Sure you do, you WNs are known for your social lives. By the way, you do know I’m not Caucasian right?

“Moron, I wasn’t even comparing the Indo European languages with Caucasian ones, I was saying how there’s no semblance between them whatsoever. ”

Read the sentence above and then figure out who the “moron” is.

“They are Europeans, even though they don’t speak Indo-European languages, because linguistic affiliation has no relation with race. Just because Bengalis’ language is Indo-European, does that make them “white”? No, they’re semi-Australoid. ”

What makes them “European” then? Finno-Ugrians and Magyars did not originate in Europe.

“If by that, you mean Andy Garcia and Charlie Sheen kind of “Latinos”, then yes, I agree with you completely. ”

Nope, any Latino that has lived in America for a considerable amount of time and speaks English fluently.

“Because historically, in the ancient times , the whites existed throughout the Near East, Central Asia and North Africa.”

They weren’t “whites” idiot. They were Greeks, Persians, or whatever.

“. That’s why Tajiks, in terms of physical appearance, they look more like Jackie Chan or Hosni Mubarak, rather than Dolph Lundgren or Brigitte Bardot.”

So you actually believe there were ancient Persians running around looking like Dolph Lundgren? And were you aware that Tajiks don’t generally resemble Mubarak or Jackie Chan in the slightest?

Actually, I have a social life and got better things to do than sit in front of a computer all day, unlike you. But hey, nice attempt at “Kavkaz” humor.

“Your linguistic comparisons between Indo-European and Caucasian languages is ridiculous.”

Moron, I wasn’t even comparing the Indo European languages with Caucasian ones, I was saying how there’s no semblance between them whatsoever.

“By your logic then Finns and Magyars(along with Basques) aren’t European either.”

They are Europeans, even though they don’t speak Indo-European languages, because linguistic affiliation has no relation with race. Just because Bengalis’ language is Indo-European, does that make them “white”? No, they’re semi-Australoid.

“You share more in common with American Latinos”

If by that, you mean Andy Garcia and Charlie Sheen kind of “Latinos”, then yes, I agree with you completely.

“if we use a certain collection of facial features and skin tone as we use in America or parts of Europe- we would have a big problem. We would find “whites” everywhere from the Caucasus and Middle East well into Central Asia, including Pakistan and Afghanistan.”

Because historically, in the ancient times , the whites existed throughout the Near East, Central Asia and North Africa. But due to tumultuous events in the past 1600 years (epidemics, wars, mass famines, invasions by the Huns, Muslim Arabs, and worst of all, the Mongols) have largely extirpated them in those places. For instance many ancient Greek historians (such as Herodotus) described the ancient Iranic peoples such as Persians, Sogdians, Medes and Scythians as being tall, pale-skinned and with light colored hair and eyes. Looking at the modern-day major Iranic people, like Kurds, Farsiwan Iranians, and Pashtuns, vast majority of them most certainly do not fit those description given above. In Persia, in the past 1400 years, with each successive foreign invasion, first by the Arabs, then by Turks, then by Mongols, and then by Turks again, the original Persian peoples’ numbers were depleted. This is especially true with the Mongol invasions which resulted in a population drop anywhere between 60 to 80%. And as the ethnic Persians were disappearing, those above mentioned invaders’ descendants took up their place. With rapes of local women occurring, of course. I suspect that today’s “Persians” of Iran is most part not even of the same stock as the Persians of the times of Cyrus, Darius and Xerxes. A similar thing can be said of Tajikistan and Afghanistan. That’s why Tajiks, in terms of physical appearance, they look more like Jackie Chan or Hosni Mubarak, rather than Dolph Lundgren or Brigitte Bardot. Sure, there are some exceptions. But they are just that, a rare exception rather than a rule. A few relics of the old population that has somehow managed to survive into the modern age.

Your linguistic comparisons between Indo-European and Caucasian languages is ridiculous. By your logic then Finns and Magyars(along with Basques) aren’t European either. Also if you had actually spent more time studying history you would know that Russian mixing with Turks is not something that began with the Mongol invasion- Kypchak Turks, Bulgars, and Pechenegs occupied the Steppes as far as Ukraine for quite some time.

