Comments on: The Radical Right Responds to the Tucson Shootings http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/01/10/the-radical-right-responds-to-the-tucson-shootings/ Hatewatch is a blog of the Southern Poverty Law Center Tue, 18 Jun 2013 12:41:39 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Ruslan Amirkhanov http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/01/10/the-radical-right-responds-to-the-tucson-shootings/comment-page-2/#comment-237069 Ruslan Amirkhanov Fri, 21 Jan 2011 17:37:46 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=5452#comment-237069 Excuse me but Spetsnaz typically falls under the jurisdiction of the GRU, military intelligence, not the KGB nor it's successor, the FSB. They only had one or two units at the most, it may be only one now. "Spetsnaz" generally denotes special operations forces, some as "innocent" as the recon units for Russia's conventional forces. At no time were Spetsnaz behind "terrorist" attacks on Western governments, anymore than US Army Rangers were responsible for such attacks. That being said, Russia Today airs so many nutcases from America that I'm surprised Loughner didn't have his own regular show on the network. Excuse me but Spetsnaz typically falls under the jurisdiction of the GRU, military intelligence, not the KGB nor it’s successor, the FSB. They only had one or two units at the most, it may be only one now. “Spetsnaz” generally denotes special operations forces, some as “innocent” as the recon units for Russia’s conventional forces.

At no time were Spetsnaz behind “terrorist” attacks on Western governments, anymore than US Army Rangers were responsible for such attacks.

That being said, Russia Today airs so many nutcases from America that I’m surprised Loughner didn’t have his own regular show on the network.

]]> By: mah29732 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/01/10/the-radical-right-responds-to-the-tucson-shootings/comment-page-2/#comment-236604 mah29732 Fri, 21 Jan 2011 00:13:41 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=5452#comment-236604 I am wondering, I know Russia Today was featured on the Southern Poverty Law Center some time ago as an instigator of these conspiracy theory groups. Loughner may have not been an advert viewer of Russia Today, but he shared its views on pushing paranoia on the U.S. government. Iran's own PressTV also does indeed the same thing. I wonder are certain foreign governments being responsible for trying to give that extra push to the American public? By coincidence, Russia Today before it responded to the shootings in Arizona displayed the celebration of Spetsnaz, the Russian old KGB guard special forces from the Cold War who'd instigate those kind of terror attacks during the Cold War against Western governments. Has the SLPC ever connectted the links with these extremists and people like Loughner? There are many YouTube accounts that subscribe to Russia Today that adhere to Loughner's bizarre personality. Btw, there is also a major push by white supremacists to suggest that Loughner was also Jewish, even though they do not mind using Jews to shield themselves from criticism from anti-Semitism when they promote people like Norman Finkelstein. I am wondering, I know Russia Today was featured on the Southern Poverty Law Center some time ago as an instigator of these conspiracy theory groups.

Loughner may have not been an advert viewer of Russia Today, but he shared its views on pushing paranoia on the U.S. government. Iran’s own PressTV also does indeed the same thing.

I wonder are certain foreign governments being responsible for trying to give that extra push to the American public? By coincidence, Russia Today before it responded to the shootings in Arizona displayed the celebration of Spetsnaz, the Russian old KGB guard special forces from the Cold War who’d instigate those kind of terror attacks during the Cold War against Western governments.

Has the SLPC ever connectted the links with these extremists and people like Loughner? There are many YouTube accounts that subscribe to Russia Today that adhere to Loughner’s bizarre personality.

Btw, there is also a major push by white supremacists to suggest that Loughner was also Jewish, even though they do not mind using Jews to shield themselves from criticism from anti-Semitism when they promote people like Norman Finkelstein.

]]> By: Ruslan Amirkhanov http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/01/10/the-radical-right-responds-to-the-tucson-shootings/comment-page-2/#comment-235559 Ruslan Amirkhanov Wed, 19 Jan 2011 07:11:45 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=5452#comment-235559 Rayne, there are terrorists among the Cuban exile community, and they have enjoyed the protection and sometimes the funding of the US government. What's wrong with labeling someone when the label fits? Rayne, there are terrorists among the Cuban exile community, and they have enjoyed the protection and sometimes the funding of the US government. What’s wrong with labeling someone when the label fits?

]]> By: skinnyminny http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/01/10/the-radical-right-responds-to-the-tucson-shootings/comment-page-2/#comment-234823 skinnyminny Mon, 17 Jan 2011 20:42:58 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=5452#comment-234823 Did anyone see the youtube video, "Sarah Palin Battle Hymn," sung by alleged tea party? This youtube video is being posted on sites. Did anyone see the youtube video, “Sarah Palin Battle Hymn,” sung by alleged tea party? This youtube video is being posted on sites.

