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	<title>Comments on: Amazon Often Rejects Porn But Helps White Racists Publish Books</title>
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		<title>By: Roman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jul 2013 11:26:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is Amazon corrupting Children?

Decades ago, pornography was isolated to those sleazy grey buildings, with bars on the windows and ID checks at the door. Today you can find hundreds of new porn books on Amazon, absolutely free, each and every day, and easily available to children. No credit card is required, no parental locks, and no tracking. Kids are becoming addicted to sexually explicit material, and Amazon is making access to pornography easier than ever.

But what is even more disturbing is the activity on the Amazon website, where children are being lured into adults only groups, populated by members who read and review erotica. For example, this reporter found the following conversation on the Amazon Customer Discussions:

Adult#1 says: &quot;10. through me, you can get to Adult #4 and others you know here, and Adult #4 can get you into the &quot;cool places&quot; ;-)&quot;

Female child-14yo says: &quot;The only objection I have to goodreads is that I&#039;m not old enough to be in the BBA group. :P Would I be able to find most of you at the Dead Writers&#039; Society?&quot;

Adult#2 says: &quot;Oh, Pet, I&#039;ve been wanting you to join us over there. ... If it won&#039;t let you join, PM Adult #4 (she is easier to find than I am because my name over there is really common) and we&#039;ll figure out a way to let you in.&quot;

Adult#1 says: &quot;Lie about your DOB year. (I will disavow any knowledge of this suggestion).&quot;

Adult#3 says: &quot;You do know that what you just did is a criminal offense?&quot;

And further research leads us to discussion threads started by Adult #4, like “For the Quirky and Racy Among Us”, and “Spanking in erotica: How much is too much?” where she states “I thought spanking should be something of a sexual turn on…” And what is most shocking of all, Adult #4 claims to be a first-grade school teacher.

Amazon has been notified repeatedly about this group of adults, and has refused to stop the obvious criminal corruption of a minor. The question is why? Is Amazon so desperate to destroy Barnes &amp; Noble with the dumping of free eBooks, that they will sacrifice the mental health of children? Do the lawyers at Amazon even know what the Sherman Act says, or what criminal negligence means in this country.

Parents around the world need to demand an explanation from Amazon, and an immediate investigation by the US Justice Department. Our children are not pawns in Amazons perverted games and craving for power. It is time to put an end to this criminal behavior against children, and against Barnes &amp; Noble.

And that is the opinion of this reporter.

Sources:

http://www.amazon.com/forum/romance/ref=cm_cd_et_md_pl?_encoding=UTF8&amp;cdForum=FxM42D5QN2YZ1D&amp;cdMsgID=Mx163H0RIVM8ZDP&amp;cdMsgNo=276&amp;cdPage=12&amp;cdSort=oldest&amp;cdThread=TxYJLTT8II764G#Mx163H0RIVM8ZDP]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is Amazon corrupting Children?</p>
<p>Decades ago, pornography was isolated to those sleazy grey buildings, with bars on the windows and ID checks at the door. Today you can find hundreds of new porn books on Amazon, absolutely free, each and every day, and easily available to children. No credit card is required, no parental locks, and no tracking. Kids are becoming addicted to sexually explicit material, and Amazon is making access to pornography easier than ever.</p>
<p>But what is even more disturbing is the activity on the Amazon website, where children are being lured into adults only groups, populated by members who read and review erotica. For example, this reporter found the following conversation on the Amazon Customer Discussions:</p>
<p>Adult#1 says: &#8220;10. through me, you can get to Adult #4 and others you know here, and Adult #4 can get you into the &#8220;cool places&#8221; ;-)&#8221;</p>
<p>Female child-14yo says: &#8220;The only objection I have to goodreads is that I&#8217;m not old enough to be in the BBA group. :P Would I be able to find most of you at the Dead Writers&#8217; Society?&#8221;</p>
<p>Adult#2 says: &#8220;Oh, Pet, I&#8217;ve been wanting you to join us over there. &#8230; If it won&#8217;t let you join, PM Adult #4 (she is easier to find than I am because my name over there is really common) and we&#8217;ll figure out a way to let you in.&#8221;</p>
<p>Adult#1 says: &#8220;Lie about your DOB year. (I will disavow any knowledge of this suggestion).&#8221;</p>
<p>Adult#3 says: &#8220;You do know that what you just did is a criminal offense?&#8221;</p>
<p>And further research leads us to discussion threads started by Adult #4, like “For the Quirky and Racy Among Us”, and “Spanking in erotica: How much is too much?” where she states “I thought spanking should be something of a sexual turn on…” And what is most shocking of all, Adult #4 claims to be a first-grade school teacher.</p>
<p>Amazon has been notified repeatedly about this group of adults, and has refused to stop the obvious criminal corruption of a minor. The question is why? Is Amazon so desperate to destroy Barnes &amp; Noble with the dumping of free eBooks, that they will sacrifice the mental health of children? Do the lawyers at Amazon even know what the Sherman Act says, or what criminal negligence means in this country.</p>
<p>Parents around the world need to demand an explanation from Amazon, and an immediate investigation by the US Justice Department. Our children are not pawns in Amazons perverted games and craving for power. It is time to put an end to this criminal behavior against children, and against Barnes &amp; Noble.</p>
<p>And that is the opinion of this reporter.</p>
<p>Sources:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/forum/romance/ref=cm_cd_et_md_pl?_encoding=UTF8&#038;cdForum=FxM42D5QN2YZ1D&#038;cdMsgID=Mx163H0RIVM8ZDP&#038;cdMsgNo=276&#038;cdPage=12&#038;cdSort=oldest&#038;cdThread=TxYJLTT8II764G#Mx163H0RIVM8ZDP" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/forum/ro.....H0RIVM8ZDP</a></p>
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		<title>By: David K. Meller</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/03/21/amazon-often-rejects-porn-but-its-service-helps-white-racists-publish-and-sell-books/comment-page-2/#comment-351677</link>
		<dc:creator>David K. Meller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2011 01:05:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Free speech and the I Amendment have been under attack far more vigorously in the years since 9/11/2001 than liberalism, gender or race egalitarianism, or socialism. 

If ever kudos were deserved for carrying a book, which may be &quot;offensive&quot; to some, but which discusses needed ideas and challenges, it is today! I&#039;m not saying that I necessarily agree with White racial nationalism, but their right to sell their books, publish their newsletters, and even broadcast on radio and Television must be sacrosanct. If their rights to free speech, assembly, and press are restricted today, SPLC and ADL will be on the Government&#039;s verboten list tomorrow! 

Their right of expression and advocacy MUST be protected, or nobody&#039;s is!

