Comments on: New Evidence Trove Found in MLK Day Bomb Attempt http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/04/08/new-evidence-trove-found-in-mlk-day-bomb-attempt/ Hatewatch is a blog of the Southern Poverty Law Center Fri, 17 May 2013 21:41:41 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Ruslan Amirkhanov http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/04/08/new-evidence-trove-found-in-mlk-day-bomb-attempt/comment-page-1/#comment-284033 Ruslan Amirkhanov Tue, 26 Apr 2011 12:23:47 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=6184#comment-284033 "I would be surprised that you are for randomly sending our military into foreign countries to fight an international terrorist organization (which is exactly what the CIA is for, not the army, that’s like trying to kill a mosquito with a cannon), but you evidently don’t care about the lives of the NATO soldiers that Manning endangered by revealing military tactical information." If one participates in an imperialist invasion, you get what you deserve. “I would be surprised that you are for randomly sending our military into foreign countries to fight an international terrorist organization (which is exactly what the CIA is for, not the army, that’s like trying to kill a mosquito with a cannon), but you evidently don’t care about the lives of the NATO soldiers that Manning endangered by revealing military tactical information.”

If one participates in an imperialist invasion, you get what you deserve.

]]> By: Kate De Braose http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/04/08/new-evidence-trove-found-in-mlk-day-bomb-attempt/comment-page-1/#comment-283783 Kate De Braose Mon, 25 Apr 2011 13:33:33 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=6184#comment-283783 We haven't heard anything about the Manning affair except that he must be guilty. No evidence has been revealed of his purported involvement and I believe there is none. Nothing has been found or publicized to prove or disprove his innocence. That may be because of the possibility of incriminating someone else. Authorities have simply picked a fall guy in the same way they picked up a few bystanders to serve as suspects in the run up to the war on Iraq and to use Guantanamo as a huge concentration camp and an excuse to get large amounts in government contracts for certain businesses. And I believe that hugger mugger technique was also used to protect government heads and operatives like Oliver North in Iran/Contra. In the same way and for the same reasons as the Iran conflict, the war on Iraq was conducted for political and monetary gain. Our press has been hobbled and persecuted everywhere so I see no way out of this problem. We still have not been fully informed about the assassination of President Kennedy and his Attorney General Robert Kennedy. We haven’t heard anything about the Manning affair except that he must be guilty. No evidence has been revealed of his purported involvement and I believe there is none. Nothing has been found or publicized to prove or disprove his innocence. That may be because of the possibility of incriminating someone else.

Authorities have simply picked a fall guy in the same way they picked up a few bystanders to serve as suspects in the run up to the war on Iraq and to use Guantanamo as a huge concentration camp and an excuse to get large amounts in government contracts for certain businesses. And I believe that hugger mugger technique was also used to protect government heads and operatives like Oliver North in Iran/Contra.

In the same way and for the same reasons as the Iran conflict, the war on Iraq was conducted for political and monetary gain. Our press has been hobbled and persecuted everywhere so I see no way out of this problem.

We still have not been fully informed about the assassination of President Kennedy and his Attorney General Robert Kennedy.

