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Founding Fathers on Facebook Hijacked by the Radical Right

By Robert Steinback on October 26, 2010 - 9:49 am, Posted in Academic Racism

The Founding Fathers as white racist poster boys?

Do a Facebook page search of the name Thomas Jefferson, and the very first listing that will appear is Thomas Jefferson – American. You can click to join 11,753 people who “like” the page.

Well, congratulations. You just signed onto fan pages sponsored by the racist National Policy Institute (NPI), a think tank dedicated to the preservation of America as a nation of, for and dominated by white people. NPI has been designated by the Southern Poverty Law Center as a hate group since publishing heir William H. Regnery founded it in 2005.

NPI has hijacked many of America’s Founding Fathers. 12,835 Facebook users “like” the group’s General George Washington page. Another 5,617 network users like the page for Benjamin Franklin – American, and 2,630 like James Monroe – American. While it is unclear how many of those who add their names to NPI’s Facebook pages are aware of NPI’s mission of preserving a culturally white America, without question, the Facebook fan pages are driving thousands of clicks worth of traffic to a racist hate group’s website.

After being contacted by Hatewatch, Facebook’s management has launched an investigation of NPI’s pages. As a largely self-regulated service, Facebook relies heavily on readers to report objectionable content. “Direct statements of hate against particular communities violate our Statement of Rights and Responsibilities and are removed when reported to us,” Simon Axten, Facebook’s manager of public policy, told Hatewatch by E-mail. “We also remove content that supports hateful or violent organizations.”

NPI proudly identifies all of its 42 sponsored Facebook pages that make up the “National Policy Institute Facebook Project,” but there is little evidence of NPI’s philosophies on the pages it devotes to iconic American historical figures. There are pages for Founding Fathers Washington, Franklin, Monroe, Madison, Jefferson, John Adams, John Quincy Adams, Alexander Hamilton, John Hancock and John Jay; patriots of the American Revolution Patrick Henry, Paul Revere, Samuel Adams and Nathan Hale, and presidents James Polk and Theodore Roosevelt. NPI also sponsors other noteworthy figures including Mark Twain, Daniel Boone, Davy Crockett, Jim Bowie, Kit Carson, Lewis and Clark, Thomas Edison, Norman Rockwell and Walt Disney.

But some of NPI’s other sponsored fan pages celebrate American figures of a more controversial nature – though presented only in fawningly positive terms – including industrialist Henry Ford and aviator Charles Lindbergh (both virulent anti-Semites), writer Jack London (whose works are popular in racist circles) and physician and lawyer William Walker, who in the mid-19th Century organized several private military expeditions into Mexico and Central America engaging in what was then known as “filibustering” – establishing English-speaking colonies under his personal control in the interest of fulfilling America’s “manifest destiny.” (Walker briefly served as president of the Republic of Nicaragua before being defeated by a coalition of Central American armies, and executed in Honduras in 1860). NPI describes Walker as an “idealist.”

NPI also sponsors fan pages for certain non-Americans such as Beethoven, Goethe, Charles Dickens and Rudyard Kipling. Entirely missing from NPI’s collection of sponsored Facebook pages: Any American or non-American of any race or culture other than white European, and women.

Not every “fan” of NPI’s Facebook pages is unaware of the organization’s orientation: One fan of NPI’s Jefferson site, for example, lists the racist League of the South and Ku Klux Klan co-founder Nathan Bedford Forrest among his “likes and interests.” Yet one wonders if another fan of the Jefferson page, who is in a Texas university’s Class of ’14, is aware of what NPI might say of her appreciation of musicians Earth, Wind and Fire and Selena – most definitely not white European artists.

Why has NPI chosen to host pages for these figures out of American history? “Our school children are special targets in a culture war – they are taught that their parents and ancestors have exploited and victimized the other peoples of the earth. Public institutions named for such Founding Fathers as George Washington and Thomas Jefferson are being renamed for radicals like Malcolm X and Cesar Chavez – even the holiday that honors America’s discoverer, Christopher Columbus, is now under attack. Young people are trained to be sensitive towards “oppressed minorities,” but are stripped of pride for what their own people have accomplished. This anti-white – anti-American – campaign of an intellectual elite is waged in the most vicious language and it assigns collective guilt to our kinship in a way that would be considered intolerable if directed at other groups.”

NPI’s chairman is Louis R. Andrews, an acolyte of founder Regnery (who once proposed an all-white dating service). Andrews also runs a website called “Stalking the Wild Taboo” intended for “sociopolitical thinkers unfettered by submission to the power of the pejorative,” by which Andrews means, for those unafraid of being called racist. Not insignificantly, Andrews, on his “Stalking” website, counsels that the best strategy for countering social taboos against assertions of racial differences and white superiority is stealth: “Stalking taboos requires ‘long periods of quietness, a low profile, protective coloration, and the diversion of the quarry’s attention to other matters until the propitious moment.’ … a taboo cannot be productively attacked until the time is ripe.”

Perhaps, an unobtrusive presence on Facebook is a part of that strategy.

Heidi Beirich contributed to this report.

  • Mitch Beales

    My guess is that plenty of folks would prefer Larry the Cable Guy as a neighbor to that non-citizen Muslim Obama. I’m sure all of those attacks have nothing to do with his race.

    Race and class can both be disadvantages. In the vast majority of cases non-whites (except perhaps Asians) get a double whammy of race and class. This is certainly not due to any innate inferiority but rather to the long history of discrimination against people of color. Recent Asian immigrants have sometimes escaped this trap due in part to the fact that they (or other members of their ethnic group) have arrived in this country already in possession of wealth or education. I believe it is disingenuous to suggest that socioeconomic class should be considered instead of race. Those who are discriminated against due to both race and socioeconomic class should get a double dose of affirmative action as they have gotten a double dose of discrimination.

