white.””

    I’m no anthropology or genetics scientist, so I’m in no position give a precise and fancily-written definition of who are “whites” and what constitutes “white culture.”

    However, Rus, might I suggest you take your question on what exactly are “white people” and “white culture” to the rap “artists” Public Enemy, The Coup and Rage Against the Machine? Considering that it’s those two things they spew their raw, diarrhea-like hatred against, in their so-called “music”, you should be able to get a good answer from them to your such good question.

    Since you couldn’t provide a real response to the points that I’ve made, preferring instead to reply with a barrage of nonsense gabble, YOU FAIL. Epically.

  • The BarbaryFalcon

    Ruslan Amirkhanov said,

    “everything you know about Russia, or the situation in Russia (since you were too dense to figure that out), comes from the internet”

    And also from books, research papers by scholars, news reports and international rankings. Which makes us even, since you as a resident of Russia, also know everything that currently goes on in U.S through Internet and media. Your skull must be denser than that of a Circassian, if you can’t figure it out.

    “Even better- as Putin and Medvedev wish to open the country to more foreign investment, they have started cracking down on these people.”

    Yes, of course they promised that they’ll do it. Just like they also promised to make Russia prosperous, reduce crime, eliminate corruption, and improve public health care. Yet Russia is still “a country with rampant HIV, corruption beyond belief, and no values whatsoever”, as you yourself put it. And the skins are still roaming the streets, slashing, bashing and stomping. So basically whatever the great heroic duo of Vlad and Dimka say, is just nothing more than a lip service that’s worth nil.
    Even more peculiar is how you express such trust and confidence in Putin’s promises. Come on buddy, didn’t I already tell you to at least PRETEND that you’re smart.

    “Unlike in America where there are concepts like freedom of speech, there is no such thing here. So if the skins get out of line they will be crushed in a week”

    Well, since the Russian ultras have broken pretty much every law known to both God and man, what EXACTLY they have to do to be considered “out of line”?

  • Ruslan Amirkhanov

    Thank you for proving my point Barbary, everything you know about Russia, or the situation in Russia(since you were too dense to figure that out), comes from the internet. You sit behind your computer screen and cheer for a worthless movement that most Russians don’t give a damn about. Even better- as Putin and Medvedev wish to open the country to more foreign investment, they have started cracking down on these people. Unlike in America where there are concepts like freedom of speech, there is no such thing here. So if the skins get out of line they will be crushed in a week.

    And the best example you have of “whiteness” in Europe is some unsourced story about riots in France? It still doesn’t change the fact that the overwhelming majority of French people, “white” or otherwise, will sooner identify themselves as French before believing in some mythical equality with Germans, English, Italians, etc.

    Lastly, if you actually think the HIV rate in Russia is equivalent to that in the US(and there is no proof it has anything to do with third world immigration either), your ignorance knows no bounds. In America people sometimes break the law to get ahead. In Russia, people MUST break the law one way or another to survive. Oh those glorious WHITE GENES the Russians have!!!

    So Barbary, enough of your frustrated, ignorant, Russian-wannabe rants. You’ve shown the most dedication in holding a debate here, so you should be the champion and tell us all what “white culture” is and who is “white.”

  • dave

    R. James ,you have neither the weaponry,heart nor brain to do it.

  • Ruslan Amirkhanov

    Hi R. James. Did you come here to define “white culture”, or just spout off more frustrated fantasies like your wannabe-Russian buddy Barbary?

    See R, “whites” aren’t going to be doing anything collectively because “whites” doesn’t mean anything. Besides, if your whole WN narrative were true, “whites” would logically be the stupidest, most worthless “race” on the planet- after all, they keep getting utterly dominated by a tiny minority of Jews every time.

  • The BarbaryFalcon

    Ruslan Amirkhanov said

    “Barbary, what you know about Russia you most likely read on racialist forums”

    Genius, was I even talking about Russia itself? And the information about the skinhead attacks (which was my actual point) I got it from Amnesty International and Sova Center, the human rights organization in Russia. I don’t even waste a second of my time visiting places run by Hitler worshipers.

    “Believe me you go to Europe some day and you are going to learn a very important lesson about how much “white” outside of America.”

    How much “white” what? Can’t you at least pretend to sound smart, and write a complete sentence?
    And as far as the “white people” go, the acknowledgment of their existence in Europe often comes from unexpected people and in unexpected places. Like during the race riots in France couple of years back, when the Muslim “French” thugs went on a rampage, where they attacked the actual native ethnic French people and vandalized/burnt their cars, homes, businesses and other property. All the while explicitly screaming “Kill the WHITE Frenchmen!!” on top of their lungs. All of that in a country that is so “enlightened”, its constitution states that the “Frenchman” is anyone who speaks the French language and has a French passport, and where the law forbids the census from gathering information on the citizens’ race/religion. Or the self-hating antifas/anarchists who call for utter destruction of “white” middle class bourgeoisie.