]]> By: Jordan http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/04/08/new-evidence-trove-found-in-mlk-day-bomb-attempt/comment-page-1/#comment-283466 Jordan Sun, 24 Apr 2011 00:36:22 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=6184#comment-283466 "As the CIA is a criminal organization, a fact well-established in its history, it does not matter if their lives were allegedly endangered. Manning followed his conscious against a murdering, criminal government. He will have to accept the the legal consequences of his actions, but we have to accept that he was right and demand an end to the atrocities he exposed." You're with the Sovereigns now? Kill the few to help the many? That's no better than any of the groups that SPLC stands against. I would be surprised that you are for randomly sending our military into foreign countries to fight an international terrorist organization (which is exactly what the CIA is for, not the army, that's like trying to kill a mosquito with a cannon), but you evidently don't care about the lives of the NATO soldiers that Manning endangered by revealing military tactical information. And no, "we" don't have to except that putting American citizens in harms way is "right", it's no more right than the bogus "anti-Sharia" movement with its fearmongering, or the police-killing sovereigns with whom you apparently agree. To expose crimes of war is an act of justice, to compromise the safety of over 300,000,000 is a crime against humanity. “As the CIA is a criminal organization, a fact well-established in its history, it does not matter if their lives were allegedly endangered. Manning followed his conscious against a murdering, criminal government. He will have to accept the the legal consequences of his actions, but we have to accept that he was right and demand an end to the atrocities he exposed.” You’re with the Sovereigns now? Kill the few to help the many? That’s no better than any of the groups that SPLC stands against. I would be surprised that you are for randomly sending our military into foreign countries to fight an international terrorist organization (which is exactly what the CIA is for, not the army, that’s like trying to kill a mosquito with a cannon), but you evidently don’t care about the lives of the NATO soldiers that Manning endangered by revealing military tactical information. And no, “we” don’t have to except that putting American citizens in harms way is “right”, it’s no more right than the bogus “anti-Sharia” movement with its fearmongering, or the police-killing sovereigns with whom you apparently agree. To expose crimes of war is an act of justice, to compromise the safety of over 300,000,000 is a crime against humanity.

]]> By: Ruslan Amirkhanov http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/04/08/new-evidence-trove-found-in-mlk-day-bomb-attempt/comment-page-1/#comment-281457 Ruslan Amirkhanov Sun, 17 Apr 2011 07:19:47 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=6184#comment-281457 As the CIA is a criminal organization, a fact well-established in its history, it does not matter if their lives were allegedly endangered. Manning followed his conscious against a murdering, criminal government. He will have to accept the the legal consequences of his actions, but we have to accept that he was right and demand an end to the atrocities he exposed. As the CIA is a criminal organization, a fact well-established in its history, it does not matter if their lives were allegedly endangered. Manning followed his conscious against a murdering, criminal government. He will have to accept the the legal consequences of his actions, but we have to accept that he was right and demand an end to the atrocities he exposed.

]]> By: Jordan http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/04/08/new-evidence-trove-found-in-mlk-day-bomb-attempt/comment-page-1/#comment-280888 Jordan Sat, 16 Apr 2011 05:56:59 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=6184#comment-280888 "Bradley Manning is a martyr to Truth and Honesty in government." I'm sorry, but as much as we don't like the seedy underworld of the spy game, there are some things that he put out which unnecessarily endanger the lives of covert operatives. I do think he deserves a trial, but the government certainly has evidence against him, he endangered the lives of countless operatives and the military personal in their care when he posted the locations of clandestine CIA outposts in the middle east. Spilling political secrets is one thing (that thing being 'not a crime'), but endangering the lives of not just U.S. but NATO and UN military and intelligence personnel is another matter all together. “Bradley Manning is a martyr to Truth and Honesty in government.” I’m sorry, but as much as we don’t like the seedy underworld of the spy game, there are some things that he put out which unnecessarily endanger the lives of covert operatives. I do think he deserves a trial, but the government certainly has evidence against him, he endangered the lives of countless operatives and the military personal in their care when he posted the locations of clandestine CIA outposts in the middle east. Spilling political secrets is one thing (that thing being ‘not a crime’), but endangering the lives of not just U.S. but NATO and UN military and intelligence personnel is another matter all together.

]]> By: swaneagle http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/04/08/new-evidence-trove-found-in-mlk-day-bomb-attempt/comment-page-1/#comment-280385 swaneagle Fri, 15 Apr 2011 16:45:05 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=6184#comment-280385 Sadly, the feds have called ELF and ALF terrorists, who have never killed anyone, yet have failed to refer to the white supremacists who have killed hundreds if not thousands (OK city bombing, etc.) as domestic terrorists. Seems corporations have more validity than those who are targets of the bigots. Sadly, the feds have called ELF and ALF terrorists, who have never killed anyone, yet have failed to refer to the white supremacists who have killed hundreds if not thousands (OK city bombing, etc.) as domestic terrorists. Seems corporations have more validity than those who are targets of the bigots.

