Comments on: Ron Paul Invites Neo-Confederate Witness to Testify in Congress http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/02/09/ron-paul-invites-witness-with-neo-confederate-ties-to-testify-in-congress/ Hatewatch is a blog of the Southern Poverty Law Center Thu, 23 May 2013 22:03:43 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: johnq http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/02/09/ron-paul-invites-witness-with-neo-confederate-ties-to-testify-in-congress/comment-page-2/#comment-385619 johnq Mon, 16 Jan 2012 16:13:32 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=5739#comment-385619 ON FEBRUARY 10TH, 2011 AT 4:43 PM Thank you, SPLC, for shining the light on these bigoted knuckleheads, Lew Rockwell, Thomas DiLorenzo and (sadly) Ron Paul. In spirit, if not in fact, they are all comrade-in-arms with George Lincoln Rockwell (1918-1967), founder of the American Nazi Party, who I had the stomach-churning experience of witnessing spew his hate speech in 1966. We must continue to expose these sneaky bigots. Yet, Dick couldn't prove what he said with a shred of evidence. Color me shocked! ON FEBRUARY 10TH, 2011 AT 4:43 PM
Thank you, SPLC, for shining the light on these bigoted knuckleheads, Lew Rockwell, Thomas DiLorenzo and (sadly) Ron Paul. In spirit, if not in fact, they are all comrade-in-arms with George Lincoln Rockwell (1918-1967), founder of the American Nazi Party, who I had the stomach-churning experience of witnessing spew his hate speech in 1966. We must continue to expose these sneaky bigots.

Yet, Dick couldn’t prove what he said with a shred of evidence.
Color me shocked!

]]> By: johnq http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/02/09/ron-paul-invites-witness-with-neo-confederate-ties-to-testify-in-congress/comment-page-2/#comment-385618 johnq Mon, 16 Jan 2012 16:12:45 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=5739#comment-385618 >He needs to be targeted, not his stooges. Obama would be so upset with you for using the word target. WHat happened to civility. >He needs to be targeted, not his stooges.

Obama would be so upset with you for using the word target. WHat happened to civility.

]]> By: Ray Martinez http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/02/09/ron-paul-invites-witness-with-neo-confederate-ties-to-testify-in-congress/comment-page-2/#comment-372014 Ray Martinez Fri, 30 Dec 2011 23:26:15 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=5739#comment-372014 I attended college with Tom (Westminster College, New Wilmington, PA). Back then he was our fraternity president (Theta Chi) and our fraternity was the only one on campus to have "minorities" as members (in the mid-seventies). Not sure what has happened between then and now. I attended college with Tom (Westminster College, New Wilmington, PA). Back then he was our fraternity president (Theta Chi) and our fraternity was the only one on campus to have “minorities” as members (in the mid-seventies). Not sure what has happened between then and now.