PEACE AND FREEDOM!
David K. Meller]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Free speech and the I Amendment have been under attack far more vigorously in the years since 9/11/2001 than liberalism, gender or race egalitarianism, or socialism. </p>
<p>If ever kudos were deserved for carrying a book, which may be &#8220;offensive&#8221; to some, but which discusses needed ideas and challenges, it is today! I&#8217;m not saying that I necessarily agree with White racial nationalism, but their right to sell their books, publish their newsletters, and even broadcast on radio and Television must be sacrosanct. If their rights to free speech, assembly, and press are restricted today, SPLC and ADL will be on the Government&#8217;s verboten list tomorrow! </p>
<p>Their right of expression and advocacy MUST be protected, or nobody&#8217;s is!</p>
<p>PEACE AND FREEDOM!<br />
David K. Meller</p>
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		<title>By: Izzak</title>
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		<dc:creator>Izzak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Aug 2011 01:15:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Frankly, it does not matter what you anti-white extremists say. The United States is imploding economically and their will be a regime change by the European American population. Like it or not. You can stick your fingers in your ear, and hold your breath until you pass out, but the boomerang is swinging in the direction of pro-white advocacy. Its done. Well know agitators who have advocated the genocide of whites through massive ethnic cleansing and demographic displacement have violated article II of the Geneva Conventions and will likely be subjected to trial by tribunal. Thats right boys and girls - no jury. Execution for treason and attempts at genocide. You freaks will be punished in the next 5-10 years.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frankly, it does not matter what you anti-white extremists say. The United States is imploding economically and their will be a regime change by the European American population. Like it or not. You can stick your fingers in your ear, and hold your breath until you pass out, but the boomerang is swinging in the direction of pro-white advocacy. Its done. Well know agitators who have advocated the genocide of whites through massive ethnic cleansing and demographic displacement have violated article II of the Geneva Conventions and will likely be subjected to trial by tribunal. Thats right boys and girls &#8211; no jury. Execution for treason and attempts at genocide. You freaks will be punished in the next 5-10 years.</p>
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		<title>By: Buz Thompson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Buz Thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Mar 2011 03:51:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[you nuts should not care what others write but rather which nuts it read by....... an idiot yelling in the woods is still just an idiot. but that same idiot with three listeners has just made the score 4 to 0 think about it]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you nuts should not care what others write but rather which nuts it read by&#8230;&#8230;. an idiot yelling in the woods is still just an idiot. but that same idiot with three listeners has just made the score 4 to 0 think about it</p>
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		<title>By: Ruslan Amirkhanov</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ruslan Amirkhanov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Mar 2011 20:10:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;So, kidnapping white women for the purposes of breeding and multiplying? Why, this basically might as well been a tale of Moors, Tatars or Ottoman Turks who just happened to be trapped in white European men’s bodies! &quot;

Oh poor historically challenged WN, you amuse me.  First of all, yes, various European populations have been victims of slavery hundreds of years ago(of course people like you love talking about how slavery practiced by whites wasn&#039;t so bad).  But here are a few points you need to consider:

1. In many cases, Europeans sold other Europeans into slavery, especially in early Russia.  Incidentally, Moscow actually came to power thanks to the Golden Horde.  The Ottoman Empire was just as European as it was non-European, as the peculiarities of their system meant that they tended to use local populations in Anatolia and the Balkans rather than displacing them or replacing them.  Many famous &quot;Ottomans&quot; were not Turkish at all, but rather Greek, Armenian, Serbian, Bosnian, Albanian, and so on.  

2. Apparently you miss the hypocrisy of WN authors constantly complaining about rape and mistreatment of white women while fantasizing about doing it themselves.

&quot;I’m willing to believe this whole “all humans are same”

Who said &quot;all humans are same&quot;? Oh right, nobody.  

&quot; B.S about as much as I do Ted Kennedy’s claims about the 1965 immigration reform that he helped shove through the senate floor not changing America’s ethnic balance, unleashing Third Worlders upon U.S nor will it making entire parts of U.S resemble Third World.&quot;

You need to stop getting your information on immigration from Stormfront.  History lesson time again!

1. The 1924 immigration act which the 1965 act effectively ended excluded mainly Europeans from Southern and Eastern Europe.  Latin Americans were not covered, nor were Africans(who usually didn&#039;t have resources to immigrate anyway).  

2. The reason why the 1965 immigration act seems to have shifted immigration habits is simple.  Prior to 1924, major waves of immigrants came from Europe.  Now what happened between WWII and 1965? Let&#039;s see, Ireland&#039;s standard of living improves, Poland, USSR, and other Eastern European countries are behind the Iron Curtain. Money is being dumped into countries like West Germany and Italy.  

In other words, there were good reasons why the trends changed against European immigration.  Of course with the exception of the Irish, the 1924 act excluded most Eastern and Southern Europeans anyway. 

Also your claim that America has areas that resemble the Third World today is rather hilarious.  Try looking at what life was like in the 1920s or 30s before you start complaining about today.

 &quot;And yet, here we are, with America poised to resemble Guyana or Brazil by 2040.&quot;

Unlikely.

 &quot;Lies and agitprop that are meant to soothe the worries and reassure the whites into embracing their own annihilation, and especially so since 1960s, are as much part of Left’s and Marxists’ agenda and strategy as eggs are to omelettes. &quot;

Blargh MARXIST!! BLARGH!! LEFT!!! 1960S!! ARGH!!!

&quot;The “scientists” like Lewontin, Montagu and others have been well known for their leftist politics and their “one world” and “pro-multiculti” activities. &quot;

You believe in a &quot;white race&quot;. You&#039;re a multi-culturalist.


&quot;That was the most obtuse comment I’ve read in this thread. Recent research shows how Caucasians are in fact a relatively homogenous group, with only some if any variations. Even the non-European Caucasoids such as relatively unmixed Berbers of North Africa are much closer to Europeans, especially Basques and Andalusians, than they are to Bedouin Arabs, Sephardi Jews and especially moreso the sub-Saharan Africans both in terms of physical appearance and genes. &quot;

