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Race Continues to Dog Tea Party Representatives and Events

By Robert Steinback on May 16, 2011 - 2:15 pm, Posted in Anti-Black

And some folks still wonder why the Tea Party movement has a racial image problem.

In recent weeks, white separatists wrapped themselves in a Tea Party cloak and staged a rally in Orange County, Calif. An Ohio Tea Party group sued a city school district after officials canceled the appearance of a virulently anti-Muslim evangelist the group sponsored. And then, last week, a black Tea Party Nation commentator unleashed an acerbic verbal attack on “black race pimps” that would have made David Duke blush with pride.

Lloyd Marcus, who clearly relishes his role as a black Tea Party figure who can disparage black centrists and liberals in terminology all but the crudest of white extremists would take care to avoid publicly, launched a fresh offensive last Wednesday. His latest target: the black organization ColorOfChange.org, for its campaign to pressure two regulars on Donald Trump’s television show, “Celebrity Apprentice” – Star Jones and Lil Jon – to repudiate the prospective presidential candidate for what the group describes as “race-baiting” comments Trump has made regarding Barack Obama. (Full disclosure: The co-founder of ColorOfChange.org, James Rucker, is a member of the Southern Poverty Law Center’s board.)

In response to ColorOfChange.org, Marcus – a conservative who calls himself “a proud, unhyphenated American” – let loose with both rhetorical barrels. “Black ‘race pimps’ continue to despicably, without reservation, drive a wedge into the heart of national race relations,” he wrote in a commentary carried by the conservative website Renew America. “Whenever these black race pimps, including the Obama administration, find themselves on the losing end of an argument, they turn it into a racial issue branding the opposition racist.”

He went on: “In response to the uppity white boy [Trump], who dared question their king, a few black celebrities and black bullies disguised as ‘civil rights’ groups are calling Donald Trump a racist targeting him for destruction. So, are all of the other Americans curious about why Obama was not presenting his birth certificate racist as well? Will somebody please tell these black racist bullies to ‘stop it and get a life’?” [Second disclosure: Mark Potok, the white editor of this blog, was one of those who recently asserted that Trump was a racist.]

Even that might have barely passed the smell test, but then Marcus resorted to mocking black people who “sound smart.”

“I watched a black intellectual on TV shilling for Obama,” Marcus writes, not bothering to name the program or the individual. “He used a plethora of big words to cover the simple school yard truth that he was a black bully racist, committed to Obama no matter what. Sounding extremely intelligent, the black racist was spouting lies and illogical stupid conclusions. But man, did he sound ‘smart.’”

Ironically, while accusing the left of using Obama’s blackness as a kind of shield against criticism, Marcus uses his own blackness as cover for his notion that any defense of Obama is prima facie proof of black or leftist racism. “The Left exploits Obama’s black skin color as their ‘Weapon of Mass Intimidation’; a coat of armor insulating him from all opposition and reasonable critique,” Marcus wrote in March.

Even as Marcus argues that the Tea Party movement deserves the racial high ground, a racist organization staged a rally that sought to appropriate the tea party name. The American Third Position (A3P), a fledgling white-nationalist political party, on April 16 staged what was billed as a Tax Day Tea Party rally in San Juan Capistrano, Calif., featuring speeches by its own white-separatist founder and one of America’s leading Holocaust deniers.

A3P on its website took credit for arranging the rally, although it was done under the name of a newly formed astroturf group called the California Grassroots Alliance. The alliance has a web page at the site of TeaParty.org, once one of the more influential Tea Party coalitions, but which itself has been mired in allegations of racism against its founder, Dale Robertson. (Robertson once criticized Obama for spending a Memorial Day with “his homies in the Chicago hood … shooting hoops, smoking cigarettes”). Beyond that connection, it’s not clear if the Alliance has any authentic Tea Party ties. What it certainly lacks is clout: The rally drew a pathetic turnout – the local Orange County Register said 40 people attended, although a video of the event suggests even that might be a generous count.

There wasn’t anyone on the bill that day who didn’t have white supremacist pedigrees.

The marquee speaker was A3P founder William Johnson, who has advocated the wholesale forced deportation of non-whites, including American Indians, who lived on the continent for thousands of years before white Europeans arrived. At the rally, Johnson reaffirmed his support for a separate “white ethno-state,” but encouraged Tea Party supporters to welcome him anyway in their pursuit for a “revolution with love in it that can be peaceful.” Also featured was Mark Weber, who, along with British-born colleague David Irving, ranks among the world’s leading Holocaust deniers. Weber, who heads the Institute for Historical Review, spent most of his address railing against illegal immigration, but allowed his white separatist orientation to peek through, noting the “foolish lie” that “diversity is our strength.”