]]> By: nash984954 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/01/10/the-radical-right-responds-to-the-tucson-shootings/comment-page-2/#comment-234769 nash984954 Mon, 17 Jan 2011 18:05:42 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=5452#comment-234769 Swampcat and Guardian, drinking the koolaid again, I see. Another couple of right wingers and FOX noise aficionados making stuff up and calling it unrefutable facts again. It is that you should look at the boulder in your own eye before calling attention to what is in another's eye. What you say about the left, just saying it doesn't make it so. You do not have access to your own facts, actually that is your mistaken claim. But facts are not exclusive to conservatives, in fact conservatives would not know a fact if one bit them on their a**. Swampcat and Guardian, drinking the koolaid again, I see. Another couple of right wingers and FOX noise aficionados making stuff up and calling it unrefutable facts again. It is that you should look at the boulder in your own eye before calling attention to what is in another’s eye. What you say about the left, just saying it doesn’t make it so. You do not have access to your own facts, actually that is your mistaken claim. But facts are not exclusive to conservatives, in fact conservatives would not know a fact if one bit them on their a**.

]]> By: - http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/01/10/the-radical-right-responds-to-the-tucson-shootings/comment-page-2/#comment-234711 - Mon, 17 Jan 2011 16:17:01 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=5452#comment-234711 "<i>fascination with Mein Kampf any sort of indicator that he is left-wing or even affiliated with the Republican party? The work by Hitler is just as much denounced and violations of Godwin’s Law </i>" 1. IMO, That's pretty much true. My sense is that the RW shed their neonazism after the late 1980's. I suspect this may be one of the few positive influences of Rush Limbaugh. He couldn't risk as much in his early years of "success" as he has since. 2. Just because Jared listed those books, doesn't mean he read them. I myself haven't read any of those (Peter Pan etc), because i don't like fiction. So, do *any* of Jared's own works seem to draw from *any* books on his list? In the last few years of medical deterioration, I wonder if he was able to read very well. “fascination with Mein Kampf any sort of indicator that he is left-wing or even affiliated with the Republican party? The work by Hitler is just as much denounced and violations of Godwin’s Law ”
1. IMO, That’s pretty much true. My sense is that the RW shed their neonazism after the late 1980’s. I suspect this may be one of the few positive influences of Rush Limbaugh. He couldn’t risk as much in his early years of “success” as he has since.
2. Just because Jared listed those books, doesn’t mean he read them. I myself haven’t read any of those (Peter Pan etc), because i don’t like fiction. So, do *any* of Jared’s own works seem to draw from *any* books on his list? In the last few years of medical deterioration, I wonder if he was able to read very well.

]]> By: Rayne http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/01/10/the-radical-right-responds-to-the-tucson-shootings/comment-page-2/#comment-234533 Rayne Mon, 17 Jan 2011 09:00:54 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=5452#comment-234533 @Guardian: and how is his fascination with Mein Kampf any sort of indicator that he is left-wing or even affiliated with the Republican party? The work by Hitler is just as much denounced and violations of Godwin's Law are pulled out the wazoo on left-wing forums with just as much (often misplaced) fury and frequency as they are on any right-wing blog. And demonization? Demonization would mean that those who are demonized are fearful about their own lives, and that every breath which they take is scrutinized and bedeviled with professed impending doom (which I fear is far more of an issue for Jews, especially Israelis, of whatever ideological milieu or residential situation than it is for the most vocal self-identified conservatives). Being conservative is something that would have to be a feature which is driven deep by "different" ancestry, cultural adherence and physical phenotypes before "out-and-out spite against conservatives" can be considered a precursor to a "hate crime". Heck, even communists and socialists in this country have more of a problem with this from avowed anti-communists than anti-communists do from liberal progressives. There is no American left-wing equivalent for such colorful terms as "Red Diaper Baby" or "pink down to her underwear" to describe the most vocal of self-avowed conservatives; certainly, and unfortunately, left-wingers may become more open over time to adopting the anti-Israeli neologisms and rhetoric as a last resort when they have become increasingly authoritarian in their language, often allying with authoritarians in other countries as well. But the language used to describe liberals, progressives and social democrats is often intended to insinuate an "irrefutable" tie between political ideology and biological makeup; the demonization of the left manifests itself in the insinuation that adopting non-authoritarian semi-collectivist ideologies is an action which can only manifest itself in someone who is less capable of performing or participating in even civil life. I dislike it when the libertarians of Reason.com use such language in order to justify the actions of the Pinochet dictatorship in Chile as being the "better" of two evils in regards to their interaction with the citizenry. I dislike it when pro-Castro/Chavez commenters on Democratic Underground use such language in order to get back at the Cuban exiles in South Florida as being "CIA-paid" "coddled" "terrorists". I dislike it when a billionaire activist like George Soros is demonized in similar language by a wide variety of authoritarian-minded individuals in places as far as Malaysia, Serbia and the United States. I dislike it when the concerns of Jewish Americans in regards to Israel's demographic and geopolitical stability are dismissed as being the mere mewlings of "fascist" "Zionazi" "filthy-rich" "villanous" "evil" "reptilian" "Khazar" "fake" "powerful" "nonhumans" or the chosen sacrificial keys to the Second Coming of Jesus and the like by weak-minded, strangely-envious individuals of all political and religious orientations. It's all pathetic. It's all cheap. It's all below the belt. It all reveals a lack of imagination and a willful disregard for the needs of thorough analysis and non-appeal to ancient tribal rivalries. That is what demonization is all about. Scoring points of expressed aggression against easy, shiftable targets which are all living their interdependent lives and doing their parts in the body of this world. @Guardian: and how is his fascination with Mein Kampf any sort of indicator that he is left-wing or even affiliated with the Republican party? The work by Hitler is just as much denounced and violations of Godwin’s Law are pulled out the wazoo on left-wing forums with just as much (often misplaced) fury and frequency as they are on any right-wing blog.