Name a society that was organized based on genetic data like that.  Never mind, you can&#039;t.  Better question: Can you explain the benefits of organizing a society based on the genetic data you just mentioned.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;So, kidnapping white women for the purposes of breeding and multiplying? Why, this basically might as well been a tale of Moors, Tatars or Ottoman Turks who just happened to be trapped in white European men’s bodies! &#8221;</p>
<p>Oh poor historically challenged WN, you amuse me.  First of all, yes, various European populations have been victims of slavery hundreds of years ago(of course people like you love talking about how slavery practiced by whites wasn&#8217;t so bad).  But here are a few points you need to consider:</p>
<p>1. In many cases, Europeans sold other Europeans into slavery, especially in early Russia.  Incidentally, Moscow actually came to power thanks to the Golden Horde.  The Ottoman Empire was just as European as it was non-European, as the peculiarities of their system meant that they tended to use local populations in Anatolia and the Balkans rather than displacing them or replacing them.  Many famous &#8220;Ottomans&#8221; were not Turkish at all, but rather Greek, Armenian, Serbian, Bosnian, Albanian, and so on.  </p>
<p>2. Apparently you miss the hypocrisy of WN authors constantly complaining about rape and mistreatment of white women while fantasizing about doing it themselves.</p>
<p>&#8220;I’m willing to believe this whole “all humans are same”</p>
<p>Who said &#8220;all humans are same&#8221;? Oh right, nobody.  </p>
<p>&#8221; B.S about as much as I do Ted Kennedy’s claims about the 1965 immigration reform that he helped shove through the senate floor not changing America’s ethnic balance, unleashing Third Worlders upon U.S nor will it making entire parts of U.S resemble Third World.&#8221;</p>
<p>You need to stop getting your information on immigration from Stormfront.  History lesson time again!</p>
<p>1. The 1924 immigration act which the 1965 act effectively ended excluded mainly Europeans from Southern and Eastern Europe.  Latin Americans were not covered, nor were Africans(who usually didn&#8217;t have resources to immigrate anyway).  </p>
<p>2. The reason why the 1965 immigration act seems to have shifted immigration habits is simple.  Prior to 1924, major waves of immigrants came from Europe.  Now what happened between WWII and 1965? Let&#8217;s see, Ireland&#8217;s standard of living improves, Poland, USSR, and other Eastern European countries are behind the Iron Curtain. Money is being dumped into countries like West Germany and Italy.  </p>
<p>In other words, there were good reasons why the trends changed against European immigration.  Of course with the exception of the Irish, the 1924 act excluded most Eastern and Southern Europeans anyway. </p>
<p>Also your claim that America has areas that resemble the Third World today is rather hilarious.  Try looking at what life was like in the 1920s or 30s before you start complaining about today.</p>
<p> &#8220;And yet, here we are, with America poised to resemble Guyana or Brazil by 2040.&#8221;</p>
<p>Unlikely.</p>
<p> &#8220;Lies and agitprop that are meant to soothe the worries and reassure the whites into embracing their own annihilation, and especially so since 1960s, are as much part of Left’s and Marxists’ agenda and strategy as eggs are to omelettes. &#8221;</p>
<p>Blargh MARXIST!! BLARGH!! LEFT!!! 1960S!! ARGH!!!</p>
<p>&#8220;The “scientists” like Lewontin, Montagu and others have been well known for their leftist politics and their “one world” and “pro-multiculti” activities. &#8221;</p>
<p>You believe in a &#8220;white race&#8221;. You&#8217;re a multi-culturalist.</p>
<p>&#8220;That was the most obtuse comment I’ve read in this thread. Recent research shows how Caucasians are in fact a relatively homogenous group, with only some if any variations. Even the non-European Caucasoids such as relatively unmixed Berbers of North Africa are much closer to Europeans, especially Basques and Andalusians, than they are to Bedouin Arabs, Sephardi Jews and especially moreso the sub-Saharan Africans both in terms of physical appearance and genes. &#8221;</p>
<p>Name a society that was organized based on genetic data like that.  Never mind, you can&#8217;t.  Better question: Can you explain the benefits of organizing a society based on the genetic data you just mentioned.</p>
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		<title>By: Nikita Vissarionovitch Trotsky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nikita Vissarionovitch Trotsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Mar 2011 17:42:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;What do the WN rebels do? Well they are obsessed with breeding so they ride into town from time to time and kidnap women to be their wives(yes, plural). Yes that’s right, they steal wives.&quot;

So, kidnapping white women for the purposes of breeding and multiplying? Why, this basically might as well been a tale of Moors, Tatars or Ottoman Turks who just happened to be trapped in white European men&#039;s bodies!  

“The nucleotide diversity between humans is about 0.1%” So, everyone is very, very similar, and the only “indiginous population” that anyone resembles is the human polulation. “In general, however, an average of 85% [of that 0.1% variation that is] of genetic variation exists within local populations, ~7%....&quot;  

I&#039;m willing to believe this whole &quot;all humans are same&quot; B.S about as much as I do Ted Kennedy&#039;s claims about the 1965 immigration reform that he helped shove through the senate floor  not changing America&#039;s ethnic balance, unleashing Third Worlders upon U.S nor will it making entire parts of U.S resemble Third World. And yet, here we are, with America poised to resemble Guyana or Brazil by 2040. Lies and agitprop that are meant to soothe the worries and reassure the whites into embracing their own annihilation, and especially so since 1960s, are as much part of Left&#039;s and Marxists&#039; agenda and strategy as eggs are to omelettes. The &quot;scientists&quot; like Lewontin, Montagu and others have been well known for their leftist politics and their &quot;one world&quot; and &quot;pro-multiculti&quot; activities.    

&quot;People you would likely consider ‘white’ are more genetically different from one another than all Europeans are from all Africans&quot;

That was the most obtuse comment I&#039;ve read in this thread. Recent research shows how Caucasians are in fact a relatively homogenous group, with only some if any variations.  Even the non-European Caucasoids such as relatively unmixed Berbers of North Africa are much closer to Europeans, especially Basques and Andalusians, than they are to Bedouin Arabs, Sephardi Jews and especially moreso the sub-Saharan Africans both in terms of physical appearance and genes.     

In the end, let me just say that it&#039;s quite bewildering how you Jordan and others in the left manage to contradict yourselves, with defending and fighting for racial diversity, while simultaneously claiming that there&#039;s no racial diffrences between humans whatsoever. But then again, double standards, one sidedness and hypocrysy are the best friends for the likes of you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What do the WN rebels do? Well they are obsessed with breeding so they ride into town from time to time and kidnap women to be their wives(yes, plural). Yes that’s right, they steal wives.&#8221;</p>
<p>So, kidnapping white women for the purposes of breeding and multiplying? Why, this basically might as well been a tale of Moors, Tatars or Ottoman Turks who just happened to be trapped in white European men&#8217;s bodies!  </p>
<p>“The nucleotide diversity between humans is about 0.1%” So, everyone is very, very similar, and the only “indiginous population” that anyone resembles is the human polulation. “In general, however, an average of 85% [of that 0.1% variation that is] of genetic variation exists within local populations, ~7%&#8230;.&#8221;  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m willing to believe this whole &#8220;all humans are same&#8221; B.S about as much as I do Ted Kennedy&#8217;s claims about the 1965 immigration reform that he helped shove through the senate floor  not changing America&#8217;s ethnic balance, unleashing Third Worlders upon U.S nor will it making entire parts of U.S resemble Third World. And yet, here we are, with America poised to resemble Guyana or Brazil by 2040. Lies and agitprop that are meant to soothe the worries and reassure the whites into embracing their own annihilation, and especially so since 1960s, are as much part of Left&#8217;s and Marxists&#8217; agenda and strategy as eggs are to omelettes. The &#8220;scientists&#8221; like Lewontin, Montagu and others have been well known for their leftist politics and their &#8220;one world&#8221; and &#8220;pro-multiculti&#8221; activities.    </p>
<p>&#8220;People you would likely consider ‘white’ are more genetically different from one another than all Europeans are from all Africans&#8221;</p>
<p>That was the most obtuse comment I&#8217;ve read in this thread. Recent research shows how Caucasians are in fact a relatively homogenous group, with only some if any variations.  Even the non-European Caucasoids such as relatively unmixed Berbers of North Africa are much closer to Europeans, especially Basques and Andalusians, than they are to Bedouin Arabs, Sephardi Jews and especially moreso the sub-Saharan Africans both in terms of physical appearance and genes.     </p>
<p>In the end, let me just say that it&#8217;s quite bewildering how you Jordan and others in the left manage to contradict yourselves, with defending and fighting for racial diversity, while simultaneously claiming that there&#8217;s no racial diffrences between humans whatsoever. But then again, double standards, one sidedness and hypocrysy are the best friends for the likes of you.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Molloy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam Molloy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Mar 2011 14:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was raised to be colorblind, and there are good and bad people of all hues. It always galls me when a form I&#039;m filling out asks for my race.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was raised to be colorblind, and there are good and bad people of all hues. It always galls me when a form I&#8217;m filling out asks for my race.</p>
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		<title>By: R Lavigueur</title>
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		<dc:creator>R Lavigueur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Mar 2011 17:41:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Poindexter, 

The more you and other supporters of the idea of a white race attempt to bring up thousands of years of history, the more laughable the argument seems in light of anthropological, sociological and historical fact.   

