Comments on: Hi, I’m a Sovereign Citizen! – Group to Write Letters to Police http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/01/20/hi-im-a-sovereign-citizen-group-to-write-letters-to-police/ Hatewatch is a blog of the Southern Poverty Law Center Mon, 20 May 2013 23:01:27 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Madnez http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/01/20/hi-im-a-sovereign-citizen-group-to-write-letters-to-police/comment-page-1/#comment-1516028 Madnez Sun, 03 Feb 2013 00:36:33 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=5550#comment-1516028 Hey gamechanger I agree with you about the people that are posting unresearched remarks, but remember that,that is how good they've been groomed to be sheep or cattle(aka.slaves). Anyways I was wondering about who can I speak to in socal to get more in depth information . I too, believe and tired of a government that lies blatantly to its people using the media and strongarming it's people. Most of us have been indoctrinated to believe one thing. So if you could help me out . Much appreciated Thanks P.S. This nation was born of rebellion when you have stop rebelling and stand up for your GOD giving rights you have ceased to be AMERICAN! Hey gamechanger I agree with you about the people that are posting unresearched remarks, but remember that,that is how good they’ve been groomed to be sheep or cattle(aka.slaves). Anyways I was wondering about who can I speak to in socal to get more in depth information . I too, believe and tired of a government that lies blatantly to its people using the media and strongarming it’s people. Most of us have been indoctrinated to believe one thing. So if you could help me out . Much appreciated
Thanks
P.S. This nation was born of rebellion
when you have stop rebelling and stand up for your GOD giving rights you have ceased to be AMERICAN!

]]> By: gamechanger http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/01/20/hi-im-a-sovereign-citizen-group-to-write-letters-to-police/comment-page-1/#comment-583793 gamechanger Wed, 05 Sep 2012 15:05:10 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=5550#comment-583793 I love how people that are against the Soverign Movement tell others to do research when in fact they should be doing the research. You people peg the soverigns as out of there minds but infact you are the ones out of your minds. The government has been screwing us since 1933 when we let the reserve print fake money with nothing to back it. Then they created a collection agency (IRS) to collect debt from us that was based on life expectency and average work income. Now isnt it funny that the Federal Reserve and the IRS are not part of the federal government? We didnt use brith certificates untill 1933 and it wasent to keep track of the number of citizens thats what the census does so why do we need them? Oh thats right the government issues us a BC because we are used as collateral for the loans the feds gave the US and if you guys spent more time educating yourself instead of calling people crazy you would know this. Oh and another quick fact for the idiot that was talking about bill of rights and the roads. Listen asshole we have those rights and they can never be taken away even if you dont pay taxes you idiot oh and obviously you have no idea about the regan administration investagating where the tax dollars go. Well genius the anawer is that not one cent of the IRS tax dollars go to anything but the NATIONAL DEBT. All your road money and infrastructure is payed by state taxes you dumbass but it all goes back to doing research because if you guys are talking shit you should already know this I love how people that are against the Soverign Movement tell others to do research when in fact they should be doing the research. You people peg the soverigns as out of there minds but infact you are the ones out of your minds. The government has been screwing us since 1933 when we let the reserve print fake money with nothing to back it. Then they created a collection agency (IRS) to collect debt from us that was based on life expectency and average work income. Now isnt it funny that the Federal Reserve and the IRS are not part of the federal government? We didnt use brith certificates untill 1933 and it wasent to keep track of the number of citizens thats what the census does so why do we need them? Oh thats right the government issues us a BC because we are used as collateral for the loans the feds gave the US and if you guys spent more time educating yourself instead of calling people crazy you would know this. Oh and another quick fact for the idiot that was talking about bill of rights and the roads. Listen asshole we have those rights and they can never be taken away even if you dont pay taxes you idiot oh and obviously you have no idea about the regan administration investagating where the tax dollars go. Well genius the anawer is that not one cent of the IRS tax dollars go to anything but the NATIONAL DEBT. All your road money and infrastructure is payed by state taxes you dumbass but it all goes back to doing research because if you guys are talking shit you should already know this