And demonization? Demonization would mean that those who are demonized are fearful about their own lives, and that every breath which they take is scrutinized and bedeviled with professed impending doom (which I fear is far more of an issue for Jews, especially Israelis, of whatever ideological milieu or residential situation than it is for the most vocal self-identified conservatives). Being conservative is something that would have to be a feature which is driven deep by “different” ancestry, cultural adherence and physical phenotypes before “out-and-out spite against conservatives” can be considered a precursor to a “hate crime”.

Heck, even communists and socialists in this country have more of a problem with this from avowed anti-communists than anti-communists do from liberal progressives. There is no American left-wing equivalent for such colorful terms as “Red Diaper Baby” or “pink down to her underwear” to describe the most vocal of self-avowed conservatives; certainly, and unfortunately, left-wingers may become more open over time to adopting the anti-Israeli neologisms and rhetoric as a last resort when they have become increasingly authoritarian in their language, often allying with authoritarians in other countries as well.

But the language used to describe liberals, progressives and social democrats is often intended to insinuate an “irrefutable” tie between political ideology and biological makeup; the demonization of the left manifests itself in the insinuation that adopting non-authoritarian semi-collectivist ideologies is an action which can only manifest itself in someone who is less capable of performing or participating in even civil life.

I dislike it when the libertarians of Reason.com use such language in order to justify the actions of the Pinochet dictatorship in Chile as being the “better” of two evils in regards to their interaction with the citizenry. I dislike it when pro-Castro/Chavez commenters on Democratic Underground use such language in order to get back at the Cuban exiles in South Florida as being “CIA-paid” “coddled” “terrorists”. I dislike it when a billionaire activist like George Soros is demonized in similar language by a wide variety of authoritarian-minded individuals in places as far as Malaysia, Serbia and the United States. I dislike it when the concerns of Jewish Americans in regards to Israel’s demographic and geopolitical stability are dismissed as being the mere mewlings of “fascist” “Zionazi” “filthy-rich” “villanous” “evil” “reptilian” “Khazar” “fake” “powerful” “nonhumans” or the chosen sacrificial keys to the Second Coming of Jesus and the like by weak-minded, strangely-envious individuals of all political and religious orientations.

It’s all pathetic. It’s all cheap. It’s all below the belt. It all reveals a lack of imagination and a willful disregard for the needs of thorough analysis and non-appeal to ancient tribal rivalries.

That is what demonization is all about. Scoring points of expressed aggression against easy, shiftable targets which are all living their interdependent lives and doing their parts in the body of this world.

]]> By: Ruslan Amirkhanov http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/01/10/the-radical-right-responds-to-the-tucson-shootings/comment-page-2/#comment-234442 Ruslan Amirkhanov Mon, 17 Jan 2011 04:57:15 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=5452#comment-234442 Guardian, Mein Kampf is a right wing manifesto. As I said before, a lot of people seem confused about what "right and left" mean. For example, Tea Party Christians and Muslim fundamentalists are both right wing, regardless of the fact that they would consciously hate each other. In the past two years there have been a number of cases with far more solid links to right wing propaganda than in this case. The question is why did the mainstream media suddenly jump on this one, crying wolf and making the connection look absurd, while they more or less ignored the more solid connections in previous cases going back to 2008? Guardian, Mein Kampf is a right wing manifesto. As I said before, a lot of people seem confused about what “right and left” mean. For example, Tea Party Christians and Muslim fundamentalists are both right wing, regardless of the fact that they would consciously hate each other.