&quot;That there are mixed races around the edges of the white world, whether it be Europe, the Near East, North Africa, or North America, does not mean that it does not have a very real, extant core.&quot;

What it means is that you have chosen to define a core based around a specific and arbitrary set of criteria. Many in the United States consider &quot;Hispanic&quot; to be a racial category; while if you went to Europe, you would be hard pressed (in this period of history) to find people who would agree with you that those from the Southern part of the continent are not European. Go back in time and the definitions get blurrier. 40,000 years ago, there was no conception of Europe, and no evidence of a conception of whiteness, because the cultural traditions and history associated with these concepts did not yet exist.  

If you insist on using genetics, the entire nation of America would count as one of your mixed areas, with studies suggesting that at least 1/3rd of &quot;white&quot; Americans have physical and genetic markers which are not associated with European populations. Are these people actually not &quot;white&quot;, even though they believe that they are and even though they are culturally identical to those &quot;whites&quot; around them? If race is genetic, how could these people fail to realize their background? 
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Herein lies the problem with race. These people &quot;know&quot; that they are white, even though their DNA demonstrates unambiguously that they are not of pure European ancestry. They characterize themselves as white, instead, because in our culture having a European sounding name, a roughly European family tree, at least down the male branches of the family, and more or less pale skin is sufficient to mark an individual as belonging to the white &quot;race&quot;. 

In practice, it resembles the Texas Sharpshooter Fallacy, with those positing a racial identity listing off a number of traits, physical or genetic, and then drawing a line around them, declaring that those are the traits that mark white people. Today, we aren&#039;t nearly as ridiculous about this as in the era of craniometry and phrenology, but as has been mentioned above, genetic similarity between groups is large enough to make attempts at dividing lines pointless.  

&quot;The reality of the existence of white people is so easily understood that children can perceive it instantly.&quot;

The existence of variation in skin colour, hair colour, hair length, hair texture, eye colour, gender, height, and weight are all readily apparent to children. It is socialization that teaches them that difference in some of these areas is insignificant, while difference in others matters a great deal. This is why children in different areas of the world conceive of these ideas very differently.  

It takes very little effort to convince children in classrooms that people&#039;s eye colour determines personal worth. It does not follow that this reveals how simple and obvious a system of discrimination and distinction on eye colour should be to adult society.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Poindexter, </p>
<p>The more you and other supporters of the idea of a white race attempt to bring up thousands of years of history, the more laughable the argument seems in light of anthropological, sociological and historical fact.   </p>
<p>&#8220;That there are mixed races around the edges of the white world, whether it be Europe, the Near East, North Africa, or North America, does not mean that it does not have a very real, extant core.&#8221;</p>
<p>What it means is that you have chosen to define a core based around a specific and arbitrary set of criteria. Many in the United States consider &#8220;Hispanic&#8221; to be a racial category; while if you went to Europe, you would be hard pressed (in this period of history) to find people who would agree with you that those from the Southern part of the continent are not European. Go back in time and the definitions get blurrier. 40,000 years ago, there was no conception of Europe, and no evidence of a conception of whiteness, because the cultural traditions and history associated with these concepts did not yet exist.  </p>
<p>If you insist on using genetics, the entire nation of America would count as one of your mixed areas, with studies suggesting that at least 1/3rd of &#8220;white&#8221; Americans have physical and genetic markers which are not associated with European populations. Are these people actually not &#8220;white&#8221;, even though they believe that they are and even though they are culturally identical to those &#8220;whites&#8221; around them? If race is genetic, how could these people fail to realize their background?<br />
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Herein lies the problem with race. These people &#8220;know&#8221; that they are white, even though their DNA demonstrates unambiguously that they are not of pure European ancestry. They characterize themselves as white, instead, because in our culture having a European sounding name, a roughly European family tree, at least down the male branches of the family, and more or less pale skin is sufficient to mark an individual as belonging to the white &#8220;race&#8221;. </p>
<p>In practice, it resembles the Texas Sharpshooter Fallacy, with those positing a racial identity listing off a number of traits, physical or genetic, and then drawing a line around them, declaring that those are the traits that mark white people. Today, we aren&#8217;t nearly as ridiculous about this as in the era of craniometry and phrenology, but as has been mentioned above, genetic similarity between groups is large enough to make attempts at dividing lines pointless.  </p>
<p>&#8220;The reality of the existence of white people is so easily understood that children can perceive it instantly.&#8221;</p>
<p>The existence of variation in skin colour, hair colour, hair length, hair texture, eye colour, gender, height, and weight are all readily apparent to children. It is socialization that teaches them that difference in some of these areas is insignificant, while difference in others matters a great deal. This is why children in different areas of the world conceive of these ideas very differently.  </p>
<p>It takes very little effort to convince children in classrooms that people&#8217;s eye colour determines personal worth. It does not follow that this reveals how simple and obvious a system of discrimination and distinction on eye colour should be to adult society.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Molloy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam Molloy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Mar 2011 15:27:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s Farenheit 451, Eric, supposedly the temperature at which books burn. Did you read about the early church burning the Library of Alexandria? Did you hear about Tennessee recently forbidding schools to speak of gay people until, oh, I don&#039;t know, what&#039;s their usual dropout age? Did you hear about Arizona recently outlawing teaching Hispanic Studies in their schools? Like Eugenics, censorship always gets twisted around to benefit those in power.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s Farenheit 451, Eric, supposedly the temperature at which books burn. Did you read about the early church burning the Library of Alexandria? Did you hear about Tennessee recently forbidding schools to speak of gay people until, oh, I don&#8217;t know, what&#8217;s their usual dropout age? Did you hear about Arizona recently outlawing teaching Hispanic Studies in their schools? Like Eugenics, censorship always gets twisted around to benefit those in power.</p>
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		<title>By: Vincent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vincent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Mar 2011 14:39:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We need to firmly introduce the concept of &quot;political pornography&quot; into the debate.  In film we are starting to see the term &quot;gore porn&quot; and some reviewers are refusing to sit through films like the Saw series.  We need to have Amazon and others treat political porn the same as they treat other porn.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We need to firmly introduce the concept of &#8220;political pornography&#8221; into the debate.  In film we are starting to see the term &#8220;gore porn&#8221; and some reviewers are refusing to sit through films like the Saw series.  We need to have Amazon and others treat political porn the same as they treat other porn.</p>
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		<title>By: Ruslan Amirkhanov</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ruslan Amirkhanov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Mar 2011 12:48:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[LaAmericana, despite the etymology of the word &quot;Mexico&quot;, it does not change the fact that Mexico&#039;s population has endured considerable European influence in its history, as is evident from the population, much less the language.  And let&#039;s also not forget that a large part of what was Mexico has existed as part of the United States, with its very different ethnic make up, since the mid-19th century.  