  • http://jaymthegenius.blogspot.com/ Jay M

    It is unacceptable that a racist group has hijacked Jefferson’s Facebook page.

    I think that people overemphasize race while ignoring socioeconomic class. To emphasize my point I will ask the reader to ask themselves if they would prefer Obama over Larry the Cable Guy (google it) as a neighbor. Most people would choose the Upper-middle class African American who made Law Review at Harvard Law over the déclassé, uncouth comedian who has a puerile sense of humor.

    Race does play its part, but it is important not to mistake an instance of middle-class privilege for white privilege.

    “even the holiday that honors America’s discoverer, Christopher Columbus, is now under attack”

    Columbus wasn’t even the first white to discover America, and the Natives have been here millennia long before whites.

    “writer Jack London (whose works are popular in racist circles)”

    Is that true? I have always respected Jack London for his humble origins and teaching himself to read and write, and eventually becoming one of history’s best selling authors.

    “One fan of NPI’s Jefferson site, for example, lists the racist League of the South and Ku Klux Klan co-founder Nathan Bedford Forrest among his ‘likes and interests.’”

    He could be a troll, since a person has to “like” something to comment on the page. Unfortunately, this is probably not the case.

  • Ruslan Amirkhanov

    Yes yes Guardian, we all know how you pulled yourself up by your bootstraps and never accepted help with anything. And we also know that America was racist in the 1950s but then at some undetermined time in the 60s they fixed all that and then there was no more discrimination ever again.

    Except those hundreds of studies which find plenty of discrimination in regards to housing, lending, hiring, and college admissions.

  • Mitch Beales

    Guardian you don’t have to be born with a silver spoon in your mouth to have a better chance at being a winner than someone who’s mom was a junkie and who never knew their dad. You are a fool and a liar if you claim that who you are has nothing to do with where you come from. It’s funny how them that has want to take the credit but them that ain’t don’t want to take the blame. Just human nature I guess.

  • Guardian

    Wow Ruslan,
    Seems I struck a nerve. I guess it’s easier to blame your shortcomings on past hardships than to take responsibility for your present lives and your future.
    I wasn’t born with a silver (white) spoon in my mouth. I took charge of my life and one thing I learned along the way, that you haven’t is there are winners and there are losers, and both are color blind. I work side by side with great men and women who you would have me believe are incapable of excelling in their career because some preconceived idea of persecution based on their color. Well I’m sorry to say they’ve proven you wrong. These so called oppressed minorities have broken the 1950′s mold you would have them remain captive to and have excelled in their career commanding respect and dignity. Don’t tell me equal opportunity isn’t out there for the taking. Man up and stop blaming others!

  • skinnyminny

    Carter,
    ***first off, please don’t take this as me being sarcastic. Here I’m just expressing my views about Juan Williams.

    I understand there is differing opinions on whether this justified or not. I, on the other hand, is wondering why Juan Williams continue to talk about this as if he has an ax to grind. I’m also wondering why so many Americans are joining this bandwagon.

    Here’s what puzzles me, he (Juan) got another job that pays more-this was immediately. I know a lot of people who have lost their jobs, and they still don’t have a job, or the ones who got another job, the pay is not as good as the one they’ve lost. People in the media lose jobs all the time, whether it is ratings, or some other reason – just see some of the morning shows to see the musical chairs.

    My view on this, where was the public outrage when corps were shutting down plants, GM, caterpillar….then you have the folks at you know where – well their title just became more of an insight to me – the “and friends” part – it almost seems as though they are using their shows to target people they don’t like, to ridicule people they don’t like….

    So again, for me, I think it is ridiculus to continue this rant – really. Most people that are in a new relationship don’t like to keep hearing, ‘my ex did this,’ so why should this continue with J. Williams – I think it’s time for him to move on – he didn’t lose anything, well, maybe his pride was wounded, but that’s nothing compared to the people out of work.

  • Mitch Beales

    John perhaps you could cite an example of a poster who proposes eliminating free speech. It seems to be more a case of you not wanting SPLC to point out when speech is hateful.

  • Paen

    Guardian I am not judging because your white,I am judgung you because your an idiot who is trying to white wash bigotry.Furthermore as I have already staed I am a straight white man who does not want or need a bunch of
    backward yahoos to defend my rights.

  • Mitch Beales

    Rosalyn, my ancestors also include Quakers as well as Indian fighters, soldiers in Hitler’s army, and a Baptist minister who founded the first church for freemen in Ohio. I am proud of each of them for the many wonderful things they did. I am also well aware that they did many things that would be considered barbarous by modern folk. I think it’s important that we respect our forbears, including the “founding fathers,” for the contributions they have made to advance us beyond savagery. We must not fall into the trap of worshiping them and emulating even their bad behavior or using examples of their human failings to justify our own.

    The transcription of William Trent’s journal at http://www.hsp.org/files/pages.....ournal.pdf (page 11) certainly seems to suggest that his actions did indeed constitute an act of biological warfare. I presume the footnote there was inserted by the transcriber but if the footnote is Trent’s then his intentional use of biological warfare seems undeniable. Once again I urge others who post here to post links to information that they are citing whenever possible. It leads to a much more fruitful discussion than simply asking people to “look it up.”

    Frankly I hope that my descendants look back and say that Americans did terrible things in Iraq, Vietnam, Hiroshima, Dresden, and countless other locations. I hope they don’t blame all Americans although, in a sense, we all share the guilt as all Germans (not to mention all the other Jew-haters of Europe) shared the guilt of the Nazis, as all Catholics shared the guilt of the inquisition, and as all Puritans shared the guilt of Salem. Did these groups really do all they could do to prevent the atrocities that were committed by their societies?