In the past two years there have been a number of cases with far more solid links to right wing propaganda than in this case. The question is why did the mainstream media suddenly jump on this one, crying wolf and making the connection look absurd, while they more or less ignored the more solid connections in previous cases going back to 2008?

]]> By: gbuddha2012 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/01/10/the-radical-right-responds-to-the-tucson-shootings/comment-page-2/#comment-234309 gbuddha2012 Sun, 16 Jan 2011 21:59:39 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=5452#comment-234309 If you got time do a google of "republican serial killers" --- seems that 70-80% of serial killers are conservative republicans ie ted bundy, dahmer... notable exception john wayne gacey --- take it for what its worth If you got time do a google of “republican serial killers” — seems that 70-80% of serial killers are conservative republicans ie ted bundy, dahmer… notable exception john wayne gacey — take it for what its worth

]]> By: gbuddha2012 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/01/10/the-radical-right-responds-to-the-tucson-shootings/comment-page-2/#comment-234303 gbuddha2012 Sun, 16 Jan 2011 21:48:22 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=5452#comment-234303 here's some math... weather underground (1), black panthers (15), ted kaczynski - amorphous politics (3), radical alf (3)?, assorted anarchists and marxist leninist extremists (6), --- that's about it for the last 100 yrs here’s some math… weather underground (1), black panthers (15), ted kaczynski – amorphous politics (3), radical alf (3)?, assorted anarchists and marxist leninist extremists (6), — that’s about it for the last 100 yrs

]]> By: gbuddha2012 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/01/10/the-radical-right-responds-to-the-tucson-shootings/comment-page-2/#comment-234275 gbuddha2012 Sun, 16 Jan 2011 21:10:45 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=5452#comment-234275 tim mcveigh and terry nichols alone killed 168 americans... 10X more than all leftwing assassins in the last 100 yrs --- time to inhale some truth tim mcveigh and terry nichols alone killed 168 americans… 10X more than all leftwing assassins in the last 100 yrs — time to inhale some truth

]]> By: gbuddha2012 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/01/10/the-radical-right-responds-to-the-tucson-shootings/comment-page-2/#comment-234271 gbuddha2012 Sun, 16 Jan 2011 21:05:09 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=5452#comment-234271 the figure of loughner that is emerging is of a libertarian/anti-communist... that went off the deep end the figure of loughner that is emerging is of a libertarian/anti-communist… that went off the deep end

]]> By: gbuddha2012 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/01/10/the-radical-right-responds-to-the-tucson-shootings/comment-page-2/#comment-234269 gbuddha2012 Sun, 16 Jan 2011 21:00:41 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=5452#comment-234269 you fail to mention the guy in the audience was a twice shoot survivor of loughner's massacre... someone shoots me twice and you bet the next guy i meet talking shit gets a piece of my mind you fail to mention the guy in the audience was a twice shoot survivor of loughner’s massacre… someone shoots me twice and you bet the next guy i meet talking shit gets a piece of my mind

]]> By: Leslie http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/01/10/the-radical-right-responds-to-the-tucson-shootings/comment-page-2/#comment-234261 Leslie Sun, 16 Jan 2011 20:46:46 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=5452#comment-234261 So Loughner is just a lone nut but the guy that yelled at Trent Humphries represents the entire left wing? Why can't he be just a random crazy person too? So Loughner is just a lone nut but the guy that yelled at Trent Humphries represents the entire left wing? Why can’t he be just a random crazy person too?

