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Jack Kershaw, Stalwart of White Nationalism, Dies
Jack Kershaw, one of the most iconic American white segregationists of the 20th century and the lawyer who represented James Earl Ray following his conviction for the assassination of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., has died in Nashville at the age of 96.
He died on Sept. 7, but his death was not made public until Sept. 17, after funeral services were held.
Kershaw was a co-founder and board member of the League of the South (LOS), formed in 1994 by a group of 40 intellectuals. The LOS espoused intensely racist views, including support for a second Southern secession, defense of slavery and opposition to interracial marriage to preserve the “integrity” of black and white people. The Southern Poverty Law Center listed the League of the South as a hate group in 2000.
One of Kershaw’s most enduring quotes was uttered in 1998: “Somebody needs to say a good word for slavery,” he told a reporter. “Where in the world are the Negroes better off than today in America?”
Kershaw also was a sculptor, responsible for the 25-foot statute of Confederate Gen. Nathan Bedford Forrest, a founder of the Ku Klux Klan. It stands in a privately owned Confederate flag park along Interstate 65 just north of Brentwood, Tenn. The statue was unveiled in July 1998 when Kershaw was 84 years old. Kershaw also created a similarly massive statue of Joan of Arc.
On the advice of another attorney, James Earl Ray pleaded guilty to the fatal shooting of Dr. King on April 4, 1968. With the plea, Ray avoided the death penalty and was sentenced to 99 years in prison. But shortly thereafter, Ray recanted his confession and instead spun a conspiracy tale involving a man identified only as Raoul. Kershaw, one of several lawyers who represented Ray after the conviction, tried unsuccessfully to have CIA files on King’s death declassified, according to Gary Revel, an associate of Kershaw during his years working on Ray’s behalf. In 1977, represented by Kershaw, Ray told his story to the U.S. House of Representatives’ Select Committee on Assassinations. Ballistics tests on the rifle Ray allegedly used proved inconclusive.
In a video posted on YouTube, Kershaw, in response to an interviewer’s question, “Did [Ray] kill King?,” replies cryptically, “He’s been misjudged, and had a warped career in our trial courts.”
Kershaw continued to advance the conspiracy theory. But, according to the New York Times, he and Ray had a falling out after Kershaw persuaded Ray to do an interview with Playboy magazine. Ray agreed to a lie-detector test, which indicated he was lying when he said he was not King’s killer and that he was telling the truth when he denied he was part of a conspiracy.
Ray died in prison in 1998.
According to Tennessean.com, Kershaw had completed, but not published, a book on his involvement with James Earl Ray. “Because of the sensitive nature of its contents, the book is being kept at a secure location away from his home,” the newspaper website reported.
Kershaw was born in Missouri on Oct. 12, 1913. He later attended Vanderbilt University, majoring in geology, history and art. According to Tennessean.com, Kershaw became associated with a group of intellectuals called the Fugitive Poets of Vanderbilt, which included other writers who went on to chronicle a particularly sympathetic view of Southern history. In the late 1930s, he played quarterback with Nashville’s professional football team, which folded with the onset of World War II.
In addition to founding the League of the South (LOS) and remaining on its board as late as 2009, Kershaw also was a past chairman of the League of the South Cultural and Educational Foundation. He was once active in the Nashville chapter of the segregationist White Citizens Council, the forebear of the white nationalist Council of Conservative Citizens. Kershaw also was a member of the notoriously segregationist Tennessee Federation for Constitutional Government. Fellow LOS co-founder and vituperative, racist neo-Confederate Michael Hill serves on the board of the Mary Noel Kershaw Foundation, named after Kershaw’s late wife.
on September 24th, 2010 at 10:08 pm
“Where in the world are the Negroes better off than today in America?”
The UK, France, the Netherlands….
on September 26th, 2010 at 9:15 am
“Speak nothing but good of the dead.”
He’s dead. Good.
on September 27th, 2010 at 12:23 pm
Most any place they are called “Bill”, Sam”, “Mary”, Susan”, or Mr. or Ms / Sir or Madam. instead of “Negro”.
That COULD be the USA but not in areas where they are referred to by their race instead of their humanity.
on September 29th, 2010 at 11:55 pm
Jack Kershaw’s General Nathan Bedford Forrest Equestrian Statue at Nathan Bedford Forrest Memorial Park is juxtaposed to his Joan of Arc Statue but both were sculpted by Jack.
The statues, both over 20 feet tall represent two most certainly different and controversial ideologies but each stands on it’s own right to exist and make it’s individual statement on it’s historical significance. Some have said the the Forrest statue is a blemish on the State of Tennessee because it brings back to remembrance Tennessee’s participation in the Confederacy.
Jack didn’t have a mean bone in his body but to hear some tell it you’d think he was out to send us back to the slave-trading era.
The 25 foot tall General Forrest Statue which is one of the tallest equestrian statues if not the tallest in the world can be found between the Old Hickory Boulevard and Harding Place exits on I-65 outside of Nashville, Tennessee.
The Joan of Arc statue which is also about 25 foot tall is still in Jack’s studio where he is preparing her for her presentation to the world. Her place of rest has not been decided on yet but the French have their eyes on her; oh, come to think of it there is a lady statue here in this country that has some connection to France too. It is the Statue of Liberty which represents what this country is about, the liberty to sculpt and display statues; even controversial ones.
on September 30th, 2010 at 3:00 am
“The UK, France, the Netherlands….”
Blacks in those European countries don’t earn more per capita than in the United States. Nor do I imagine they would wish to see sub-Saharan Africa flooded by hundreds of millions of Chinese. Which will happen eventually, you know. The Chinese are already making inroads into Africa. Next they’ll be looking for some Lebensraum. And under what consistent rationale which does not merely seek to thwart White ethnocentrism could the Chinese be denied? That Africans had never given their majority and democratic consent to said? Nor have Europeans. The Chinese will simply buy off African elites and it will have been “agreed to by the African people” in the realm of propaganda. Much as has happened in Europe, though not, admittedly, involving the Chinese.
This thing does have a way of taking on a life of its own. When the other shoe drops, and it is on the other foot. it will not alone be “racist” pale-skins screaming of the injustice of it all. It is not, after all, the fault of humanity that ethnocentrism is a universal evolved trait. But were it not so, yet it is.
on September 30th, 2010 at 3:18 am
“That COULD be the USA but not in areas where they are referred to by their race instead of their humanity.”
If you take seriously the need for public funding of “ethnic studies” at university to give necessary balance as against White cultural dominance for the benefit of minority psyches then you have already conceded at least in part the importance of ethnic identity for minorities. And if said in not merely to be an exercise in morbidity – that is a defensive identity in opposition to the “oppressive” White identity – it can only then be an affirmation of minority ethnic identities. And, if minorities are entitled to a affirmative ethnic identity, why cannot also Whites have a self-affirming ethnic identity? Because a positive White identity is inherently oppressive and minority ethnic identities are not? Or, once Whites are no longer culturally dominant, will you deign to allow them a positive identity then without pathologizing it at every turn? Something tells me…probably not. I am, however, open to being proven wrong. Proven wrong in my suspicion that this is really not just all about anti-White racism.
on September 30th, 2010 at 11:02 am
There can’t be a positive “white” identity because this identity has always been an instrument of oppression and division. If you want something positive try Irish, Polish, English, etc. Notice that in America you can celebrate St. Patrick’s Day and basically run around acting like a plastic Paddy and nobody will call you a racist or hater.
“Blacks in those European countries don’t earn more per capita than in the United States.”
But UNLIKE black people in America they usually enjoy full health coverage, educational benefits, and decent labor laws.