My question for you is what difference does it make. Earlier on you made the comment to the effect of “as dumb as a Circassian.” Have you ever met a Circassian? Whatever the flaws of any individual Circassian, it wasn’t Circassians who ran one of the richest countries(in terms of natural resources) into the ground. Russia isn’t under the thumb of Circassian oligarchs and corrupt bureaucrats.

Moreover- why is it you seem only to be able to identify “whites” via the words of groups like this “Mexica” movement, or other extremists who nobody cares about? I mean there needs to be some objective standard to measure by. In general, we do not debate about who is Han Chinese, Japanese, Russian, French, or whatever. You may quibble over origin vs. citizenship but either way, most people don’t need to define French, German, Irish, or whatever, via the outbursts of some extremist group who is opposed to that particular nationality. That is to say, we don’t define Serbs by the ideas of the Ustasi, so to speak.

In short, all this time you have, besides displaying incredible ignorance, failed to define your precious “white people”. You have only been able to point to various people using “white people” in a negative way. Hell, even they don’t define it. Does Rage Against the Machine define white people? Does NWA rap about Poles in Poland or Russians in Russia? No.

Moreover- the Mexica movement can say whatever they want about the undeniable presence of European genes in the Latino population- but it doesn’t matter. These genetics are not “cancerous” and they are as idiotic to think of them as such as you are to believe that Cacuasians or Turkic genes in Russians somehow detract from Russians as a people. Science has identified various genes, it has thus far not proven any significant value from having certain ratios and collections of these various genes.

Lastly, just to shatter any illusion you might have of Russia being some savior of your undefinable race- keep in mind that while you may travel around Moscow for well over a year without seeing a single skinhead, on any given day you will not only see hundreds of Caucasians and Central Asians, but also plenty of African immigrants as well. The Russians leave, the Turks and Caucasians fill the gap. You are on the losing side of history.

“Caucasian peoples by the way, are the ancestors of Indo-Europeans”

The ancestors of Indo-Europeans originated in the Eurasian steppes, in what is now Ukraine and Southern Russia. And can you at least explain what relation is there between the Indo-European languages and those guttural, animal-like sounds that the linguists call “North/South Caucasian languages”? None. The only indigenous non-Indo-European peoples of Europe (outside the Finno-Ugric group) are the Basques, who inhabit the Pyrenees mountains of Southern France and Northern Spain. And Basque is a language with no known relatives. There have been numerous crackpot theories in the past that due its extremely unusual vocabulary, ergative/agglutative grammar and lack of grammatical gender, Basque is somehow related to Caucasian languages like Chechen or Georgian. Thankfully, that has been disproved long ago. The only native Indo-European languages that are spoken in Caucasus are Armenian and the Indo-Iranian Kurdish, Ossetian and Talysh languages, the ancestors of whose speakers migrated from the steppes few thousand years ago.

“if they knew how much Turk blood they have in them from the Kypchaks, Pechenegs, Bulgars, and so on.”

Due to invasions and conquests that Russia was forced to endure in its early history, and the rapes that accompanied those invasions, of course there is going to be some kind of outside genetic influence from many hundreds years ago. And so what? There was plenty of Viking invaders (Varangians) who also had their way with Russian women. Does that make the Russian people Norwegian or Swedish? No. Likewise, there’s far more of Finno-Ugric genetic influence due to invasions of Russian lands by Magyars, Tchuds and Permians, Again, does that mean that Russians can be called Finns, Estonians or Hungarians? Of course not. Just like the Mexica Movement has said about the few drops of white blood that Chicanos carry, describing it as “a cancerous scar that pollutes our people’s blood”, the same can be said of the genes of the invaders.

Hilarious. Obviously I must be missing something. I’ve been here for over four years and I can count the number of times I’ve seen any skinhead on one hand. Next you’ll tell me purple elephants are walking around as well.

The fact is the standard of living in Russia is far worse than the US(and I’m not originally from Russia, moron, so I know the difference).