]]> By: Guardian http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/01/10/the-radical-right-responds-to-the-tucson-shootings/comment-page-2/#comment-234169 Guardian Sun, 16 Jan 2011 16:41:17 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=5452#comment-234169 Serious Ed! Jim Hoft? A political Blog Head, and an unnamed right wing media? Let me help you out. Facebook entries and evidence found at Loughner's house and on his own computer like his obsession with Adolf Hitler's Mein Kampf are FACTS not opinions. Another fact that you obviously missed is the incident at the town hall meeting where Trent Humphries, Tea Party Leader, was threatened by a member of the audience, shouting "Trent Humphries, you're dead!" Obviously someone with no common sense and unable draw any reasonable conclusions of their own, who has bought into the left wing demonization of the right. It is obvious the left wing holds the record for violence in this country. Or Sheriff Dupnik's accusation that Arizona's immigration control is to blame. Yea, I'm sure immigration reform was on the top of Loughner worry list. The problem the country has with the left wing is instead of taking responsibility for their actions, they just seek to discredit those who stand against their views; like a lawyer who has all but lost the case and the only angle he has left is to discredit the witnesses. Well I'm happy to say the jury is on to your tactics, and justice is prevailing, as was evidenced in the last mid-term election. Ouch! Serious Ed!
Jim Hoft? A political Blog Head, and an unnamed right wing media?
Let me help you out. Facebook entries and evidence found at Loughner’s house and on his own computer like his obsession with Adolf Hitler’s Mein Kampf are FACTS not opinions.
Another fact that you obviously missed is the incident at the town hall meeting where Trent Humphries, Tea Party Leader, was threatened by a member of the audience, shouting “Trent Humphries, you’re dead!” Obviously someone with no common sense and unable draw any reasonable conclusions of their own, who has bought into the left wing demonization of the right. It is obvious the left wing holds the record for violence in this country.
Or Sheriff Dupnik’s accusation that Arizona’s immigration control is to blame. Yea, I’m sure immigration reform was on the top of Loughner worry list.
The problem the country has with the left wing is instead of taking responsibility for their actions, they just seek to discredit those who stand against their views; like a lawyer who has all but lost the case and the only angle he has left is to discredit the witnesses.
Well I’m happy to say the jury is on to your tactics, and justice is prevailing, as was evidenced in the last mid-term election. Ouch!

]]> By: Swampcat http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/01/10/the-radical-right-responds-to-the-tucson-shootings/comment-page-1/#comment-234144 Swampcat Sun, 16 Jan 2011 15:44:52 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=5452#comment-234144 I have to admit the SPLC does an excellent job of developing opinions, pointing fingers, and pushing agendas; sometimes they don't wait for evidence, and sometimes they can perpetrate a farce despite evidence that is contrary to the leftist prefabricated opinion. I have to admit the SPLC does an excellent job of developing opinions, pointing fingers, and pushing agendas; sometimes they don’t wait for evidence, and sometimes they can perpetrate a farce despite evidence that is contrary to the leftist prefabricated opinion.

]]> By: skinnyminny http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/01/10/the-radical-right-responds-to-the-tucson-shootings/comment-page-1/#comment-233791 skinnyminny Sat, 15 Jan 2011 23:33:41 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=5452#comment-233791 Hunter, Agree 110%. As as added note, they air Rush Limbaugh on KFI, the Tim Conway Jr. show continues to have the shows "what is Jesse Jackson saying." Hardly no mention in the media about the student living in the on-campus dorm of Cal State U. Northridge that had a shotgun and other stuff in his room just 2 weeks ago. After family was concerned, officials did a welfare check on this student, and he was immediately held for a 72-hour involuntary psych evaluation. What's interesting about this, this guy lived on-campus, and it was nearly hush-hush news. Hunter,
Agree 110%. As as added note, they air Rush Limbaugh on KFI, the Tim Conway Jr. show continues to have the shows “what is Jesse Jackson saying.” Hardly no mention in the media about the student living in the on-campus dorm of Cal State U. Northridge that had a shotgun and other stuff in his room just 2 weeks ago. After family was concerned, officials did a welfare check on this student, and he was immediately held for a 72-hour involuntary psych evaluation.

What’s interesting about this, this guy lived on-campus, and it was nearly hush-hush news.

]]> By: Jonathan http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/01/10/the-radical-right-responds-to-the-tucson-shootings/comment-page-1/#comment-233674 Jonathan Sat, 15 Jan 2011 18:56:54 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=5452#comment-233674 President Obama's address in Tucson really puts things in perspective. No one can add a word or phrase to that to make it better than it is. President Obama’s address in Tucson really puts things in perspective. No one can add a word or phrase to that to make it better than it is.

]]> By: Hunter http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/01/10/the-radical-right-responds-to-the-tucson-shootings/comment-page-1/#comment-233283 Hunter Sat, 15 Jan 2011 01:32:59 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=5452#comment-233283 KFI is fascist radio KFI is fascist radio