]]> By: Tom Jantz http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/02/09/ron-paul-invites-witness-with-neo-confederate-ties-to-testify-in-congress/comment-page-2/#comment-289275 Tom Jantz Sat, 14 May 2011 00:12:48 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=5739#comment-289275 Greetings! I have read with interest all of the letters people have written on the causes of the Civil War. There is so much anger in most of these letters and even name calling, very upsetting. I have written many letters on the subject that can be found by typing in "Thomas Jantz, Confederacy". When people join organizations they seem to lose their identity as an individual and all the people in that organization are lumped together as if they are one person believing exactly the same thing. This applies to political organizations, religions and so forth. It is important to note that most or all of the people writing on this site are not condoning slavery but rather are talking of the particulars of it and who is to blame. The truth is that there is a lot of blame to go around not only in this country but around the world. It seems as though the ''stain'' of slavery has been transferred onto the confederate flag [battle flag] from the American flag. Some people do not want to say that there was slavery under the American flag or for that matter say that all the slave ships had American flags flying over them and that American ships continued in the slave trade even after the practice was outlawed. These northern slave trader brought the slaves to northern ports and then sold them to southern plantation owners for the most part. On our currency [Federal reserve notes in reality] are pictures of American presidents who owned hundreds of slaves, should we condemn them and take their pictures off our currency?no really, I am asking! Slavery was wrong, wrong, wrong and still is, that is what we all need to agree on instead of pointing fingers at people in our history who just happened to live in areas that slavery flourished but had nothing to do with it. A close look at the economic policies enacted before the war will enlighten anybody on a big cause of the war. Many people point to the fact that some southern states stated in their constitutions that ending slavery would ruin their economies and defended the practice and that is why they had to leave the Union. I would be the last person on earth to defend those words but I do not think the answer to ending slavery was an invasion by Northern States where there were also slaves [not as many] and slave owners who owned many plantations in the southern states. Many Northern newspapers knew this and about 300 newspapers were shut down for saying so. Upwards of 40,000 northern people were jailed for speaking out againsed the war and the illegal invasion of the southern states. It is interesting to note that former Pres. Harry S Truman, the man who desegregated the armed forces, was a member of the Sons of Confederate Veterans as is actor Clint Eastwood. Former Pres. Eisenhower always had a picture of Robert E. Lee in his office as President and during world war 2 and refused to take it down. Lets all remember that patriotism should be directed to our fellow Americans, not the Government. The South left the Union with great sadness and regret and adopted a constitution much the same and a flag that was/is so much like the American flag that they had to adopt another flag for the battlefield so as not to confuse the troops fighting . I do not mean to confuse anyone about the flags, please type in Confederate flags for some pictures. I welcome and respect anyone who would like to reply to this letter. We are all Americans. A person can love his or her country and still be a defender of the Confederacy. It is very healthy and patriotic for people to vent their views on this matter, no matter what their opinion is. Hope all is well with everyone in these troubled times. Tom Jantz in Michigan. Greetings! I have read with interest all of the letters people have written on the causes of the Civil War. There is so much anger in most of these letters and even name calling, very upsetting. I have written many letters on the subject that can be found by typing in “Thomas Jantz, Confederacy”. When people join organizations they seem to lose their identity as an individual and all the people in that organization are lumped together as if they are one person believing exactly the same thing. This applies to political organizations, religions and so forth. It is important to note that most or all of the people writing on this site are not condoning slavery but rather are talking of the particulars of it and who is to blame. The truth is that there is a lot of blame to go around not only in this country but around the world. It seems as though the ‘’stain” of slavery has been transferred onto the confederate flag [battle flag] from the American flag. Some people do not want to say that there was slavery under the American flag or for that matter say that all the slave ships had American flags flying over them and that American ships continued in the slave trade even after the practice was outlawed. These northern slave trader brought the slaves to northern ports and then sold them to southern plantation owners for the most part. On our currency [Federal reserve notes in reality] are pictures of American presidents who owned hundreds of slaves, should we condemn them and take their pictures off our currency?no really, I am asking! Slavery was wrong, wrong, wrong and still is, that is what we all need to agree on instead of pointing fingers at people in our history who just happened to live in areas that slavery flourished but had nothing to do with it. A close look at the economic policies enacted before the war will enlighten anybody on a big cause of the war. Many people point to the fact that some southern states stated in their constitutions that ending slavery would ruin their economies and defended the practice and that is why they had to leave the Union. I would be the last person on earth to defend those words but I do not think the answer to ending slavery was an invasion by Northern States where there were also slaves [not as many] and slave owners who owned many plantations in the southern states. Many Northern newspapers knew this and about 300 newspapers were shut down for saying so. Upwards of 40,000 northern people were jailed for speaking out againsed the war and the illegal invasion of the southern states. It is interesting to note that former Pres. Harry S Truman, the man who desegregated the armed forces, was a member of the Sons of Confederate Veterans as is actor Clint Eastwood. Former Pres. Eisenhower always had a picture of Robert E. Lee in his office as President and during world war 2 and refused to take it down. Lets all remember that patriotism should be directed to our fellow Americans, not the Government. The South left the Union with great sadness and regret and adopted a constitution much the same and a flag that was/is so much like the American flag that they had to adopt another flag for the battlefield so as not to confuse the troops fighting . I do not mean to confuse anyone about the flags, please type in Confederate flags for some pictures. I welcome and respect anyone who would like to reply to this letter. We are all Americans. A person can love his or her country and still be a defender of the Confederacy. It is very healthy and patriotic for people to vent their views on this matter, no matter what their opinion is. Hope all is well with everyone in these troubled times. Tom Jantz in Michigan.