The white-nationalist hate group Council of Conservative Citizens (CCC) — the modern incarnation of the racist White Citizens Councils, which opposes all efforts “to mix the races of mankind” and has referred to blacks as a “retrograde species of humanity” — maintained a display table at the event. Entertainment was provided by Traven Tucker, described on the white racist website Stormfront.org as an “American white nationalist” performer. Tucker’s album Till the Day I Die featured a Confederate battle flag on its cover and included such songs as “Ain’t No Shame (Bein’a White Man),” described by a Stormfront commenter as “[a] fantastic song which rubbishes the liberal idea that to be proud of your heritage is shameful.

Also in April, four Mansfield, Ohio, mayoral candidates opted to forgo a debate sponsored by the Mansfield North Central Ohio Tea Party Association. The association in March had scheduled a presentation by Usama Dakdok, a stridently anti-Muslim Christian evangelical who has made such comments as “How can you be a Muslim and not be demonized?” and “There is no such thing as a loving Muslim.”

The Mansfield City School District canceled Dakdok’s presentation citing safety concerns. The Tea Party group, claiming the district violated public access rules, sued – prompting the mayoral candidates and the incumbent mayor to decline to attend its forum.

  • Guardian

    It really doesn’t bother me that the liberals label the tea party racist. The race card is always the last desperate act of those who have nothing else to fall back on.

    When it comes to the real argument all you get is, “Well, um, uh…you’re racist!”

    They cry “racist”, we hear “victory”.

  • skinnyminny

    Kathie,
    How are we supposed to know who you guys really are and what you’re about? At first, the teas were having ‘tax revolt days,’ then they started having angry extremist-like protests, then they started having anti-immigrant/anti-minority protests, and now they want to save the country from spending and how they spend ‘our and your money!’

    First off, as you said ‘our money,’ if it’s our money then why are the teas complaining about and targeting social programs? If you have seniors out there yelling, “don’t touch my medicare and social security, then why are those programs being targeted for deep cuts?

    If it’s our money, then why do the teas also have the NIMBY philosophy – meaning, the states want to release prisoners, cut fire/police/ambulance/teachers – but, again, ‘it’s our money’ but we lose these services while the teas demand that they don’t lose theirs, or they want us to pick up the tab with our money. The teas don’t want the homeless in their neighborhoods, neither do they want low-income housing in their neighborhoods. So, please, explain how this works – teas have tax revolt days and yell they are not paying for this and that, have non-profit organizations, pay less taxes than the poor due to loopholes, tax credits…and you are telling us it’s also your money?
    The teas complain that they don’t want Muslims building mosques in this country – which is something I find interesting because one of the planned mosque in Tennessee an American white male lost this property to foreclosure. I guess what I’m saying is, we are losing our shirts and pants due to things beyond our control – no one is looking out for us. Someone who could possibly upgrade the property and put it to good use is being turned away if they don’t fit a certain profile.

    While you’re at it, please explain the Keystone Tar Sands Pipeline – this will move more people off of their properties, and possibly poison water and land, all at the expense of, you’ve guessed it. Also, please explain how corporations are buying/sponsoring ads in national parks/public schools and saying ‘it is government speech?’

  • Leslie

    Kathie,

    Did you protest when George Bush lowered taxes and invaded two countries at the same time?
    And of course, you probably remember when Cheney said that “deficits don’t matter” to fiscal conservative Paul O’Neil, the Treasury Secretary who told Bush he couldn’t pay for two wars and cut taxes without sending the debt too high. BTW, Bush fired him for his conservative principles.

  • ruben

    to skinnyminny…..yes paranoid hate and scapegoating are as american as apple pie in the good’ol u.s ever since the arrival of the europeans.the funny thing is that franklin failed to realize that the anglo/saxons and the germans were and are the same people who in return are the ancestors of most of the people in the tea party and the white/right…but paranoid fear will always cloud your mind and if they can’t even get along amongst themselves there is no way that they will ever understand or trust someone who does not look like them.

  • Ruslan Amirkhanov

    First of all Dick, even some of my comments don’t make it past moderation some time. I don’t even think that many comment deletions are deliberate; there’s probably a huge list of them all the time, and many of them are probably racist trolls posting strings of profanity which need to be deleted in bulk.