@Pointdexter.  Yes we are all aware of DNA connections between populations.  That being said, how many societies in history have been based on the percentage of such-and-such DNA one has?  HINT: ZERO.  Moreover, European culture is not tied to European DNA; plenty of European cultures have taken much from non-European traditions wherever they meet.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LaAmericana, despite the etymology of the word &#8220;Mexico&#8221;, it does not change the fact that Mexico&#8217;s population has endured considerable European influence in its history, as is evident from the population, much less the language.  And let&#8217;s also not forget that a large part of what was Mexico has existed as part of the United States, with its very different ethnic make up, since the mid-19th century.  </p>
<p>@Pointdexter.  Yes we are all aware of DNA connections between populations.  That being said, how many societies in history have been based on the percentage of such-and-such DNA one has?  HINT: ZERO.  Moreover, European culture is not tied to European DNA; plenty of European cultures have taken much from non-European traditions wherever they meet.</p>
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		<title>By: Ruslan Amirkhanov</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ruslan Amirkhanov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Mar 2011 07:01:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I will support free speech and strike a blow at Amazon at the same time.  Most of the racialist novels such as The Turner Diaries and Hunter have been made into PDFs and are posted on some WN sites.  Anyone curious about the idiocy contained within such books would be well advised to download those books for free, thus denying Amazon and the respective publishers any money. 

And just as the best things in life are free, so are the worst sometimes- I am of course referring to KD Rebel(which I reviewed above), the Viking Kidnapping-Rape-Polygamy-Exposition-loaded adventure by David Lane.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will support free speech and strike a blow at Amazon at the same time.  Most of the racialist novels such as The Turner Diaries and Hunter have been made into PDFs and are posted on some WN sites.  Anyone curious about the idiocy contained within such books would be well advised to download those books for free, thus denying Amazon and the respective publishers any money. </p>
<p>And just as the best things in life are free, so are the worst sometimes- I am of course referring to KD Rebel(which I reviewed above), the Viking Kidnapping-Rape-Polygamy-Exposition-loaded adventure by David Lane.</p>
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		<title>By: LaAmericana</title>
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		<dc:creator>LaAmericana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Mar 2011 05:58:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ruslan Amirkhonov

As much as you seem to be highly informed and intelligent, and I respect your writing style, let me with all due respect, correct you.

It appears you may be of Turkish or Caucasian ancestry (as in from the Caucasus) given your name and the knowledge that you display of that region in the world.

However, as a Mexican American, please do not speak for my history or my culture, especially when you do not know what you are speaking of.  It merely demonstrates ignorance on your part.  

If you want to speak about radical ideology, I suggest you being with another racists supremacist ideology similar to white supremacy, it&#039;s called Turanism. 

The noun Mexican is NOT a European identifier.  It is a word that originates from the Nauhtl (Aztec) word Mexihca.  Always has been.  It&#039;s similar to the noun Coptic as used by Eygptian Arabs, the word Coptic meaning Egyptian, which is commonly used by Christian Arabs whose ancestory is historically tied to the ancient Eygpitans before Arab invasions, but who speak Arabic culturally and linguistically.  Similarly, we Mexicans linguistically speak the Spanish language and adopt certain Spanish cultural customs, and we also identify ourselves as Mexican means Mexihca or Aztec, which is an extension of our historical ancestry.  

Ruslan said:

&quot;Well that depends on the motives of said African-American, Latino, etc. The motives of people who want to preserve “whiteness” are domination of society. I have in fact been in debates condemning the radical ideology of some Latino groups, reminding them that identifiers like Mexican are inherently European and not necessarily indigenous.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ruslan Amirkhonov</p>
<p>As much as you seem to be highly informed and intelligent, and I respect your writing style, let me with all due respect, correct you.</p>
<p>It appears you may be of Turkish or Caucasian ancestry (as in from the Caucasus) given your name and the knowledge that you display of that region in the world.</p>
<p>However, as a Mexican American, please do not speak for my history or my culture, especially when you do not know what you are speaking of.  It merely demonstrates ignorance on your part.  </p>
<p>If you want to speak about radical ideology, I suggest you being with another racists supremacist ideology similar to white supremacy, it&#8217;s called Turanism. </p>
<p>The noun Mexican is NOT a European identifier.  It is a word that originates from the Nauhtl (Aztec) word Mexihca.  Always has been.  It&#8217;s similar to the noun Coptic as used by Eygptian Arabs, the word Coptic meaning Egyptian, which is commonly used by Christian Arabs whose ancestory is historically tied to the ancient Eygpitans before Arab invasions, but who speak Arabic culturally and linguistically.  Similarly, we Mexicans linguistically speak the Spanish language and adopt certain Spanish cultural customs, and we also identify ourselves as Mexican means Mexihca or Aztec, which is an extension of our historical ancestry.  </p>
<p>Ruslan said:</p>
<p>&#8220;Well that depends on the motives of said African-American, Latino, etc. The motives of people who want to preserve “whiteness” are domination of society. I have in fact been in debates condemning the radical ideology of some Latino groups, reminding them that identifiers like Mexican are inherently European and not necessarily indigenous.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Poindexter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Poindexter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Mar 2011 01:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Among other fallacies, Ruslan Amirkhanov commits a fallacy in suggesting &#039;that which has fuzzy edges cannot exist&#039;.  That there are mixed races around the edges of the white world, whether it be Europe, the Near East, North Africa, or North America, does not mean that it does not have a very real, extant core.  Whether or not Sicilians or various Central Asian peoples are white may be debatable, but those with an overwhelming majority of DNA going back some 40,000 years to the Indo-European &#039;Urheimat&#039; are not subject to Mr Amirkhanov&#039;s efforts at muddying deep waters.  For those, generally European, people, &#039;whiteness&#039; is a identity whose latest common ancestor(s) lived only a few thousand years ago in the history of the Indo-European migrations.  Mr Amirkhanov&#039;s suggestion that these common cultural and genetic bonds simply do not exist because of the existence of Uighars in China, or because he can vent his spleen in ridiculous, adolescent sarcasm (&quot;Zorplakian&quot;?), holds no sway over non-dogmatic, clear-thinking people everywhere.  The reality of the existence of white people is so easily understood that children can perceive it instantly.  But Mr Amirkhanov has read many books, and considers himself among a self-appointed priesthood, a sublimely elite and intelligent cadre of true-believers, whose mission it is to proselytize the unenlightened into his cult of postmodern con-artists.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Among other fallacies, Ruslan Amirkhanov commits a fallacy in suggesting &#8216;that which has fuzzy edges cannot exist&#8217;.  That there are mixed races around the edges of the white world, whether it be Europe, the Near East, North Africa, or North America, does not mean that it does not have a very real, extant core.  Whether or not Sicilians or various Central Asian peoples are white may be debatable, but those with an overwhelming majority of DNA going back some 40,000 years to the Indo-European &#8216;Urheimat&#8217; are not subject to Mr Amirkhanov&#8217;s efforts at muddying deep waters.  For those, generally European, people, &#8216;whiteness&#8217; is a identity whose latest common ancestor(s) lived only a few thousand years ago in the history of the Indo-European migrations.  Mr Amirkhanov&#8217;s suggestion that these common cultural and genetic bonds simply do not exist because of the existence of Uighars in China, or because he can vent his spleen in ridiculous, adolescent sarcasm (&#8220;Zorplakian&#8221;?), holds no sway over non-dogmatic, clear-thinking people everywhere.  The reality of the existence of white people is so easily understood that children can perceive it instantly.  But Mr Amirkhanov has read many books, and considers himself among a self-appointed priesthood, a sublimely elite and intelligent cadre of true-believers, whose mission it is to proselytize the unenlightened into his cult of postmodern con-artists.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Nationalist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. Nationalist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Mar 2011 00:39:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Ruslan Amirkhanov 

I have never  belonged or posted to Stormfront.  No interest.  Further, I do not know the works of  Don Black or Tom Bombadil.