]]> By: Snorlax http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/04/08/new-evidence-trove-found-in-mlk-day-bomb-attempt/comment-page-1/#comment-279773 Snorlax Thu, 14 Apr 2011 20:18:07 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=6184#comment-279773 These lone wolves are dangerous and need to be tracked down before they strike. We got lucky this time. Americans need to know that not all terrorists are from somewhere else. We have home-grown ones right here. These lone wolves are dangerous and need to be tracked down before they strike. We got lucky this time.

Americans need to know that not all terrorists are from somewhere else. We have home-grown ones right here.

]]> By: JK http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/04/08/new-evidence-trove-found-in-mlk-day-bomb-attempt/comment-page-1/#comment-279759 JK Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:56:56 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=6184#comment-279759 Concerned Citizen: Hapham has not had a trial yet. You do want that, don't you? The fact that he was seemingly smiling in his court hearing turned my stomach. 1) he got a court hearing; 2) he gets to show his face and get publicity. Bradley Manning, Wikileaks person, is in solitary being tortured at Quantico Marine Prison in Virginia and he hasn't got a chance in hell of having a court hearing because his charges would not hold up in court and the government knows this. And they probably don't want his face showing in a hearing because he's either all bruised up or so traumatized he physically couldn't stand up. So, a crackpot like Hapham makes me sick even if it isn't proven yet that he intended to murder a lot of people. Manning's not-crime was to release data that bureaucrats, presidents and military wanted kept secret because they are complicit in murders, torture, invasions, you name it, the Wikileaks are globally incriminating to power mongers worldwide. And they all want Julian Assange's neck. Bradley Manning is a martyr to Truth and Honesty in government. Concerned Citizen: Hapham has not had a trial yet. You do want that, don’t you?

The fact that he was seemingly smiling in his court hearing turned my stomach. 1) he got a court hearing; 2) he gets to show his face and get publicity.

Bradley Manning, Wikileaks person, is in solitary being tortured at Quantico Marine Prison in Virginia and he hasn’t got a chance in hell of having a court hearing because his charges would not hold up in court and the government knows this. And they probably don’t want his face showing in a hearing because he’s either all bruised up or so traumatized he physically couldn’t stand up.

So, a crackpot like Hapham makes me sick even if it isn’t proven yet that he intended to murder a lot of people. Manning’s not-crime was to release data that bureaucrats, presidents and military wanted kept secret because they are complicit in murders, torture, invasions, you name it, the Wikileaks are globally incriminating to power mongers worldwide. And they all want Julian Assange’s neck. Bradley Manning is a martyr to Truth and Honesty in government.

]]> By: Concerned Citizen http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/04/08/new-evidence-trove-found-in-mlk-day-bomb-attempt/comment-page-1/#comment-278163 Concerned Citizen Mon, 11 Apr 2011 15:15:35 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=6184#comment-278163 When will this cas ever end? Hapham got his deserves. Let's hope this will close the case. When will this cas ever end? Hapham got his deserves. Let’s hope this will close the case.

]]> By: Ruslan Amirkhanov http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/04/08/new-evidence-trove-found-in-mlk-day-bomb-attempt/comment-page-1/#comment-277605 Ruslan Amirkhanov Sun, 10 Apr 2011 18:29:01 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=6184#comment-277605 Damn, this guy got slapped down hard. What lesson can we take away from this? The law. Learn it. Damn, this guy got slapped down hard. What lesson can we take away from this? The law. Learn it.

]]> By: Reynardine http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/04/08/new-evidence-trove-found-in-mlk-day-bomb-attempt/comment-page-1/#comment-277421 Reynardine Sun, 10 Apr 2011 11:57:22 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=6184#comment-277421 Search warrants aren't needed for abandoned items or those in plain view, because there is no expectation of privacy in them. Search warrants aren’t needed for abandoned items or those in plain view, because there is no expectation of privacy in them.