    But from our last meeting it seems you don’t really engage in debate.

  • Kathie DelGuercio

    I organized a Tea Party. Don’t call me a racist. And don’t call other Tea Party members racists who are trying to save the very country that you live in too from bankruptcy. Someday, you’ll be praising the Tea Party for changing the way Washington, DC spends our – and YOUR – money! Until then, stop yelling “racist” without a good reason.

  • skinnyminny

    Ruben,
    I read an interesting piece called, “Immigrant bashing, 18th Century style,” on 5-21-2011 at hurry up harry dot org. It wrote that Benjamin Franklin said of Germans, “why should Pennsylvania, founded by the English, become a colony of Aliens, who will shortly be so numerous as to Germanize us instead of our Anglifying them, and will never adopt our language or customs, any more than they can acquire our complexion?” It cited “the Papers of Benjamin Franklin, Ed. Leonard W. Larabee, New Haven: Yale Univ. Press, 1959. vol 4:234
    Further, it wrote that the Germans were accused by other 18th Century Anglos of laziness, illiteracy, excessive fertility, and Catholicism.
    Just wanted to share that with you, because the writer of the article says this is a comparison of todays’ immigrants.

  • skinnyminny

    Dick Lancaster,
    I don’t think you are being censored. I lost a couple of comments, and so did Ruslan. I’ve noticed that after trying to post, the website screen went somewhere else.

  • Dick Lancaster

    I regret that I have been prevented from participating in this debate. The SPLC censors me when my comments expose their hypocris.y

  • ruben

    to scott…….the bottom line is that your tea party is filled with nothing but extremists……if you guys were muslim you would be the taliban or the muslim brother hood period….same extremist hate just different religion!.

  • Difluoroethene

    Well, the American Third Position claims to have acquired 600 more signatures than are necessary to get on West Virginia’s ballot for governor. They claim that the results (of whether A3P will get on the ballot or not) will be released within two weeks.

    If the A3P does get on the ballot, they could definitely play the role of a spoiler, though who they would take more votes away from is anyone’s guess (their anti-immigration schtick is more in line with the GOP, their stance on enviromental issues is more like that of the Democrats, and their stances on a few other issues don’t seem to align with either party). I hope West Virginia voters see through the A3P’s attempts to portray it as a populist advocate for the “little guy”; the A3P shouldn’t be allowed to get away with portraying itself as something other than the naked racist, anti-Semitic group that it is.

  • Scott

    The Scott before me is NOT me! That being said, I once again want to thank Ruslan for his amazing wit and knowledge of subjects he expounds on. It is ALWAYS quite entertaining.

    Those that defend Tea Partiers as not being racist seem to have forgotten what the Boston Tea Party actually was: an effort by white men to reduce their tax burden by cowardly portraying themselves as Native Americans so that the “Red man” would get the blame for dumping British tea.

    Also, as a Jewish son of a Holocaust survivor I will be first in line to help and defend any Muslim who may need it if this country becomes any more fascist than it already is.

    Never Again… to ANYONE.

  • Ruslan Amirkhanov

    Nope Scott, nobody’s lying. The Tea Party provides constant proof of its racist content,no matter how hard they try to cover this up.

  • Scott

    To all of you still screaming that the Tea Party movement is racist: YOU ARE LYING. And you know you are lying. Once again, the SPLC illustrates that they have squandered all the credibility they used to have.

  • skinnyminny

    Gonzo,
    I’ve asked the same questions of the anti-immigrant people that come here to post. I’ve also asked them why they are requiring, or making claims that spanish speaking immigrants must speak, or learn to speak English, when in fact, spanish is the predominant language in Puerto Rico. But hey, I guess you have to take into consideration that some of these people think that PR is not ours, just like some think that USVI (St Croix, St Thomas..) is not ours as well.

    I know that some are not aware of the history of PR, including the separation in the military based on skin color, the trickery/forced sterilization of women, and the history of Vieques…some probably haven’t had PR food, or heard PR music (wow, trust me, they don’t know what they are missing).

  • Ruslan Amirkhanov

    ” Why is that? Why does an organization support illegal immigration by calling those who are opposed to illegal immigration racist?”

