Comments on: After Vicious Anti-Muslim Rally, a Deafening Silence

By: Jordan

Jordan — Tue, 03 May 2011 22:09:01 +0000

Truth,
Christians aren’t any different, should we kick them out too? And I don’t see any sources.

By: truth defends

truth defends — Sat, 23 Apr 2011 03:50:09 +0000

if you are not willing to defend your ” taken-for-granted freedoms” and blindly think that this islamic genocidal religion is not serious,and for that matter that those americans spouting off negatively do not have a leg of factual knowledges to stand on. i suggest you see into the southern thailand buddhists/ muslim conflic, then go to india and see about the hundreds of years war between hindus and muslims. examine what is happening to black-african tribal people in nigeria,or nigerian christians for that matter,kenya,darfur,sudan,russia,england,europe,ect… you know i was a liberal once too, but the violence that has certainly over-shadowed everything that islam does,raises some alarms. the fact of shariah law being utilized in 2011, as a major component of the muslim islamic religion.it might be wise if every american read the quran,shariah law,and the life of mohammad before we judge the motivations of our fellow americans. isalmic followers have certainly shown us something,that other religions in america have not been troubling to the rest of our american countrymen. the sihks are here,the jews,hindus,yogis,buddhists,in fact americans are not troubled by any other religion that has taught on these shores,except that is islam. i am an american-indian! if you ask me if i think that when muslins get to be a bigger population in the usa and can impose shariah law that i think i would be able to practice my traditional native faith,i just look at all the other indigenous religions that islam has destroyed and i will tell you flat out right,” OF COURSE NOT “,i know better,this is what to an extant that those other americans are concerned,just look at the track record of islam with other people,cultures,ect… there are valid concerns for modern americans to be behaving this way.

By: Jordan

Jordan — Wed, 23 Mar 2011 23:08:12 +0000

Ohh, and not all Zionists are Jewish.

By: Jordan

Jordan — Wed, 23 Mar 2011 13:16:41 +0000

*Nazis – refers to ‘neo-Nazis’, I drop the ‘neo’ because their is generally nothing ‘new’ about them.

By: Jordan

Jordan — Wed, 23 Mar 2011 13:14:47 +0000

Cynthia,
So your still of the conviction that all Jews are Zionists, huh? These people disagree.
http://www.ijsn.net/home/
Well I guess next time someone doubts the actions of liberals I can call them racist since “all blacks are liberal”.
“Funny, isn’t it, how some people always seem to find excuses for anti-Semitism. I wonder why that is.” The ‘funny’ thing is that people like you try to shrug off calls for murder of minorities by saying that the ones doing the calling are being descriminated against. When the Nazis protest Civil Rights and others criticize them, “whites” are not being descriminated against, the same applies here. Even minority citizens are capable of descrimination.

By: Cynthia

Cynthia — Tue, 22 Mar 2011 06:30:31 +0000

Funny, isn’t it, how some people always seem to find excuses for anti-Semitism. I wonder why that is.

By: Jordan

Jordan — Mon, 21 Mar 2011 01:34:12 +0000

P.S. When an elected official calls for the murder of children and calls attendees of a homeless shelter fundraiser “terrorists” it is far more than “some prejudiced remarks”.