    “if they cross any Chechens they and their whole family will have their throat cut”

    ANY Chechen, you say. Again, you with your lies. Unless that Chechen in question’s last name happens to be Kadyrov or Basaev, you won’t even hear as much as a dog barking about it. Considering how a Chechen life is worth approximately zero within Chechnya itself, it takes no imagination to see that it’s not valued much outside of it either. There have been plenty of attacks and murders of “Kavkaz” peoples by ultras, Chechens included. And so far, none of the perpetrators or their families have been harmed.

    And now onto your last gem

    “Russia, a country with rampant HIV, corruption beyond belief, and no values whatsoever.”

    Here’s a big, classified secret that I’ll let you in on; we got all of those things here in U.S. too, bud. Augmented by the Third World immigration, in fact. No reason to start idolizing Russia indeed. And yet the fact that you have chosen live there, that doesn’t say much about your own ancestral Islamic homeland itself, now does it?

  • R. James

    Guess what? All of you “anti-racist” lefty, communist types are going to be killing and eating each other very soon as your lords and masters – the Zionist JEWS take the global economy down a few more notches. WW3 is around the corner and you will be at each others throats! Meanwhile, us “irrational” (non-existent & non-cultured according to you people) Whites will be blasting our way to a new and better future without all of the scum and traitors that were nothing more than an infestation of fleas on the old dog. The vain and the useless will perish in a global conflagration that is about to start. And, I wish you all no luck whatsoever!

  • Ruslan Amirkhanov

    There’s nothing so simultaneously funny and sad as American WNs idolizing Russia, a country with rampant HIV, corruption beyond belief, and no values whatsoever.

  • Ruslan Amirkhanov

    Barbary, what you know about Russia you most likely read on racialist forums and the internet, which is to say you obviously don’t know jack about Russia. You haven’t heard of them attacking American citizens- that’s cute. Believe me you go to Europe some day and you are going to learn a very important lesson about how much “white” outside of America.

    It’s sad and pathetic that you try to live vicariously through them. Let me tell you who those losers DON’T attack. The Chechen gangsters and other mafiosi who actually are ruining Russia- they wouldn’t go anywhere near them. They attack Tajik and Uzbek street sweepers and cooks, always 10 on 1. They know that if they cross any Chechens they and their whole family will have their throat cut, and the police won’t do a damned thing about it. Hell, the police would probably give up the addresses of the Nazi warrior-wannabes.

    So let’s hear it Barbary, the wannabe Russian. Tell us all about “white culture.” Define “white culture”. You can’t preserve that which doesn’t exist, so make your case, or continue being a frustrated little American wishing he were Russian.

  • Ruslan Amirkhanov

    Above all though, there is a paradox that makes solving this racial problem very difficult. It is thus: White Americans aren’t “white” because there is no such ethnicity and all European descended Americans come from different groups, many of which had antagonisms which survived in America for quite some time. On the other hand, an Irish American or a German American is not Irish nor German in Ireland or Germany. Think about how often Americans say “I’m Irish!”(particularly on St. Paddy’s day). The fact is that in Ireland that kind of thing pisses people off to no end. Ditto for Scots, Germans, English, pretty much anybody. Maybe your ancestors came from that country but they grew up in an entirely different culture, and in some cases terrain. Hence, we are American above all. This is not some kind of patriotic statement, it’s just a cultural fact.

  • The BarbaryFalcon

    Ruslan Amirkhanov said,

    “Oh and “Barbary Falcon”, you are more likely to get beat down at a Kolovrat concert for being American than I am any day of the week.”

    Oh Rus, you and your pathetic attempts at misinformation. A quick look at the list of victims (both surviving and the dead) of the Russian skins shows overwhelming predominance of tchurkas, like yourself, from “Kavkaz” and Central Asia. All with Islamic surnames that end with Russian patronymic suffixes “-ov” or “-ev”, again like you. On the other hand, I have yet to hear of attacks on American citizens, who aren’t people of color.

    “And the funny thing is imagining you screaming “BUT I’M WHITE!!! I’M WHITE!!!” To no avail.”

    And even more funnier thing would be imagining you screaming “But I’m Russian!! A Russian citizen!!!” while holding up your Russian passport. To no avail, of course.