]]> By: Ruslan Amirkhanov http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/04/08/new-evidence-trove-found-in-mlk-day-bomb-attempt/comment-page-1/#comment-277263 Ruslan Amirkhanov Sun, 10 Apr 2011 06:28:03 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=6184#comment-277263 Hey Mr. Rand, try this new thing all the kids are doing today, it's called reading: "Hatewatch has subsequently learned a search warrant wasn’t needed because the items were left as abandoned property in a remote area where firearms or homemade explosives could have been tested or assembled. The location was not far from the suspect’s home, sources said." When a person discards or abandons something in a place where they have no reasonable assumption of privacy, no warrant is needed. Hey Mr. Rand, try this new thing all the kids are doing today, it’s called reading:

“Hatewatch has subsequently learned a search warrant wasn’t needed because the items were left as abandoned property in a remote area where firearms or homemade explosives could have been tested or assembled. The location was not far from the suspect’s home, sources said.”

When a person discards or abandons something in a place where they have no reasonable assumption of privacy, no warrant is needed.

]]> By: Jordan http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/04/08/new-evidence-trove-found-in-mlk-day-bomb-attempt/comment-page-1/#comment-277218 Jordan Sun, 10 Apr 2011 04:58:34 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=6184#comment-277218 Jonas Rand, "Why did they not need a search warrant?" "...a search warrant wasn’t needed because the items were left as abandoned property in a remote area..." If evidence is left in the open, the police do not need a warrant to retrieve it. "And why are they hiding so much from the public? Yeah, it’s for our protection." No, it's for his protection, how can Harpham get a fair trial if every possible juror has already pre-emptively decided on the verdict? Jonas Rand,
“Why did they not need a search warrant?”
“…a search warrant wasn’t needed because the items were left as abandoned property in a remote area…” If evidence is left in the open, the police do not need a warrant to retrieve it.
“And why are they hiding so much from the public? Yeah, it’s for our protection.” No, it’s for his protection, how can Harpham get a fair trial if every possible juror has already pre-emptively decided on the verdict?

]]> By: Gregg http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/04/08/new-evidence-trove-found-in-mlk-day-bomb-attempt/comment-page-1/#comment-277153 Gregg Sun, 10 Apr 2011 02:10:16 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=6184#comment-277153 How about trying actually reading the article, Jonas? Your questions are answered there. But I guess they aren't the answers you want to hear. Hatewatch has subsequently learned a search warrant wasn’t needed because the items were left as abandoned property in a remote area where firearms or homemade explosives could have been tested or assembled. ... The potential of adding the civil rights enhancement to the indictment against Harpham may be the reason the Justice Department is keeping tight secrecy, hoping grand jury members don’t read or watch media accounts. How about trying actually reading the article, Jonas? Your questions are answered there. But I guess they aren’t the answers you want to hear.

Hatewatch has subsequently learned a search warrant wasn’t needed because the items were left as abandoned property in a remote area where firearms or homemade explosives could have been tested or assembled.

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The potential of adding the civil rights enhancement to the indictment against Harpham may be the reason the Justice Department is keeping tight secrecy, hoping grand jury members don’t read or watch media accounts.

]]> By: Jonas Rand http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/04/08/new-evidence-trove-found-in-mlk-day-bomb-attempt/comment-page-1/#comment-276579 Jonas Rand Sat, 09 Apr 2011 00:09:45 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=6184#comment-276579 Why did they not need a search warrant? Who are they, the Gestapo? And why are they hiding so much from the public? Yeah, it's for our protection. Keeping secrets is for our protection. <i>Right.</i> Why did they not need a search warrant? Who are they, the Gestapo? And why are they hiding so much from the public? Yeah, it’s for our protection. Keeping secrets is for our protection. Right.

]]> By: Barbara Kuhn http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/04/08/new-evidence-trove-found-in-mlk-day-bomb-attempt/comment-page-1/#comment-276513 Barbara Kuhn Fri, 08 Apr 2011 21:43:29 +0000 http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=6184#comment-276513 In the interest of fair trial and hearing, I would hope the defense team "would" rather than "likely" want its own scientific tests done. In the interest of fair trial and hearing, I would hope the defense team “would” rather than “likely” want its own scientific tests done.

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