By: Jordan

Jordan — Mon, 21 Mar 2011 01:32:29 +0000

“While quite rightly condemning some prejudiced remarks and bad behavior toward Muslims, posters, one in particular, have made far worse anti-Semitic remarks and no one has condemned them.” Calling someones extremists names (yes, Judaism has extremists, check out these guys http://www.splcenter.org/get-i.....se-league) is condemning the whole religion? ” Either you agree with this repulsive hater, or you are so used to hearing rank anti-Semitism that you don’t even notice it. Either way, only a hypocrite or an anti-Semite thinks it is acceptable to attack Jews in this way while at the same time condemning racism towards others.” And only you are confusing Zionism with Judaism (one’s a religion, the other’s a political movement which has been quite racist). ” It is a form of racism to single out some people on the basis of status or group membership, and that fact that not one of the commentors noticed shows in what fetid waters you swim. ” You are totally ignorant of the definition of racism aren’t you? Let me simplify it racism= belief that personality comes from skin color, some skin colors are better (and has nothing to do with religion or singling people out). The Jewish protesters were mentioned in the above article so that readers would not think that anti-Islamic sentiment is entirely a conservative Christian phenomenon (and to point out that being part of a historically persecuted minority doesn’t shield someone from themselves becoming prejudiced)

By: Cynthia

Cynthia — Sat, 19 Mar 2011 04:59:16 +0000

I find the comments here fascinating. While quite rightly condemning some prejudiced remarks and bad behavior toward Muslims, posters, one in particular, have made far worse anti-Semitic remarks and no one has condemned them.

Zionazi pigs, anyone? Nazi-like racists, anyone? Either you agree with this repulsive hater, or you are so used to hearing rank anti-Semitism that you don’t even notice it. Either way, only a hypocrite or an anti-Semite thinks it is acceptable to attack Jews in this way while at the same time condemning racism towards others.

I further find it completely unacceptable that the religion of any of the protesters was mentioned in the article. It is a form of racism to single out some people on the basis of status or group membership, and that fact that not one of the commentors noticed shows in what fetid waters you swim.

No doubt the author of this article thinks of herself as a person who is not prejudiced or racist in any way. I would suggest that she should do some real soul-searching as it is badly needed.

By: Jordan

Jordan — Sat, 12 Mar 2011 23:53:00 +0000

MK Ultra,
I’m sorry, could you clarify please. By “degredation” do you mean the fanatics calling for the deaths of children because of their religion, or the children attending a fundraiser for homeless shelters. It’s hard to tell.

By: MK Ultra

MK Ultra — Fri, 11 Mar 2011 17:57:40 +0000

How revolting! Amerikans manage to stoop one step lower every day into the cesspool of degradation drowning this country. Where is King when you need him, eh?

By: Ruslan Amirkhanov

Ruslan Amirkhanov — Wed, 09 Mar 2011 09:36:40 +0000

“It it not okay to offer an opinion of a group? Christians are victims of hate speech quite often and most often by the media but no one speaks up for them.”

For the 1000th time…you have the right to free speech, and other people have the right to call your speech hateful. This is not infringing on your rights to free speech.

By: Gaaaaaaaaaaabs

Gaaaaaaaaaaabs — Tue, 08 Mar 2011 18:50:53 +0000

America is supposed to be a place people can come to be free and escape from their countries. It is NOT a place where people come to get oppressed by other who think they’re better than them. I know immigration is a problem, but there’s nothing we can do to stop it, especially by calling them names and violating a fundraiser which is meant to be a good cause. If anything, we should just accept that our country is growing because it’s a good place and people want to come here. it’s a compliment to our country, so let’s welcome immigrants with open arms!

By: Jonas Rand

Jonas Rand — Mon, 07 Mar 2011 18:22:54 +0000

Yes, EDL really is involved with Jewish organizations. They have a Jewish branch, and I don’t believe that, despite the Hitler salute pictures, the EDL is over all an antisemitic organization. However, they are indeed “terrorist scum”, whether they are cosy with Islamophobic Zionist Jews or not. I would think that their Jewish division was involved in disrupting the protest of Palestinians with violence in June 2010:

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en......html?c=on

They support Israel, and that’s the reason they have a “Jewish division”. They are still just as Nazi-like, only pro-Zionist.

By: skinnyminny

skinnyminny — Mon, 07 Mar 2011 16:48:51 +0000

BTW, in case NE1 (anyone) is wondering why I posted the above info, EDL participated in a rally in NY against the ‘Ground Zero,’ Muslim center.