” Nor do I imagine they would wish to see sub-Saharan Africa flooded by hundreds of millions of Chinese. Which will happen eventually, you know. The Chinese are already making inroads into Africa. Next they’ll be looking for some Lebensraum.”
Lebensraum- right. China has had connections in Africa for decades and it is due to their desire to be a superpower, obtain resources, and because China is actually a capitalist country- to find profitable investments.
” Nor have Europeans.”
Actually the Europeans have when they supported regimes that sabotaged and broke down the Eastern Bloc- which also led to a flood of immigrants which are hated by Western European bigots(yeah that’s right, in Europe nobody gives a damn that Polish people are “white”). So long as they support capitalism they support a system that will forever search for cheap, exploitable labor.
“It is not, after all, the fault of humanity that ethnocentrism is a universal evolved trait. But were it not so, yet it is.”
Except “white” is not an ethnicity. Neither is “African” for that matter.
on September 30th, 2010 at 11:59 am
“Kershaw was a co-founder and board member of the League of the South (LOS), formed in 1994 by a group of 40 intellectuals. ”
To refer to Kershaw and the rest of his racist co-horts as “intellectuals” is certainly to commit a literal oxymoron.
Racism has no basis in any logic whatsoever, requires convoluted thinking based on simplistic rationalizations for the support of oppression and hatred.
It has no foundation in reality and ignores the most fundamental historic facts in its construction. The comments of the racist “amalek” above demonstrate this quite clearly. (thank you sir for providing such a fine representation).
Their ‘intellectual’ cloak is spun of a mixture of a good command of the English language and apparently an ability to read, but to comprehend, not so much.
To be an intellectual, one must not only absorb information, but have the intelligence to sift through, critically analyze information and a burning desire to find the truth.
Kershaw, Amalek and the rest of these losers possess none of the above traits of “intellectual” and therefore, haven’t earned the title one wit.
Using esoteric terms and words that contain more than three syllables may impress the ignorant and thus gain their adoration, it does not elevate one to the status of “intellectual”.
Amalek, no one is impressed here, stupid is still stupid and any thinking person can see that right off.
on September 30th, 2010 at 12:59 pm
I found an error in your article.
“Kershaw was a co-founder and board member of the League of the South (LOS), formed in 1994 by a group of 40 intellectuals.”
They’re racists, which means they are incapable of being intellectuals. Racism and intellectualism are mutually exclusive.
on September 30th, 2010 at 1:01 pm
There’s a 20 foot statue of Klan founder Nathan B Forrest?
That can be fixed with a truck and a rope.
on September 30th, 2010 at 2:57 pm
And let’s not forget they are Christians too. Right
on September 30th, 2010 at 3:00 pm
Plus you get a great price for all the bronze!
on September 30th, 2010 at 5:41 pm
Kershaw probably had an FBI file. It may serve the ineterest of history if it can be obtained. Hopefully, the CIA will release the files about Ray.
on September 30th, 2010 at 7:09 pm
JosieJ said,
on September 26th, 2010 at 9:15 am
“Speak nothing but good of the dead.”
He’s dead. Good.
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LOLOL…I apologize, but that’s good!!! Thanks, JosieJ!!! I will remember this!
on October 2nd, 2010 at 7:44 am
Ruslan:
“There can’t be a positive “white” identity because this identity has always been an instrument of oppression and division.”
Who, precisely, do mean to refer to when you call people “white”? Does this act of labeling on your part have any objective content per your usage whatever? Is it not shorthand for “of European descent”? And if not, can I, as a person of European descent, in your opinion justly call myself “black” and reap whatever rewards, such as preferential admissions and hirings, which flow from that? Moreover, if a “white” identity is inherently odious, as you fall short of saying yet no doubt believe, is not to call a person “white” an act of dehumanisation on your part which itself has the potential to “oppress” and “divide” (it is inherently divisive as it distinguishes one set of humanity as against another)?
“If you want something positive try Irish, Polish, English, etc.”
To be consistent you must also consider these illegitimate. The “English” have historically oppressed the “Irish”.
“But UNLIKE black people in America they usually enjoy full health coverage, educational benefits, and decent labor laws.”
The financial solvency of Western economies is well on the may to full meltdown. These programs are not sustainable based on that fact alone and in fact contribute to said insolvency. Also, people are less willing to see their wealth redistributed when the beneficiaries are not co-ethnics. Ethnic/racial diversity is a detriment to public altruism and engenders atomization.
“China has had connections in Africa for decades and it is due to their desire to be a superpower, obtain resources, and because China is actually a capitalist country- to find profitable investments.”
And these were motives which were wholly estranged from European expansion in centuries past? Yuh sure.
“Actually the Europeans have when they supported regimes that sabotaged and broke down the Eastern Bloc”
Cockney Bob and Chav Charlie did this? The rank-and-file of “whites” are politically engaged and powerful indeed!
“So long as they support capitalism they support a system that will forever search for cheap, exploitable labor.”
Is this significantly the magnet which draws Hispanic migrants northward and without which they may well feel inclined to leave. You want them to stop coming and those here to leave?
“Except “white” is not an ethnicity. Neither is “African” for that matter.”
There is a concentricity of genetic similarity radiating from one’s own immediate family outward.
on October 2nd, 2010 at 12:13 pm
“Who, precisely, do mean to refer to when you call people “white”? Does this act of labeling on your part have any objective content per your usage whatever? Is it not shorthand for “of European descent”? ”
No, it is a made up term. When masses of Irish and Italians started to come to America in the mid-19th century, they didn’t immediately find themselves welcomed as “white”. They were looked upon as though they were a lower race. This has been the case with all European immigrant masses who came to America.
You may be of “European descent” but you are not in any practical or cultural sense “European”, assuming you are American, Canadian, or whatever. There is no magical bond between you and the population of Germany, Ireland, Belgium, or whatever. Yes, you share certain genes which cause you to have a certain appearance commonly associated with Europe(though it is common amongst non-Europeans as well)- but that’s about it.
“And if not, can I, as a person of European descent, in your opinion justly call myself “black” and reap whatever rewards, such as preferential admissions and hirings, which flow from that?”
Take a look at the infant mortality, the lifespan, and the net worth of African Americans and tell me about their “rewards.” If all this preferential treatment is being granted why is it study after study finds that employers are far more likely to call back white applicants(based on their name) despite equal or lesser qualifications?
” Moreover, if a “white” identity is inherently odious, as you fall short of saying yet no doubt believe, is not to call a person “white” an act of dehumanisation on your part which itself has the potential to “oppress” and “divide” (it is inherently divisive as it distinguishes one set of humanity as against another)?”
As I said, “White” is not an actual ethnic group. There is no “Whitania”. Europeans tend to have an appearance that is called “white”, but then again you will find plenty of Turks and Arabs who have such an appearance. Irish were “white” by your modern standards, at least they are undoubtedly “European Descended”, and were they welcomed with open arms in America? Hell no.
“To be consistent you must also consider these illegitimate. The “English” have historically oppressed the “Irish”.”
But the English are an actual group of people- they have a historically shared territory, language, economy, traditions, etc. Plus, this identity of English doesn’t stem from the world of slavery. That is to say, the English may have done their share of harm to various peoples in history but that’s not all they have done.
There is no “White” people.
“The financial solvency of Western economies is well on the may to full meltdown. These programs are not sustainable based on that fact alone and in fact contribute to said insolvency”
These programs are only sustainable when the means of production in a country are in the hands of the producers, and the economy is run on the basis of human need. This has nothing to do with race.
” Also, people are less willing to see their wealth redistributed when the beneficiaries are not co-ethnics. Ethnic/racial diversity is a detriment to public altruism and engenders atomization.”
But you LOVE ethnic diversity, as long as the ethnicities fit into your idea of “white”. What are you complaining about?