]]> By: joe http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/02/09/ron-paul-invites-witness-with-neo-confederate-ties-to-testify-in-congress/comment-page-2/#comment-261017 joe Thu, 10 Mar 2011 04:10:59 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=5739#comment-261017 Ludwig von Mises Institute is nothing more than a "think tank" for the neo-confederate movement. They're very clever and a good example of a wolf in sheep's clothing. If you cut through all their talk about "freedom" it's really nothing more than longing for the good old days before Govt forced the white people to share restrooms and dining facilities with blacks. Last week Ron Paul had no problem voting for oil subsidies. He has often said the Supreme Court has defined the word "liberty" too broadly in the 14th Amendment. It's really hard to take him seriously as a libertarian. The "End the Fed" talk is his claim to fame and an attention getter. He doesn't seem to understand monetary policy or simple things such as inflation. He's fond of saying it takes 20 dollars to purchase what a dollar could purchase in 1913. I suppose people would rather get paid a $1/hour than $20/ hour. some how he forgets that inflation means it costs more for services, not only goods. The hearing itself was quite humorous. Clay's beat down on Delorenzo was wonderful. Check it out if you have an hour to spare. It's on the financial services website. I have it and will probably put the highlights on youtube this week. Ludwig von Mises Institute is nothing more than a “think tank” for the neo-confederate movement. They’re very clever and a good example of a wolf in sheep’s clothing. If you cut through all their talk about “freedom” it’s really nothing more than longing for the good old days before Govt forced the white people to share restrooms and dining facilities with blacks. Last week Ron Paul had no problem voting for oil subsidies. He has often said the Supreme Court has defined the word “liberty” too broadly in the 14th Amendment. It’s really hard to take him seriously as a libertarian. The “End the Fed” talk is his claim to fame and an attention getter. He doesn’t seem to understand monetary policy or simple things such as inflation. He’s fond of saying it takes 20 dollars to purchase what a dollar could purchase in 1913. I suppose people would rather get paid a $1/hour than $20/ hour. some how he forgets that inflation means it costs more for services, not only goods.

The hearing itself was quite humorous. Clay’s beat down on Delorenzo was wonderful. Check it out if you have an hour to spare. It’s on the financial services website. I have it and will probably put the highlights on youtube this week.

]]> By: The Juanster http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/02/09/ron-paul-invites-witness-with-neo-confederate-ties-to-testify-in-congress/comment-page-2/#comment-260617 The Juanster Wed, 09 Mar 2011 11:08:33 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=5739#comment-260617 Also google the founder of the Penal colony of Georgia; Lord Oglethorp and why Ga. was established as a sanctuary for The Convicted Debtors of the British Empire, of whom none were African, and see Coldham's listing of the contents of "Ol Bailey and the rest of London's Gaols. Thjis is the history neither Ron Paul or any of the others of his ilk wishes to be exposed, but Whites were enslaved under harsher conditions and for reasons that Blacks never were. See how Oliver Cromwell treated the Irish and Catholics during the establishment of the Ulster Plantation Also google the founder of the Penal colony of Georgia; Lord Oglethorp and why Ga. was established as a sanctuary for The Convicted Debtors of the British Empire, of whom none were African, and see Coldham’s listing of the contents of “Ol Bailey and the rest of London’s Gaols.
Thjis is the history neither Ron Paul or any of the others of his ilk wishes to be exposed, but Whites were enslaved under harsher conditions and for reasons that Blacks never were. See how Oliver Cromwell treated the Irish and Catholics during the establishment of the Ulster Plantation

]]> By: The Juanster http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/02/09/ron-paul-invites-witness-with-neo-confederate-ties-to-testify-in-congress/comment-page-2/#comment-260614 The Juanster Wed, 09 Mar 2011 10:53:00 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=5739#comment-260614 As I read the Paul article and the many responses to it, I was made aware of the level of denial and lack of knowledge of the intent of the alleged Founding Father's of this nation. The majority of people living today in the U.S. are doing so under the illusion that they have somehow become the posteity of The Founding Fathers, the authors of the Constitution and are required to defend and uphold it when this was never the intended goal of those authors. Unless this is understood, the illusion is self perpetuating. The persons exploited by the group A/K/A We-The-People, the authors of the Constitution, did not include the persons relegated as Slaves, Convicts and Indentured as constituting the group WE-THE-PEOPLE that received Land Patents from the British Crown. The group used as human resources and transported to the British Colonies as Free Labor are listed in the work of Peter Wilson Coldham's work "Emigrants In Chains". When the Preamble to the U.S. Constitution is read from this perspective, the institution of slavery takes on a new meaning. The constituents of the CSA were the descendants of those transported persons fron the British Empire viewed as the dregs of that Elistist Society. None of the current historians has seen fit to explore the question of why the 5% of the the Colony's population felt they had a chance in defeating the Army of the British Empire and the 95% of the resident Loyalists that supported the King's policies, without the aid of that unincluded group of 3/5 types of human resources?? Coldham's books answers these questions. As I read the Paul article and the many responses to it, I was made aware of the level of denial and lack of knowledge of the intent of the alleged Founding Father’s of this nation.
The majority of people living today in the U.S. are doing so under the illusion that they have somehow become the posteity of The Founding Fathers, the authors of the Constitution and are required to defend and uphold it when this was never the intended goal of those authors. Unless this is understood, the illusion is self perpetuating.
The persons exploited by the group A/K/A We-The-People, the authors of the Constitution, did not include the persons relegated as Slaves, Convicts and Indentured as constituting the group WE-THE-PEOPLE that received Land Patents from the British Crown. The group used as human resources and transported to the British Colonies as Free Labor are listed in the work of Peter Wilson Coldham’s work “Emigrants In Chains”. When the Preamble to the U.S. Constitution is read from this perspective, the institution of slavery takes on a new meaning. The constituents of the CSA were the descendants of those transported persons fron the British Empire viewed as the dregs of that Elistist Society. None of the current historians has seen fit to explore the question of why the 5% of the the Colony’s population felt they had a chance in defeating the Army of the British Empire and the 95% of the resident Loyalists that supported the King’s policies, without the aid of that unincluded group of 3/5 types of human resources??
Coldham’s books answers these questions.