By: skinnyminny

skinnyminny — Mon, 07 Mar 2011 16:39:50 +0000

Here is something interesting and may be complementary to this article – please note, I do not know if the pictures are authentic or not, I cannot vouch for this.

In this article, “EDL: Terrorist Scum,” http://hurryupharry.org/2011/0.....rist-scum/ there are pictures that are alleged to be members of EDL wearing EDL jackets, salutes to Hitler, some posing with weapons and in front of paramilitary organizations flags…and it alleges this group (EDL) is involved with some Jewish organizations.

Again, I cannot vouch for this, I usually don’t like to take sides unless there is compelling evidence – meaning a video. There are some people saying that the pictures are photoshopped, others saying they are not – one guy doesn’t have the face mask on, whereas the others, they are wearing the complete face mask with openings for the eyes-nose…

By: ruben

ruben — Mon, 07 Mar 2011 16:02:37 +0000

to don…..you are here in north america because a couple of generations ago or so your family came here as refugees from europe searching for a better life and don’t you ever forget it!!…you are non native to this land no matter how many times and ways you try to spin it.

By: Jonas Rand

Jonas Rand — Mon, 07 Mar 2011 04:12:14 +0000

@”I Wonder”: I suggest you watch the video before making a comment like that. Who said that this was “hate speech”? How is this “speech” at all? What you see in the video is someone raving at people walking past them in a public place. There are some Islamophobes standing behind a table, yelling insults (presumably) at Muslim men and asking them if they are wifebeaters and “molesters”. Anyone should be allowed to attend a fundraiser without being intimidated by hatred or having their children be scared for their lives. Also, a man screaming “Mohammad was a child molester” and “Mohammad was a pervert” can be heard on the video. The fascists promoting this are mostly evangelical Christian Zionists who want to save Israel from the “Muslim dogs” and hate Arabs. There is also a sizable component of Jewish racists who are also vehemently pro-Israel and pro-Zionist. They sometimes air their views through “counter-terrorism” training for law enforcement. They often use Arabic terms, such as “Jihad”, “Sharia”, “Dawa”, and “Taqiyya” that most people are either unfamiliar with or apply a different meaning to. Sometimes, these raving Zionists will claim that Islam is not actually a religion at all, but a violent political ideology whose goal is world domination. They are lunatics.

By: Jordan

Jordan — Mon, 07 Mar 2011 02:15:21 +0000

i wonder,
The difference between freedom of speech and hate speech. Well for starters freedom of speech is a right (that is the right to say what you want without the fear of GOVERNMENT prosecution, again it only protects speech from legal action NOT from criticism). Hate speech is agressive, hate filled speech aimed at a specific group, it is also one of the things protected by freedom of speech (which is again a protection of almost all speech, with the exception of threats and causing panic, from government intervention).

By: Jonas Rand

Jonas Rand — Sun, 06 Mar 2011 22:54:40 +0000

This is the true face of America, which is why some people in the Middle East hold a considerable amount of animus toward America. After the guy made that comment about multiculturalism during the video, it sounded like it would be followed by three chants of “Sieg Heil”.

By: Jonas Rand

Jonas Rand — Sun, 06 Mar 2011 22:36:14 +0000

Sick Zionazi pigs strike fear in innocent people’s hearts.

By: i wonder

i wonder — Sun, 06 Mar 2011 21:19:37 +0000

What is the difference between hate speech or freedom of speech? I am just wondering? It it not okay to offer an opinion of a group? Christians are victims of hate speech quite often and most often by the media but no one speaks up for them.

By: Nina

Nina — Sun, 06 Mar 2011 16:40:41 +0000

This is so sad. I’m an American and I know these hate protests are more anti-american then anyone could imagine. This whole go home talk? Really? Unless you’re a native you should keep your mouth shut. They ARE American and actually is argue they are more American then the people protesting because they understand the besty, the diversity of our country. To all the American Muslims, dont ever fear these stupid people. They are pathetic…thank u to all colors and religions that make my country beautiful.