    You didn’t care when the last president lied to Congress and the entire world to justify a war that claimed the lives of nearly one million people and is still costing hundreds of billions of dollars to this day. But you’re incredibly upset over people committing a federal misdemeanor? You have the 2nd lowest tax burden in the world, with the majority of that going to either social security or the ridiculously high “defense” budget.

  • ruben

    to american taxpayer…….the splc calls these EXTREMIST GROUPS RACIST BECAUSE THEY ARE!…..if it were up to the tea party haters all people of mexican decent no matter how many generations back have been u.s citizens would be rounded up and deported, never again would a black man or hispanic or any other person of color be allowed to be president…..and for the record every person of european decent in this country is the descended of an illegal immigrant living on land that was stolen and squatted.i am a american of mexican decent…i have belonged to an evangelical christian church my whole life and attend church on a regular basis and guess who i would rather turn my back to!….a muslim or a white right wing tea party type person?……THE MUSLIM!

  • Gonzo

    “American taxpayer”.. which laws are you refering to? The same ones that allow a Hispanic who makes it onto dry land to be able to stay legally? Siply because they came from Cuba? But if they are from Mexico they can’t? I am ALSO an American taxpayer (and based on my last couple of years, working may way into the upper 10% of that group), I simply want the government to reform immigration laws to simplify and make consistant who can come in and how.

    I ALSO have an issue when natural born, American citizens like myself who happen to be of Spanish ancestry have to be concerned about being attacked because of a presumption based SOLELY on my last name. And that happens.

    And the Tea Party is not being called racist because they want to have laws enforced, they are being called racist because of the views espoused by leaders of that movement are racist or they fail to condemn racist comments or acts by the membership.

  • American taxpayer

    The SPLC calls others racist who want the laws of the United States up held in relationship to immigration. Why is that? Why does an organization support illegal immigration by calling those who are opposed to illegal immigration racist? Their list of “hate groups” are those who do not support their agenda. Believe me they have an agenda and it’s not the agenda of the American taxpayers.

  • Sam Molloy

    I believe you, Ruslan. What I don’t know about Islam could fill a big book but I think people with defective hateful brains can use bits and pieces of any religion to justify the evil within themselves.

  • Jim Staples

    I support Barack Obama (in ways most will never know!), and I DO NOT think he, or his campaigners, deserve to be called out like that; BUT I will say, after being told – by a “black, racist, playground bully” – that, “WE like it when white Boys BETRAY the KKK, ’cause if the KKK ain’t there to defend you, then we can DO WHATEVER WE WANT TO, TO YOU”, that this kind’a jerk-ish brother DOES have something of a Point!!!
    But then….sometimes Black Folk are their Own Worst Enemies!
    I got a Right to that Opinion – as I Really Did “betray” the Austin Texas Klan, and the ‘pay back’ has been a Bi*ch!

  • skinnyminny

    Difluoroethene,
    No matter what Satoshi Kanzawa say as a hater, it’s not true. I’m thinking maybe he was rejected by a black woman. One thing about black women, most, if not all, are very straight forward on whether they date outside of their race. I find it interesting that most guys like this have secret relationships and/or children with black women. Make no mistake in the matter, you will see some black women with men from all ethnic groups, yet, rarely see them with an Asian. I won’t get into the details or specifics about this, but, most have a definite reason why.

    And it is also interesting that these guys will say that black women are unattractive, but, you will see them wishing they had a chance with people like Halle Berry, Beyonce, Christina Millian, singer Chilli & Amerie, even Rihanna, Keri Hilson, and Sade.

    Besides, how do you think most of the mixed blacks came into being during slavery, just look to Arnold! Sorry, just had to put that in there.

  • skinnyminny

    Kristie Johnson,
    Wow! Do you honestly think we should believe that there are many happy black Tea Party members? Didn’t the black tea party rep in Arizona recently step down due to racial intimidation/threats (this allegedly happened immediately after the Arizona shooting involving Loughner)? Isn’t it true, that West out of Florida also received threats?
    Oh, and you have Mr. Cain to brag about – wow, former head of Godfather Pizza. Well, Cain happens to be anti-muslim…

    So, here, I will ask you, please explain the difference of being a tea party member and muslim extremist. I’ve seen the signs that muslim extremists hold up with hateful signs towards the U.S. and burning of flags, then, on the other hand, I see the signs of the tea party groups holding up hateful signs about our Pres, and every now and then complain about paying taxes. Now, what I see and believe they both have in common, both are very angry and both have signs about our Pres. and they both appear to be anti…
    So please, explain the difference. I know the similarities, and I see no difference.

