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	<title>Comments on: JDL Leader’s Shooting Trial to Resume Next Month in Michigan</title>
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		<title>By: Tzadok Ben Ori</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2010/09/23/jdl-leaders-shooting-trial-resume-in-michigan/comment-page-1/#comment-265429</link>
		<dc:creator>Tzadok Ben Ori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Mar 2011 14:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Clear case of self defense.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clear case of self defense.</p>
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		<title>By: skinnyminny</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2010/09/23/jdl-leaders-shooting-trial-resume-in-michigan/comment-page-1/#comment-198730</link>
		<dc:creator>skinnyminny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Sep 2010 21:03:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Carter,
You&#039;re too funny! I love it!

But, on a serious note, I think this is disrespectful for people to call the immigrants (brown people) &#039;illegal aliens.&#039; Here&#039;s the reason I say this, I&#039;ve noticed when it comes to &#039;European&#039; immigrants, it is often said by these same people, &#039;oh, he&#039;s German&#039;, or, &#039;he&#039;s a German citizen&#039;, and sometimes &#039;he&#039;s a German national.&#039; I guess more familiar would be Russians, you would normally hear they are Russians, immigrant/national/citizen is more than often left out.

But, thanks for the joke! I was rolling on the floor laughing with this one!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carter,<br />
You&#8217;re too funny! I love it!</p>
<p>But, on a serious note, I think this is disrespectful for people to call the immigrants (brown people) &#8216;illegal aliens.&#8217; Here&#8217;s the reason I say this, I&#8217;ve noticed when it comes to &#8216;European&#8217; immigrants, it is often said by these same people, &#8216;oh, he&#8217;s German&#8217;, or, &#8216;he&#8217;s a German citizen&#8217;, and sometimes &#8216;he&#8217;s a German national.&#8217; I guess more familiar would be Russians, you would normally hear they are Russians, immigrant/national/citizen is more than often left out.</p>
<p>But, thanks for the joke! I was rolling on the floor laughing with this one!</p>
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		<title>By: Carter</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2010/09/23/jdl-leaders-shooting-trial-resume-in-michigan/comment-page-1/#comment-198536</link>
		<dc:creator>Carter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Sep 2010 00:22:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What&#039;s the big deal about using the term &quot;illegal Alien&quot;? I&#039;ve heard dozens of times about small gray skinned people with big black eyes that don&#039;t have appropriate legal Visas. They simply fly around without observing any laws regarding air-space travel what so ever.
Beaming people into their mother-ships for anal probes IS going way too far however. It&#039;s a Fourth Amendment issue damn it!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s the big deal about using the term &#8220;illegal Alien&#8221;? I&#8217;ve heard dozens of times about small gray skinned people with big black eyes that don&#8217;t have appropriate legal Visas. They simply fly around without observing any laws regarding air-space travel what so ever.<br />
Beaming people into their mother-ships for anal probes IS going way too far however. It&#8217;s a Fourth Amendment issue damn it!</p>
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		<title>By: skinnyminny</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2010/09/23/jdl-leaders-shooting-trial-resume-in-michigan/comment-page-1/#comment-198507</link>
		<dc:creator>skinnyminny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Sep 2010 21:58:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lex, thanks for that information. I have been complaining about the John and Ken Show, talk radio hosts of KFI640 AM radio in Los Angeles. On Thursday, 9-23-2010, on their broadcast, they called Obama&#039;s aunt a &#039;B&#039; (they said the actual word). They went on to tell their listeners to vote for Van Tran instead of Loretta Sanchez, adding something to the effect of, &quot;all of you Vietnamese in Santa Ana better get out and vote for Tran. You know Loretta Sanchez doesn&#039;t like Vietnamese.&quot; I think they accused her of going on a Spanish radio/teevee station saying this.