I have always held my views, expressed my opinions.  Gradually, quite imperceptibly at first, things changed.  Despite never uttering a racial slur, despite never believing one race superior over another, despite keeping to  myself, I suddenly found myself labeled.  

Amused at first, then, when the attacks - that is the way they felt - expanded I tried to fight back.  But, like all straw man contests, one cannot win.  In a very real sense, I became involved because of the attacks.   That was some 18 years ago.   Prior to that - say, &#039;83 or &#039;84 - I worked or participated in a variety of left/liberal causes including the Jesse Jackson campaign believing, at the time (though certainly not anymore), in the legitimacy of the man and his message.

And while I have certainly heard of some of the larger WN sites (like Stormfront) I have never taken an active part.   Too many Americans become the caricature drawn up for them by minority groups.  I have zero interest in the ego-based competitions mascarading as many American (i.e., WN) programs.

By the way, supremacy is a fallacy, an erroneous twisitng of intentions.  My way, my life, my values and ideals are better for me and my family, my culture.  Period.  I&#039;ve never understood if the slur &quot;white supremacist&quot; is intentional or just the result of lazy thinking.  As someone else noted above, there is no &quot;white race.&quot; White is a convenient term, something many understand, but like the word &quot;black&quot; it paints over the true issues.  

As long as my racial brothers and sisters hang onto ideas like supremacy, our cause will always be lost.   Our goal is to focus our unique talents, skills and ideas on maintaining our past history and expanding our future plans.   We have only to take care of ourselves and the rest will take care of itself.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ruslan Amirkhanov </p>
<p>I have never  belonged or posted to Stormfront.  No interest.  Further, I do not know the works of  Don Black or Tom Bombadil.</p>
<p>I have always held my views, expressed my opinions.  Gradually, quite imperceptibly at first, things changed.  Despite never uttering a racial slur, despite never believing one race superior over another, despite keeping to  myself, I suddenly found myself labeled.  </p>
<p>Amused at first, then, when the attacks &#8211; that is the way they felt &#8211; expanded I tried to fight back.  But, like all straw man contests, one cannot win.  In a very real sense, I became involved because of the attacks.   That was some 18 years ago.   Prior to that &#8211; say, &#8217;83 or &#8217;84 &#8211; I worked or participated in a variety of left/liberal causes including the Jesse Jackson campaign believing, at the time (though certainly not anymore), in the legitimacy of the man and his message.</p>
<p>And while I have certainly heard of some of the larger WN sites (like Stormfront) I have never taken an active part.   Too many Americans become the caricature drawn up for them by minority groups.  I have zero interest in the ego-based competitions mascarading as many American (i.e., WN) programs.</p>
<p>By the way, supremacy is a fallacy, an erroneous twisitng of intentions.  My way, my life, my values and ideals are better for me and my family, my culture.  Period.  I&#8217;ve never understood if the slur &#8220;white supremacist&#8221; is intentional or just the result of lazy thinking.  As someone else noted above, there is no &#8220;white race.&#8221; White is a convenient term, something many understand, but like the word &#8220;black&#8221; it paints over the true issues.  </p>
<p>As long as my racial brothers and sisters hang onto ideas like supremacy, our cause will always be lost.   Our goal is to focus our unique talents, skills and ideas on maintaining our past history and expanding our future plans.   We have only to take care of ourselves and the rest will take care of itself.</p>
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		<title>By: skinnyminny</title>
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		<dc:creator>skinnyminny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Mar 2011 00:03:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[May I add, I agree with Ruslan 150%.

But here&#039;s another wildcard, if some of you say you are proud of YOUR history, then why the outcry when we had the day without an immigrant protests? Why the outcry of, &quot;if they love their country so much to fly their flags, they should go back.&quot; 

This is something that needs to be discussed, because immigrants from non-European countries are told to declare their loyalty to this country, meanwhile, people that trace their ancestors to European countries tend to declare their loyalty to European countries instead of the U.S. Wassup?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>May I add, I agree with Ruslan 150%.</p>
<p>But here&#8217;s another wildcard, if some of you say you are proud of YOUR history, then why the outcry when we had the day without an immigrant protests? Why the outcry of, &#8220;if they love their country so much to fly their flags, they should go back.&#8221; </p>
<p>This is something that needs to be discussed, because immigrants from non-European countries are told to declare their loyalty to this country, meanwhile, people that trace their ancestors to European countries tend to declare their loyalty to European countries instead of the U.S. Wassup?</p>
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		<title>By: skinnyminny</title>
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		<dc:creator>skinnyminny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Mar 2011 23:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is just too funny! The funny part is the arguments that blood is thicker than residence! Really? Then why the fuss over Obama&#039;s birth certificate? Please, do enlighten me!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is just too funny! The funny part is the arguments that blood is thicker than residence! Really? Then why the fuss over Obama&#8217;s birth certificate? Please, do enlighten me!</p>
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		<title>By: KaffirFalcon</title>
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		<dc:creator>KaffirFalcon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Mar 2011 22:57:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Britain is not a colony of India or Pakistan&quot;

Hahaha, you wouldn&#039;t know that if you were to walk though much of London or Birmingham.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gR3FwTtBVjk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1b9J8D3tOg

Likewise, I must point out that even during the height of British rule of India, there wasn&#039;t a single part of that place where the white British or other European residents were a majority, or even slightly outnumbered the Indians. That is all in a jarring contrast to entire boroughs of English cities where the native English people have been thoroughly driven out and ethnically cleansed by the unlimited flood of colonists from Indian subcontinent.  

&quot;Norman, Saxon, Celtic?&quot; 

Being white Europeans they were, they are certainly considered to be founding stock of the British nation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Britain is not a colony of India or Pakistan&#8221;</p>
<p>Hahaha, you wouldn&#8217;t know that if you were to walk though much of London or Birmingham.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gR3FwTtBVjk" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gR3FwTtBVjk</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1b9J8D3tOg" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1b9J8D3tOg</a></p>
<p>Likewise, I must point out that even during the height of British rule of India, there wasn&#8217;t a single part of that place where the white British or other European residents were a majority, or even slightly outnumbered the Indians. That is all in a jarring contrast to entire boroughs of English cities where the native English people have been thoroughly driven out and ethnically cleansed by the unlimited flood of colonists from Indian subcontinent.  </p>
<p>&#8220;Norman, Saxon, Celtic?&#8221; </p>
<p>Being white Europeans they were, they are certainly considered to be founding stock of the British nation.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Mar 2011 22:25:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I really love seeing good folks like Ruslan, R Lavigueur and others mop up the floor intellectually with those others who like to proclaim &quot;there is no racism&quot; or &quot;we&#039;re just &#039;white&#039; people defending ourselves&quot; (hah!) Or to see those like Patrick who post messages believing that they won&#039;t make it onto this forum so that they can explain &quot;(in a lame attempt to deceive the public into thinking most people think like you..)&quot; (Patrick, MOST people DO believe as we do, they just can&#039;t be bothered with &quot;debating&quot; people like you!) And didn&#039;t your message, like so many others who don&#039;t like the SPLC and what it stands UP for, make it onto the board? Yep.