“And these were motives which were wholly estranged from European expansion in centuries past? Yuh sure.”
European expansion was not about Lebensraum- notice that in most European colonies Europeans did not settle in large numbers. The main factor was new markets and sources of raw materials- later, investment opportunities and labor.
“Cockney Bob and Chav Charlie did this? The rank-and-file of “whites” are politically engaged and powerful indeed!”
But Bob and Charlie aren’t “white”. They are most likely English.
“Is this significantly the magnet which draws Hispanic migrants northward and without which they may well feel inclined to leave. You want them to stop coming and those here to leave?”
I want America’s means of productions in the hands of the workers, and only the workers, and the economy geared toward needs, not profit. I could care less about the workers’ “race”, “ethnicity”, gender, religion, or sexual orientation.
“There is a concentricity of genetic similarity radiating from one’s own immediate family outward.”
Which all leads back to Africa. Besides, we all know that there is more genetic differentiation within so called “races”, and besides that, as I previously alluded- the genetic factors which make people “white” exist in populations you would probably never consider to be so. Who do you consider your brother between a dark-skinned Italian and a blonde-haired, blue-eyed Tatar?
on October 2nd, 2010 at 12:16 pm
“Kershaw probably had an FBI file.”
Sir Ian Kershaw? Oh, wait, no, the other guy. Anyway, the White Nationalist, er, “supremacist” movement is largely these days confined to Internet geekery as opposed to the dentally challenged hick variety. They too lament the exploitative thrust of elite global capitalism. And I’m sure some of them find classic socialist criticisms of said more interesting than cod-social constructionism which has long since exceeded the bounds of its bailiwick.
on October 2nd, 2010 at 3:23 pm
WNs from time to time complain about capitalism but they, like most people, do not understand what capitalism is. Their views are populist, and they tend to blame the problems with capitalism on “the Jooz”, rather than understanding that capitalism’s problems are within the system itself.
on October 2nd, 2010 at 6:45 pm
“The UK, France, the Netherlands….”
Thanks for listing a group of White countries which you claim treat Africans better than they are treated in the USA. This just proves my point: White people have forever and will always treat Africans better than other Africans did. When Europeans purchased African slaves, they treated them better than Arab slaveholders and better than other African slaveholders. So even to be “oppressed” by White people as slaves centuries ago, Africans were treated better than they would have been had no White people been around.
on October 3rd, 2010 at 1:13 am
Ruslan,
European-Americans are genetically distinguishable from other peoples per modern genetic testing. It is scientifically valid in that the methodology which yields said results can be reproduced with the same results. This is what we should well expect with the Mediterranean sea acting significantly as a barrier against gene flow. That various ethnicities are themselves distinguishable within the larger European group, that there is a discernible north-south, and east-west gradient, is really not to say much as all. Moreover, to say that peoples have no intrinsic life interest in propagating what is their very being through time is to affirm by extension that life as such has no value in its propagation. It is nihilism, it is anti-human. A person is rightly first concerned with the well-being of their own children and grandchildren, and so on, extending outward. This is not to say that other peoples merit no concern. Far from it. It is only to say that one’s love has limits the stretching of which may tax to the breaking point the objects of our affection closest to us. The moral high-ground in willing the genetic eclipse of, broadly speaking, your own people, either by intent or in effect, cannot rest with you. I dare say, given full disclosure of the existential issue, free of cheap pathologization and sophistry, no decent man could deny the right of our people to continue to exist at all. Verily, present trends persisting, they shall not. And it is nothing less than a hideous crime.
on October 3rd, 2010 at 1:32 am
Lee, obviously the English language is too advanced for you. The question is where are black people better off than the USA. I mentioned these European countries because in general, Europe has higher standards of living than the US. Were it not for Russia, the US would probably have the lowest standards of living in the industrialized world. That’s what happens when trillions are thrown to the military rather than useful spending projects.
Also, whatever Arab or African slave traders did is irrelevant to the wrongness of slavery. Saying “they did something bad too” when involved in the same enterprise does not make all one’s sins go away. What happened in Africa does not absolve America.
on October 3rd, 2010 at 8:46 am
“White people have forever and will always treat Africans better than other Africans did. When Europeans purchased African slaves, they treated them better than Arab slaveholders and better than other African slaveholders.”
Here we have a post that is wrong on a whole number of levels, so I’ll just focus on a two of them.
First, Lee would have us believe that because the countries that Ruslan listed are “white” countries, this means that “white” rule is obviously good for “blacks”, while “blacks” are incapable of ruling themselves. Nothing is a better display of ignorance than ignoring hundreds of years of African colonialism, including racism, slavery, genocide and the exploitation of resources which enriched European powers while impoverishing Africa and then turning around and saying. “Look, now Africa is poor, clearly they’re incapable of governing themselves!”
Blaming the victim is always easier than taking responsibility, but in this case, I think most people can make the connection to what you don’t acknowledge.
Second and more important, Lee makes the ignorant assumption that Africa at the time of the Atlantic slave trade can be considered to be a single group of people; and thus what one African nation did to another can be considered evidence that “blacks” are incapable of decent behaviour without the benefits of “white” civilization. Imagine if the same standard was held to “white” nations, even looking only at the past 100 years.
The idea that “Africans” form a single ethnic or cultural group has never been true within Africa, and certainly wasn’t the case in the time. Not all African societies before colonialism had a history of slave ownership, and those which did have slavery did not all treat their slaves in the same fashion. In some cases, treatment was comparably harsh to treatment under European chattal slavery, while in other cases slaves were given substantial freedom to earn and possess wealth, to marry, and to rise to prominence or freedom within the communities.
The societies that traded captured slaves to the European powers were reviled within Africa for a reason; specifically because being free in Africa was vastly superior to being a slave in the Americas, especially given that a good 1 in 3 slaves sold to Europeans would die on the way across the ocean thanks to treatment Lee would argue beneficial.
on October 3rd, 2010 at 2:27 pm
“European-Americans are genetically distinguishable from other peoples per modern genetic testing.”
Yes, with genetic testing. Moreover this is as stupid as saying “YOU HAVE RED HAIR!! WE ARE BROTHERS!!”
Humans have never organized themselves along the lines of invisible genes, which were only discovered relatively recently.
” That various ethnicities are themselves distinguishable within the larger European group, that there is a discernible north-south, and east-west gradient, is really not to say much as all.”
What says a lot is that populations with very little genetic differentiation who lived right next to each other did not view each other as one “race”- for example English and Irish.
” Moreover, to say that peoples have no intrinsic life interest in propagating what is their very being through time is to affirm by extension that life as such has no value in its propagation. It is nihilism, it is anti-human.”
I’m sorry to break your heart but humans have never organized themselves based on “race”. Humans have endeavored most of all to survive and prosper, and to that end they have often intermixed with, and assimilated other ethnicities. Off the top of my head just look at the history of the Asiatic steppe, where tribes would band together despite not only ethnic difference but also despite a language barrier, such as Mongolic and Turkic peoples.
“A person is rightly first concerned with the well-being of their own children and grandchildren, and so on, extending outward. This is not to say that other peoples merit no concern. Far from it. It is only to say that one’s love has limits the stretching of which may tax to the breaking point the objects of our affection closest to us. The moral high-ground in willing the genetic eclipse of, broadly speaking, your own people, either by intent or in effect, cannot rest with you. I dare say, given full disclosure of the existential issue, free of cheap pathologization and sophistry, no decent man could deny the right of our people to continue to exist at all. Verily, present trends persisting, they shall not. And it is nothing less than a hideous crime.”
This forced pseudo-intellectual tripe is all very entertaining but there is no magical bond between you and Europe just because you share a collection of genes which cause you to appear as what we generally consider European. Go back far enough and your genes were shared by millions of Africans. Also as I said before, the genes which make people appear “white” exist amongst Arabs, Turks, Tatars, and other people you would probably not see as your “extended family.”