As for your “points” you really haven’t made any. French people are not Germans, nor are they English or Irish. You are not European, you are American. You share more in common with American Latinos and blacks than any European nationality, especially your beloved Russians.

I asked you to define white people and white culture. Do you need to be an anthropologist to stand up for such things? If so, you ought to drop out of the movement now. And frankly I can care less what Rage Against the Machine or NWA says about ethnicity or nationality.

The ironic thing here is your failure to provide concrete European examples of a “white race”- the best you can point to is a bunch of French rioters, some of whom made comments about “white Frenchmen”, and various rap groups. Nobody is suggesting that “white people” isn’t a well-established social construct. We can generally look at anyone and say- “he/she is white”. The problem is if we try to define “white” as some kind of race throughout the world. Then if we use a certain collection of facial features and skin tone as we use in America or parts of Europe- we would have a big problem. We would find “whites” everywhere from the Caucasus and Middle East well into Central Asia, including Pakistan and Afghanistan. And yet culturally these people have virtually nothing in common, and I highly doubt Rage Against the Machine is raging against Tajiks or Iranians in any of their songs(wait a minute, who the hell cares about Rage Against the Machine anymore anyway?).

“And the best example you have of “whiteness” in Europe is some unsourced story about riots in France?”

Actually, that fact has been reported (or at least mentioned) in several press reports, including BBC World News, Fox News, Christian Science Monitor and CNN. LOOK IT UP.

“the overwhelming majority of French people, will sooner identify themselves as French before believing in some mythical equality with Germans, English, Italians”

As far as that “mythical equality with Germans, English and Italians” goes, the French have actually done that with the two out of those three aforementioned peoples. It’s called Switzerland.

“and there is no proof it has anything to do with third world immigration either”

Oh, those vile and evil scientists must be lying

http://news.nationalgeographic.....haiti.html

And so are these dirtbag journalists

http://www.goldcoast.com.au/ar.....-news.html

But hey, great news. Obama’s administration has lifted the entry ban for those foreigners with AIDS/HIV, so that they can now come to U.S and have much more chances at infecting Americans.

“your ignorance knows no bounds”

Aww, how adorable. You pushing your own description onto others.

“In Russia, people MUST break the law one way or another to survive.”

“MUST break the law” just to survive, you say? Is Russia truly SUCH a terrible and an atrocious place? Sorry, my bad. I shouldn’t question your infinite wisdom, since you reside in Russia, and I don’t. But since you ARE still alive (and can afford your own computer and Internet), you yourself must be quite a bandit and an outlaw.

And last, but not least;

“you should be the champion and tell us all what “white culture” is and who is “white.””

I’m no anthropology or genetics scientist, so I’m in no position give a precise and fancily-written definition of who are “whites” and what constitutes “white culture.”

However, Rus, might I suggest you take your question on what exactly are “white people” and “white culture” to the rap “artists” Public Enemy, The Coup and Rage Against the Machine? Considering that it’s those two things they spew their raw, diarrhea-like hatred against, in their so-called “music”, you should be able to get a good answer from them to your such good question.

Since you couldn’t provide a real response to the points that I’ve made, preferring instead to reply with a barrage of nonsense gabble, YOU FAIL. Epically.

“everything you know about Russia, or the situation in Russia (since you were too dense to figure that out), comes from the internet”

And also from books, research papers by scholars, news reports and international rankings. Which makes us even, since you as a resident of Russia, also know everything that currently goes on in U.S through Internet and media. Your skull must be denser than that of a Circassian, if you can’t figure it out.

“Even better- as Putin and Medvedev wish to open the country to more foreign investment, they have started cracking down on these people.”

Yes, of course they promised that they’ll do it. Just like they also promised to make Russia prosperous, reduce crime, eliminate corruption, and improve public health care. Yet Russia is still “a country with rampant HIV, corruption beyond belief, and no values whatsoever”, as you yourself put it. And the skins are still roaming the streets, slashing, bashing and stomping. So basically whatever the great heroic duo of Vlad and Dimka say, is just nothing more than a lip service that’s worth nil.
Even more peculiar is how you express such trust and confidence in Putin’s promises. Come on buddy, didn’t I already tell you to at least PRETEND that you’re smart.