    In my opinion Howard Zinn was a great man who brought a great deal of previously ignored historical data into public awareness. I certainly don’t think he had any intention or illusion of giving a “fair and balanced” account of history. I’m certain that he had no intention to create haters. The “facts” change dramatically with your perspective. The “Texas” where your ancestors worked hard in 1826 was part of Mexico. To a settler who worked the land Texas’ war for independence would certainly seem to be a war of liberation. The Mexican government would more likely view it as theft of prime real estate.

  • Ruslan Amirkhanov

    REALITY CHECK

    “Paen, you’re judging me because I’m white. You don’t know me, yet you’ve labeled me a white supremacist hate monger, you said I think I’m better than you and my parents were bigoted people who didn’t teach me right from wrong, and I have no respect for those different than me. ”

    You’re being labeled a racist because you are writing typical racist nonsense: “WHY COME BLACK PEOPLE CAN HAVE AN NAACP, BUT WHITE PEOPLE CAN’T HAVE ANY WHITE PRIDE ORGANIZATIONS???”

    “And Ruslan, when will black, latinos and other so called minority groups stop insulting themselves by insisting they need special treatment to be equal to anyone else? ”

    They don’t want special treatment, they want an end to discrimination. And plenty of sociological studies show they aren’t getting equal treatment. Sorry if the facts don’t fit what Rush Limbaugh or similar yahoos have been telling you for years.

  • jness

    Well, what a conversation.

    When I hear other white folks (like myself) get defensive over their heritage and “culture” it only reinforces the entitlement, denial and individualism that racism has ingrained into our beliefs and behavior.
    Now, let me explain.

    Firstly, our history says that our forefathers championed the rights of the individual and personal achievement. This ideal is imperative to the U.S. citizen’s understanding of them-self and the world around them. However, this understanding plays into the favor of the white, privileged person (I will explain privilege in a second). The fact is, our sense of individualism causes us to try to disassociate ourselves from our collective past as white people.

    Yes, it’s true that at one point Irish, Scottish, Polish, Italian and Slavic immigrants were persecuted and left out of the power dynamic of this nation. But when these ethnicities began organizing themselves to challenge the status quo, privileges were extended to them in order to absorb them into the “white” class, rather than becoming movements that could challenge the power structure. In order to gain access to these privileges, these European immigrants gave up their personal identities and cultural heritage to fit into the larger “American” picture. Blacks and Native Americans have never been offered privilege from the ruling elite. EVER. Everything that blacks and American Indians have accomplished has truly been by “pulling themselves up by the bootstraps.” Civic movements (like labor and women’s liberation) intentionally excluded these groups from their leadership and advocacy because they knew that including these groups would demean their message. It would provide an easy excuse for rulers to ignore their demands because racism was (and is) such a firm institution in all matters of government.

    Whites can point to whatever European heritage they have, but the fact is, very little of our personal practices today resemble those cultures. Our ancestors gave up those identities in favor of white privilege and access to resources.

    Rosalyn, do you go to Friends meetings? Do you advocate for radical politics like your Quaker ancestors? If not, then pointing to your heritage to excuse your privilege now is irrelevant. It’s like me saying because my grandmother was a baker, that I’m a good cook. While it might be plausible that is true, it is not just simple fact. I would be a good cook by first, growing up watching my mother cook like she did with hers- this is an inherited access to cooking skills that I could neither ask for nor deny. Secondly, because of my early childhood exposure to cooking, I gain an interest and confidence in the craft, which I use my learned knowledge to pursue as I grow older. White privilege works in a similar way.

    Whether you agree with me or not, we can all agree that history is written by the victor. What’s more, we NEED to agree that racism is not just something black and brown people have to deal with. It’s continuation robs white people of their very humanity.

  • Guardian

    Paen, you’re judging me because I’m white. You don’t know me, yet you’ve labeled me a white supremacist hate monger, you said I think I’m better than you and my parents were bigoted people who didn’t teach me right from wrong, and I have no respect for those different than me. All this because of your preconceived opinion of my characteristics based solely on the color of my skin. Look up the meaning of “Prejudice” and “Discriminate “in the dictionary and you’ll see you just defined both.

    And Ruslan, when will black, latinos and other so called minority groups stop insulting themselves by insisting they need special treatment to be equal to anyone else? Blacks, Latinos and other races have contributed to the greatness of this country as well as anyone else and have achieved the high stature of professors, judges, senators, scientists, and lest we forget, President. Those who claim these people need special help to achieve greatness just further the attitude of inferiority and undermine the efforts of their own people.

    By the way have you ever heard the phrase “A rose by any other name…..”? I think I will start calling myself an English-Indian American so I can be proud of my heritage without undue prejudice.

  • Ruslan Amirkhanov

    Yes Guardian, all the available sociological data shows that to this very day, blacks and Latinos, among others, still NEED special organizations for their advancement, thanks to discrimination coming mostly from white folks. That being said, take note that there are plenty of Irish, Slavic, German, Scandinavian, etc. clubs, festivals, and societies which are never called racist. Are we learning something here? “White” is a social construct meant to keep European descended people of working class allied to the ruling class. It has always been that way from the beginning.

  • Paen

    Blah blah another bigot parrots the party line that white supremist groups just want to advance the white race like the NAACP wants to help blacks.Furthermore it presumes to speak for the whole of our race like we were all as ignorant as he was.Does he think people he are so stupid to think that hate mongers are anything like the NAACP.
    I am proud of my heritage just like any human being has the right to be,but not because I think I.m better than a person of another race but because I come from good people who taught me among other things to respect people who were different from me.