Oh but we can do a DNA test!!! Wonderful- and what would that prove? Absolutely nothing. It’s laughably absurd. Please, go to Europe some day and explain to the people there that they are your family because you are white. After you are laughed at enough, maybe you will learn.
Or you will just blame the Jooz.
on October 3rd, 2010 at 3:12 pm
Lee,
Your true colors are showing! How can you say that ‘whites’ are the best thing that ever happened to ‘Africans?’ The point is, ‘whites’ always claim to have been the best thing for Native Americans (original inhabitants), Asians, Latinos. How can you say that, when it is obvious, ‘whites’ tend to go into the countries/territories to take the natural resources of their lands, take their lands, and the indigenous peoples never profit, or benefit from this? IMHO, the only the ‘whites’ do is show these people what money can buy. Peoples of other countries know how to live off the lands of the country, and have been doing this long before the ‘whites’ came into the picture.
on October 4th, 2010 at 2:55 pm
the fires of hell burn a bit hotter. If you believe in that sorta thing.
on October 4th, 2010 at 7:54 pm
Slavery… Mans quest to find something to free himself from the drudgery of having to perform physical labor personally… a Horse, a Mule, another Human Being… it didn’t make no difference…
Then came… the Currency System.
Ever since it’s inception… the entire population of the planet has gone Bizerk.
Schemes, plots, plans, bribes, deception, lying, greed, cover-ups, meltdowns… it will never end.
Yes, my friends… I will even sell my soul, just to posses even an ounce of that newfangled stuff they call… Gold Dust… (this new Gold Dust would even replaced the need to have to have thousands of slaves you’d have to feed).
And all you had to do now… was figure out a way to get it.
One man (Jack Kershaw) went all the way to the grave concealing and upholding his end of a cover-up, and smoke screen deal that left him living comfortable for the rest of his life… all 96 years of it… his lips where even sealed as he lay still “in the casket” (pardon my own wicked since of humor).
The point is… it’s Funny how far some men will go… to keep from having to WORK.
Now bare witness to the TRUTH… http://jessejacksonmlk.blogspot.com/
on October 4th, 2010 at 7:57 pm
Why did King have to die… because he was too close to Kennedy… and Kenny was fixing to bring down the MOB.
on October 4th, 2010 at 10:50 pm
Ruslan Amirkhanov said,
“The UK, France, the Netherlands….”
Aww shucks, that’s very misleading of you. Why not list countries where the blacks ended up as a result of slavery, and not due to the local populace’s gullible stupidity and suicidal self-hatred? You know, think more along the lines of Brazil, Haiti, Guyana, Yemen and Jamaica. Then make comparisons to U.S.
on October 4th, 2010 at 11:54 pm
“Yes, with genetic testing. Moreover this is as stupid as saying “YOU HAVE RED HAIR!! WE ARE BROTHERS!!””
In point of fact, I do have red hair. And so does my brother. It is one instance of a phenotypic cue people are hard-wired to be drawn to, to identify with and feel comfortable around those like them – indicative of recent (relatively speaking) common ancestral origin. Ethnocentrism, one instance of which is, again, the reflexive identification of and attraction to a suite of traits, evolved as it facilitated group amity and cohesion in competition with other groups for finite resources.
“Humans have never organized themselves along the lines of invisible genes, which were only discovered relatively recently.”
See above.
“What says a lot is that populations with very little genetic differentiation who lived right next to each other did not view each other as one “race”- for example English and Irish.”
When the broader vista of the wider world became apparent to them they began to so identity, though not to the exclusion of their more particular ethnic identities.
“I’m sorry to break your heart but humans have never organized themselves based on “race”.”
For most of human history people have been a part of small, endogamous groups and competed with other groups which were racially very similar to themselves.
“Humans have endeavored most of all to survive and prosper, and to that end they have often intermixed with, and assimilated other ethnicities.”
But not those that were considerably genetically distant from themselves, in most instances. For the most part, the outgroup members they came in contact with were of near, common geographic origin. Why else is there such difference in appearance peoples of different continental origin, and correspondingly, similarity in appearance of peoples of common continental origin? If panmixia were the state of ancient affairs, as you seem to imply, this would not be the case.
“pseudo-intellectual tripe”
Does it offend you so greatly? You did use the word “tripe”.
“no magical bond between you and Europe just because you share a collection of genes which cause you to appear as what we generally consider European.”
There is an evolved affinity tied to recognition of phenotype, i.e., ethnocentrism. Hardly “magical”.
“Go back far enough and your genes were shared by millions of Africans.”
Go back far enough and your genes were shared with yeast.
“Also as I said before, the genes which make people appear “white” exist amongst Arabs, Turks, Tatars, and other people you would probably not see as your “extended family.””
No person I know, non-whites included, considers these peoples white.
“Oh but we can do a DNA test!!! Wonderful- and what would that prove?”
Self-identified race corresponds with DNA test results at upward of 98% percent. That is sound proof that what people believe themselves to be is accurate.
“Please, go to Europe some day and explain to the people there that they are your family because you are white.”
I have never met a single, normal white person (that is working-class white people not marinated in Pavlovian conditioning) that when asked whether or not they care if their race survives, they say they do not care. They do care. Just my experience, though.
“Or you will just blame the Jooz.”
You are aware that Jews are the most successful, by practically whatever metric one would care to apply, ethnic group in America – and it is not even close? Jews undergrad at Harvard will typically make up 25-30% of the student body whilst constituting 2-3% of the American population. How this, they merely work THAT much harder? Get real. It is clearly the product of ethnic nepotism. Jewish ethnocentrism, for good or ill, is simply unarguably a force in the world. Ask the Palestinians what they think of it.
on October 5th, 2010 at 12:51 am
“WNs from time to time complain about capitalism but they, like most people, do not understand what capitalism is.”
What is “capitalism” but the profit motive taken to rapacious extremes at the expense, and to the exploitation, of the many by the few to the detriment of all other values?
“Their views are populist,”
Yes. I am moved to compassion for those I encounter daily. I tend to accept people as they ARE, and not as they “should” be when filtered through an ideological construct. I would place my actual proletariat bone fides against yours any time. I’ve worked 12 hours straight, day in, day out, on sweltering factory floors with workforces upwards of 80% black. Not as “Boss”, indeed just one of the guys. They too are populists, even if not by self-description The level of candor, the language used, the frequent and unselfconscious banter on racial subject matter. This included some “black power” types, although most thought they were kooks. I’m sure would make any ideological liberal cringe. But that’s real life – or “socialist realism” if you like.
“and they tend to blame the problems with capitalism on “the Jooz”, rather than understanding that capitalism’s problems are within the system itself.”
At one point Jews were amongst the socialist vanguard, now they are amongst the fat cat vanguard.
on October 5th, 2010 at 2:09 am
I’ve known a few Jews too. Mostly older gentlemen in an academic setting (I’ve been around the block once or twice, as it were). But a few my own age. In my experience they had personalities and mental traits similar to my own. Verbally and mentally agile; intellectually assertive. Good talk-mates interested in the ‘big questions’. They were mostly uncomfortable discussing their Jewishness, however. Too bad. At least for myself, there is no truth I fear which I cannot face without losing my humanity. That is the path probity and courage binds us to yet eschews misanthropy.
on October 5th, 2010 at 9:09 am
Ok I don’t know where Barbary Falcon got the idea that Belgians and French people hate themselves…so I’ll restrict my response to Amalek.