“Unlike in America where there are concepts like freedom of speech, there is no such thing here. So if the skins get out of line they will be crushed in a week”

Well, since the Russian ultras have broken pretty much every law known to both God and man, what EXACTLY they have to do to be considered “out of line”?

And the best example you have of “whiteness” in Europe is some unsourced story about riots in France? It still doesn’t change the fact that the overwhelming majority of French people, “white” or otherwise, will sooner identify themselves as French before believing in some mythical equality with Germans, English, Italians, etc.

Lastly, if you actually think the HIV rate in Russia is equivalent to that in the US(and there is no proof it has anything to do with third world immigration either), your ignorance knows no bounds. In America people sometimes break the law to get ahead. In Russia, people MUST break the law one way or another to survive. Oh those glorious WHITE GENES the Russians have!!!

So Barbary, enough of your frustrated, ignorant, Russian-wannabe rants. You’ve shown the most dedication in holding a debate here, so you should be the champion and tell us all what “white culture” is and who is “white.”

See R, “whites” aren’t going to be doing anything collectively because “whites” doesn’t mean anything. Besides, if your whole WN narrative were true, “whites” would logically be the stupidest, most worthless “race” on the planet- after all, they keep getting utterly dominated by a tiny minority of Jews every time.

“Barbary, what you know about Russia you most likely read on racialist forums”

Genius, was I even talking about Russia itself? And the information about the skinhead attacks (which was my actual point) I got it from Amnesty International and Sova Center, the human rights organization in Russia. I don’t even waste a second of my time visiting places run by Hitler worshipers.

“Believe me you go to Europe some day and you are going to learn a very important lesson about how much “white” outside of America.”

How much “white” what? Can’t you at least pretend to sound smart, and write a complete sentence?
And as far as the “white people” go, the acknowledgment of their existence in Europe often comes from unexpected people and in unexpected places. Like during the race riots in France couple of years back, when the Muslim “French” thugs went on a rampage, where they attacked the actual native ethnic French people and vandalized/burnt their cars, homes, businesses and other property. All the while explicitly screaming “Kill the WHITE Frenchmen!!” on top of their lungs. All of that in a country that is so “enlightened”, its constitution states that the “Frenchman” is anyone who speaks the French language and has a French passport, and where the law forbids the census from gathering information on the citizens’ race/religion. Or the self-hating antifas/anarchists who call for utter destruction of “white” middle class bourgeoisie.

“if they cross any Chechens they and their whole family will have their throat cut”

ANY Chechen, you say. Again, you with your lies. Unless that Chechen in question’s last name happens to be Kadyrov or Basaev, you won’t even hear as much as a dog barking about it. Considering how a Chechen life is worth approximately zero within Chechnya itself, it takes no imagination to see that it’s not valued much outside of it either. There have been plenty of attacks and murders of “Kavkaz” peoples by ultras, Chechens included. And so far, none of the perpetrators or their families have been harmed.

And now onto your last gem

“Russia, a country with rampant HIV, corruption beyond belief, and no values whatsoever.”

Here’s a big, classified secret that I’ll let you in on; we got all of those things here in U.S. too, bud. Augmented by the Third World immigration, in fact. No reason to start idolizing Russia indeed. And yet the fact that you have chosen live there, that doesn’t say much about your own ancestral Islamic homeland itself, now does it?

It’s sad and pathetic that you try to live vicariously through them. Let me tell you who those losers DON’T attack. The Chechen gangsters and other mafiosi who actually are ruining Russia- they wouldn’t go anywhere near them. They attack Tajik and Uzbek street sweepers and cooks, always 10 on 1. They know that if they cross any Chechens they and their whole family will have their throat cut, and the police won’t do a damned thing about it. Hell, the police would probably give up the addresses of the Nazi warrior-wannabes.

So let’s hear it Barbary, the wannabe Russian. Tell us all about “white culture.” Define “white culture”. You can’t preserve that which doesn’t exist, so make your case, or continue being a frustrated little American wishing he were Russian.