]]> By: Jordan http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/02/09/ron-paul-invites-witness-with-neo-confederate-ties-to-testify-in-congress/comment-page-2/#comment-259293 Jordan Sun, 06 Mar 2011 16:28:34 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=5739#comment-259293 jordan, No, the 4th Amendment protects people from forceful searches and seizures without a warrent, if one doesn't take the time to learn their rights than that's their own fault. If one voluntarily incriminates oneself than that is also their own fault, that is why education is important. jordan,
No, the 4th Amendment protects people from forceful searches and seizures without a warrent, if one doesn’t take the time to learn their rights than that’s their own fault. If one voluntarily incriminates oneself than that is also their own fault, that is why education is important.

]]> By: jordan http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/02/09/ron-paul-invites-witness-with-neo-confederate-ties-to-testify-in-congress/comment-page-2/#comment-258128 jordan Thu, 03 Mar 2011 17:12:54 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=5739#comment-258128 freedom/rights/equality I beleive everyone should have equal rights even if they are criminals or even terrorist. I also beleive that freedom is important and everyone should be treated equaly. One kid in my school was pulled over by the police. The police man took advantage of his rights since he did not know them and asked him if he could look in his car without a reason and he let him. do you feel like its a violation of the 4th amendment? freedom/rights/equality
I beleive everyone should have equal rights even if they are criminals or even terrorist. I also beleive that freedom is important and everyone should be treated equaly. One kid in my school was pulled over by the police. The police man took advantage of his rights since he did not know them and asked him if he could look in his car without a reason and he let him. do you feel like its a violation of the 4th amendment?

]]> By: Mitch Beales http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/02/09/ron-paul-invites-witness-with-neo-confederate-ties-to-testify-in-congress/comment-page-2/#comment-253798 Mitch Beales Tue, 22 Feb 2011 17:30:44 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=5739#comment-253798 @Lourie Salley " They wished only to establish a government, with the consent of the governed." Oh really? Did they seek the consent of their slaves? Liar! @Lourie Salley ” They wished only to establish a government, with the consent of the governed.” Oh really? Did they seek the consent of their slaves? Liar!

]]> By: Ruslan Amirkhanov http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/02/09/ron-paul-invites-witness-with-neo-confederate-ties-to-testify-in-congress/comment-page-2/#comment-251786 Ruslan Amirkhanov Fri, 18 Feb 2011 07:52:56 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=5739#comment-251786 "Foe the mental midget that thinks secession is treason, perhaps we should thank the treasonous founding fathers for their treason against the crown." Yes, they committed treason against the crown. And the CSA committed treason against the USA. If you hate America, then go ahead and declare that treason against the US is fine by you. I'm not judging the idea, only the dishonesty of neo-confederates here. “Foe the mental midget that thinks secession is treason, perhaps we should thank the treasonous founding fathers for their treason against the crown.”

Yes, they committed treason against the crown. And the CSA committed treason against the USA. If you hate America, then go ahead and declare that treason against the US is fine by you. I’m not judging the idea, only the dishonesty of neo-confederates here.

]]> By: Mitch Beales http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/02/09/ron-paul-invites-witness-with-neo-confederate-ties-to-testify-in-congress/comment-page-1/#comment-251474 Mitch Beales Thu, 17 Feb 2011 19:42:56 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=5739#comment-251474 The constitution of the United States defines treason very clearly. Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them... The adherents of the CSA levied war against the USA and therefore committed treason. Our founding fathers also were treasonous toward George III which he richly deserved. Fortunately, unlike the "Confederate founding fathers", they weren't a bunch of losers. Had they been I suspect George III would have executed many of them, a fate which far too many of the foundering fathers of the CSA escaped. The constitution of the United States defines treason very clearly.

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them…

The adherents of the CSA levied war against the USA and therefore committed treason. Our founding fathers also were treasonous toward George III which he richly deserved. Fortunately, unlike the “Confederate founding fathers”, they weren’t a bunch of losers. Had they been I suspect George III would have executed many of them, a fate which far too many of the foundering fathers of the CSA escaped.