  • Guardian

    100+ organizations dedicated to the advancement of the Black Man; over 50 Hispanic organizations; at least 90 Asian organizations; not to mention dozens of Islamic and Indian groups.
    Why should whites not be proud of their heritage and contributions to this country? I’m not a racist by any means. I think all race based organizations are obsolete, from the NPI to the NAACP. But if I, as a white man am proud of my heritage and support the accomplishments and efforts of my race, how is that different from other races supporting The Hispanic Chamber of Commerce; NAACP; United Negro College Fund; Black Congressional Caucus; Islamic Congressional Caucus; Black History month?
    Wow! I feel like a racist just saying that. What’s wrong here?

  • john

    Thank you Rosalyn
    No personal attacks, just some facts. Unusual for this blog. SPLC has thrown around the term “hate speech” long enough. Could SPLC, or any blogger please define the term “hate speech”? Apparently Face Book does not agree with your definition. It is an arbitrary term bantered around to control people, and take away their first amendment rights, period. It amazes me how many posters on this site would happily do away with “free speech”.

  • Jay Lylesburg

    Rosalyn,

    I’m responding to you by quoting your post in sections which are followed by my remarks:

    Rosalyn Dupre said,
    on October 29th, 2010 at 1:03 pm

    “To Jay Lylesburg, gee, your post is proof-positive of yet another young person who hears that ONE person did something, then generalizes to an ENTIRE population of persons.”

    Proof positive? Wrong. I am not a young person. Do you always assume that someone who disagrees with you is young or were you just generalizing this one time? I’ll admit I should have said “some white people” instead of just “white people”. However, Trent did not act alone as he had approval from the commander of Fort Pitt who was white. Maybe I should have said two white people? Anyway I was wrong for saying “white people” and I apologize for that.

    “Did you not read that my ancestors were QUAKERS?”

    Yes, I did. So what?

    “Apparently you didn’t read my post, except only what you wanted to read.”

    Wrong.I read your entire post. I only a addressed the part about the blankets because you said it never happened and that Howard Zinn lied about it. You were wrong.

    “And the man you claim did that, I’ve seen his journal, I’ve read it, and he didn’t do it on purpose. Besides, I’m not kin to him.”

    First you said it didn’t happen and it was a lie told by Howard Zinn and then you claim it was an accident. Which is it? You can’t have it both ways.
    The truth is, as noted in Trent’s journal, it did happen and it was not an accident. A quote from Trent’s journal: ‘Out of our regard to them we gave them two Blankets and an Handkerchief out of the Small Pox Hospital.I hope it will have the desired effect.’

    Trent knew exactly what he was doing and his intent was quite clear. Of course you knew that because you said you read his journal. Right? As for you not being kin to him, so what? I didn’t claim you were.

    “Howard Zinn has created haters, and all the little people who believe him simply need a reason to hate, so you all generalize like crazy.”

    Little people? What does that mean? All people who agree with Howard Zinn are short? Looks like you’re doing some generalizing of your own. Pot meet kettle.

    “Howard Zinn has created a “generalizer” like you.”

    Howard Zinn has nothing to do with me and I have never read any of his writings.

    “You should be ashamed. Because for every one of the stories like that, museum or not (and btw I have traveled all over the country, don’t think you are talking to some non-educated person, I’m a professional with a Ph.D.) there is also plenty of proof that American Indians were savages.”

    Nope, I’m not ashamed. You said that small pox infected blankets were never given to the Native people and I showed that you were wrong. I told the truth and that’s nothing to be ashamed of. Also, you’re appeal to authority by stating your “credentials” does not help your argument at all. You were wrong about the blankets and your credentials can’t change that.

    “Proof Indians were savages are in museums too, but you don’t see me throwing that up, now do you?”

    You can if you want but that won’t take away from the fact that you were wrong about the blankets.

    “The Am.Indians did not own every square inch in North America so don’t anybody act like they did.”

    I didn’t say they did and that has nothing to do with what I said about the blankets.

    “Also, one of my grandmother’s was murdered, IN HER FRONT YARD, along with some of her children by Indian named Tecumsuh (sp?). The family name was Bonnet (French Bonet). Look it up if you dare.”

    If I dare? LOL Why not double dare me while you’re at it? Again that has nothing to do with the blankets.

    “But you don’t see me generalizing to ALL Indians, now do you?”

    No I don’t and that’s good. It has nothing to do with what I said though.

    “The Quakers are the ones who have helped Indians more than anybody, and continue to do so today.”

    Good for them but that has nothing to do with what I said.

    “It’s the Quakers, who, THIS SPRING of 2010 who paid the attorney fees, and all court costs or whatever, for the Indian tribe which won it’s lawsuit, getting Billions $ (with a B) dollars from the U.S. Govt. in reparations.”

    Again, good for them and again that has nothing to do with anything I said.

    “Are your ancestors doing anything like that nowadays for American Indians? Look it up.”

    My ancestors? Well, they’re not doing anything nowadays because they are all dead.

    “But you fellow Democrats of mine, who need to hate, go ahead and keep repeating the one story you have, of handkerchief loners, etc”.

    I’m not a Democrat so that doesn’t apply to me and what I said shouldn’t be applied to Democrats as I do not speak for them.

    “But you’re going to be forced to explain yourself when you gripe and whine about Republicans being so mean, mean, mean. I don’t want to read ONE Democrat, for example, whining about Rand Paul’s person who stepped on a person’s head, after one of our illustrious Democrats bit off a Republicans finger in Thousand Oaks last Spring, but you don’t hear any of my Dem friends remembering THAT little incident, do we?”

