Comments on: AFA’s Fischer Doubles Down on Anti-Gay Lies

By: Richard

Richard — Thu, 22 Dec 2011 09:53:16 +0000

If you want to see how unbelievable and despicable it is that even pastors in churces now will spread these hateful anti-gay myths as truths take a look at this video by a pastor named Bryan Newberry from Calvary Chapel San Diego:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDTP-ylG8vg

Newberry cowardly disabled comments on the video, how I wish someone would contact him showing him the truth of how so-called “Christian” hate groups such as the Family Research Council, Traditional Values Coalition, American Family Association, etc. have created these hateful lies to spread them as truths! He probably doesn’t even know these groups where he most likely gets his statistics have been listed by the SPLC as hate groups. These kind of hateful lies shouldn’t be being told to people even in churches to try brainwash people with this nonsense!

By: vincent guarrieri

vincent guarrieri — Sun, 30 Jan 2011 23:57:22 +0000

bigotry is bigotry no matter what you hate and hate breeds hate. I am ashamed of american family fitness and will do my best to let all my friends and family know that this is a company that no one should support and I look forward to seeing this nazi company closing soon , lets put a nail in this coffin.

By: John Molina

John Molina — Thu, 06 Jan 2011 18:22:08 +0000

Honestly, I have NOT EVEN heard of three of the ten “myths” here. And Myth # 6 is a combination of two, three? Does that count as one?

While some of these claims are indeed absurd, to call something a “lie” and then attempt to explain with a “Modern sciende cannot state conclusively what causes sexual orientation” (but in the mean time, we are going to have our way) is nothing less than DISHONEST.

Yes, it is true that same-sex couples are like or similar to heteroseuxal couples: control of one over the other and the reality of domestic violence. Are they still going to push for marriage in 2012 in CA now that the cost of divorce in this state has gone up as of 1/1/11???

One thing I can tell you off the bat, w/o having to go into much “research,” is that while the claim about the Nazi party may be false or a distortion, it is true, as Albert Speer acknowledged in SPANDAU, that homo-eroticism was quite prevalent. In fact, this homo-eroticism among the higher echelon of the Nazi party became a subplot of the British-German 1969 copriduction, THE DAMNED, directed by the master Luchino Visconti, himself a homosexual and a Marxist. The important distinction here is that homosexuality and homo-eroticism are TWO VERY DIFFERENT animals. The error of the “opponents” is in not making this important distinction and the error of the article is in the sidestepping of the veracity of this homo-eroticism within the upper echelons of the Nazi party.

By: John Molina

John Molina — Thu, 06 Jan 2011 18:05:25 +0000

Snortax, and Gus van Sant’s film wasn’t propaganda?

By: Dakotahgeo

Dakotahgeo — Sun, 26 Dec 2010 01:52:08 +0000

David Hart said it best, above, “Fischer seems to have become more obsessed with gays than even Porno Pete LaBarbera. Anyone this rabid is probably insecure over his own sexuality.”
If the GLBT population were as obsessed with homosexuality as the right wing ‘family values’ people, we’d ALL be locked up for our own protection. Yes, tedium is the best word possible to explain my feeling concerning the right wing American christian Taliban. Thanks, SPLC!!

By: Chuck

Chuck — Sat, 25 Dec 2010 21:29:44 +0000

Good call, NJ…and let us not forget that commandment about not bearing false witness, which Fischer seems to have no prob repeatedly disregarding…does he think that exemptions are granted if the lies are told in Jesus’ name?

By: Marlene

Marlene — Thu, 23 Dec 2010 22:05:44 +0000

NJ — You have to realize that these members of the American Taliban, like Fisher, are highly delusional.

First, they believe, like their radical Muslim brothers, that they are the true and perfect followers of their faith. Then they have the delusion that they must impose their interpretation on everyone within their faith.

Their delusion then spreads to where they believe that civil law must be abolished, replacing it with their racial and narrow interpretation of said faith.

Finally, their delusion causes them to believe that their faith is so pure and so pious, they no longer need to follow the laws of their own faith! This is how Fisher and their ilk get out of violating the Eighth Commandment of bearing false witness.