  • Todd

    This is a half black thing right?

  • Ruslan Amirkhanov

    Ok for whatever reason(probably because it’s not the topic), they didn’t post my response to Ms. Johnson, but I refuted her claims about (5:72, 5:73 and 47:4) in the Quran, by using an incredible technique known as Google plus reading. Anyone else can do the same. The first two have nothing to do with executing or beheading anyone, it is referring to the punishment in hell in the same terminology that the Quran typically uses on that subject. 47:4 refers to Muslim’s in a state of war and other verses state that they are forbidden to be aggressors.

    Obviously, one can dispute that historically but are twisting or violating holy texts for political reasons exclusive to Islam? Absolutely not.

  • Miguel

    “It is interesting that you say you do not wish to debate Qur’anic theology when it is exactly the subject which Usama Dakdok speaks on.”

    It’s also not the topic of this article. Why are you so desperate to change the topic?

  • Sam Molloy

    I am a Christian but I really like Buddhist ideas of simplicity and respect for life. And I don’t think they have a “nut wing”. Oh, and @ Katie Johnson, I have noticed that jobs make people feel better about themselves and welfare programs tend to lead to more welfare programs. I have often wondered, for about the same amount of money, couldn’t they give every man woman child and undocumented person that shows up say, 50 bucks a week in basic food stamps, with no questions asked, if they fire all those social workers?

  • Gonzo

    Ms. Johnson,
    I have heard many “ex….(fill in the blank with a religion of your choice)” who make all kinds of claims about that relgiion. Were I to believe them all, I would be forced to lead the world to thermo-nuclear destruction for the safety of all! As it stands….Christians are no worse than Muslims are no worse than Jews are no worse than Buddhists are no worse than Pagans are no worse than…(get the idea?).

    The fact is SOME Muslims are bad. So are SOME Christians, SOME Jews, Some Pagans, etc. I can find plenty of hate in the Christian Bible (and using only the New Testament to avoid any claims of “that is the OLD Jewsih writings!”).

    And..before you ask…I have read the Quran and the Hadith (both in the original Arabic form), the Torah, and the Christian Bible. I am NOT a Muslim (far from it), but a person who is obsessed with learning and understanding others. I have been called “anti-American” by Tea Partiers because I don’t agree with many of their rants….yet, unlike MOST of the Tea Party (like MOST of the US), I served and defended this nation for 20+ years. I have traveled the world and seen “those people” in their homes and learned of their cultures. And I have found…”they” almost always have the same concenrs, hopes and dreams we do. As such, I find groups like the Tea Party to be a bigger threat to the US than groups like Al Qaida (who while they are a threat, they are a known group and tracked…unlike the Tea Party who can do more damage from within).

  • Kristie Johnson

    Thanks for your reply, Mr Steinbeck,
    It is interesting that you say you do not wish to debate Qur’anic theology when it is exactly the subject which Usama Dakdok speaks on. It is the area of his expertise and the subject of all his public speaking. You clearly indicated that the Mansfield Tea Party was racist for having him come to speak about Islam. You are right to be dubious about anyone claiming all knowledge about Islam. But please recognize that Usama Dakdok speaks, reads and writes Arabic and has studied Sharia (Islamic Law) in college in Egypt. He has translated the Qur’an to an accurate English translation. He has studied the Muslim scholars (in Arabic) to understand what they say. He has studied the Hadith and was educated in school in Egypt as to what Islam teaches. There may be a hundred ways you may interprete Islam, Mr. Steinbeck. But I for one, want to hear from someone who has more than his opinion to present on the subject on Islam. There is a reason that Muslim terrorists are making all of us afraid.
    Mr. Dakdok risks his life everyday to speak out on this subject. You should hear him first hand, for your self, before you make up your mind based on one comment he may, or may not have made.

    I have known Mr. Dakdok personally for many years and I know that if he did say that, it was in a particular context that you have not presented here. For example, Mr. Dakdok may have been referring to the teaching of the Muslims which says that Allah can not be called a god of love because the Qur’an does not teach he is a god of love. The teaching of the Qur’an to kill Christians and Jews by beheading them (5:72, 5:73 and 47:4) means that one cannot practice the teaching of the Qur’an and be loving. But it is also true that English is not his first language and at times he speaks in hyperbole that is not always understood as such. I have heard him say that if you are a Muslim (meaning a follower of Mohammed and the teaching of the Qur’an) you must be demonized, one who is possessed by the devil. Well, do you, Robert, think a normal loving person can carry out a beheading of an innocent person? Or fly an airplane into building killing thousands of strangers? What about stoning your own daughter to death for adultery? These acts create an inhumane and cruel personality. The Bible says demonic, possessed by evil. You call it what you will, the Qur’an and Islam teaches it.