    What does that have to do with what I posted about Trent and the blankets? Wait, I know.. it has nothing to do with it.

    “See? I told everybody that I wouldn’t be able to post ONE POST here without somebody, somebody feeling sorry for the Indians would post something hateful about the white people.”

    Who are you talking about? If you mean me then you’re way off because I never said I felt sorry for anyone and I did not post anything hateful about white people. I only posted the truth about Trent and the blankets.

    “Kyle, you’ve demonstrated you already have ONE viewpiont in mind already, and you’re neurologically searching and searching the archives for stuff to support your negative opinions…I guess because psychologically you simply NEED to hate my white
    ancestors. Period. No other good reason.

    You’re poised and ready to hate.”

    I don’t know who Kyle is and I don’t see any posts by anyone with that name. So.. whatever.

    “I knew I couldn’t post here without at least one liberal Democrat generalizing and acting like they know ALL history of my ancestors…or acting like one person in history gives you rights to criticize all of us now.”

    Not sure who you mean. Maybe that Kyle person? Amway, I am not a liberal Democrat and I never claimed I knew all about your ancestors. I did say that your ancestors and mine weren’t always nice people but I’ll take that back and instead I declare that my ancestors weren’t always nice people and yours were paragons of marvelous virtue. All better now?

    “It’s just a shame, for anybody to generalizing people and who MUST throw together ALL persons from the 1600s. How would you like it if your grandchildren lumped all of us (from 2010) together and said you were killing Iraq children? Oh, you were not in Iraq in 2010? Well somebody was, and that must fit YOUR description since you were alive in 2009, 2010. See? See how that works?”

    I didn’t throw all persons from the 1600′s together so I don’t know where you get that from and your analogy about Iraq doesn’t apply to anything I said.

    “That is how your descendants will be talking about YOU. You and all those Iraq dead children you and I are going to be responsible for killing just because your descendants generalize all of us who lived in the year 2010.”

    Actually, as a nation we are responsible.

    “I can see some people never took college level critical thinking skills, and plenty of them are readers of SPLCenter mail.”

    Are you including yourself in that group? If not then you should. Your posts do not show that you have very good critical thinking skills, your reading comprehension hasn’t been too great and you veer off into unrelated tangents. Also you were wrong about the blankets.

  • Laura Kapshaw

    Rosalyn,

    You are too funny. I call BS on your “qualifications” and your so called family history. You come across like some angry white person who can not stand the truth about your white ancestors. You gripe about generalizations yet you generalize by calling someone a young person when you don’t know their age simply because they didn’t agree with your white rant. You’re a hypocrite and a history denier.

    White Europeans enslaved blacks, murdered native peoples of north and south America and committed atrocities world wide. It is the truth. Deal with it.

  • zach wolff

    wow, i really feel sorry for the slave-owners who founded a nation based on the violent conquest of the lands of the “lesser races” because now their spotless image is being tarnished by hate groups.

    patriotism is for chumps.

  • Marty

    How did the discussion here turn into a gigantic apology to “Rosalyn?” Excuse me, but I don’t know the lady and I prefer to carry the discussion back to the hijacking of American patriots and founders by white racists.
    This is an insidious process that is worming it’s way into current thinking, driven by fear and ignorance. Most of the far right candidates and the tea parties seem to think they that men like Jefferson, et. al., were avid Christians, white racists, and idiots like them. Some were indeed white racists because they had not yet been enlightened to the equality of ALL men as we have decided BY LAW in this country. But, by and large, they were not Christians, did not want Christianity or any other religion to be dominant in American governance. These are well-known facts of history, but excuse me, the tea partiers and the rabid white racists are the ones who are trying to re-write history.
    Eighty years ago we were asleep at the wheel. We know better now, and we need to keep on top of the current trend to lead us back to fascism. Some of the current candidates are unapologetically open about their fascist beliefs and if we elect any of them we will be in a world of shit. If anyone REALLY wants to give up ALL their freedom, elect tea party candidates. They will invade your bedroom, your classrooms, your work places and we will be living in a world completely unrecognizable to the “founding fathers.”

  • La Piovra

    There is really no sense in getting one’s back up about one’s ancestors. One of mine was the Bishop of Cordoba, and although it sounds like an honorable post, no one seems to want to talk about it. I had a great-uncle and an uncle, neither of whom I would care to acknowledge on the street. Nobody made up that smallpox story, either. This ploy was carried out several times, and not always with smallpox, nor even always on purpose. The Timacuans, an advanced and physically strong people, were obliterated by measles, to which they were not previously exposed. The revenge of the Americas was in tobacco and syphilis, and that was not wholly intentional, either. The business of a historian is to uncover the truth, and not to glorify any faction, yet, given the same facts, competent people may honestly come to different conclusions. The purpose of history is to learn from it, not repeat it.

  • J. Darnell

    I’ve read Howard Zinn’s textbooks and he definitely has a slant to try and make white people look like they are evil.

    And in Zinn’s lifetime, he was always marching for Blacks and/or Jews, for the rights of African-Americans, etc. which is to be admired. Isay that part of his life was admirable.

    But yet I don’t admire somebody who can’t fight for the rights of one group of people, without writing stuff that puts others in such a bad light.

    That’s what I’ll remember Zinn for doing. He wrote about Emma Goldman (Jewish), all sorts of glowing things, that even her niece and other relatives had to intervene and say, (paraphrasing) “hey, she wasn’t that much of a saint”.

    The only thing I can conclude is that Howard Zinn has been angry since birth, that his parents were Jewish. He obviously hated Europeans and all white people who came to the New World from Europe.

