Tom

So “terrorist” is really the wrong word for the IRA.

LOL what? I can’t imagine what you love, thus I can’t hate it.

I wouldn’t say we hate everything you love. I would, however, say that we don’t agree with everything you love. We don’t agree with everything, because, the way I see it, the things you say and do have consequences – and I don’t see any of you thinking things through before acting. Sometimes I wonder if you guys wake up everyday and say, “who can we eff with today,” or “what can I eff up today.” And I think you are implying that Obama is a muslim, if so, then I think you need to question Cheney’s background – afterall, they are cousins.

Your second point. I have no idea how you cam compare the use of arms by the IRA with the use of torture by the CIA. The British government and military shouldn’t have been occupying part of Ireland- they were seen, by almost all the Catholics and a small minority of Protestants as, to one degree or another, a foreign and hostile occupying force (I’d say something sort of similar about the years since the Good Friday Agreement). Using force to get freedom in such a situation is legitimate. Also, the Republican Movement (Sinn Fein and the IRA) didn’t just use force, they also organized marches and rallies and used political power to preassure the government and elites.

The African National Congress and specifically Nelson Mandela have expressed support for the IRA One of the examples is at- http://www.independent.co.uk/n.....30170.html . Another is that, according to Tom Hayden in a online article for The Nation, ANC prisoners of war considered going on a hunger strike in solidarity with Irish Republican hunger-strikers in N. Ireland in 1981. According to the Irish Voice, in 1992 Nelson Mandela, on British TV, said that he supported the IRA. In 2005 a member of the government in South Africa who had been part of the armed struggle there compared what he did with what the IRA did. The point of all this is that the IRA were preassuring the British government and the British and Unionist elites pretty much the same way as the ANC’s military wing were preassuring the forces of Apartheid.

Going back to your first comment, you wrote this, staring with a quote from me: “‘Once again, you don’t define a n organization by what they do some very tiny % of what they do.’ So their purpose wasn’t to scare the British into leaving Ireland? And they didn’t do this by killing people, ever?”

At no point have I said they weren’t trying to get the British government and military out of Ireland, and I NEVER said that they didn’t kill people, ever.

Tom

Interesting that I raised the issue a last year of the cities claiming to be broke were having gun buyback programs in minority communities, while continuing to have gun shows. It makes me wonder if the K bros were behind this! On top of this, most of these cities that had these buyback events also had neo-Nazi rallies to intimidate minorities – again these cities claimed to be broke – guess who paid for these events held in minority communities for the police to protect these guys – the working class and poor. I believe the poor and working class paid for it since the rich and corporations doesn’t pay taxes.

I will stress again, people need to watch the movie on video, “Idiocracy.” This movie was a comedy, but frightening in that, the population was dumbed down, the corporations bought government agencies like the FDA, FOX became the only news, because there were no jobs people walked around all day with nothing to do as if the entire U.S. was just a ghetto.

Peter King is a hypocrite, he supported the terrorist group IRA, who killed innocent British people, but hey I guess that was OK, right? Killing innocent people is OK, as long as they are not born is the United States, yup that sounds about right. I guess Jesus Christ would give all you extra points for that, NOT!

No, there are no dancing in the street when Catholics hear about a pedophile priest, but there has been a concerted effort to Deny, Deflect, Defend this “Enemy Overseas” the “Catholic Church ”, I don’t even think you could deny that fact. What would Jesus Christ, say about this so called Church, I have a few thoughts myself.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/fu.....matt-stone

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Tom

tom

Once again, you don’t define a n organization by what they do some very tiny % of what they do.

They were putting preassure on the British to begin a process of withdrawl from Ireland. I’ve got mixed feelings about the times that they destroyed the commercial property of unionists, but that was putting preassure on the elite of the unionist population. In any case, putting preassure on the elite and the government is very legitimate when you consider how the state was set up- it was gerrymandered so it would have a pro-British majority and most Catholics and all nationalists experiemced severe inequality. I go into more detail about this and related matters in a post on my blog at- http://devlin-mcaliskey.blogsp.....enter.html .

Although the IRA’s campaign must have created some sense of terror, that was overwhelmingly NOT what they were trying to do. As I said they were preassuring the elites and the government. If they wanted to spread terror, they would have just slaughtered civilians instead of risking their lives attacking the security forces.

Tom

If all people were smart enough to decide between demonizing lies and facts than the SPLC would have no reason to exist, there wouldn’t be 1000+ hate groups in the US. As for “ending Islamophobia”, that’s not going to happen, there were people in California (including politicians) screaming at children attending a fundraiser for homeless shelters because they were Muslim. If ending hate were as simple as showing facts (another thing that King won’t be doing anytime soon), there would be no racism, no sexism, no religious descrimination, and generally no discrimination of any kind, it all would have ended quite some time ago.
Tom,
“Obviously I disagree about calling the IRA terrorists…”
Terrorism: the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion
-Merriam-Webster Online
Terrorist has nothing to do with ‘kill count’, someone could kill no one and still be a terrorist. The IRA was attempting to coerc Irish independants through the use of violence and intimidation, that makes them terrorists.

So we should leave the politics out of issues which are clearly political. Brilliant, absolutely brilliant.

Accusations were made, not one Muslim was a part of the first responders on 9/11, although I believe there were Muslims in the Towers at the time who were also murdered on that horrific day.

The television news reports on the matter of terrorism has been less than fully informative. As long as the facts and opinions are substantiated, the hearings should continue. People are not stupid and will decide for themselves as to the legitimacy of the hearings when Rep. Peter King’s congressional committee has completed. And, as far as Rep. King’s background is concerned regarding statements made in the past, let it all hang out on both sides. Hopefully, we will be able to clear the air with the congressional committee and put an end to Islamaphobia.

Let everyone speak openly and fairly and not suppress information through any form or degree of character assassination. The suppression of any idea, point or view or thought, only strengthens the hatred.

I think that’s all I have to say about that.

As far as Peter King’s racism. Obviously I disagree about calling the IRA terrorists, but here’s what you might attack him over. Torture. unfortunately I think there are some tiny differences between what was done to IRA suspects and what has been done to suspects in the “War on Terror,” but I think most people will see that he is a racist with a double standard like that. He LOVES water-boarding, he’s made that very clear.

Also, as I said earlier, I have been making a modest effort at giving information about King to Irish leftists who are sort of friendly to Sinn Fein, hoping that SF will be embarrased into telling King to F%ck off, hopefully in a very public way which will hopefully have some effect on his level of support here.

Tom

Again, that is why I left the republican party – you don’t know what you’re getting. I always have to take a step back to wonder ‘what’s in it for them, and what’s the cost/benefit/opportunity – how many dollar signs for them.’