]]> By: Lourie Salley http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/02/09/ron-paul-invites-witness-with-neo-confederate-ties-to-testify-in-congress/comment-page-1/#comment-251339 Lourie Salley Thu, 17 Feb 2011 14:48:36 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=5739#comment-251339 Foe the mental midget that thinks secession is treason, perhaps we should thank the treasonous founding fathers for their treason against the crown. Like them, our Confederate founding fathers did not wish to overthrow the existing government. They only wished to separate from it. They wished only to establish a government, with the consent of the governed. Self determination is a radical idea. Foe the mental midget that thinks secession is treason, perhaps we should thank the treasonous founding fathers for their treason against the crown. Like them, our Confederate founding fathers did not wish to overthrow the existing government. They only wished to separate from it. They wished only to establish a government, with the consent of the governed. Self determination is a radical idea.

]]> By: Jordan http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/02/09/ron-paul-invites-witness-with-neo-confederate-ties-to-testify-in-congress/comment-page-1/#comment-249041 Jordan Sun, 13 Feb 2011 05:36:09 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=5739#comment-249041 Note to neo-confederates: "Texas Declaration of the Causes of Secession, for example, said plainly that the free states were “proclaiming the debasing doctrine of equality for all men, irrespective of race or color,” and added that blacks were “rightfully held and regarded as an inferior and dependent race.” Alexander Stephens, vice president of the Confederacy, said as much in his infamous 1862 “Cornerstone” speech: “Our new Government is founded on exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery — subordination to the superior race — is his natural and moral condition.” Please explain these, or are these FACTS "wrong"? Note to neo-confederates: “Texas Declaration of the Causes of Secession, for example, said plainly that the free states were “proclaiming the debasing doctrine of equality for all men, irrespective of race or color,” and added that blacks were “rightfully held and regarded as an inferior and dependent race.” Alexander Stephens, vice president of the Confederacy, said as much in his infamous 1862 “Cornerstone” speech: “Our new Government is founded on exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery — subordination to the superior race — is his natural and moral condition.”
Please explain these, or are these FACTS “wrong”?

]]> By: Jordan http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/02/09/ron-paul-invites-witness-with-neo-confederate-ties-to-testify-in-congress/comment-page-1/#comment-249028 Jordan Sun, 13 Feb 2011 04:58:45 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=5739#comment-249028 Just from what I've read in the responses to this blog, I can certainly say that neo-confedarcy is alive and well in the United States. To reiterate: the south seceded from the Union following Lincoln’s victory in the 1860 election because they were worried that he would abolish slavery (though there was no indication that he was planning to do so). The Confederacy had been founded and started taking over Union forts months before Lincoln was EVEN IN OFFICE! No, there is no all good government and the North was as racist as the South, but the Union did not believe in owning human beings. This is similar to how the racist, anti-semetic United States was on the side of the good guys while the racist, anti-semetic Nazis were bad because the latter was in the process of committing genocide while the former was not. And would people quite it with the "(Me/My) ideas aren't racist I (know/have heard of) a [insert person of different ethnicity here])", there were real Jewish Nazis, gay homophobes, and my great-great-greatgrandfather was a black CONFEDERATE, it's called self-hate. Just from what I’ve read in the responses to this blog, I can certainly say that neo-confedarcy is alive and well in the United States. To reiterate: the south seceded from the Union following Lincoln’s victory in the 1860 election because they were worried that he would abolish slavery (though there was no indication that he was planning to do so). The Confederacy had been founded and started taking over Union forts months before Lincoln was EVEN IN OFFICE! No, there is no all good government and the North was as racist as the South, but the Union did not believe in owning human beings. This is similar to how the racist, anti-semetic United States was on the side of the good guys while the racist, anti-semetic Nazis were bad because the latter was in the process of committing genocide while the former was not. And would people quite it with the “(Me/My) ideas aren’t racist I (know/have heard of) a [insert person of different ethnicity here])”, there were real Jewish Nazis, gay homophobes, and my great-great-greatgrandfather was a black CONFEDERATE, it’s called self-hate.

]]> By: Difluoroethane http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/02/09/ron-paul-invites-witness-with-neo-confederate-ties-to-testify-in-congress/comment-page-1/#comment-248987 Difluoroethane Sun, 13 Feb 2011 02:54:16 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=5739#comment-248987 If Paul wins the GOP nomination for president in 2012 (which is starting to look more and more probable now that he has won two CPAC straw polls in a row), you can bet this DiLorenzo episode is going to get brought up again. DiLorenzo, in a weird way, might end up being the best thing that ever happened to Obama, if he ends up losing the election for Paul. If Paul wins the GOP nomination for president in 2012 (which is starting to look more and more probable now that he has won two CPAC straw polls in a row), you can bet this DiLorenzo episode is going to get brought up again. DiLorenzo, in a weird way, might end up being the best thing that ever happened to Obama, if he ends up losing the election for Paul.