This is all but race-baiting. These guys are known for calling immigrants &#039;illegal aliens, beaners...&#039; on the air. I think these guys are on the extreme right. So much so, the district attorneys in Orange County Calif tried to have a change of venue and cited this show as the reasons - the case was state of calif vs. Mike Carona - former Orange County Sheriff.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lex, thanks for that information. I have been complaining about the John and Ken Show, talk radio hosts of KFI640 AM radio in Los Angeles. On Thursday, 9-23-2010, on their broadcast, they called Obama&#8217;s aunt a &#8216;B&#8217; (they said the actual word). They went on to tell their listeners to vote for Van Tran instead of Loretta Sanchez, adding something to the effect of, &#8220;all of you Vietnamese in Santa Ana better get out and vote for Tran. You know Loretta Sanchez doesn&#8217;t like Vietnamese.&#8221; I think they accused her of going on a Spanish radio/teevee station saying this.</p>
<p>This is all but race-baiting. These guys are known for calling immigrants &#8216;illegal aliens, beaners&#8230;&#8217; on the air. I think these guys are on the extreme right. So much so, the district attorneys in Orange County Calif tried to have a change of venue and cited this show as the reasons &#8211; the case was state of calif vs. Mike Carona &#8211; former Orange County Sheriff.</p>
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		<title>By: Lex</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2010/09/23/jdl-leaders-shooting-trial-resume-in-michigan/comment-page-1/#comment-198457</link>
		<dc:creator>Lex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Sep 2010 18:10:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Jdl is a extremist group although they are not nearly as bad as the jewish task force(jtf dot org) , The leader of Jtf said it was obivous Obama parents were swinging in the trees and the site calls Obama a monkey on a regular basis, They have a whole section on the site praising Milosevic Jtf is the most extreme anti muslim and islamophobic website ive seen even more then gates of viena and thats saying alot]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Jdl is a extremist group although they are not nearly as bad as the jewish task force(jtf dot org) , The leader of Jtf said it was obivous Obama parents were swinging in the trees and the site calls Obama a monkey on a regular basis, They have a whole section on the site praising Milosevic Jtf is the most extreme anti muslim and islamophobic website ive seen even more then gates of viena and thats saying alot</p>
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		<title>By: Ruslan Amirkhanov</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2010/09/23/jdl-leaders-shooting-trial-resume-in-michigan/comment-page-1/#comment-197713</link>
		<dc:creator>Ruslan Amirkhanov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Sep 2010 18:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Even the Third Reich&#039;s criteria of who was &quot;Jewish&quot; was totally arbitrary.  Their own criteria was 1/4 officially, but they tried to claim Roosevelt and Churchill were Jews.  Meanwhile they ignored the half-Jewishness of their greatest field commander, Erich von Mannstein(Lewinski) who even admitted his Jewish ancestry.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even the Third Reich&#8217;s criteria of who was &#8220;Jewish&#8221; was totally arbitrary.  Their own criteria was 1/4 officially, but they tried to claim Roosevelt and Churchill were Jews.  Meanwhile they ignored the half-Jewishness of their greatest field commander, Erich von Mannstein(Lewinski) who even admitted his Jewish ancestry.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2010/09/23/jdl-leaders-shooting-trial-resume-in-michigan/comment-page-1/#comment-197679</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Sep 2010 17:03:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s a shame and a benefit to give these Israeli terrorists a trial in the first place. They don&#039;t give trials to their victims around the world, do they?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a shame and a benefit to give these Israeli terrorists a trial in the first place. They don&#8217;t give trials to their victims around the world, do they?</p>
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		<title>By: Carter</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2010/09/23/jdl-leaders-shooting-trial-resume-in-michigan/comment-page-1/#comment-197677</link>
		<dc:creator>Carter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Sep 2010 16:58:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I couldn&#039;t care if the guy was Jewish or Islamic or a tadpole: he is a major jackass. What do Islamic people look like? Do they have some special characteristic? What do Jewish people look like do they have some special defining physical characteristic. Both may wear clothing that is religious in nature but they are just folks....and some of them are real assh$les
The whole idea of &quot;road-rage&quot; makes me sick. Because you don&#039;t happen to like the way someone drives, you hurt him or her?
The idea of using a deadly weapon is also disgusting. Put the immature creep away for a good long time and take away his right to drive!
Yep...the firearms issue is moot....get that jerk off the road!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t care if the guy was Jewish or Islamic or a tadpole: he is a major jackass. What do Islamic people look like? Do they have some special characteristic? What do Jewish people look like do they have some special defining physical characteristic. Both may wear clothing that is religious in nature but they are just folks&#8230;.and some of them are real assh$les<br />
The whole idea of &#8220;road-rage&#8221; makes me sick. Because you don&#8217;t happen to like the way someone drives, you hurt him or her?<br />
The idea of using a deadly weapon is also disgusting. Put the immature creep away for a good long time and take away his right to drive!<br />
Yep&#8230;the firearms issue is moot&#8230;.get that jerk off the road!</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2010/09/23/jdl-leaders-shooting-trial-resume-in-michigan/comment-page-1/#comment-197666</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Sep 2010 16:04:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[On religion vs. ethnicity: There has been that debate for the entire time Judaism has existed, 5771 years, among Jews and non-Jews alike. Considering at least biblically, that Jews can be traced back to a specific grouping of individuals is indicative of ethnicity. Also if it weren&#039;t for the likes of Hitler who considered those with one great-grandparent as ethnically Jewish, the debate would potentially be less robust. To Jack&#039;s point: I am one of those who are Jewish by &quot;blood&quot; but not necessarily by religion. During WWII regardless of my belief system I would have been relegated to slaughter.