“In point of fact, I do have red hair. And so does my brother. It is one instance of a phenotypic cue people are hard-wired to be drawn to, to identify with and feel comfortable around those like them – indicative of recent (relatively speaking) common ancestral origin. ”
Except people aren’t “hard-wired” to be drawn to these traits. If that were the case, European history wouldn’t be full of bloody wars and conflict between people who are remarkably similar in other respects. And as I said, you can find people possessing such traits among non-European peoples.
“Ethnocentrism, one instance of which is, again, the reflexive identification of and attraction to a suite of traits, evolved as it facilitated group amity and cohesion in competition with other groups for finite resources.”
Incorrect, because people very greatly in appearance within ethnicities.
“When the broader vista of the wider world became apparent to them they began to so identity, though not to the exclusion of their more particular ethnic identities.”
No they didn’t. Only with extreme ignorance of Irish/English history could you say such a thing.
“For most of human history people have been a part of small, endogamous groups and competed with other groups which were racially very similar to themselves.”
For one thing, the fact that they may have been racially similar in some places has more to do with the fact that travel and mass migration was usually restricted. Chinese didn’t mix with Arabs or Africans because there was no way for them to come into contact on a large, meaningful scale.
There is no evidence that humans have historically organized themselves based on phenotype or “race.” In fact the very meaning of “race” has changed radically over time.
“But not those that were considerably genetically distant from themselves, in most instances.”
How could they know who was genetically distant from them?
“Does it offend you so greatly? You did use the word “tripe”.”
Your theories are not offensive, just wrong and historically inaccurate.
“There is an evolved affinity tied to recognition of phenotype, i.e., ethnocentrism. Hardly “magical”.”
No, there is not any kind of bond. If you go to Europe you will learn the hard way.
“Go back far enough and your genes were shared with yeast.”
Perhaps- so why draw the line at a certain area?
“No person I know, non-whites included, considers these peoples white.”
And yet all those people I mentioned may have the genetic factors which make them appear European. One can regularly meet Tatars with blonde hair and blue eyes, as European looking than the average Russian or Belarussian, if not moreso.
“Self-identified race corresponds with DNA test results at upward of 98% percent. That is sound proof that what people believe themselves to be is accurate.”
And this would prove?? How could mankind have organized itself around information it didn’t even know about until relatively recently?
“I have never met a single, normal white person (that is working-class white people not marinated in Pavlovian conditioning) that when asked whether or not they care if their race survives, they say they do not care. They do care. Just my experience, though.”
That wasn’t what I talked about. I told you to go to Europe and proclaim your brotherhood based on whiteness. Find out what happens. Also the idea that the “white race” will die out is ridiculous. The genes which make people “white” evolved out of a human population that was non-white. People fitting the description of white, indeed with Indo-European roots as well, can be found nearly everywhere in the world today.
“You are aware that Jews are the most successful, by practically whatever metric one would care to apply, ethnic group in America – and it is not even close? Jews undergrad at Harvard will typically make up 25-30% of the student body whilst constituting 2-3% of the American population.”
Yet most of the wealth in America is in the hands of white gentile CEOs, as is the political system.
” How this, they merely work THAT much harder? Get real. It is clearly the product of ethnic nepotism. ”
Oh you are alleging a conspiracy? Great- present evidence.
“What is “capitalism” but the profit motive taken to rapacious extremes at the expense, and to the exploitation, of the many by the few to the detriment of all other values?”
No, capitalism is a mode of production in which money, private property, and the profit motive play a center role.
“Yes. I am moved to compassion for those I encounter daily. I tend to accept people as they ARE, and not as they “should” be when filtered through an ideological construct.”
And if they aren’t “white”, according to your own definition?
“At one point Jews were amongst the socialist vanguard, now they are amongst the fat cat vanguard.”
‘Jews’ are not anything. We are speaking about a group of millions of individuals.
on October 5th, 2010 at 12:30 pm
I think your basic problem is believing that there is some kind of “hard-wiring” based on phenotype that makes people have an affinity for grouping together. Given the violent struggles all over the world throughout human history, this theory is simply laughable. Sure, people tended to cluster together amongst people who happened to have similar phenotypes, but this did not stop them from allying with others against enemies within say, Europe. Moreover, wherever there was a frontier between two peoples, there was mixing regardless of physical appearance.
Moreover, various nations often invited wholly foreign nations to live amongst them. To name a few, their were the Western Kypchaks who were invited into Hungary, the Muslim Tatars who were invited into the Polish-Lithuanian Kingdom, and the various Turks and other Steppe peoples who were invited to settle in China’s borderlands.
on October 5th, 2010 at 6:26 pm
the League of the South (LOS), formed in 1994 by a group of 40 intellectuals.
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Excuse me, but I find the term “intellectuals” in this context extremely misleading.
I can think of some other terms, but I’m sure other readers have their own terms for these ignorant racists.
Racism is learned. Prejudice is learned, and any one can be prejudiced regardless of skin color, religion or lack of, sexual orientation. Unfortunately it’s much more difficult for someone to give up their prejudice then it is for someone to become prejudiced.
Society needs to learn that humanity will only grow when we learn to look at what we have in common as human beings rather then our differences and this starts with our children, teaching them to respect others and not be afraid to stand up for what they believe in rather then go along with the crowd.
on October 7th, 2010 at 11:56 am
The “League of the South” was formed by 40 “intellectuals?” I am laughing my ass off – there are NO intellectuals in the South who still believe in segregation – those who do are simply the scum of the earth. In Kershaw’s case, DEAD equals WONDERFUL. His remains can rot forever wherever they’re put. Now, we just need to forget about him so he simply disappears and REALLY becomes the “nothing” he has always been.
on October 7th, 2010 at 5:58 pm
Uhhhh… I hope yall don’t mind me saying, and I don’t mean to disrupt the conversation that most of you seem to really be enjoying with one another… but… weren’t we supposed to be trying to figure out why people like “Jack Kershaw” (the feature of this article) think and respond in this environment the way that they do?
I assure you that it has nothing to do with “kinship”, genetic association, or rallying with like minds to preserve the majority… hell white folks kill each other quicker than they do me… and the same goes for black people, and Koreans, Chinese, Russians, Germans, Irish, Italians… look at Pakistan… do I actually have time to list them ALL… Ok!!! So, back to the point… the bottom line is… MONEY.
@ Amalek (and the rest of you)…
NO… I think black people understand clearly the system of Designed Obsolescence, and the true impact it has on peoples lives, down to it’s very essence. And, if I might add, maybe even better than most whites (of ALL nationalities). I.e. Whites seem to take for granted the repetitiveness of it all (not realizing “or caring” that this one single concept is causing them to spend over 50% of their time allotted here on this earth… doing nothing more than repeated work, and repeating that work “mainly” for the benefit of someone else (that someone else being… that 2% who reap 90% of the benefits). It’s like the controlling factor has gone ahead and made the decision that the rest of the population will not be content unless they can remain busy… talk about TRIPE!!! There’s a whole boat load of it for you. The real reason is to keep you preoccupied, and out of the way… while they have a ball… dreaming up, inventing, and doing… what ever there heart desires… what could we invent, if all 5 billion of us where free to do that… 24/7.
The Jew is mentioned so fervently I think, because it is believed by most Blacks that Jews pray not to a God… but to Gold, and that Jews believe this Gold will be delivered unto them for their loyalty, and commitment to the Holly Word… whatever that’s suppose to mean.
And since they control 90% of it (in this country anyway)… I do understand why they chant. Hell, football players do it… and win consistently.