]]> By: Hunter http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/01/10/the-radical-right-responds-to-the-tucson-shootings/comment-page-1/#comment-233282 Hunter Sat, 15 Jan 2011 01:32:23 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=5452#comment-233282 John and Ken are highly paid "advocates" for the rich and connected. They regularly insult and lash out at teachers, nurses, local, state and federal public servants and immigrants to shift the blame from the greedy and selfish, who have contributed to the recent calamities that have befallen our country. Those who are educated and not influenced by cheaply conceived airway propaganda know that it was the economic policies of greed that have led to the recent disruption of our economy. Instead of calling out the corporations and Wall Street, they work to deflect blame on those that have no connection to the corruption and collective rip-off of the American people. They are anti-labor, and would have you believe that it is the fault of those who loyally and earnestly work for a living to earn meager pensions as the root of our problems. Obviously they are paid enough by Clearchannel Radio to shamelessly sell out their neighbors and friends, while they and their ilk serve their corporate masters, hawking goods(Cadillacs)and services(gold purchasers and peddlers) for their sponsors. John and Ken tirelessly work to ensure that they and their greedy pals don't have to pay their fair share of taxes that are vital for maintaining our society. They're not concerned of course, as long as their corner of Southern California is working out fine for them and their respective families. They don't care about California--neither is even from this state, yet they are permitted to project their twisted views upon the ignorant, emotional and predisposed(stupid) on a daily basis. John and Ken are highly paid “advocates” for the rich and connected. They regularly insult and lash out at teachers, nurses, local, state and federal public servants and immigrants to shift the blame from the greedy and selfish, who have contributed to the recent calamities that have befallen our country. Those who are educated and not influenced by cheaply conceived airway propaganda know that it was the economic policies of greed that have led to the recent disruption of our economy. Instead of calling out the corporations and Wall Street, they work to deflect blame on those that have no connection to the corruption and collective rip-off of the American people. They are anti-labor, and would have you believe that it is the fault of those who loyally and earnestly work for a living to earn meager pensions as the root of our problems. Obviously they are paid enough by Clearchannel Radio to shamelessly sell out their neighbors and friends, while they and their ilk serve their corporate masters, hawking goods(Cadillacs)and services(gold purchasers and peddlers) for their sponsors. John and Ken tirelessly work to ensure that they and their greedy pals don’t have to pay their fair share of taxes that are vital for maintaining our society. They’re not concerned of course, as long as their corner of Southern California is working out fine for them and their respective families. They don’t care about California–neither is even from this state, yet they are permitted to project their twisted views upon the ignorant, emotional and predisposed(stupid) on a daily basis.

]]> By: Ed Weston http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/01/10/the-radical-right-responds-to-the-tucson-shootings/comment-page-1/#comment-233245 Ed Weston Fri, 14 Jan 2011 23:49:01 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=5452#comment-233245 And another. http://mediamatters.org/research/201101100008 Given wingnut rhetorical methods I'm familiar with, this will do nothing to change your mind as you move the goal posts around. And another. http://mediamatters.org/research/201101100008

Given wingnut rhetorical methods I’m familiar with, this will do nothing to change your mind as you move the goal posts around.

]]> By: Ed Weston http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/01/10/the-radical-right-responds-to-the-tucson-shootings/comment-page-1/#comment-233243 Ed Weston Fri, 14 Jan 2011 23:44:16 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=5452#comment-233243 http://mediamatters.org/blog/201101100010 Here's one for you Guardian. http://mediamatters.org/blog/201101100010

Here’s one for you Guardian.

]]> By: michael rochester http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/01/10/the-radical-right-responds-to-the-tucson-shootings/comment-page-1/#comment-233081 michael rochester Fri, 14 Jan 2011 17:15:40 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=5452#comment-233081 Just thought I would add the following t the discussion. It just shows what the thinking of the right in general and the tea party in articular is: Texas: Jewish House Speaker Re-elected Despite Smears Tea Party opponents of Texas State Republican Representative Joe Straus fought unsuccessfully against his re-election to the position of Speaker of the House with an anti-Semitic campaign, FightHatred.com reported Wednesday. The rivals stressed Straus' Judaism, ascribing negative stereotypes to him, while calling on fellow Republicans to place a "true Christian" in the important position. Despite the smear campaign against Straus, his colleagues voted to keep him on as speaker, and he went on to win the house vote. Among the messages circulated against Straus were several by Peter Morrison, who FightHatred.com says is "treasurer of the Hardin County Republican Party and writer for a white supremacist website." Morrison reportedly alleged that Straus’ rabbi sits on a Planned Parenthood board, and said that the Jewish Straus “clearly lacks the moral compass to be speaker," while pointing out that the rival candidates for Speaker were Christians. The negative messages were sent out in mass emails and in automated phone recordings Straus, 51, represents District 121, which comprises northeastern Bexar County and several surrounding communities. He joined the House after defeating fellow Republican Glenn Scott Starnes in 2005. Straus was first elected Speaker on January 13, 2009. Just thought I would add the following t the discussion. It just shows what the thinking of the right in general and the tea party in articular is:
Texas: Jewish House Speaker Re-elected Despite Smears