    After all, I know that in Russia, citizens are actually distinguished between being autochtonous Russians (Russki) and the civic ones who happen to have Russian passports (Rossianin). Perhaps other countries are ought to follow this example, since I find it misleading at how the singer M.I.A, the Sri Lankan Tamil, is called “British.” Or Arash, the Iranian Azeri who happens to reside in Sweden, is referred to as the “Swedish singer” despite having zero semblance to the actual Swedes.

  • http://devlin-mcaliskey.blogspot.com/ Tom Shelley

    I think that Daemmonesslisa’s comment a bit above this is directed at me, not Ruslan.

    I didn’t say whites don’t GET to celebrate their culture. I would say that they don’t do it. And what I was saying was that they identify more as white than as, for example, Greek American. I don’t think that identifying primarily/only as white is helpful. We need to get people to understand that race is socially constructed to weaken the working-class and not really a part of who we really are- I mean we have white privilege and some physical characteristics in common, but we have no white culture, we’re not descended from Whiteland, and the WP ideas about race are bullshit. I think that could help erode white supremacy, and at the very least it can’t hurt.

    Maybe this time I was clearer in expressing myself.

    As far as the people I mentioned, I don’t know what you mean when you say that it isn’t white enough for them. The three people I mentioned (and I could addd Bill Fletcher to this) have made statements that it’s important for White people to understand that they’re not really white, or that it’s important for people to identify more with their ethnic group, not the “white race.”

    Tom

  • daemonesslisa

    Seriously, Ruslan, whites in North America get to celebrate their cultures all the time. The Irish, Italians, French and even the Germans get to do so. And I’m sure other European descendants get to do so as well.

    My guess is that it just isn’t “white” enough for the jackasses you mentioned. But that’s why they’re jackasses.

  • Ruslan Amirkhanov

    Oh and “Barbary Falcon”, you are more likely to get beat down at a Kolovrat concert for being American than I am any day of the week. And the funny thing is imagining you screaming “BUT I’M WHITE!!! I’M WHITE!!!” To no avail.

  • Ruslan Amirkhanov

    If Kolovrat and their fans are “white culture” then that’s pretty pathetic.

    So who’s up for a challenge- what is “white culture”. Step right up and make yourself look like a jackass.

  • http://devlin-mcaliskey.blogspot.com/ Tom Shelley

    I agree that there is no white ethnic group and therefore no white culture. I don’t push this on people, but I think it would be better if anti-/non-racist white people acknowledged that in some ways we are white (white privilege) but identify more as, for example, Italian-American. I think that might have a good effect on white supremacy- and actually I would probably say something similar about racists, it might (combined with other information/experiences) result in them changing.

    I got started thinking about this after reading/hearing things by Angela Davis, Ward Churchill, and James Baldwin.

    I had some trouble organizing my thoughts on this, hopefully it makes sense.

    Tom

  • dave

    I didn’t think of it as an ethnicity as much as an alternative to”Paleface”. It’s also laziness on my part,I say “car” instead of “automobile” out of habit. So it’s “white” instead of “caucasian” ,also it’s less clinical sounding. Still,If “White culture” is “Under Attack” it’s because America is a melting pot and it happens to everyone.

  • The BarbaryFalcon

    Ruslan Amirkhanov said,

    “Todd, feel free to explain what “white culture” is. I need a laugh.”

    There’s no need for an explanation here for what is a “white culture.” Just go to the Kolovrat concert nearest to you, all by yourself. Given your background, you’ll be able “catch” a first-hand experience on your own. LOL.

  • Ruslan Amirkhanov

    There is no such thing as an ethnicity called “white” people. Ergo there is no “white” culture. There is the culture of various European countries, which in turn has been influenced greatly from outside of Europe depending on each country’s specific history.

  • dave

    There are good elements of what white people generally do.That is what is cosidered “Good white culture”. There are bad elements of what white people generally do.That is what is cosidered “bad white culture”. The racism has to go,that and any thug behavior.

  • Ruslan Amirkhanov

    Todd, feel free to explain what “white culture” is. I need a laugh.

  • http://devlin-mcaliskey.blogspot.com/ Tom Shelley

    I might do another comment about some of the other things that have been said.

    But the article and kind of something Carter wrote touch on something I do on my blog. I take the lyrics of a lot of songs I listen and alter them in different ways. One way of doing it is that I take the lyrics of songs I politically despise and twist them into more or less the opposite of those of offensive politics. I listen to a small amount of white supremacist music, partly as research (the lyrics and the images in the YouTube videos) and parftly because it seems I enjoy listening to the music of my enemy.