]]> By: Bob Fitz http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/02/09/ron-paul-invites-witness-with-neo-confederate-ties-to-testify-in-congress/comment-page-1/#comment-248933 Bob Fitz Sun, 13 Feb 2011 00:21:54 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=5739#comment-248933 What we all need to do is to keep all our eyes on Rep. Ron Paul-R-TX. He's not to be trusted. He's got some closet history locked away too. Why would he invite someone like this racist (DeLORENZO) to speak? Also maybe we need to keep a watch on Both of the Paul's What we all need to do is to keep all our eyes on Rep. Ron Paul-R-TX. He’s not to be trusted. He’s got some closet history locked away too. Why would he invite someone like this racist (DeLORENZO) to speak? Also maybe we need to keep a watch on Both of the Paul’s

]]> By: Sean http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/02/09/ron-paul-invites-witness-with-neo-confederate-ties-to-testify-in-congress/comment-page-1/#comment-248785 Sean Sat, 12 Feb 2011 15:04:15 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=5739#comment-248785 Ron Paul is wrong in this matter. But it is equally wrong for Obama to attend a "prayer breakfast" with "The Family", an organization that supports the religious persecution and murder of gays in Uganda. Ron Paul is wrong in this matter. But it is equally wrong for Obama to attend a “prayer breakfast” with “The Family”, an organization that supports the religious persecution and murder of gays in Uganda.

]]> By: Adam Holland http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/02/09/ron-paul-invites-witness-with-neo-confederate-ties-to-testify-in-congress/comment-page-1/#comment-248527 Adam Holland Fri, 11 Feb 2011 23:11:54 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=5739#comment-248527 How does DeLorenzo explain his 2008 appearance on a racist radio program? http://www.thepoliticalcesspool.org/jamesedwards/2008/11/26/our-biggest-show-ever-thomas-dilorenzo-kathy-shaidle-and-ted-nugent/ How does DeLorenzo explain his 2008 appearance on a racist radio program? http://www.thepoliticalcesspoo.....ed-nugent/

]]> By: Dieter Heymann http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/02/09/ron-paul-invites-witness-with-neo-confederate-ties-to-testify-in-congress/comment-page-1/#comment-248487 Dieter Heymann Fri, 11 Feb 2011 21:02:41 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=5739#comment-248487 The constitution of the Confederate States of America reveals glaringly what the secession was all about: uncontenstable chattel slavery forever and political power for white males only, preferably white males with a good amount of property. An amazing act of hubris in an era when liberation from chattel slavery and serfdom was sweeping the industrializing world. Sam Houston refused to sign the Texas declaration of secession because he understood the folly of it. And Mr. DiLorenzo should explain why the West Virginians seceded from the secessionists! The constitution of the Confederate States of America reveals glaringly what the secession was all about: uncontenstable chattel slavery forever and political power for white males only, preferably white males with a good amount of property. An amazing act of hubris in an era when liberation from chattel slavery and serfdom was sweeping the industrializing world. Sam Houston refused to sign the Texas declaration of secession because he understood the folly of it. And Mr. DiLorenzo should explain why the West Virginians seceded from the secessionists!

]]> By: CM http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/02/09/ron-paul-invites-witness-with-neo-confederate-ties-to-testify-in-congress/comment-page-1/#comment-248474 CM Fri, 11 Feb 2011 20:22:29 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=5739#comment-248474 JosephineSouthern said, "The lincoln cult and owner of the Washington power brokers have never stopped trouting the saint lincolon lie and sheeple swallow it whole hog." Is that two animals or three or four? Three if you count "sheep" and "people" separately, four if you count "trout." But seriously, it took 150 years before enough people in the USA forgot the obvious reality of Lincoln and the causes of the Civil War sufficiently to allow DiLorenzo to publish his revisionist fantasies without being laughed off the continent. JosephineSouthern said,

“The lincoln cult and owner of the Washington power brokers have never stopped trouting the saint lincolon lie and sheeple swallow it whole hog.”

Is that two animals or three or four? Three if you count “sheep” and “people” separately, four if you count “trout.”

But seriously, it took 150 years before enough people in the USA forgot the obvious reality of Lincoln and the causes of the Civil War sufficiently to allow DiLorenzo to publish his revisionist fantasies without being laughed off the continent.

]]> By: Ian http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/02/09/ron-paul-invites-witness-with-neo-confederate-ties-to-testify-in-congress/comment-page-1/#comment-248447 Ian Fri, 11 Feb 2011 18:51:10 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=5739#comment-248447 Josephine, While we're making reading lists... http://www.amazon.com/Confederate-Neo-Confederate-Reader-Great-Truth/dp/1604732180 Josephine,

While we’re making reading lists…

http://www.amazon.com/Confeder.....1604732180

]]> By: somehippie http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/02/09/ron-paul-invites-witness-with-neo-confederate-ties-to-testify-in-congress/comment-page-1/#comment-248437 somehippie Fri, 11 Feb 2011 18:33:26 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=5739#comment-248437 Thankyou for the thoughtful response Mr Steinback, that is much appreciated. And I still think you guys rock. Cheers. Thankyou for the thoughtful response Mr Steinback, that is much appreciated. And I still think you guys rock. Cheers.