Tea Party opponents of Texas State Republican Representative Joe Straus fought unsuccessfully against his re-election to the position of Speaker of the House with an anti-Semitic campaign, FightHatred.com reported Wednesday.
The rivals stressed Straus’ Judaism, ascribing negative stereotypes to him, while calling on fellow Republicans to place a “true Christian” in the important position. Despite the smear campaign against Straus, his colleagues voted to keep him on as speaker, and he went on to win the house vote.
Among the messages circulated against Straus were several by Peter Morrison, who FightHatred.com says is “treasurer of the Hardin County Republican Party and writer for a white supremacist website.” Morrison reportedly alleged that Straus’ rabbi sits on a Planned Parenthood board, and said that the Jewish Straus “clearly lacks the moral compass to be speaker,” while pointing out that the rival candidates for Speaker were Christians.
The negative messages were sent out in mass emails and in automated phone recordings
Straus, 51, represents District 121, which comprises northeastern Bexar County and several surrounding communities. He joined the House after defeating fellow Republican Glenn Scott Starnes in 2005. Straus was first elected Speaker on January 13, 2009.

]]> By: Jonathan http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/01/10/the-radical-right-responds-to-the-tucson-shootings/comment-page-1/#comment-232974 Jonathan Fri, 14 Jan 2011 13:21:16 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=5452#comment-232974 I consider myself lucky and blessed to be living outside the continental United States. Things seem to be just too crazy there. It seems to be only a matter of time before America goes completely under-water, following in Rome's footsteps. I consider myself lucky and blessed to be living outside the continental United States. Things seem to be just too crazy there. It seems to be only a matter of time before America goes completely under-water, following in Rome’s footsteps.

]]> By: nash984954 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/01/10/the-radical-right-responds-to-the-tucson-shootings/comment-page-1/#comment-232827 nash984954 Fri, 14 Jan 2011 08:18:07 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=5452#comment-232827 Stephenvw and Jerry Brandt, 2 peas in a pod. Pod people as it were, like the body snatchers movie; conservatives are afraid of being taken over by reason and logic, so they use misinformation and hyperbole and gun fantasies of taking people out. Oh, and J Carlson, I hear what you say, but then why didn't the guy go after a Republican? He targeted a Democrat for which the imagery of gun violence perpetuated by the right wing and FOX noise. So I disagree, the right wing rhetoric really is suspect in this case. I have not heard any lefties demonstrate a penchant for fantasies of taking out political opponents by putting them in the crosshairs as targets and threatening 2nd amendment remedies if elections don't give you what you want at the ballot box. But, Oh wait the Republicans are expert at doing this. Stephenvw and Jerry Brandt, 2 peas in a pod. Pod people as it were, like the body snatchers movie; conservatives are afraid of being taken over by reason and logic, so they use misinformation and hyperbole and gun fantasies of taking people out.
Oh, and J Carlson, I hear what you say, but then why didn’t the guy go after a Republican? He targeted a Democrat for which the imagery of gun violence perpetuated by the right wing and FOX noise. So I disagree, the right wing rhetoric really is suspect in this case.
I have not heard any lefties demonstrate a penchant for fantasies of taking out political opponents by putting them in the crosshairs as targets and threatening 2nd amendment remedies if elections don’t give you what you want at the ballot box. But, Oh wait the Republicans are expert at doing this.

]]> By: Ruslan Amirkhanov http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/01/10/the-radical-right-responds-to-the-tucson-shootings/comment-page-1/#comment-232809 Ruslan Amirkhanov Fri, 14 Jan 2011 07:38:05 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=5452#comment-232809 "An example of this is when the Soviets took over East Germany they incorporated the Gestapo into their secret police system." Incorrect. Unlike in West Germany, the Soviets prosecuted and executed ex-Nazis with far more tenacity. Ex-Nazi intelligence agents mostly wound up in the Gehlen spy ring organized by the west. Nice try though. “An example of this is when the Soviets took over East Germany they incorporated the Gestapo into their secret police system.”

Incorrect. Unlike in West Germany, the Soviets prosecuted and executed ex-Nazis with far more tenacity. Ex-Nazi intelligence agents mostly wound up in the Gehlen spy ring organized by the west.

Nice try though.