    He didn’t mention of course, that 99% of the people who came here, were never Puritans nor at Jamestowne, but rather were poor people who were being persecuted back in England and Europe for being Protestant.

    Most of the immigrants to the NewWorld were Planters not Puritans. And Quakers who were abused by the puritans. They all came for religious
    freedom. So they could be protestant, not the Church of England, etc.

    I think Howard Zinn was just constantly peeved that his parents were Jewish.

    I thnk it would have been easier for him to go into psychotherapy to treat his anger, rather than write reams of papers giving the impression that all Black people=wonderful, All Jews=wonderful, but all White people=evil.

  • Paen

    The fact is that the USA is built on the ashes of thousands of Indian villages and was built with the sweat of slaves and so called illegal aliens.Furthermore much of the wealth of the USA is maitained by bleeding the third world dry.

  • Middle Ground

    Thank you Rosalyn Dupre for your comments.

    As you can see by my name, I’m in the middle here.

    And the trouble starts when people generalize, as you said.

    I see Kyle starts off his comment using the plural
    phrases, but can only give one example. And I’ve seen Trent’s stuff too, and no, he didn’t give Indians disease on purpose.

    Even if he had, the naive thinkers who do not read nor process enough critical thinking, will always take one example, and assume plural action.

    When you view all the negative things done by separate people in all of modern mankind, wow,
    those of us modern people are going to look hateful, you, me, all of us.
    Thats ALL of us who live nowadays, in the minds of generalizers of the future.

    Descendants of the generalizers like Kyle who live in the year 2099, or 2140 are going to hold you and me and Kyle responsble for every Vietnamese who was killed back in the 1960s, using Kyle’s logic.

    Not good.

  • Rosalyn Dupre

    To Jay Lylesburg, gee, your post is proof-positive of yet another young person who hears that ONE person did something, then generalizes to an ENTIRE population of persons.

    Did you not read that my ancestors were QUAKERS?

    Apparently you didn’t read my post, except only what you wanted to read.

    And the man you claim did that, I’ve seen his journal, I’ve read it, and he didn’t do it on purpose. Besides, I’m not kin to him.

    Howard Zinn has created haters, and all the little people who believe him simply need a reason to hate, so you all generalize like crazy.

    Howard Zinn has created a “generalizer” like you.

    You should be ashamed. Because for every one of the stories like that, museum or not (and btw I have traveled all over the country, don’t think you are talking to some non-educated person, I’m a professional with a Ph.D.) there is also plenty of proof that American Indians were savages.

    Proof Indians were savages are in museums too, but you don’t see me throwing that up, now do you?

    The Am.Indians did not own every square inch in North America so don’t anybody act like they did.

    Also, one of my grandmother’s was murdered, IN HER FRONT YARD, along with some of her children by Indian named Tecumsuh (sp?). The family name was Bonnet (French Bonet). Look it up if you dare.

    But you don’t see me generalizing to ALL Indians, now do you?
    The Quakers are the ones who have helped Indians more than anybody, and continue to do so today.

    It’s the Quakers, who, THIS SPRING of 2010 who paid the attorney fees, and all court costs or whatever, for the Indian tribe which won it’s lawsuit, getting Billions $ (with a B) dollars from the U.S. Govt. in reparations.

    Are your ancestors doing anything like that nowadays for American Indians? Look it up.

    But you fellow Democrats of mine, who need to hate, go ahead and keep repeating the one story you have, of handkerchief loners, etc.

    But you’re going to be forced to explain yourself when you gripe and whine about Republicans being so mean, mean, mean. I don’t want to read ONE Democrat, for example, whining about Rand Paul’s person who stepped on a person’s head, after one of our illustrious Democrats bit off a Republicans finger in Thousand Oaks last Spring, but you don’t hear any of my Dem friends remembering THAT little incident, do we?

    See? I told everybody that I wouldn’t be able to post ONE POST here without somebody, somebody feeling sorry for the Indians would post something hateful about the white people.

    Kyle, you’ve demonstrated you already have ONE viewpiont in mind already, and you’re neurologically searching and searching the archives for stuff to support your negative opinions…I guess because psychologically you simply NEED to hate my white
    ancestors. Period. No other good reason.

    You’re poised and ready to hate.

    I knew I couldn’t post here without at least one liberal Democrat generalizing and acting like they know ALL history of my ancestors…or acting like one person in history gives you rights to criticize all of us now.

    It’s just a shame, for anybody to generalizing people and who MUST throw together ALL persons from the 1600s. How would you like it if your grandchildren lumped all of us (from 2010) together and said you were killing Iraq children? Oh, you were not in Iraq in 2010? Well somebody was, and that must fit YOUR description since you were alive in 2009, 2010. See? See how that works?

    That is how your descendants will be talking about YOU. You and all those Iraq dead children you and I are going to be responsible for killing just because your descendants generalize all of us who lived in the year 2010.

    I can see some people never took college level critical thinking skills, and plenty of them are readers of SPLCenter mail.

  • Ruslan Amirkhanov

    Excuse me but who was teaching about the “non-racist, internationalist, multicultural founding fathers”? Last time I checked, conservatives were bitching when “libruhls” suggesting teaching the truth about the Founding Fathers- that many were slave owners, racists, and so on. At the same time they whine when libruhls point out another fact about them- that many were agnostics, athiests, or at least staunch advocates of a secular government. It was liberals, not conservatives, who didn’t like the hagiographic representations of the Founding Fathers as heroes for all Americans.

    So what are you going to whine about next? If people tell the truth about the Founding Fathers, are you going to whine about that?

  • Difluoroethane

    Rosalyn,

    You have a point there. What you mention is one of the reasons why, while I lean Democratic and support Obama (still), I consider myself a moderate rather than a liberal.