“Oh and “Barbary Falcon”, you are more likely to get beat down at a Kolovrat concert for being American than I am any day of the week.”

Oh Rus, you and your pathetic attempts at misinformation. A quick look at the list of victims (both surviving and the dead) of the Russian skins shows overwhelming predominance of tchurkas, like yourself, from “Kavkaz” and Central Asia. All with Islamic surnames that end with Russian patronymic suffixes “-ov” or “-ev”, again like you. On the other hand, I have yet to hear of attacks on American citizens, who aren’t people of color.

“And the funny thing is imagining you screaming “BUT I’M WHITE!!! I’M WHITE!!!” To no avail.”

And even more funnier thing would be imagining you screaming “But I’m Russian!! A Russian citizen!!!” while holding up your Russian passport. To no avail, of course.

After all, I know that in Russia, citizens are actually distinguished between being autochtonous Russians (Russki) and the civic ones who happen to have Russian passports (Rossianin). Perhaps other countries are ought to follow this example, since I find it misleading at how the singer M.I.A, the Sri Lankan Tamil, is called “British.” Or Arash, the Iranian Azeri who happens to reside in Sweden, is referred to as the “Swedish singer” despite having zero semblance to the actual Swedes.

I didn’t say whites don’t GET to celebrate their culture. I would say that they don’t do it. And what I was saying was that they identify more as white than as, for example, Greek American. I don’t think that identifying primarily/only as white is helpful. We need to get people to understand that race is socially constructed to weaken the working-class and not really a part of who we really are- I mean we have white privilege and some physical characteristics in common, but we have no white culture, we’re not descended from Whiteland, and the WP ideas about race are bullshit. I think that could help erode white supremacy, and at the very least it can’t hurt.

Maybe this time I was clearer in expressing myself.

As far as the people I mentioned, I don’t know what you mean when you say that it isn’t white enough for them. The three people I mentioned (and I could addd Bill Fletcher to this) have made statements that it’s important for White people to understand that they’re not really white, or that it’s important for people to identify more with their ethnic group, not the “white race.”

Tom

My guess is that it just isn’t “white” enough for the jackasses you mentioned. But that’s why they’re jackasses.

So who’s up for a challenge- what is “white culture”. Step right up and make yourself look like a jackass.

I got started thinking about this after reading/hearing things by Angela Davis, Ward Churchill, and James Baldwin.

I had some trouble organizing my thoughts on this, hopefully it makes sense.

Tom

“Todd, feel free to explain what “white culture” is. I need a laugh.”

There’s no need for an explanation here for what is a “white culture.” Just go to the Kolovrat concert nearest to you, all by yourself. Given your background, you’ll be able “catch” a first-hand experience on your own. LOL.

But the article and kind of something Carter wrote touch on something I do on my blog. I take the lyrics of a lot of songs I listen and alter them in different ways. One way of doing it is that I take the lyrics of songs I politically despise and twist them into more or less the opposite of those of offensive politics. I listen to a small amount of white supremacist music, partly as research (the lyrics and the images in the YouTube videos) and parftly because it seems I enjoy listening to the music of my enemy.

The main reason I’m telling you this is that I did a poem (that’s what I call them) about the Greensboro Massacre. I’m a democratic Marxist/left-wing social democrat and as far as I can tell the CWP (which died in the 1980s) is a group whose beliefs and actions I would have a problem with. I thought it was important to mark the 30th anniversary of the massacre. I mean, the CWP members killed are martyrs of what could be called the broad anti-racist movement. I was wondering what supporters of the SPLC think of commemorating the Massacre? The poem is 2/3 the way down a post at http://devlin-mcaliskey.blogsp.....yrics.html (it’s called “Comrades of America”). (you might want to also read the 3rd paragraph from the top of the post)

Either way, I’d love to get some feed-back on this.

Thanks,

Tom

What I don’t understand is that most of the time when they are on the run, they run to a Latin American country! This is truly confusing if, here in the states they hate anyone that is not ‘white.’ There are rumors that Rex Freeman who is wanted in the states is now on the run from Costa Rica under the name Boswell, and is alleged to be in Panama.