Being indigenous who also migrated 10,000 years before from present day Russia to Alaska….but still created their own culture…
Not at one point did they create a culture like the United States…..United States culture was never created by anybody else until the British explorers arrived in the present day area of the US.

American national anthem?…the American flag?..American law?….all were created by the British and their American descendents…..Thats what makes the united states a successful country just like Canada……most of the other countries in the Americas have huge populations of Native indians and how rich are they??..they all the rich native indian culture you can get but they still want to come to a European-based cultures like the United States…..although this is changing and that is going to make the US a failing unequal society just like its neighbours….the reason why the US has this problem now is because of the last 40 year goverment that doesnt care as much as its former who only wanted the USA to have a western society…how can a country be western and be non-european?…well…it cant….western culture is European…Its also funny how people seem to forget that they express themselves through a European language called English…or Spanish.

“barbaryfalcon……you tell us that we do not read history….”

and you obviously don’t, since everything you said comes from chicano romanticism/fiction novels.

“you call mestizos of which i am one and indigenous people of this continent illegal aliens….our ancestors have been in north america for tens of thousands of years”

it’s absolutely hilarious how you admit of being a product of the white spanish conquistadors’ indiscretion with indian aztec women, and yet immediately express your affinity with the non-white (“indigena”) side of your ancestry. that is, of course, if you’re even of actual mixed spanish/indian descent, a “biological” mestizo. after all, from my travels to various latin american countries, i have learned that the term “mestizo” itself has a vague definition, because it can also be used by the pure-blooded indios who adopt nombres españoles and try to enter the mainstream society, and are too ashamed of their true ethnicity and believe that they can convince someone that they’ve got traces of white blood in them.

and yes, your indian ancestors have lived for a few thousand years and are native…. to the south of the rio grande river. because you see ruben, your aztec/mayan ancestors would have a hard time crossing the border into the present-day U.S, if they even wanted to, because the native americans of southwest, the Apaches, Comanches and Navajos would’ve simply not have allowed it. as someone has recently pointed out, while the modern day U.S border patrol generally avoids harming mexican and central american illegals, back in the old days, the Comanches would have had no such reservations to any intruders upon their territory. if you’re too dense understand that ruben, that means, mexicans crossing uninvited north of rio grande would have still been viewed as illegals 500 years ago, as they are now.

And yes, I just stole Rus’ own arguments that he uses while railing against the existence of European culture and unity, to destroy ruben’s claims that his precious Mayan/Aztec ancestors somehow actually are (or were) one with the Cherokees, Crees, Sioux or other Indigenous tribes of present-day United States and Canada.

“Gee that’s funny, Barby is REALLY concerned with the negative actions of the “white elite” of Mexico, but doesn’t have a problem with the white elite of America.”

It’s funny indeed, how there are white elites everywhere on both American continents, isn’t it? A lot of the organizations of all political stripes, ranging from A3P and AmRen to MoveOn.org and SPLC, are founded and run by whites. Hell, even the current head of NAACP, Benjamin Jealous is only 1/4 “colored”. As it can be seen from here;

http://dallassouthblog.com/200.....president/

In Latin America, the whites are TRULY the masters and rulers. And the actual demographics of those countries in question mean nothing. Whether it’s the “mestizo” countries like Mexico and Colombia, or majority-”indigenas” countries like Guatemala and Peru, or majority-criollo countries like Argentina and Uruguay. In all those nations, the ruling class is white. And this is completely regardless of what sides of the political spectrum they’re on, as evidenced by Augusto Pinochet’s right wing government in Chile, or Fidel Castro Communist government in Cuba. But both dominated by pale European-descended, pasty white elites.

Hell, in a more grotesque example of “white elitism”, even the Mexico’s indigenous peoples’ uprising movement, the Zapatistas, is actually led by a son of Spanish immigrants.

On a side note, Pinochet himself was of French ancestry, as evidenced by his surname, while both Castro brothers are also direct descendants of immigrants from Spain.

You know I’m just spit-ballin’ here but maybe the reason the film deals with immigration in America is that it is an American film, produced for an American audience, which would be totally familiar with the immigration controversy.