    Of course, all these labels are relative. Rush Limbaugh would consider me a liberal. The NPI would probably consder me a Communist. On the other hand, Cynthia McKinney or Louis Farrakhan would no doubt view me as right-wing or whatever. That’s why I try to stay reasonably close to the middle on most issues, even though I catch a lot of flack from both sides for doing so.

    I occasionally edit Wikipedia articles relating to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and you wouldn’t believe how much extremism and vitriol there is on BOTH sides of that conflict. I have been accused of being both a Zionist and of having (in the words of one anonymous flamewarrior) “a bias against the Jewish people”. Neither, of course, is anywhere close to being true. But, because I’m a moderate who keeps and open mind and tries to avoid carrying water for any particular “side” of any conflict (similarly to the Quakers you mentioned), I get slammed by extremists on both sides.

    One reason why I like the SPLC is because they, too, are quite moderate. They oppose groups like the NPI, the COfCC and the KKK, but they also oppose the New Black Panthers and the Jewish Defense League, too. They don’t seem to be biased in any way, and that’s something I like.

  • Jay Lylesburg

    To Rosalyn Dupre,

    Whether you like it or not, the whites did give blankets infected with smallpox to the native people of America. It is not a lie dreamed up by Howard Zinn. It is documented in William Trent’s journal (written at Fort Pitt in 1763) that he (Trent) gave two blankets and a handkerchief from the small pox hospital to natives visiting the fort. William Trent’s journal is keep at the Historical Society of Pennsylvania and can be viewed by the public. It is documented proof that the event occurred, unless of course you think Howard Zinn took a time machine back to 1763 and wrote the journal under Trent’s name.

    Open your eyes to the truth Rosalyn, Your ancestors and mine were not always nice people.

  • Carter

    Dearest Rosalyn:
    Your statements are one of the most profound reasons why I despise party politics. In fact political parties have LOST my vote. I vote for the person. Sweeping statements are disgustingly foolish not matter what the source.
    I am NOT alone. There are many people (like myself) who have given up on the party politics or “all Republicans are….”. or “ALL Democrats are….”

    I have wondered why Juan Williams got canned….(?) Did he REALLY get sacked for appearing on FOX News? IF that’s the case whoever did that should be ashamed of themselves. If a progressive has to live in fear of giving an interview on a recognized major network simply because it is viewed as right-wing, that is ridiculous.
    If FOX is bias and it is obvious, the (supposedly) there should be little fear that an interaction would be anything but productive as it adds a differing view point.
    What’s to be frightened of,anyway?

  • Jean Hilliard

    Rosalyn, I have a lot of Quakers in my background, also and one thing Quakers believed in was turning the other cheek (but only once). However, nothing could make me want to vote Republican.

  • Rosalyn Dupre

    First, I want to say I don’t approve of anything that is racist. I want to state up front that I’m a long time Democrat. I voted for Obama, and I probably will again.
    But I’m also the descendant of several of the patriots you mentioned, as well as, Boone and others. (I do a lot of genealogy, so I know the details of who I’m related to).
    I also know that many of my fellow Democrat’s have been so brain-washed with lies.

    And I’ve been insulted and insulted about my family, time and time again, each time I mention my white ancestors at Jamestowne, Va. and that they came here in the 1600s. I’ve tolerated mean, vicious comments by “librals” online and I’m sick of it.

    Young people have been taught by haters such as Howard Zinn (liberals know him as a sweetheart of a hero). I say hater because he is the person who re-wrote history books that explained how the white people PURPOSELY gave the Am. Indians blankets that were infected with disease. A lie.!

    I consider myself a progressive Democrat, but not necessarily a liberal. This may change fairly soon.

    Liberals will further insult me on MY OWN FACEBOOK WALL, whenever I post something personal about my own ancestors who were Quakers (the posters are ignorant of Quakers).
    William Penn paid good competitive prices to the Indians for land, and so did his followers, the Friends Society (Quakers).
    Further, the Quakers were anti-slavery, anti-war. They created the Underground Railroad for escaping slaves. They were the first for womens equal rights long before it was popular or okay to do.
    Quakers in recent times won the Nobel Peace Prize in 1947, and Quakers created OxFam, Greenpeace, and Amnesty International.

    No, Quakers did not ‘abuse’ Indians. But today’s teachers keep pushing textbooks like Howard Zinn’s which belittle my ancestors, and I’m fed up.

    They also are filled with lies about Texans and Mexico. I have one ancestor who fought in the battle of San Jacinto. My grandparents worked very hard in early Texas 1826, 1836 etc. But Yankee liberals think they know my grandparents more than I do, and do not hesitate to insult me on my on FB Wall,
    claiming all Texans have “stolen” land from Mexicans!!

    I’m sick of writers like Zinn who should be sued for abuse, except that he died earlier this year. And he has a reputation for being a peaceful person? No! He lied about my family and I’m sick of it.

    Young people nowadays are not taught to be proud of our ancestors even though each person may very well be a descendant of them, just like me. I never knew until lately, until I looked up my ancestors on Ancestry dot com.

    So now our young people are heavily criticizing THEIR OWN family. They’re being taught these lies!
    So something has to be done to counteract them..

    And in the meantime, I’ve had it with all the hurtful comments made to me ON MY OWN WALL by liberals who read Zinn’s re-education of history.

    It’s enough to make me want to vote Republican.
    Liberal’s should not be taking their hate out on me, thats for sure. I’m a Senior, a retired professional, and a recent widow. But leave it up to some of my liberal friends to insult me until I had to kick them off my Wall. Go figure.