In short, we can argue until we’re all “blue” about man’s virtues, beliefs, origins, and chemical makeup… but still the bottom line is…
…until we stop playing the game based on how many nuts you can gather before snow falls… we as a people (the human race), will be no better…
…than the common Squirrel. And yes, some of them can fly too.
on October 8th, 2010 at 1:58 am
Middle class white liberals clearly don’t spend much time around large white hating ethnic minority groups, and if they have, they don’t tend to send their kids to school in say black dominated schools and they dont want their elderly parents and grandparents to have to live around them. Hypocrites! Middle class white liberals like to think of themselves as ‘kind’ people and they want to be seen by others as ‘kind’ people. They think that one of the best ways to do this is to show a lot of compassion for in particular blacks whom they regard a bit like children or pets, [as less able to look after and be responsible for themselves]. If they really cared so much for black people, why don’t liberals do something to stop violence towards black victims, which whether you are in the USA or the UK or France is mainly committed by other blacks. Liberals are the sort of pathetic scum, who like to give the impression that if their daughter was gang raped, they would like the perpetrators to be ‘rehabilitated’ rather than punished. If white middle class liberals really care such much about humanity, why don’t they spend more time campaigning for disabled people who are genuinely at a disadvantage in life through no fault of their own? The answers are the same……..middle class white liberals are self serving, hypocritical, self hating, masochistic traitors, who project their own racism, hatred and predjudices on to the white working class whom they regard as a politically incorrect embarassment.
on October 8th, 2010 at 8:42 am
Gee Matt, when you dry your tears you might take some time to consider that I am not a “middle class” liberal, and I grew up in a mostly minority school and neighborhood.
Also, when you calm down maybe you could provide some proof that minorities hate white people, since you made that claim.
on October 8th, 2010 at 4:06 pm
Matthew Wills,
Wow! I am so sure of the accusations you’re making! Sorry buddy, but I think you may be a little confused about ‘white’ liberals. I truly believe it is the ‘white’ conservatives that fit your description. For an example, I’ve read that gubernatorial candidate Whitman for California have refused to pay all the wages to not just the undocumented immigrant, but to a citizen. It is alleged by the site gawker.com that her sons have a problem with people of color as well as the not-so-fortunate. The site says one of her sons was charged with felony assault, bail of 25k for breaking the ankle of a Valerie Sanchez. One son allegedly called blacks a racial slur. Both sons allegedly kicked out of schools, and that one pointed to himself and said, “billionaire” after confronted by an authority figure for his bad behavior. Yet, again, these are the type of people that try to make people believe that they are more caring towards minorities. How can they, when obviously, they have a history of not paying full wages, and what appears to be hostilities towards people that they consider out of their league?
on October 8th, 2010 at 9:28 pm
Ruslan Amirkhanov said,
“When masses of Irish and Italians started to come to America in the mid-19th century, they didn’t immediately find themselves welcomed as “white”. They were looked upon as though they were a lower race.”
Don’t even compare what happened to the Irish with what’s going on today. Unlike the Irish Potato Famine, I don’t see half of Mexico’s population dying off from starvation. And unlike the poor Italian and Irish immigrants from over a hundred years ago, even the worst murderous criminal aliens from Mexico and Central America are treated humanely by being incarcerated in prisons where they get hot meals, libraries, gyms and medical care if they get sick or hurt. All of those things, with the bill footed by the American taxpayer of course, instead of being chucked into typhus and cholera-infested barns where they would either die of disease or hunger. And whatever animosity that existed towards Italians and Irish from the already established Anglo-Protestant Americans, it was mainly due to their Roman Catholicism than their appearance. In contrast, there’s no record of abuses towards Norwegian, Dutch and French Huguenot immigrants in America, because they were followers of Protestant church. But who knows, perhaps the animus towards Catholicism was justified, considering how today the Roman Catholic church has become a staunch defender of illegal aliens and blanket amnesty.
on October 9th, 2010 at 2:41 am
Evidence that ethnic minorities in Western countries hate whites. Ok here is some.
Take a look at the Department of Justice document on Criminal Victimization in the United States, 2005. (Go to the linked document, then under Victims and Offenders, download the pdf for 2005.)
The message on interracial white/black and black/white rape is clear:
In the United States in 2005, 37,460 white females were sexually assaulted or raped by a black man, while between zero and ten black women were sexually assaulted or raped by a white man.
What this means is that every day in the United States, over one hundred white women are raped or sexually assaulted by a black man.
Similarly do a google search for British Crime Survey white victims and have a look at the official government figures for racist attacks in Britain. Here I have cut and pasted an article from the BBC [liberal/ Marxist news channel] about that survey.
“Until the mid-nineties, the government’s British Crime Survey only asked ethnic minority groups whether they had been the victim of a crime which was racially motivated. Since then, all victims are asked and the picture has changed dramatically.
The most recent analysis shows that in 2004, 87,000 people from black or minority ethnic communities (BME) said they had been a victim of a racially motivated crime. In the same period, 92,000 white people said they had also fallen victim.
Focusing on violent racial attacks, 49,000 BME were victims. Among whites, the number was 77,000.
Of those that involved wounding 4,000 were BME. Among the white population it was 20,000.”
Those last figures are particularly amazing. In the most serious categories of racist assault the 13% of England’s population who are not white committ 80% of the most violent racist attacks in Britain……..Unbelievable…….better sweep this under the carpet quickly otherwise people might not think of blacks as innocent victims! Over to you
on October 9th, 2010 at 3:38 pm
OMG Matthew Wills & The BarbaryFalcon, thanks for being experts on blacks! You feel better now that you can pour your heart out, and say how you really feel?
on October 10th, 2010 at 2:13 am
Oh Barbie Falcon, is there nothing you CAN’T fail at?
“Don’t even compare what happened to the Irish with what’s going on today.”
Genius, you missed the whole point. The fact is that Irish immigrants were seen as a dirty foreign horde of questionable loyalty, not fellow “white people”.
” Unlike the Irish Potato Famine, I don’t see half of Mexico’s population dying off from starvation.”
Do you know why? Because they have been able to emigrate far more easily than Irish people could in the mid 19th century. Why don’t you look at the effects of NAFTA on peasants in Mexico and you will see why they are coming to the US.
” And unlike the poor Italian and Irish immigrants from over a hundred years ago, even the worst murderous criminal aliens from Mexico and Central America are treated humanely by being incarcerated in prisons where they get hot meals, libraries, gyms and medical care if they get sick or hurt.”
And the worst Mexican criminals who came over in the 19th century suffered the terrible conditions of 19th century prisons. What is your point?
” All of those things, with the bill footed by the American taxpayer of course, instead of being chucked into typhus and cholera-infested barns where they would either die of disease or hunger.”
I hate to inform you but most of these people are not criminals and most of your tax dollars are going to the Pentagon and Social Security. It has been shown again and again that immigrants put more into the economy than they take out. You can kick and scream all you want but that’s what objective reality is.
“And whatever animosity that existed towards Italians and Irish from the already established Anglo-Protestant Americans, it was mainly due to their Roman Catholicism than their appearance.”
What does it matter? There are English and Irish people today who still refer to each other as “separate races.” Nobody gives a damn that people from another nation look similar to them. Go take a trip to Zagreb some day and tell them Serbs are their brothers because they all look similar.
Oh, while we’re on the topic of immigrants, I thought you’d be happy to know that in Moscow these days, you will see African immigrants every day, but you will most likely never see skinheads. Have fun with that.
on October 10th, 2010 at 2:20 am
Matthew, when you cut and pasted your canned argument, did you ever consider that whites actually rape more women than blacks in the US? The fact that more white women will be raped by blacks than black women raped by whites does not change that fact. Whites are a majority by far compared to blacks. It is far more likely that a black offender would find a white victim than vice versa. Besides, people are often raped by someone they know.
More importantly, interracial crime is not the same as hate crimes.
Next, BBC is not a Marxist organization. Either you don’t read enough of what they publish, or you don’t know what Marxism is, or both. I’m going with ‘both’. The manner in which you present the statistics is highly suspect. Please provide the original source.
