Thanks for your input. I was hoping not to sound as if I have a bias towards one or the other. I guess, as I explained, this was disturbing to me and appeared to be discriminatory practices. I also was looking at the fact that some in Mexico, and Central American countries that the people are either extremely poor or extremely rich. In addition, I do know some people that were from Mexico, and this was years ago, probably a little more than a decade ago, they lived on ranches and said they love living in Mexico. However, they said that they were working here to build up retirement money. Then the other side of the coin, I know people from Belize, and they made accusations that land was taken from the locals for outside investors/corporations…

So, again, thanks for your response. I was just thinking it was a little unfair to ‘Mexicans,’ that they are having to leave their country to come here and face open hostility. And yes, I do agree that it is a right-wing political ploy, however, this is causing deep wounds, and racial divides/tensions, and causes some immigrants to fear for their safety.

I tell you something that happened last night; I thought it was racially insensitive, yet, at the same time, I laughed so hard I had tears running down my face. Last night, at about 8:30 p.m. (pacific time), The Tim Conway Jr. Show on KFI640 AM radio, the show was entitled, “What The Hell Did Jesse Jackson Say.” The host played clips of Jesse Jackson and callers would try to identify what Jackson said. It was conducted like a game show. One caller got the quote right, the caller said, “I took Ebonics.” At the end of a commercial break, the music was by Stevie Wonder with the lyrics, “When I was a nappy-headed little boy.” Yet, another played what I considered to be a recorded black church sermon. Towards the end of the show, the host said, “here are some clips I didn’t play,” and it played Jackson saying, “dubba dubba dubba,” which was supposed to be pronounced as www. What I take offense to, I don’t think this is Ebonics. As a black woman, I don’t know what kind of language this is actually. I also take offense to this, because, not all blacks talk in ‘Ebonics,’ in other words, what’s next? A name for people who speak what some would say ‘broken English?’

Let me explain briefly what I mean. There’s anti-immigration sentiment towards “illegal immigrants,” in this country that mostly target Central Americans, yet, most people against immigrants think that all peoples from Central America are “Mexicans.”

I’ve heard and read about people that are anti-immigration say or write, “why don’t Mexicans go back and fix their (insert blank) country…” Now, let’s put two and two together, Carlos Slim was listed in Forbes as the richest man in the world, the Raffoul family is also a wealthy family…we, at least, most of us know what is happening in Mexico. Now, let’s briefly think about Haiti, look at the poor conditions there. Belize recently elected a new prime minister, the minister prior to the elections was Palestinian and was allegedly caught embezzling money – in fact, it is alleged that Hugo Chavez gave money (said to be in the millions of U.S. dollars) to Belize to fund the country’s healthcare system, and it is said the money disappeared. And lastly, Issa is said to have voted against amnesty, among other things.

I am open to discussion about this, because, again, this is something that is quite disturbing to me. If I am wrong, please correct me!

Moscow existed long before the Mongol invasion, but it didn’t really rise to prominence until some time after the sacking of Kiev(the real center of Russian culture and history). First off, it is important to realize that most of the “Mongols” were in fact Turks, not Mongols at all. The language barrier was not an impediment to tribes of the steppe when it came to confederations. A great many of these Turks also had relatives which had been living in what is now European Russia for some time. Mainly these were Kypchaks. Russian princes often allied with Kypchaks. There were also the Turkic Bulgars of Volga Bulgaria, present day Tatarstan. Of course they all traded a lot but it’s hard to comment on how often they intermarried or interbred.

For one thing, Turks seem to have had a wide variety of physical traits. Some still look very Asiatic in appearance, whereas modern-day Tatars and Chuvashes my be totally European looking. In fact some Tatars are more European looking than ethnic Russians.

Of course WNs have no understanding of this, because they have virtually no experience with real European culture or history that isn’t on some internet forum.

http://anti-racistcanada.blogs.....trean.html

The fact that you find something in common with Kennewick man(who may not have been a “Solutrean” as it is not proven that they ever migrated to America anyway) is pretty strange. His face resembles some Native Americans, or an Ainu of Japan. “Solutrean” is just another half-cocked theory WNs use to justify their idiocy, and as always they rarely fully research the theory as well.

Of course it’s absolutely ridiculous that you find something in common with people who existed tens of thousands of years ago. If you find such solidarity with Solutreans, why not go back further, to Africa? Here you think this long-dead man is your racial brother because you decided his reconstructed face looks like Patrick Stewart. We could find hundreds and thousands of people who look far “whiter” than him in Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Iran, or Northern China- are you going to express your solidarity with those living people?

I also know about Haiti, there’s a Lebanese/Haitian born businessman that have factories, what some call sweatshop factories.

So, if you don’t mind, please elaborate. Please explain why Latinos and Blacks have much to worry about!

However, perhaps, you can elaborate on this for me. I know that Carlos Slim from Mexico is Lebanese, and I’ve read that he is or was in talks to purchase the NY Post or NY Times. I know about Isaac Saba Raffoul in Mexico, and the family foundation connection to Bush’s presidential Library. I know who owns the Palms Hotel & Casino. I also know Rep. Issa, at least the local papers reported that his constituents were angry when a brush fire broke and he was reportedly in Syria helping build cellphone towers. Now, I also know that Lebanese are throughout Central and South America, i.e., the singer Shakira is Lebanese-Colombian. Is this what is happening, that the Lebanese are crushing the minorities from within, Black and Latinos?

And being Maronite would the ancestry of those peoples have embraced Christianity?

That was also related to my query on what is “white”? Where as we see the mongols conquering a broad section of Eastern Europe & beyond, their roots possibly being Asian; how much inter-marriage did occur prior to the “Rus” forming Moscow?

Actually, that surname of Aramaic origin. Jim Kouri is most certainly not an Arab. He’s a Maronite, a person who’s descended from the indigenous pre-Arab, and pre-Islamic peoples of Levant. You know, the Phoenicians, Aramaeans, Byzantine Greeks, and Sassanid Persians.

http://www.debbieschlussel.com.....not-arabs/

BTW, minny and Carter, you are both aware that Arabs are not actually native to Middle East and North Africa, right? The Arabs’ actual homeland is the Arabian peninsula (Yemen, Oman, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and the Emirates). All of the present day Muslim “Arab” countries that stretch from Iraq to Western Sahara, are only so because of the Islamic conquests and Arab colonization in 7th century A.D.

http://faculty.cua.edu/penning.....sts636.htm

We just went through some riots in Oakland over the shooting death of Oscar Grant. Protests from the shooting of the Guatemalan immigrant worker. Questions arising from the investigation of Mitrice Richards.

This was what I was talking about when I mentioned the subtle (& sometimes not so subtle) “self hate” that becomes toxic in many and varied peoples.
Listen to some comedians and occasionally you’ll hear it. Watch children play and you’ll see it on occasion. It can be very sad in a sense but it’s always destructive to the individual’s sense of self-worth.

In can be illustrated in the “absorption” of a culture or a simple loathing for one’s roots. But self hatred exists and undermines a great many wonderful things about the things that make us unique & allow us to appreciate the world around us.