By: Peter Paul Fuchs

Peter Paul Fuchs — Thu, 23 Dec 2010 20:52:34 +0000

Naturally, I can’t stand the rhetoric or tactics of people like this Fischer. But somehow noting that they have a penchant for lying seems to leave some question unanswered in my mind. Namely, how do they justify the lies to themselves? Somewhere in there is a rationale that must go something like this: well, this may not make any sense but it is OK because I have the higher sense of X,Y, or Z. What this then means is that when people like this speak of logic or coherence they tend not to mean the integrity of terms or ideas before them. Thus when they are accused or lying or meaninglessness they have an inner rejoinder by which they accept themselves: I answer only to a higher law. Curiously, they never make this step explicit. And this is point that I find most fascinating. In reality they don’t make it explicit because it would open them to real questioning about ultimate matters. To wit, the opposite interlocutor might point out the that he/she also has a sense of higher law, but that for the sake of commonweal one is trying to use mutually accepted terms and limits that make sense. What would the reactionary say then?? They know they would have nothing or little to say, except— I’ll take my ball and go home. So they keep quiet about their inner assumption BUT with the smug presumption that they are doing you a favor by even bothering to make some little bit of sense in common terms. Thus they can believe that in fact not delivering themselves of their inner presumption is somehow a big bit of largesse towards you.

Anyways, that seems to be the strategy of the whole side against gay rights. Sadly, gay rights is not even where these mental somersaults do the worst damage. As an example recently the Catholic Canon Lawyer Edward Peters, who is also on a special Vatican courts, delivered himself of a rationale on his website, that was so strikingly and stridently authoritarian, and potentially totalitarian, that it takes one’s breath away. He did this by simply dismissing some questions about the Catholic Church’s actions with the following observation. Because Jesus said “the gates of hell would not prevail” against the Church, therefore any substantial questions about the Church were off limits for a moral person. Huh? This is the absolute nadir of the way-of-thinking described above. And it is interesting as a clarification of the mental process. But in this reductionist version, coherence and integrity are not negated merely by a higher adherence of a law, but my the negation of the very possibility of any valid criticism merely because of biblical prescription. It is really worth taking the time to anatomize the conceptual styles of folks like these because ti helps one understand that though they may give lip service to coherence and logic, they in fact mean something utterly different by it, even different from what they themselves avow that it is.

And the king of this rhetoric is the tawdry Robert George, but that is the topic for a whole other little analysis.

By: Snorlax

Snorlax — Thu, 23 Dec 2010 17:17:14 +0000

Fischer is using propaganda tactics that Josef Goebbels or Karl Rove would be proud of.

Same type of “reasoning” permeates FOX “News”. Or any other network Rupert Murdock runs worldwide.

The question is…are people smart enough to tell when they’re being LIED to??

By: NJ May

NJ May — Thu, 23 Dec 2010 17:12:26 +0000

Do you suppose all these so called “Christians” missed reading the words of Jesus? Didn’t He give us a great commandant to love your neighbor as yourself? Where did all this hate come from?? Also, one of the 10 Commandants is not to bear false witness, or lie? Unbelievable!!

By: Lou Hart

Lou Hart — Thu, 23 Dec 2010 16:16:45 +0000

This sounds very similiar to stuff going on in the UK as well – thank you guys for all your hard work. It is good to know that people like Fiuscher are challenged.

By: Red Mann

Red Mann — Tue, 21 Dec 2010 03:22:02 +0000

I read Fischer’s blog on Rightly Concerned not to read his garbage, which I skip over knowing it will never have any value, but to enjoy the comments that are posted. Somewhere around 95% call Fischer out for his bigotry and hatred. It’s just amazing that this happens on virtually every post. It warms the cockles of my skeptical heart to read them. Even the Christians dis him.

By: David Hart

David Hart — Tue, 21 Dec 2010 02:39:05 +0000

Being gay is not unhealthy. It is repression that puts gay people at risk.

Fischer knows that he has an intellectually incurious constituency. They will believe anything that he says no matter how illogical or preposterous. AFA’s subscribers and readers are not exactly a bevy of acutely accomplished critical thinkers. Clearly, Fischer has no respect for the intelligence of his readers. Presumably, he knows his audience better than I do.

On the other hand, what SPLC writes about him seems to be very important to Fischer. Some years ago Mark (I think it was Mark) wrote “A Mighty Army.” Not much has changed.

Fischer seems to have become more obsessed with gays than even Porno Pete LaBarbera. Anyone this rabid is probably insecure over his own sexuality.