So far you have provided zero evidence that “minorities hate white people.”
on October 10th, 2010 at 3:59 am
Matthew Wills,
I had to do a double take on your research. 2005, wait, 2005! I knew this was outdated, not just for the dates indicated, but even by word of mouth. You see, I know people, and it is mentioned on teevee as well, Latinas are what is favored by almost ALL men. Really, they are the most sought after. I have to disagree with you and the researched info you’ve provided.
on October 10th, 2010 at 5:23 pm
Ruslan Amirkhanov said,
“most of these people are not criminals and most of your tax dollars are going to the Pentagon and Social Security.”
Right. Crossing the border and violating the American territorial integrity isn’t a crime. The Americans must actually wait till the illegals rape, maim or kill somebody before labeling them as “criminals.” And since the police in major American cities, especially the sanctuary cities like San Francisco and New York, do not even arrest illegal aliens until they actually commit a violent crime, that certainly makes a good majority of incarcerated aliens criminals in all sense of that word.
“Nobody gives a damn that people from another nation look similar to them. Go take a trip to Zagreb some day and tell them Serbs are their brothers because they all look similar.”
Sing your “no-such-thing-as-”Europeans” and “white people”" tune all you want. And yet, whatever animosity that may exist today among some European peoples, it is nothing compared to that towards non-whites. I can even use my own personal experiences on that. I stayed in Northern Ireland in last summer, where I had a chance to have a drink at a pub in Antrim with the local guys who were from staunchly loyalist Protestant families. During our conversation, where we talked about what’s going on in their country and around the world, one of them happened to mention his distaste towards Irish Catholics and complained about their growing numbers and influence in Northern Ireland. I asked the guy and his friends whether if they would actually want Ulster to be free of the Irish Catholics. With no hesitation he quickly said no, and stated that no matter what grievances that there are or at least have been between the Ulster Scotch Protestants and Irish Catholics, he would much rather live with the Irish Catholics than with the Pakistanis, Arabs or Afro-Carribeans and any other Third Worlders for that matter.
So please explain this Rus, o great expert on Europe. Why would a right winged Scots Protestant man, despite the historical bad blood that his people had with them, still be able to have affinity towards the Irish? Could it just be that he actually feels more in common with his fellow Europeans, and thus be more comfortable living next to them, than he ever would with the non-Europeans?
Or in another example, take a look at the opinion survey polls carried in some European nations, like this one in Malta.
http://www.eurotopics.net/en/a.....xenophobia
According to it, 95% of Maltese people got no problem having European neighbors. But 90% don’t want to live next to Arabs or Africans. Likewise, 80% of them admitted that they wouldn’t help an Arab or African under any circumstances. Several of Maltese fishermen interviewed have even openly admitted that whenever they see rafts or boats filled with Arabs/Africans stranded out in the Mediterranean sea, they hit their boats’ engines on full thrust, thus leaving the potential asylum seekers to capsize and die.
Similarly, another survey that was published few years back examined the attitudes of Hungarians towards foreigners. According to it, 29% of Hungarians did not want Slovaks and 35%, the Romanians living next to them. Quiet understandable, as both of those peoples’ countries have lopped off huge chunks of Hungarian territory after the first World War. But a whopping 92% of Hungarians opposed having gypsies as their neighbors and were against having any contact with them whatsoever.
And to shatter your illusions and delusions about the whole “white-on-white” hate that is allegedly going on in Europe, why don’t you take look at the human rights report video from Ukraine here;
http://www.rferl.org/video/11304.html
And explain to me again, why today in Ukraine, out of all ethnic minorities, the police singles out the gypsies for a particularly vicious brutality and racial harassment, and not the Polish, Rusyns or the Hungarians? Why are the Ukrainian schools putting the Gypsy kids in the classes for the mentally retarded, and not the Russian or Moldovan ones? After all, you would otherwise claim that Ukrainians quarrel with all those above mentioned neighboring Eastern European peoples and supposedly would have put their beef with them above their dislike towards the Gypsies. And do not even try that “in Europe, it’s all about culture and social class, they don’t give a damn about race” B.S. Or else, why is that Gypsy performer man featured near the end of the video, talks about how he’s subjected to widespread bigotry? Despite him having a Ukrainian name, a Ukrainian passport, and having become upwardly mobile due to his Gypsy folk dance/music group, the Ukrainians still treat “Ihor” with contempt and do not see him as one of them. Could it be the fact that gypsies are quite simply not Europeans, despite having lived in Europe for hundreds of years (albeit being unwelcome wherever they showed up), due to them being of the same stock as Punjabi and Kashmiri people of Pakistan and India?
“I thought you’d be happy to know that in Moscow these days, you will see African immigrants every day, but you will most likely never see skinheads. Have fun with that”
That is such a cheerful and upbeat attitude you got going there. Unfortunately, these 5 Tadjik migrant workers and their families cannot say the same thing;
http://centralasianewswire.com.....px?id=1746
on October 11th, 2010 at 8:25 am
“Right. Crossing the border and violating the American territorial integrity isn’t a crime.”
Way to duck the question. You were talking about how your tax dollars are spent- it’s a known fact that most tax dollars go to military spending and social security. Crossing the border illegally or overstaying your visa is a federal misdemeanor- look it up.
” The Americans must actually wait till the illegals rape, maim or kill somebody before labeling them as “criminals.”
Usually we don’t cast people who commit misdemeanors as “criminals”. Since most undocumented immigrants come to America to work as opposed to rape or kill, I don’t think we should be labeling them all criminals. Imagine if we labeled everyone who ever had any kind of say, DUI, a criminal.
“And since the police in major American cities, especially the sanctuary cities like San Francisco and New York, do not even arrest illegal aliens until they actually commit a violent crime, that certainly makes a good majority of incarcerated aliens criminals in all sense of that word. ”
No, it means they have committed at least one misdemeanor. When it comes to rape or murder, do you really care about the immigration status of the perpetrator, as though that makes a difference?
“Sing your “no-such-thing-as-”Europeans” and “white people”” tune all you want. And yet, whatever animosity that may exist today among some European peoples, it is nothing compared to that towards non-whites.”
Like I said, a trip to Zagreb will set you straight. Even when they don’t like “non-white” people, half the time they will insist that their historic rivals(Serbs, Croats, Russians, whatever) are “mixed” with outsiders.
” I can even use my own personal experiences on that. I stayed in Northern Ireland in last summer, where I had a chance to have a drink at a pub in Antrim with the local guys who were from staunchly loyalist Protestant families. ”
Well for one thing your personal experience is hardly representative, and another thing, the same attitude towards outsiders extends also to Poles, Balkan Slavs, and such.
“So please explain this Rus, o great expert on Europe. Why would a right winged Scots Protestant man, despite the historical bad blood that his people had with them, still be able to have affinity towards the Irish? Could it just be that he actually feels more in common with his fellow Europeans, and thus be more comfortable living next to them, than he ever would with the non-Europeans?”
Would he like to live in a neighborhood surrounded by Poles or Serbs? Did you ask that?
“According to it, 95% of Maltese people got no problem having European neighbors. But 90% don’t want to live next to Arabs or Africans. Likewise, 80% of them admitted that they wouldn’t help an Arab or African under any circumstances. Several of Maltese fishermen interviewed have even openly admitted that whenever they see rafts or boats filled with Arabs/Africans stranded out in the Mediterranean sea, they hit their boats’ engines on full thrust, thus leaving the potential asylum seekers to capsize and die. ”
Ah yes, Malta, the great representative of EUROPA!!!
“Similarly, another survey that was published few years back examined the attitudes of Hungarians towards foreigners.”
You know Hungarians aren’t European by origin right?