]]> By: Guardian http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/01/10/the-radical-right-responds-to-the-tucson-shootings/comment-page-1/#comment-232796 Guardian Fri, 14 Jan 2011 06:48:08 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=5452#comment-232796 I challenge anyone to name even one conservative political figure that has lowered theirself to use this tragedy as a way to place blame on anyone but Jared Loughner. The death threats toward Sarah Palin are pouring in so fast you'd think she pulled the trigger herself. Remember "If they bring a knife, we'll bring a gun" "get in there face and argue with them" "republicans can come along for the ride, but they have to sit in the back" "come to New York Bit**, and say those things" All left wing public figures. Yea, the truth does hurt doesn't it? I challenge anyone to name even one conservative political figure that has lowered theirself to use this tragedy as a way to place blame on anyone but Jared Loughner.
The death threats toward Sarah Palin are pouring in so fast you’d think she pulled the trigger herself.
Remember “If they bring a knife, we’ll bring a gun” “get in there face and argue with them” “republicans can come along for the ride, but they have to sit in the back” “come to New York Bit**, and say those things” All left wing public figures. Yea, the truth does hurt doesn’t it?

]]> By: J Carlson http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/01/10/the-radical-right-responds-to-the-tucson-shootings/comment-page-1/#comment-232688 J Carlson Fri, 14 Jan 2011 01:47:17 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=5452#comment-232688 Fascinating stuff - keep it coming! Of course, there is no way to prove the gunman in the Giffords case was influenced by talk radio, the radical right or any other outlet. Did the constant drumbeat of "socialist" and "leftist traitors" help? No, but of course there is no way to prove a cause-and-effect connection - at least not in a way that doesn't invite rebuttal - so we leftists need to let it go. It's a tragedy, of course; and, whatever the cause, I hope we find and eradicate it eventually. I'm thinking thorazine and involuntary commitments would be a good start. Peace. Fascinating stuff – keep it coming!

Of course, there is no way to prove the gunman in the Giffords case was influenced by talk radio, the radical right or any other outlet.

Did the constant drumbeat of “socialist” and “leftist traitors” help? No, but of course there is no way to prove a cause-and-effect connection – at least not in a way that doesn’t invite rebuttal – so we leftists need to let it go.

It’s a tragedy, of course; and, whatever the cause, I hope we find and eradicate it eventually. I’m thinking thorazine and involuntary commitments would be a good start.

Peace.

]]> By: skinnyminny http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/01/10/the-radical-right-responds-to-the-tucson-shootings/comment-page-1/#comment-232657 skinnyminny Fri, 14 Jan 2011 00:33:54 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=5452#comment-232657 TimFromLA, You're right! We don't like guns. But, in this case, since the rightwing is running the show, we are letting the gun issues/rights play itself out. Let me explain what I mean by this, this happens every time with rightwing politics. It will take members of Law Enforcement to lead this cause. Why do I say Law Enforcement? Everytime we have the cycles of promoting guns, it's our Law Enforcement that find they don't have the equipment to deal with what's out there in the streets. With rightwingers cutting budgets (also a repeat of history), Law Enforcement don't have the money to purchase newer equipment, so they end up making gunowners pay/register...certain ones. In the meantime, it's good for business (something rightwingers love - revenues). TimFromLA,
You’re right! We don’t like guns. But, in this case, since the rightwing is running the show, we are letting the gun issues/rights play itself out. Let me explain what I mean by this, this happens every time with rightwing politics. It will take members of Law Enforcement to lead this cause. Why do I say Law Enforcement? Everytime we have the cycles of promoting guns, it’s our Law Enforcement that find they don’t have the equipment to deal with what’s out there in the streets. With rightwingers cutting budgets (also a repeat of history), Law Enforcement don’t have the money to purchase newer equipment, so they end up making gunowners pay/register…certain ones. In the meantime, it’s good for business (something rightwingers love – revenues).

]]> By: Ed Weston http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/01/10/the-radical-right-responds-to-the-tucson-shootings/comment-page-1/#comment-232627 Ed Weston Thu, 13 Jan 2011 23:05:33 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=5452#comment-232627 I don't see any loud rightwing voice that shows any familiarity with actual liberals. Leftwing views are not allowed over nearly all of the rightwing blogoshere. Most of the liberal/progressive sites I go to allow an open discussion from all sides . I don't really see any I've had posting exchanges with, I've been doing so regularly for over four years, ever having conversations with actual living liberals. None I know hold the views that make up so much of the rightwing rhetoric about liberals. I don’t see any loud rightwing voice that shows any familiarity with actual liberals.
Leftwing views are not allowed over nearly all of the rightwing blogoshere. Most of the liberal/progressive sites I go to allow an open discussion from all sides .
I don’t really see any I’ve had posting exchanges with, I’ve been doing so regularly for over four years, ever having conversations with actual living liberals. None I know hold the views that make up so much of the rightwing rhetoric about liberals.

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