    The main reason I’m telling you this is that I did a poem (that’s what I call them) about the Greensboro Massacre. I’m a democratic Marxist/left-wing social democrat and as far as I can tell the CWP (which died in the 1980s) is a group whose beliefs and actions I would have a problem with. I thought it was important to mark the 30th anniversary of the massacre. I mean, the CWP members killed are martyrs of what could be called the broad anti-racist movement. I was wondering what supporters of the SPLC think of commemorating the Massacre? The poem is 2/3 the way down a post at http://devlin-mcaliskey.blogsp.....yrics.html (it’s called “Comrades of America”). (you might want to also read the 3rd paragraph from the top of the post)

    Either way, I’d love to get some feed-back on this.

    Thanks,

    Tom

  • skinnyminny

    It is true! Extremists are going underground, changing their names and appearances. Example, Dan Schruender is alleged to be a white supremacist, pictures of him with a swatiska/nazi flag and alleged to have littered Rialto neighborhoods with hate fliers. Now he is running for an elected school board position in Rialto Calif – 75% latino, 15% black. BTW, he is a retired teacher, and his alias is Dan Collins.

    What I don’t understand is that most of the time when they are on the run, they run to a Latin American country! This is truly confusing if, here in the states they hate anyone that is not ‘white.’ There are rumors that Rex Freeman who is wanted in the states is now on the run from Costa Rica under the name Boswell, and is alleged to be in Panama.

  • Snorlax

    I like the analogy to the brown shirts vs. the black shirt SS.

    Some of these morons are more like Mussolini’s crew.

    You know, the ones all the other fascists laughed at.

  • Snorlax

    “White culture” is a racist buzzword.

    I’ve been whiter than rice all my life and there’s no such thing as “white culture”.

    I’m reading the new Intelligence Report on the Sovereign Citizens movement. They use buzzwords too.

    These far right wingnuts are armed and dangerous.

  • Herbert E. Larson

    Even Benjamin Franklin was worried about the dilution of the new American culture, but his was focused on the people who spoke the guttural language German. He thought the people of Germany and countries east and south it would ruin the great society of English and French had established. White culture is a myth that could only have come about in 20th century America where all nationalities lived and worked together. The reality of the white culture is while this was happening in America, the same nationalities were killing each other over presumed slights or the old I am better than you insanity.

  • Carter

    For those who study, work within field affected by bigotry, or interested individuals, “Revealing Hate” is certainly an important film.
    Many books have taken on greater impact as the nation and world is changing.
    And the world (as well, the USA IS changing). We how have the first real African American president. The issues of race and cultural relationships is no longer a taboo subject. Race as a discussion topic is no longer uncommon. There are sources that are vital for those who want to learn as much as they can. There is much more to be done. Those who look forward to a better world for their children should not enclose themselves in a microcosm of their own perspective; it’s vital to know the adversary.
    “Know your adversary as you know yorself” is a very wise concept. For many people that includes not only the works of those who work for a more compassionate interaction within society but the mind of those affected by the “DIS-EASE” of bigotry.
    If the proponents of bigotry choose to deal with this issue on a “war footing”; those who oppose bigotry should be capable of comprehending that.

    I firmly believe that the writings of those who espouse bigotry should be read and studied. This may superficially appear strange but there is vital need for it.
    In addition to the writings of William Pierce, I would suggest that the serious student read Richard Hoskins (The Vigilantes of Christendom: the Story of the Phineas Priesthood, amongst others) & understand the history of people like Tom Metzger. – Those who have risen in the ranks, as it were.

    How can an individual understand, debate, let along cope with, an adversary if he does not know the essence of what their thinking [really is]?

    “[The art of war.....] It is a matter of life and death, a road either to safety or to ruin. Hence it is a subject of inquiry which can on no account be neglected.”
    – Sun Tzu, the Art of War

  • Gary Miller

    Nazi wannabe’s these people. They resemble the Brown shirts more so than the Black shirts.
    I believe they are more Brown shirt in their beliefs and convictions than the Black shirts were capable of doing.
    They are more like thugs rather than intelligent, cold, calculating Reinhard Heydrich’s.

    Nessus

  • Todd

    I don’t believe whites are supreme.

    I do believe white culture has been under attack for some time.

    How? It is being ignored. Dismissed. Pushed to irrelevance.

    You can focus on the bad parts. It’s easy. There are so many examples to chose from. But, there’s also good.

    We’ve been in the middle of a culture war for a long time.
    A constant tug o war of values and priorities.
    Everyone here recognizes this.

    These supremacists fear their culture will die.
    I consider these fears to be valid.

    You don’t know what white culture is. Ok.
    Attend these meetings. Meet these folks.
    Share a meal with these families.
    Away from the meetings.
    Listen to them.
    I think you will get it.
    You seem to be an intelligent person.