As far as the article that spawned this thread, I too am a firm believer in free speech, and believe that to combat bad speech one must use more speech, not less. But, I am also free in where to spend my money, and I stopped using Amazon during the Michael Vick debacle when they refused to stop promoting books that defended and showed people how to fight dogs. I wrote them, to which they answered with the standard free speech form email, and I now buy my books and other media elsewhere.

Real freedom rocks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really love seeing good folks like Ruslan, R Lavigueur and others mop up the floor intellectually with those others who like to proclaim &#8220;there is no racism&#8221; or &#8220;we&#8217;re just &#8216;white&#8217; people defending ourselves&#8221; (hah!) Or to see those like Patrick who post messages believing that they won&#8217;t make it onto this forum so that they can explain &#8220;(in a lame attempt to deceive the public into thinking most people think like you..)&#8221; (Patrick, MOST people DO believe as we do, they just can&#8217;t be bothered with &#8220;debating&#8221; people like you!) And didn&#8217;t your message, like so many others who don&#8217;t like the SPLC and what it stands UP for, make it onto the board? Yep.</p>
<p>As far as the article that spawned this thread, I too am a firm believer in free speech, and believe that to combat bad speech one must use more speech, not less. But, I am also free in where to spend my money, and I stopped using Amazon during the Michael Vick debacle when they refused to stop promoting books that defended and showed people how to fight dogs. I wrote them, to which they answered with the standard free speech form email, and I now buy my books and other media elsewhere.</p>
<p>Real freedom rocks.</p>
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		<title>By: Aron</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/03/21/amazon-often-rejects-porn-but-its-service-helps-white-racists-publish-and-sell-books/comment-page-2/#comment-269307</link>
		<dc:creator>Aron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Mar 2011 21:17:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sharon,

That is sadly the case. And I truly wish it wasn&#039;t. 

Aron]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sharon,</p>
<p>That is sadly the case. And I truly wish it wasn&#8217;t. </p>
<p>Aron</p>
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		<title>By: Sharon</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/03/21/amazon-often-rejects-porn-but-its-service-helps-white-racists-publish-and-sell-books/comment-page-2/#comment-269286</link>
		<dc:creator>Sharon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Mar 2011 20:07:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As Ruslan has put so eloquently on so many occasions, freedom of speech does not mean freedom from critique.&lt;&lt;

That&#039;s true. But the hysterics that Dr. Laura (of the on-air  n-word tirade) and others of such ilk would have you believe otherwise. In their world, they can rant and rave as is their right under the 1st Amendment, but you are to be silent if you don&#039;t agree with them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Ruslan has put so eloquently on so many occasions, freedom of speech does not mean freedom from critique.&lt;&lt;</p>
<p>That&#039;s true. But the hysterics that Dr. Laura (of the on-air  n-word tirade) and others of such ilk would have you believe otherwise. In their world, they can rant and rave as is their right under the 1st Amendment, but you are to be silent if you don&#039;t agree with them.</p>
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		<title>By: Sharon</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/03/21/amazon-often-rejects-porn-but-its-service-helps-white-racists-publish-and-sell-books/comment-page-2/#comment-269283</link>
		<dc:creator>Sharon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Mar 2011 20:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I recall Amazon getting flak a while ago over publishing work that promoted pedophilia. 

http://tinyurl.com/26zymuu]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recall Amazon getting flak a while ago over publishing work that promoted pedophilia. </p>
<p><a href="http://tinyurl.com/26zymuu" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/26zymuu</a></p>
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		<title>By: Aron</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/03/21/amazon-often-rejects-porn-but-its-service-helps-white-racists-publish-and-sell-books/comment-page-2/#comment-269273</link>
		<dc:creator>Aron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Mar 2011 19:13:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A Z

As Ruslan has put so eloquently on so many occasions, freedom of speech does not mean freedom from critique.

Aron]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A Z</p>
<p>As Ruslan has put so eloquently on so many occasions, freedom of speech does not mean freedom from critique.</p>
<p>Aron</p>
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		<title>By: Ruslan Amirkhanov</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/03/21/amazon-often-rejects-porn-but-its-service-helps-white-racists-publish-and-sell-books/comment-page-1/#comment-269267</link>
		<dc:creator>Ruslan Amirkhanov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Mar 2011 19:03:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Incidentally many Europeans, as well as European-descended Americans, display their pride in their heritage all the time without anybody getting upset over it.  But for some reason this isn&#039;t enough for White Nationalists.  If you aren&#039;t upholding the American-born concept of some &quot;white race&quot;, and blaming all your problems on Jews, non-whites, or whatever, then this isn&#039;t &quot;proud&quot; enough for WNs.  