]]> By: wtigers http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/01/20/hi-im-a-sovereign-citizen-group-to-write-letters-to-police/comment-page-1/#comment-501890 wtigers Fri, 13 Jul 2012 17:25:11 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=5550#comment-501890 As many great points as there are uneducated mumbo jumbo. Being Sovereign has little to do with paying taxes. If you are truly interested in this subject you should do your research, and learn that mainly "Sovereign Citizens" are trying to protect their constitutional rights. That is all! Over the years the US government has slowly taken them away, and if something is not done, if the masses do not cooperate they will, in fact, take them all away. In effect making us all slaves to the company that is run by a bunch of hypocrites. As many great points as there are uneducated mumbo jumbo. Being Sovereign has little to do with paying taxes. If you are truly interested in this subject you should do your research, and learn that mainly “Sovereign Citizens” are trying to protect their constitutional rights. That is all! Over the years the US government has slowly taken them away, and if something is not done, if the masses do not cooperate they will, in fact, take them all away. In effect making us all slaves to the company that is run by a bunch of hypocrites.

]]> By: harleyryder1966 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/01/20/hi-im-a-sovereign-citizen-group-to-write-letters-to-police/comment-page-1/#comment-299314 harleyryder1966 Wed, 15 Jun 2011 02:48:49 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=5550#comment-299314 well, Ive read everyone's comments and can appreciate everyone's views on the subject, and i can tell you that Ive never felt so free in my entire life! one thing for everyone to remember is that i'm no longer a loan number and my money goes straight to my family for food and bills instead of government waste and lending! You would be surprised how many government officials are on board now! well, Ive read everyone’s comments and can appreciate everyone’s views on the subject, and i can tell you that Ive never felt so free in my entire life! one thing for everyone to remember is that i’m no longer a loan number and my money goes straight to my family for food and bills instead of government waste and lending! You would be surprised how many government officials are on board now!

]]> By: warp9p65 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/01/20/hi-im-a-sovereign-citizen-group-to-write-letters-to-police/comment-page-1/#comment-259976 warp9p65 Tue, 08 Mar 2011 03:38:03 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=5550#comment-259976 I always found it interesting that these so-called "Sovereign Citizens" do not want to pay taxes, do not want to acknowledge the duly constituted authority of any bona fide government, do not believe they should be required to have driver licenses, vehicle registrations, or insurance, yet they want to make full use of all the rights and benefits that true citizens of the U.S. have. These include protections offered in the bill of rights, the use of public roadways (that they don't think they should have to pay taxes toward), the postal service, and the list goes on and on. They're a bunch of hypocrites and irrational loons. I always found it interesting that these so-called “Sovereign Citizens” do not want to pay taxes, do not want to acknowledge the duly constituted authority of any bona fide government, do not believe they should be required to have driver licenses, vehicle registrations, or insurance, yet they want to make full use of all the rights and benefits that true citizens of the U.S. have. These include protections offered in the bill of rights, the use of public roadways (that they don’t think they should have to pay taxes toward), the postal service, and the list goes on and on. They’re a bunch of hypocrites and irrational loons.

]]> By: jgt2598 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/01/20/hi-im-a-sovereign-citizen-group-to-write-letters-to-police/comment-page-1/#comment-245591 jgt2598 Sun, 06 Feb 2011 22:43:32 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=5550#comment-245591 I interned at a congressman's district office once, and let me just say that it was an unusual day when we didn't get at least five calls from crazy people, this is even worse for the police so I doubt the police mail room would even notice a tiny fluctuation in the (undoubtedly already vast) amount of crazy conspiracy mail. I interned at a congressman’s district office once, and let me just say that it was an unusual day when we didn’t get at least five calls from crazy people, this is even worse for the police so I doubt the police mail room would even notice a tiny fluctuation in the (undoubtedly already vast) amount of crazy conspiracy mail.

]]> By: gbuddha2012 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/01/20/hi-im-a-sovereign-citizen-group-to-write-letters-to-police/comment-page-1/#comment-240328 gbuddha2012 Thu, 27 Jan 2011 17:57:56 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=5550#comment-240328 At one time these guys were more dangerous to themselves than anyone else, but mc veigh showed us all how lethal one or two people could be. Frivolous liens and lawsuits can very easily turn into much more. At one time these guys were more dangerous to themselves than anyone else, but mc veigh showed us all how lethal one or two people could be. Frivolous liens and lawsuits can very easily turn into much more.

]]> By: Ruslan Amirkhanov http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/01/20/hi-im-a-sovereign-citizen-group-to-write-letters-to-police/comment-page-1/#comment-238640 Ruslan Amirkhanov Mon, 24 Jan 2011 15:11:42 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=5550#comment-238640 Oh you did "in-depth research"? Then I'm sure you won't mind showing your sources. Oh you did “in-depth research”? Then I’m sure you won’t mind showing your sources.