]]> By: Ruslan Amirkhanov http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/02/09/ron-paul-invites-witness-with-neo-confederate-ties-to-testify-in-congress/comment-page-1/#comment-248426 Ruslan Amirkhanov Fri, 11 Feb 2011 17:51:12 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=5739#comment-248426 "I am so proud of Ron Paul for having yhr guts and courage to bring the historian Dr. Thomas J. Dilorenzo to the table." I can't decide what Ron Paul is more ignorant about, economics, or history. Or maybe it's just reality in general. "You will also find a book by a black author there who is no fan of lincoln." Good lord, a BLACK author who DOESN'T LIKE LINCOLN?! UNCONSCIONABLE!!!! Oh hey, you know what was funny? Appomattox. “I am so proud of Ron Paul for having yhr guts and courage to bring the historian Dr. Thomas J. Dilorenzo to the table.”

I can’t decide what Ron Paul is more ignorant about, economics, or history. Or maybe it’s just reality in general.

“You will also find a book by a black author there who is no fan of lincoln.”

Good lord, a BLACK author who DOESN’T LIKE LINCOLN?! UNCONSCIONABLE!!!!

Oh hey, you know what was funny? Appomattox.

]]> By: Mitch Beales http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/02/09/ron-paul-invites-witness-with-neo-confederate-ties-to-testify-in-congress/comment-page-1/#comment-248415 Mitch Beales Fri, 11 Feb 2011 17:25:44 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=5739#comment-248415 Lincoln didn't start the civil war and he certainly didn't undertake military action just to free the slaves any more than the USA entered WWII to liberate concentration camps. Wars are seldom begun for the noble causes to which we later attribute them. Perhaps that is because truly noble people abhor the cost of war which is almost always many times greater than the cost of avoiding war. Lincoln didn’t start the civil war and he certainly didn’t undertake military action just to free the slaves any more than the USA entered WWII to liberate concentration camps. Wars are seldom begun for the noble causes to which we later attribute them. Perhaps that is because truly noble people abhor the cost of war which is almost always many times greater than the cost of avoiding war.

]]> By: Mitch Beales http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/02/09/ron-paul-invites-witness-with-neo-confederate-ties-to-testify-in-congress/comment-page-1/#comment-248412 Mitch Beales Fri, 11 Feb 2011 17:18:48 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=5739#comment-248412 Jo Southern DiLorenzo is an economist not an historian. Perhaps that is why his "historical research" leads to such ridiculous assertions. In case you are unaware of the fact the south lost the "war between the states." Isn't it time for you to get over it or do you prefer to remain a loser? Jo Southern DiLorenzo is an economist not an historian. Perhaps that is why his “historical research” leads to such ridiculous assertions. In case you are unaware of the fact the south lost the “war between the states.” Isn’t it time for you to get over it or do you prefer to remain a loser?

]]> By: JosephineSouthern http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/02/09/ron-paul-invites-witness-with-neo-confederate-ties-to-testify-in-congress/comment-page-1/#comment-248397 JosephineSouthern Fri, 11 Feb 2011 16:19:22 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=5739#comment-248397 So Sad that even after 150 years there are so many people who refuse to see or educate themselves on the true history of America and their governments actions. The lincoln cult and owner of the Washington power brokers have never stopped trouting the saint lincolon lie and sheeple swallow it whole hog. I am so proud of Ron Paul for having yhr guts and courage to bring the historian Dr. Thomas J. Dilorenzo to the table. Two of his books I would make it a point to reat are "Lincoln Unmasked" and "The Real Lincoln" both at amazon. You will also find a book by a black author there who is no fan of lincoln. Most blacks in the South knew lincoln was a farce and did them no good; if you follow through to tyhr nitty gritty you know that is true. The slaves turning to the union side was a natural thing when you have no food and no home that was just destroyed by the might makes right all powerful bluecoats. So Sad that even after 150 years there are so many people who refuse to see or educate themselves on the true history of America and their governments actions.

The lincoln cult and owner of the Washington power brokers have never stopped trouting the saint lincolon lie and sheeple swallow it whole hog.

I am so proud of Ron Paul for having yhr guts and courage to bring the historian Dr. Thomas J. Dilorenzo to the table. Two of his books I would make it a point to reat are “Lincoln Unmasked” and “The Real Lincoln” both at amazon. You will also find a book by a black author there who is no fan of lincoln.