As far as the JDL goes, I despise their beliefs and methods, but as I understand black groups that seem to exist for the protection of those with the same color skin, so I also understand the formation of the JDL. It does show, however, how hate and fear can destroy the most thoughtful of people. Kahane&#039;s JDL started, however misguidedly, as an organization to protect Jews through the use of violence and had it&#039;s heyday during the Soviet Union&#039;s existence when they would disallow Jewish emigration as much as possible. With the dissolution of the Soviets the JDL has followed the same racist path as the KKK, Nazi&#039;s, Nation of Islam, etc. It should be disbanded forthwith.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On religion vs. ethnicity: There has been that debate for the entire time Judaism has existed, 5771 years, among Jews and non-Jews alike. Considering at least biblically, that Jews can be traced back to a specific grouping of individuals is indicative of ethnicity. Also if it weren&#8217;t for the likes of Hitler who considered those with one great-grandparent as ethnically Jewish, the debate would potentially be less robust. To Jack&#8217;s point: I am one of those who are Jewish by &#8220;blood&#8221; but not necessarily by religion. During WWII regardless of my belief system I would have been relegated to slaughter.</p>
<p>As far as the JDL goes, I despise their beliefs and methods, but as I understand black groups that seem to exist for the protection of those with the same color skin, so I also understand the formation of the JDL. It does show, however, how hate and fear can destroy the most thoughtful of people. Kahane&#8217;s JDL started, however misguidedly, as an organization to protect Jews through the use of violence and had it&#8217;s heyday during the Soviet Union&#8217;s existence when they would disallow Jewish emigration as much as possible. With the dissolution of the Soviets the JDL has followed the same racist path as the KKK, Nazi&#8217;s, Nation of Islam, etc. It should be disbanded forthwith.</p>
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		<title>By: Allen</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2010/09/23/jdl-leaders-shooting-trial-resume-in-michigan/comment-page-1/#comment-197565</link>
		<dc:creator>Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Sep 2010 09:22:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Snorlax, my thoughts exactly!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Snorlax, my thoughts exactly!</p>
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		<title>By: Ruslan Amirkhanov</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2010/09/23/jdl-leaders-shooting-trial-resume-in-michigan/comment-page-1/#comment-197495</link>
		<dc:creator>Ruslan Amirkhanov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Sep 2010 03:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;The greatest defense that Jewish Americans have had is their intelligence and their bent toward secularism primarily brought about by Freud and Psycho analysis. Being Jewish is an ethnic not a religion. &quot;