Boarder towns can be as nasty as certain small towns in the USA….it’s a fact of life. Mexican people can be heroes or bad guys just like anybody else.
I think it’s nice that people has sensitivity toward issues of stereotyping but as far back as that (I was a very little boy) I knew that Mexican can be heroes. And apparently so did the scriptwriters of that era.

I don’t know where you would ever get a copy of “Touch of Evil” but it’s the same thing as “Machete” without the blood and gut and naked buttocks.
I like “Machete” for a lot of reasons but one of them was that it was as “campy” as it gets. If someone honestly believes that Machete” was anything but a “over-the-top” entertainment flick they may be a bit too touchy.

I worked in Mexico for a little while & they have “over-the-top” flicks too. Some of them be be deemed quite anti-Gringo but we all know that there’s a lot of decent whites & that stuff is all movies.

They call it acting because it’s BS. Actors are paid to convince the public that they are something they are not.
It’s like Sly Stallone pretending to speak for veterans during his “Rambo” series…. Remember his heart-felt appeals toward the ending (or beginning) of all those horrible films when he would talk about the raw deal vets were getting? Utter BS!

Few clear thinking people would think that veterans are running around with steroid muscles, knives & machine guns fighting naughty law enforcement……

It’s just a grindhouse movie focusing on the issue du jour.

But the reactionaries and the hate-mongers are always looking for conspiracies to ‘prove’ whatever it is they are trying to prove. Especially in art, since they think the art world is run by their percieved enemies.They read into it what they want to see. That’s how its always been.

Not to mention the fact that these loonies actually hate art and love to try to censor it. This is a part of a long-running war between fascist censorship and artistic freedom, with a good dose of paranoia thrown in for good measure.

As an aside, pretty much all of these ‘white power’ groups and spokesmen are owned by the FBI or even the CIA. They’re here to stir up hatred between people and keep us separated. Divide and conquer.

I can’t wait to see Machete, though. With a cast like that, it must be good. I’ve always been a huge fan of Michelle Rodriguez. That’s my girl. =)

Danny Trejo will be there!!!!

Also, while Islam is not a “race” per se, it usually has a racial connotation in the heads of those stupid enough to have an irrational fear of Islam. To them, Islam = Arab/brown.

Nowadays, that White Supremacists are tasting the very same poison, that non-Whites have endured. It seems that they haven’t the fortitude to accept that they aren’t always seen as the supreme White hero that they once cherished in the hey day era of Hollywood films.

Times have changed.

You’ve obviously never heard of Bosnia or Bosniaks, have you?

Islam isn’t a race and Muslims can be of any shade or color.

I think everyone should view this movie. I personally don’t view this as a way to advocate a race war. I think it would be an opportunity for people to gain an understanding of differences in culture.

In light of the situation in Los Angeles with the Guatemalan, it came jogged my memory of the adoptions in Guatemalan children when viewing the website http://www.belizeforum.com story “mob burns down crocodile sanctuary in Punta Gorda.” A poster listed the information about why some Guatemalans are distrustful, and mentioned the state dept – advisory to prospective tourists….but, after reading the comments of American posters about the burning of the crocodile sanctuary, some of these comments were just awful. Meanwhile, the American who owned the sanctuary told the news that the Mayans were ’savages, and that the Mayans shouldn’t be allowed the live in Belize, and he would make this an international story, he would bring suit against the villagers….’

What I don’t understand about this, the villagers children sold fruits for a living, meanwhile, the sanctuary receives donations. The children are still missing…..The Americans are in another country, but, the native people are to behave like Americans. This can also be seen at “chaos in Punta Gorda” http://www.7newsbelize.com/sstory.php?nid=17738

I am so glad SPLC brought this to people’s attention. That there is a outcry about this film, because people need to be aware of what is really happening. It is so sad that SOME whites continue to want to suppress/oppress people based on ethnicity.

(Come to think of it, how many of Branson’s “music shows” are subtle conduits of conservative and “patriot” propaganda?)