This is why the &quot;we&#039;re just being proud of our heritage&quot; line doesn&#039;t fly with anyone who has had enough contact and experience with WN communities.  For one thing, most WNs, especially the American variety, have never set foot in Europe and thus know nothing about &quot;European culture.&quot;  But more important than this, check out any given WN forum and you will find not a celebration of heritage and history but mostly a non-stop whine fest about everything from the undocumented construction workers to subtle &quot;anti-white messages&quot; in the latest Snickers commercial.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Incidentally many Europeans, as well as European-descended Americans, display their pride in their heritage all the time without anybody getting upset over it.  But for some reason this isn&#8217;t enough for White Nationalists.  If you aren&#8217;t upholding the American-born concept of some &#8220;white race&#8221;, and blaming all your problems on Jews, non-whites, or whatever, then this isn&#8217;t &#8220;proud&#8221; enough for WNs.  </p>
<p>This is why the &#8220;we&#8217;re just being proud of our heritage&#8221; line doesn&#8217;t fly with anyone who has had enough contact and experience with WN communities.  For one thing, most WNs, especially the American variety, have never set foot in Europe and thus know nothing about &#8220;European culture.&#8221;  But more important than this, check out any given WN forum and you will find not a celebration of heritage and history but mostly a non-stop whine fest about everything from the undocumented construction workers to subtle &#8220;anti-white messages&#8221; in the latest Snickers commercial.</p>
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		<title>By: A Z Well</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/03/21/amazon-often-rejects-porn-but-its-service-helps-white-racists-publish-and-sell-books/comment-page-1/#comment-269258</link>
		<dc:creator>A Z Well</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Mar 2011 18:33:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Once again the comment section is far more interesting and informative than the fluff piece that passes for an article.
America = Free Speech.  End of Story.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once again the comment section is far more interesting and informative than the fluff piece that passes for an article.<br />
America = Free Speech.  End of Story.</p>
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		<title>By: Julie</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/03/21/amazon-often-rejects-porn-but-its-service-helps-white-racists-publish-and-sell-books/comment-page-1/#comment-269244</link>
		<dc:creator>Julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Mar 2011 18:02:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m aware that Amazon has the right to sell this book and I don&#039;t believe in censorship no matter how offensive the subject matter may be to many people.  However, the fact that they are promoting it along with other white supremacy material is enough for me to never throw my money their way again.  Never.  I cannot believe their irresponsibility in promoting material which encourages others - especially teenagers and those who are searching to find &quot;who they are&quot; - to carry on the bigotry and hate that has caused so much grief and pain in this world.
Bye, Amazon.  It&#039;s been nice, especially over the holidays.  I think greed, perhaps, has morally bankrupted you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m aware that Amazon has the right to sell this book and I don&#8217;t believe in censorship no matter how offensive the subject matter may be to many people.  However, the fact that they are promoting it along with other white supremacy material is enough for me to never throw my money their way again.  Never.  I cannot believe their irresponsibility in promoting material which encourages others &#8211; especially teenagers and those who are searching to find &#8220;who they are&#8221; &#8211; to carry on the bigotry and hate that has caused so much grief and pain in this world.<br />
Bye, Amazon.  It&#8217;s been nice, especially over the holidays.  I think greed, perhaps, has morally bankrupted you.</p>
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		<title>By: Jordan</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/03/21/amazon-often-rejects-porn-but-its-service-helps-white-racists-publish-and-sell-books/comment-page-1/#comment-269213</link>
		<dc:creator>Jordan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Mar 2011 17:05:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow...so that&#039;s how racists can get away saying &quot;I&#039;m not racist BUT... [angry racist comment here]&quot;. They just forget the definition of racism. Here, I&#039;ll remind you:
1: a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race 
2: racial prejudice or discrimination
-Merriam-Websters&#039; Online
So when is someone a racist? When someone holds &quot;a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race&quot; or a &quot;racial prejudice&quot; or when they practice &quot;discrimination&quot; based on race they are racist. It really is that simple. Words and their appropriate usage are defined in dictionaries, the largest dictionaries (Merriam-Webster and Oxford) are available online, if you need to know what a word means look it up. 
&quot;Place of birth, the language or religion means absolutely nothing, if one’s phenotype and genotype does not resemble that of the indigenous population.&quot;
&quot;The nucleotide diversity between humans is about 0.1%&quot; So, everyone is very, very similar, and the only &quot;indiginous population&quot; that anyone resembles is the human polulation. &quot;In general, however, an average of 85% [of that 0.1% variation that is] of genetic variation exists within local populations, ~7% is between local populations within the same continent, and ~8% of variation occurs between large groups living on different continents,. (Lewontin 1972; Jorde et al. 2000a; Hinds et al. 2005).&quot; People you would likely consider &#039;white&#039; are more genetically different from one another than all Europeans are from all Africans.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow&#8230;so that&#8217;s how racists can get away saying &#8220;I&#8217;m not racist BUT&#8230; [angry racist comment here]&#8220;. They just forget the definition of racism. Here, I&#8217;ll remind you:<br />
1: a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race<br />
2: racial prejudice or discrimination<br />
-Merriam-Websters&#8217; Online<br />
So when is someone a racist? When someone holds &#8220;a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race&#8221; or a &#8220;racial prejudice&#8221; or when they practice &#8220;discrimination&#8221; based on race they are racist. It really is that simple. Words and their appropriate usage are defined in dictionaries, the largest dictionaries (Merriam-Webster and Oxford) are available online, if you need to know what a word means look it up.<br />
&#8220;Place of birth, the language or religion means absolutely nothing, if one’s phenotype and genotype does not resemble that of the indigenous population.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;The nucleotide diversity between humans is about 0.1%&#8221; So, everyone is very, very similar, and the only &#8220;indiginous population&#8221; that anyone resembles is the human polulation. &#8220;In general, however, an average of 85% [of that 0.1% variation that is] of genetic variation exists within local populations, ~7% is between local populations within the same continent, and ~8% of variation occurs between large groups living on different continents,. (Lewontin 1972; Jorde et al. 2000a; Hinds et al. 2005).&#8221; People you would likely consider &#8216;white&#8217; are more genetically different from one another than all Europeans are from all Africans.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/03/21/amazon-often-rejects-porn-but-its-service-helps-white-racists-publish-and-sell-books/comment-page-1/#comment-269205</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Mar 2011 16:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, please! &quot;Patrick&quot; and &quot;Alex&quot; say they are supporters of some &quot;white race&quot;?
Well, all my ancestors came from northern Europe. I can trace my family tree back to the 1600s myself. Which is kind of interesting, but does NOT make me any better, or any worse, than anyone else.
I do NOT want to be associated in any way, shape or form with &quot;Patrick&quot; or &quot;Alex&quot; or &quot;Mr. Nationalist&quot; or any group to which they belong. So allow me to state publicly that I am NOT a member of the &quot;white race.&quot; I am a proud member of the HUMAN race.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, please! &#8220;Patrick&#8221; and &#8220;Alex&#8221; say they are supporters of some &#8220;white race&#8221;?<br />
Well, all my ancestors came from northern Europe. I can trace my family tree back to the 1600s myself. Which is kind of interesting, but does NOT make me any better, or any worse, than anyone else.<br />
I do NOT want to be associated in any way, shape or form with &#8220;Patrick&#8221; or &#8220;Alex&#8221; or &#8220;Mr. Nationalist&#8221; or any group to which they belong. So allow me to state publicly that I am NOT a member of the &#8220;white race.&#8221; I am a proud member of the HUMAN race.</p>
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		<title>By: Ruslan Amirkhanov</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/03/21/amazon-often-rejects-porn-but-its-service-helps-white-racists-publish-and-sell-books/comment-page-1/#comment-269172</link>
		<dc:creator>Ruslan Amirkhanov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Mar 2011 14:26:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One more thing Mr. Nationalist, I&#039;m sure that pseudo-philosophical waxing easily puts you in the top ranks of the Stormfront intelligentsia, but in the real world outside of Don Black&#039;s realm, it just reads  as though Tom Bombadil has been listening to Michael Savage.  And never should those twain meet!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more thing Mr. Nationalist, I&#8217;m sure that pseudo-philosophical waxing easily puts you in the top ranks of the Stormfront intelligentsia, but in the real world outside of Don Black&#8217;s realm, it just reads  as though Tom Bombadil has been listening to Michael Savage.  And never should those twain meet!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Ruslan Amirkhanov</title>
		<link>http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/03/21/amazon-often-rejects-porn-but-its-service-helps-white-racists-publish-and-sell-books/comment-page-1/#comment-268911</link>
		<dc:creator>Ruslan Amirkhanov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Mar 2011 04:33:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Summing up my previous points...what you(Alex and Nikolai) fail to realize is that by advancing this very American identity of &quot;white&quot; you are in fact paving over the diverse variety of European cultures. This is why people like you will never understand, or fit into Europe.  You are effectively suggesting that all European culture is somehow monolithic when in fact it is not only not so, but it is also heavily influenced from non-European sources.  Of course petty European nationalism has serious problems as well, but trying to pave all this over with a false, American idea of &quot;white&quot; certainly wouldn&#039;t solve that problem.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Summing up my previous points&#8230;what you(Alex and Nikolai) fail to realize is that by advancing this very American identity of &#8220;white&#8221; you are in fact paving over the diverse variety of European cultures. This is why people like you will never understand, or fit into Europe.  You are effectively suggesting that all European culture is somehow monolithic when in fact it is not only not so, but it is also heavily influenced from non-European sources.  Of course petty European nationalism has serious problems as well, but trying to pave all this over with a false, American idea of &#8220;white&#8221; certainly wouldn&#8217;t solve that problem.</p>
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