Judaism is a religion, sorry.  Freud lived in the late 19th century, Judaism and Jews have been around for a few thousand years.  Freud&#039;s theories have also largely been discredited.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The greatest defense that Jewish Americans have had is their intelligence and their bent toward secularism primarily brought about by Freud and Psycho analysis. Being Jewish is an ethnic not a religion. &#8221;</p>
<p>Judaism is a religion, sorry.  Freud lived in the late 19th century, Judaism and Jews have been around for a few thousand years.  Freud&#8217;s theories have also largely been discredited.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen D. Calhoun</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2010/09/23/jdl-leaders-shooting-trial-resume-in-michigan/comment-page-1/#comment-197462</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen D. Calhoun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Sep 2010 00:31:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My hope is that both sides &quot;stand down&quot; and allow the peace process to begin.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My hope is that both sides &#8220;stand down&#8221; and allow the peace process to begin.</p>
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		<title>By: Mason Green</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2010/09/23/jdl-leaders-shooting-trial-resume-in-michigan/comment-page-1/#comment-197440</link>
		<dc:creator>Mason Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Sep 2010 23:11:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The 2001 JDL plot to bomb Congressman Darrell Issa&#039;s office was apparently inspired by one of far-right blogger Debbie Schlussel&#039;s columns, in which she referred to Issa as &quot;Jihad Darrell&quot;. Issa is a Republican, too, which just shows how far to the right Schlussel and the JDL are.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The 2001 JDL plot to bomb Congressman Darrell Issa&#8217;s office was apparently inspired by one of far-right blogger Debbie Schlussel&#8217;s columns, in which she referred to Issa as &#8220;Jihad Darrell&#8221;. Issa is a Republican, too, which just shows how far to the right Schlussel and the JDL are.</p>
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		<title>By: Snorlax</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2010/09/23/jdl-leaders-shooting-trial-resume-in-michigan/comment-page-1/#comment-197398</link>
		<dc:creator>Snorlax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Sep 2010 20:48:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cases like this disprove the assertion from rightwingers in here that the SPLC selectively pursues only white supremacist terror groups.

The SPLC keeps a file on the Jewish Defense League along with white seperatist groups, black seperatist groups, anti-Latino groups, anti-gay groups and pretty much anybody who is causing trouble these days.

They&#039;re obviously not partisan and are not anti-white either.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cases like this disprove the assertion from rightwingers in here that the SPLC selectively pursues only white supremacist terror groups.</p>
<p>The SPLC keeps a file on the Jewish Defense League along with white seperatist groups, black seperatist groups, anti-Latino groups, anti-gay groups and pretty much anybody who is causing trouble these days.</p>
<p>They&#8217;re obviously not partisan and are not anti-white either.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2010/09/23/jdl-leaders-shooting-trial-resume-in-michigan/comment-page-1/#comment-197396</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Sep 2010 20:44:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To Charles Austin:

Well Charles it&#039;s sort of both, I have Jewish friends who are religious and Jewish friends who aren&#039;t, and while most American Jews aren&#039;t religious, I think it would be jumping the gun to say Judaism &quot;isn&#039;t a religion&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Charles Austin:</p>
<p>Well Charles it&#8217;s sort of both, I have Jewish friends who are religious and Jewish friends who aren&#8217;t, and while most American Jews aren&#8217;t religious, I think it would be jumping the gun to say Judaism &#8220;isn&#8217;t a religion&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Rich Albright</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2010/09/23/jdl-leaders-shooting-trial-resume-in-michigan/comment-page-1/#comment-197381</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich Albright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Sep 2010 19:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I hope they get this one right.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope they get this one right.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Austin</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2010/09/23/jdl-leaders-shooting-trial-resume-in-michigan/comment-page-1/#comment-197372</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles Austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Sep 2010 18:17:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The greatest defense that Jewish  Americans have had is their intelligence and their bent toward secularism primarily brought about by Freud and Psycho analysis.   Being Jewish is an ethnic not a religion. What a shameful and sad circumstance has been brought about through this act.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The greatest defense that Jewish  Americans have had is their intelligence and their bent toward secularism primarily brought about by Freud and Psycho analysis.   Being Jewish is an ethnic not a religion. What a shameful and sad circumstance has been brought about through this act.</p>
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		<title>By: ingeborg oppenheimer</title>
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		<dc:creator>ingeborg oppenheimer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Sep 2010 16:20:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[is it known that mintz knew at the time of the incident that the person who approached his car and yelled at him is a muslim?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>is it known that mintz knew at the time of the incident that the person who approached his car and yelled at him is a muslim?</p>
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