  • Ethan

    Good Morning! Has everyone had their morning cup of joe yet!. N.P.I,this is a very simple fix,think about the souce of these statements, then laugh til your belly hurts, now remenber X-mas is just around the coner,so with the sprit of giving in our hearts,let’s send them all a box “Rubber Bands” so that they can place them on their heads,and snap themselfves back to reality. Founding Who!,history books are still free for those of us who can read. Have agreat day and do something kind for someone at least once a day.

  • jerry

    Uh, you do realize the Founding Fathers were all white and their views on race were more “extreme” than the NPI? Jefferson favored ending slavery and shipping blacks back to Africa. I don’t know anything about NPI but I can guarantee their representation of the the Founding Fathers is much, much, closer to the truth than the phony conventional school pap that pretends they were multiculturalists and internationalists. It isn’t the NPI that is lying about the Founding Fathers, but you. The Founding Fathers were racists, full stop, far more so than many of the people you openly call racist today. The reason their racism isn’t spoken about in school, the reason you pretend to be shocked, is because the phony, bland, mutliculturalist Founding Fathers are a propaganda tool to convince whites that the historical nation won’t disappear under mass migration. It’s a lie and a con game designed to keep whites from asserting their political and cultural interests. Paen in the Oct. 27th 3:20 P.M. entry above accurately stated what the vast majority of Liberals really believe about the Founding Fathers and white America, it is you who are guilty of hijacking the Founding Fathers, of lying about them, to camouflage your hatred of traditional America. Tell the truth and let the chips fall where they may

  • Difluoroethane

    Lewis and Clark, on the other hand, had very friendly relationships with the Native Americans. I doubt that they would be very happy about the NPI’s attempt to hijack them, any more than Rockwell would.

  • Difluoroethane

    If I remember correctly, Kit Carson was and is a VERY unpopular figure among Native Americans, too.

  • Paen

    Lets not froget that both Jefferson and Washington as well as many other founding fathers owned slaves and even the northeners supported genocide against the native peoples.
    Furthermore their revolution had no place for women and gays were treated like criminals.

  • Difluoroethane

    IlludiumPhosdex:

    I don’t know about the NPI, but Pamela Geller (who has been mentioned on this blog before) has glorified the late South African extremist Eugene Terre’Blanche, who made Hendrik Verwoerd look like Nelson Mandela.

  • skinnyminny

    Mark Caudill,
    Wow! Thanks for looking out! There’s video all over the news of Rand Paul’s security/supporters attacking a female at the debate – they (Paul’s camp) pulled off the woman’s wig, threw her to the ground and stomped her – mind you, these were men. Also in the news (but not teevee) is Meg Whitman’s son was accused of rape. Personally, I think the teevee media is being paid handsomely by these groups and the corps that back them that they are trying to manipulate the public by making these groups appear to be choir/alter boys and girls – go figure!

  • Difluoroethane

    It’s especially disgusting that this racist organization created a page for Norman Rockwell, whom I admire. He was a member of the NAACP and a strong supporter of the Civil Rights Movement and Martin Luther King Jr. Indeed, he was as anti-racist as anyone could possibly be. He’d be turning in his grave if he knew that modern-day segregationists like the NPI were attempting to hijack his legacy.

    If you want to learn what Norman Rockwell was really like, you might want to read these pages:

    http://www.sfltimes.com/index......#038;Itemi

  • Mark Caudill

    Did anyone notice that one of the Rand Paul activist/attackers, Mike Pezzano, listed “American Party”, and “Patriot Party” as interests on a networking site?

  • http://theblogthatam.yolasite.com/blog.php IludiumPhosdex

    How much longer before the so-called “National Policy Institute” glorifies apartheid South African extremists like Hendrik Verwoerd and uses them as “heroes and role-models”?

  • Bernard Anderson

    I’ll certainly be avoiding these pages the NPI have flooded Facebook with. Let the user beware.

  • Carter

    Quote:
    “Andrews, on his “Stalking” website, counsels that the best strategy for countering social taboos against assertions of racial differences and white superiority is stealth: “Stalking taboos requires ‘long periods of quietness, a low profile, protective coloration, and the diversion of the quarry’s attention to other matters until the propitious moment.’ … a taboo cannot be productively attacked until the time is ripe.””

    I am surprised to be so validated in my summery of how the bigot-oriented methodology functions in present society.
    I have made plain this concept since I have been posting to this blog.

    Having no contextual wording I have used terms such as “Piggy-backing” & “gradient introduction”
    [of bigotry].

    Bigotry serves to de-focus. That is one of the main reasons for it’s introduction to Nazi Germany.
    When times are tough, if instead of working in a direction of improvement; the population can be given a scape-goat, they are satisfied & this gives an opportunity for the greater political aims to become realized with little intervention or attention from the public, etc.

    In the Nazi example we have the pathological and the exploitative. The opportunities of the larger commercial concerns of the German “military-industrial complex” needed BOTH war and the slight of hand played upon the population to expand it’s growth to staggering levels.
    The pathological agenda (“the “Final Solution”) was for some, the main agenda – as it fulfilled various dark hallmarks of the deeply disturbed.

    We MUST NOT let this happen to America! The concept may find support from those who would profit by taking the public’s eye from the goal of fiscal aggrandizement “to rescue America from (fill in the exploitative scape-goat)”.
    Making strange bed-fellows appears unlikely now but perhaps some time in the future it may appear as an easy way out of a horrid financial mess – and quite attractive!

  • Susan Lowery

    The NPI is so disturbing. The information on their page relative to SPLC is poisonous. How shameful that they sneak around on FB gathering names, and calling them “fans”.

  • Tamara Lichtenstein

    Thank you for alerting us about this!