By: Zelig

Zelig — Sun, 06 Mar 2011 16:37:28 +0000

Don,

When did your people immigrate? You should think about taking your family back to Europe (or from where ever it is that you fled). Problem solved.

By: R Lavigueur

R Lavigueur — Sat, 05 Mar 2011 21:32:24 +0000

Excellently put Jordan, and in reference to the Jewish leaders involved in this, it only follows a longstanding historical record of the rarity of victim empathy. The ability of groups that have suffered horrible atrocities to turn upon other vulnerable groups is extremely depressing. One would think they would know better what comes of this kind of hate.

Marnie Singer,

Love may conquer hatred, but wilful blindness cannot conquer anything. These are people who are screaming their hatred and fear at innocent people who have done them no wrong, and they are blinded enough by these emotions to make children the targets of that hatred.

We cannot confront these groups and their ideologies without acknowledging the fundamental fact that is is hate and fear which motivate them, no matter how uncomfortable it is to at once recognize their capacity for evil and recognize that they are, in most ways, ordinary people. At least, those who attend events such as this may be ordinary people when outside of a mob… Their leaders are likely to be another story entirely.

Hate is an extremely powerful emotion, and I sincerely doubt that the organizers of this rally or the mob that they gathered are going to be receptive to dialogue or attempts at building understanding. Most likely they would dismiss any such efforts as attempts at propaganda and subversion, and retreat to their own self-supporting circles.

There is a reason that most groups promoting hatred prevent dissenting voices from being heard on forums which they operate, and it is the same reason that videos like this are so important. These videos and others like them prevent their beliefs and actions from hiding behind those comforting words.

By: Matthew Bright

Matthew Bright — Sat, 05 Mar 2011 17:21:49 +0000

This video is so horrendous it’s barely unwatchable. I am horrified and embarrassed.

I would also like to point out that a great deal of this anti Muslim hostility is being promoted by Fox News. And I find it more and more understandable why the largest shareholder behind Fox News besides Rupert Murdoch himself is a member of the Saudi Royal Family.

Americans hating Muslims and supporting the most intransigent right wing elements in Israel is in this mafia family’s self interest.

By: Marnie Singer

Marnie Singer — Sat, 05 Mar 2011 07:42:55 +0000

“For hate is never conquered by hate.
Hate is conquered by love.
This is an eternal law.”
~ Dammapada – Sayings of the Buddha
(translated by S. Beck)

By: susan moores

susan moores — Sat, 05 Mar 2011 03:35:52 +0000

Jordan – I agree! Well put.

By: Don

Don — Sat, 05 Mar 2011 00:20:12 +0000

I am opposed to immigration and immigration “reform” (amnesty). This country is overpopulated, and 21 million Americans are out of work.

By: Jordan

Jordan — Fri, 04 Mar 2011 22:02:03 +0000

“The term “hate group” is itself inflammatory.” Calling a group that spreads hate a ‘hate group’ is inflammatory? I’m sure it is to members of said group (unless they themselves admit it) “Instead of “hate groups,” we could talk about “groups we need to understand” or “groups which challenge us” — or even “groups we are afraid of,” which acknowledges our own fears.” Hmm…let’s try this on an example:
EURO [European American Unity and Rights Organization] – Glorifies Nazi Germany, preaches racial inferiority
1) “Groups we need to understand” – I already understand that they love Nazis and deny the holocaust
2)”Groups which challenge us” – They don’t really.
3)”Groups we are afraid of” – I’m not afraid of them.
So what would I call them? “Group which spreads hate”? Because that’s what they are.
“…and some Jewish leaders” Really? That’s as bad as ‘black supremecists’, they’ve seen were this goes right? They know (at least from history) about the crowds in the 1930s screaming “Die Jew!”, and talking about blood libel? Does it really need to happen a second time?