“According to it, 29% of Hungarians did not want Slovaks and 35%, the Romanians living next to them. Quiet understandable, as both of those peoples’ countries have lopped off huge chunks of Hungarian territory after the first World War. But a whopping 92% of Hungarians opposed having gypsies as their neighbors and were against having any contact with them whatsoever. ”
Virtually nobody in Eastern Europe likes gypsies. But you miss the entire point here. Their views about non-European peoples are just as stupid as their views towards Slovaks and other Europeans. Under the right conditions, people of very different cultures and national origins can work together in peace. Under capitalism, where workers are forced to compete almost literally to the death, it helps to divide workers by nationality.
Since you brought up Hungary, I suggest you look into their history, particularly the bit where they invited the Turkic Kypchaks to live in their kingdom.
“And explain to me again, why today in Ukraine, out of all ethnic minorities, the police singles out the gypsies for a particularly vicious brutality and racial harassment, and not the Polish, Rusyns or the Hungarians? Why are the Ukrainian schools putting the Gypsy kids in the classes for the mentally retarded, and not the Russian or Moldovan ones? After all, you would otherwise claim that Ukrainians quarrel with all those above mentioned neighboring Eastern European peoples and supposedly would have put their beef with them above their dislike towards the Gypsies. And do not even try that “in Europe…BLA BLA BLA”
What you fail to understand is that despite how they may treat one particular people, they will never as a people say “we are white” and identify automatically with everyone else who is “white”. People fitting the description of “white” are easily found throughout the Middle East and Central Asia. Even when someone hates a group like Gypsies, how do you think they would react, for example, if they encountered a particularly European looking gypsy with a Ukrainian name- not knowing the individual were a gypsy. If “race” is so well defined, so recognizable, you should easily be able to define it.
You have not been able to define your “white” race in the entire time we have corresponded. Your best answers are “X non-white extremist group says that white people are Y.” Why can you only define your precious race by the rantings of various identity-politics groups who nobody cares about?
“That is such a cheerful and upbeat attitude you got going there. Unfortunately, these 5 Tadjik migrant workers and their families cannot say the same thing;”
Sad and pathetic how you live vicariously through the exploits of cowardly skinheads. Recently a major mafia baron nick-named Dyed Hasan(Azerbaijanian) was shot in Moscow. Do you think any skinheads or nationalists had the balls to pull the trigger on someone who is REALLY helping to destroy Russian society? Of course not. They know that if they ever messed with any of these people they would disappear, along with their whole family. It reminds me of this graffiti I saw once that said “Chechen rats out of Russia”(idiotic because Russians fought and died to keep Chechens IN Russia). It was located in an alleyway where nobody, at least any Chechens, would see it.
on October 11th, 2010 at 10:20 am
Oh one more thing Barbie, care to answer this question?
Q. What has caused more harm to America in the past 10 years?
A. Economic crisis due to predatory lending and deregulation, coupled with imperialistic wars abroad.
B. Illegal immigrants.
on October 18th, 2010 at 1:33 am
“Crossing the border illegally or overstaying your visa is a federal misdemeanor”
And unfortunately, U.S is one of the few developed countries where it is so. On the other hand try sneaking into Mexico instead, and see what happens to you there.
http://www.sbsun.com/columnists/ci_3767570
http://www.washingtontimes.com.....-massacre/
Or how ’bout even accidentally STRAYING into Iranian territory, never mind even knowingly entering there in search of work and welfare benefits. As the pro illegal and leftist groups and individuals in America moaned and groaned about SB 1070, saying it’s a violation of the Mexican and Central American citizens’ “civil rights”, I never heard any of them speaking up for those three American hikers who are being held in a notorious prison in Tehran.
http://www.rferl.org/content/I.....15360.html
“Since most undocumented immigrants”
“Undocumented” as in just happened to forget their passports and visas at home, right? Or having no papers with them, due not wanting their criminal records from back in their own countries being exposed, in case they get busted?
“come to America to work as opposed to rape or kill, I don’t think we should be labeling them all criminals.”
Yet they commit both of those type of crimes and more, at disproportionately huge numbers.
“When it comes to rape or murder, do you really care about the immigration status of the perpetrator, as though that makes a difference?”
Yes, I do. Because whenever illegal aliens commit a heinous crime such as murder, rape and DUIs that result in fatalities, by that time, they usually already have criminal records for past offenses. And it DOES make a damn difference, because had that offender been kicked out of U.S beforehand, then that crime wouldn’t have happened in the first place. There are countless tragic examples of what happens to Americans when Third World illegals aren’t deported when first apprehended. Like Carlos Montano, an illegal alien from Bolivia who ran over and killed a nun, and who was never deported despite being arrested for DUI numerous times in the past. Or Jose Medellin, the gangbanger from Mexico, who lead and took part in a barbaric rape, torture and murder of two American girls, Jennifer Ertman and Elizabeth Peña in Texas. Again, he had a criminal record for misdemeanors before escalating to this. Thankfully, Texas still has the death penalty, and for his crime, Medellin was deported back to Mexico in a bodybag.
“Q. What has caused more harm to America in the past 10 years?
A. Economic crisis due to predatory lending and deregulation, coupled with imperialistic wars abroad.
B. Illegal immigrants.”
As a paleoconservative, I am against both illegal immigration and the unnecessary wars, because they both have cost America more than enough. As far as “imperialist wars” are concerned, it’s a damned if you do/damned you don’t situation. If U.S were to stay out of other countries’ business and pursue a strictly non-interventionist foreign policy, and concentrate on what goes on within its borders, then in the eyes of the rest of the world America is a nation of isolationist hicks. And when it doesn’t, then U.S is accused of being imperialistic.
And Ruslan, you don’t even live in America. I do. And whenever Pepe the Mexican illegal has alcohol poisoning due to binge drinking of tequila on Cinco de Mayo, it is MY tax money that pays for his kidney dialysis. Not yours. And the education and health care costs of the said Pepe’s eight or so children? Again, it comes out of my taxes, not yours. And take note, I’m not even talking about the impact that the VIOLENT illegal aliens have on the American taxpayer. You are just a tchurka from one of those dysfunctional former Soviet -stans of Central Asia, or a -djan (although there’s only one of those) who lives as a gastarbeiter in Russia. You are in no position to lecture me about illegal immigration to America.
on October 18th, 2010 at 2:45 pm
Actually genius, if you hadn’t figured out from my English, I am American. So far you haven’t provided any proof that undocumented immigrants commit a disproportionate amount of rapes or murders, so all your whiny ranting is useless.
Why? Because you provided yet another ignorant rant rather than an answer to my incredibly simple question. I could challenge a few more of your idiotic attempts at arguments, but why bother at this point.
Oh and what happens when you go to Mexico? You get a 90 day tourist visa, automatically, as US citizens get in numerous countries throughout the world. And thousands of American citizens work illegally in Mexico and other countries by doing “visa runs” every 90 days or so(leaving and coming back is legal, working on a tourist visa is not).
Oh more good news, Russia’s in the middle of a new census so soon you’ll be able to see the statistics on Caucasian and Turkish populations in Russia, along with the latest decrease in the ethnic Russian population. More Turks, fewer Russians- looks like the Golden Horde is going to reestablish itself peacefully!
Now go cry yourself to sleep.
on October 18th, 2010 at 2:59 pm
Oh, apart from the fact I find it interesting that you wish the US to be more like Iran with its border policy, I thought I should clear up any question as to my nationality, lest there be any more confusion. I am an American citizen, a long time veteran Shabbos Goy working in the International Zionist Conspiracy(IZC.org). I wanted to go out and see the world so I took a job offer to move to Russia and facilitate the replacement of ethnic Russians by Caucasians and Central Asians. So far it’s going pretty well.