Most blacks in the South knew lincoln was a farce and did them no good; if you follow through to tyhr nitty gritty you know that is true. The slaves turning to the union side was a natural thing when you have no food and no home that was just destroyed by the might makes right all powerful bluecoats.

]]> By: Ian http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/02/09/ron-paul-invites-witness-with-neo-confederate-ties-to-testify-in-congress/comment-page-1/#comment-248383 Ian Fri, 11 Feb 2011 15:57:52 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=5739#comment-248383 Gene, I think more people should be clear as to what they mean when they say "the Civil War started over slavery". More specifically, they mean that the CSA seceeded because of slavery. I quite simply do not see how this is at all controversial. It's in the declarations of secession make by the states, it was put in their constitution, and called the "cornerstone" of the CSA by no less than their vice-president. The goal of the Union, on the other hand, was not to end slavery, but to keep the United States together. Simply put, Lincoln did not free slave in Union-controlled territory because he couldn't. I find it strange that neo-Confederates portray Lincoln as this dictator who ran over the Constitution and yet criticize him for not breaking the Constitution. Where it was Constitutionally permissible, he fought against slavery, such as in Maryland's vote on the issue. Can I have a source for the idea that Grant owned slaves after the war? Gene,

I think more people should be clear as to what they mean when they say “the Civil War started over slavery”. More specifically, they mean that the CSA seceeded because of slavery. I quite simply do not see how this is at all controversial. It’s in the declarations of secession make by the states, it was put in their constitution, and called the “cornerstone” of the CSA by no less than their vice-president. The goal of the Union, on the other hand, was not to end slavery, but to keep the United States together.

Simply put, Lincoln did not free slave in Union-controlled territory because he couldn’t. I find it strange that neo-Confederates portray Lincoln as this dictator who ran over the Constitution and yet criticize him for not breaking the Constitution. Where it was Constitutionally permissible, he fought against slavery, such as in Maryland’s vote on the issue.

Can I have a source for the idea that Grant owned slaves after the war?

]]> By: Patricia Smith http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/02/09/ron-paul-invites-witness-with-neo-confederate-ties-to-testify-in-congress/comment-page-1/#comment-248320 Patricia Smith Fri, 11 Feb 2011 12:28:09 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=5739#comment-248320 It is a terrible shame that the libertarian ideal of limited government involvement in human lives is being co-opted by right wing fanatics for their own nefarious purposes. Much of libertarian thought concerns people's right to privacy and to make decisions for themselves, without government interference. However, these neo-fascists are using the libertarian stance to further their agenda of hate and racism, rather than realizing that a true libertarian would respect all people, regardless of race, creed, sex, sexual orientation, and that those elements are part of the privacy libertarians should be seeking to protect. Extremism, unfortunately, is becoming more and more the norm. It is a terrible shame that the libertarian ideal of limited government involvement in human lives is being co-opted by right wing fanatics for their own nefarious purposes. Much of libertarian thought concerns people’s right to privacy and to make decisions for themselves, without government interference. However, these neo-fascists are using the libertarian stance to further their agenda of hate and racism, rather than realizing that a true libertarian would respect all people, regardless of race, creed, sex, sexual orientation, and that those elements are part of the privacy libertarians should be seeking to protect. Extremism, unfortunately, is becoming more and more the norm.

]]> By: Ruslan Amirkhanov http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/02/09/ron-paul-invites-witness-with-neo-confederate-ties-to-testify-in-congress/comment-page-1/#comment-248203 Ruslan Amirkhanov Fri, 11 Feb 2011 05:23:18 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=5739#comment-248203 "You people are the ignorant ones." Uh oh, the South rises again! And when it does, you have to slap it down just like last time. " If the war was over slavery why did lincoln issue his emancipation proclamation almost 18 months into the war? It was a military tactic that failed." Failed? Last time I checked the Confederacy was defeated, and as the North invaded many ex-slaves and even confederate soldiers deserted to the Union side. "Next, who just recently spoke before a joint session of congress? bo, a member of a church, and I use that term loosely, that espoused racial hatred for over 20 years while he sat in the pews" Oh please tell us!!! “You people are the ignorant ones.”

Uh oh, the South rises again! And when it does, you have to slap it down just like last time.

” If the war was over slavery why did lincoln issue his emancipation proclamation almost 18 months into the war? It was a military tactic that failed.”

Failed? Last time I checked the Confederacy was defeated, and as the North invaded many ex-slaves and even confederate soldiers deserted to the Union side.

“Next, who just recently spoke before a joint session of congress? bo, a member of a church, and I use that term loosely, that espoused racial hatred for over 20 years while he sat in the pews”

Oh please tell us!!!

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