]]> By: Slim Jim http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/01/20/hi-im-a-sovereign-citizen-group-to-write-letters-to-police/comment-page-1/#comment-238505 Slim Jim Mon, 24 Jan 2011 09:36:18 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=5550#comment-238505 I have done the in-depth research It takes to find the truth about our government being a corporation and yes it is. This took place in 1871 under the charter of the District Of Columbia. This put the United States subservient to European banks as a result of their "bailout" for the nation under eminent default on it's loans. So in part, Turner has it right. So I must say us leftist should do our research before we start flapping our lips, least we may look like a bunch of uneducated lunitics. I have done the in-depth research It takes to find the truth about our government being a corporation and yes it is. This took place in 1871 under the charter of the District Of Columbia. This put the United States subservient to European banks as a result of their “bailout” for the nation under eminent default on it’s loans. So in part, Turner has it right. So I must say us leftist should do our research before we start flapping our lips, least we may look like a bunch of uneducated lunitics.

]]> By: La Piovra http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/01/20/hi-im-a-sovereign-citizen-group-to-write-letters-to-police/comment-page-1/#comment-237921 La Piovra Sun, 23 Jan 2011 05:12:00 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=5550#comment-237921 In a republic, the citizens jointly are "the sovereign", and the officials they elect to enact and enforce their laws, ratify their treaties, and fill the appointive posts, are servants of this joint sovereign. A fellow who proclaims himself "THE sovereign", not bound by the laws of the joint sovereign, is thumbing his nose at the sovereign rest of us: i.e., he thinks he is bigger than three million people. Tell the "sovereign citizens" to chew on that one! In a republic, the citizens jointly are “the sovereign”, and the officials they elect to enact and enforce their laws, ratify their treaties, and fill the appointive posts, are servants of this joint sovereign. A fellow who proclaims himself “THE sovereign”, not bound by the laws of the joint sovereign, is thumbing his nose at the sovereign rest of us: i.e., he thinks he is bigger than three million people. Tell the “sovereign citizens” to chew on that one!

]]> By: IludiumPhosdex http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/01/20/hi-im-a-sovereign-citizen-group-to-write-letters-to-police/comment-page-1/#comment-237110 IludiumPhosdex Fri, 21 Jan 2011 18:47:53 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=5550#comment-237110 If you ask me, police mailroom staff can expect to deal with what is essentially "harrassment by proxy" serving only to divert staff from pressing or otherwise important cases for purely warped "sovereign citizenship" purposes. (As for the proxy, consider the "action alert" allowing the mailbombing to take that form.) If you ask me, police mailroom staff can expect to deal with what is essentially “harrassment by proxy” serving only to divert staff from pressing or otherwise important cases for purely warped “sovereign citizenship” purposes.

(As for the proxy, consider the “action alert” allowing the mailbombing to take that form.)

]]> By: Jonas Rand http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/01/20/hi-im-a-sovereign-citizen-group-to-write-letters-to-police/comment-page-1/#comment-236700 Jonas Rand Fri, 21 Jan 2011 03:15:50 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=5550#comment-236700 It seems to me that "Sovereign Citizens" is more a tax-evasion-guide scam than a political movement, a way for opportunists to take advantage of people who pay for some supposed "secrets" to tax evasion. Then, after the sucker buys a few manuals at a seminar from one of these hack gurus, they will be required to pay the IRS or go to jail for this idiocy. Surely there is an element of supremacy; i.e. the black 'sovereigns' feel that the "Afrikan" is superior to the "White devil", and the white 'sovereigns' feel that they are sovereign to the "mud people", but this hateful rhetoric does not make them "sovereigns". It seems to me that “Sovereign Citizens” is more a tax-evasion-guide scam than a political movement, a way for opportunists to take advantage of people who pay for some supposed “secrets” to tax evasion. Then, after the sucker buys a few manuals at a seminar from one of these hack gurus, they will be required to pay the IRS or go to jail for this idiocy. Surely there is an element of supremacy; i.e. the black ’sovereigns’ feel that the “Afrikan” is superior to the “White devil”, and the white ’sovereigns’ feel that they are sovereign to the “mud people”, but this hateful rhetoric does not make them “sovereigns”.

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