    It is also true that many, so called Muslims, do not even know the teachings of the Qur’an. By educating them about these things which are in the Qur’an, many have renounced its teachings and left Islam. “We love the Muslim people. We hate Islam (the teaching of the Qur’an which includes Jihad, killing of infidels, etc, and the teachings of Mohammed which includes child marriages, abuse of women, etc),” Usama Dakdok.

    Thank you for you time. I hope you will post my comments. But more than that I hope you take the time to talk to Mr Dakdok, or hear him for yourself.

  • Ruslan Amirkhanov

    ” Yes that is true. Many of the Black Tea Party members feel intimidated by people like you who imply the Tea Party is racist.”

    Really? I thought it had something to do with the numerous instances of blatant racism coming from Tea Partiers. Then there’s this guy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....g&

    “. So I guess your doing your job promoting tolerance by stirring up hatred of the Tea Party?”

    Oh yes, I love my work.

    ” I guess you would be surprised that many in the Tea Party love Herman Cain and Allen West? Or will you call them ugly names as is done to any Black Conservative.”

    Yes, if you have a handful of black folks, you can’t possibly be racist. It’s just like how Nazi Germany had some people of 1/2 Jewish ancestry in its top ranks(e.g. Erich von Manstein and Erhard Milch), so they couldn’t have been anti-Semitic.

    ” Be honest. The real agenda is against the ideals of freedom and self reliance that made America great. ”

    Freedom? For whom, to do what? And self-reliance? No. Sorry but even in the days of pioneer families, they depended on the government. In fact, pioneer families in many ways depended on the US government more than modern families, as it was the US government which granted them land either for free or sold to them cheaply at a loss. They also depended on the US military for protection. In pioneer times families could not be self-reliant and instead the whole community had to pull together for survival. There were times when this meant that tools and certain resources were used in common, and did not belong to any one family privately. This mode of living is also known as communism.

    “The hope of those who hate the Tea Party is to create more dependence on government hand outs, increasing poverty, and ignorance.”

    There’s a lot that can be said here but I’ll simplify it by saying that states with higher welfare benefits have fewer people on welfare and for shorter periods of time. If social welfare schemes cause poverty and ignorance you’re going to have a VERY difficult time explaining why countries like Norway, Denmark, Sweden, and Finland have far better standards of living than the US, and much better health statistics- as all of these countries have much higher taxes and spend a lot of that money on social welfare programs including real universal health care coverage.

    ” It seems Liberals need mindless voters filled with hate for capitalism and hate for fellow Americans who are trying to save our freedoms.”

    Liberals by definition do not hate capitalism; in fact the ideology of liberalism traces back to the dawn of capitalism. If you support capitalism and the American system you are by definition a “liberal”. As to freedoms, what freedoms have been lost? The freedom of a woman to get an abortion with full privacy? The freedom to smoke some marijuana in one’s own home? The freedom for gay people to get married? Are those freedoms that the Tea Party is trying to fight for?

    ” Many think Liberals care about the poor. But they promote programs that have made million inherit poverty through Social Servie programs that only enrich government workers by keeping a large supply of customers for their useless programs.”

    Sorry but there is no data to back up this claim. Even on the surface it is ludicrous. Were it true those Scandinavian countries I mentioned should be languishing in poverty.

    While they were alone insufficient, the programs of the Great Society did lead to a decrease in poverty.

    “I always hope I will be proven wrong about this. After 20 plus years working with those in poverty (yes Conservatves care about the poor) I see this as a pattern of engined dependency.”

    On an anecdotal level this might seem true, but history and sociology show otherwise. All of the sociological facts I have mentioned thus far can be found along with data in The Way We Never Were by Stephanie Coontz.

    “You know this how? You did not give me a verse from the Qur’an to prove this.”

    Simple. I have a Quran, Yusef Ali, and I have also read commentary on the Quran by Islamic scholars which anyone can do online. The burden of proof is not on me to provide a verse that proves something is not in the Quran.

    ” Have you studied the Qur’an? Unless you are Muslim how do you know?”

    You don’t need to be Muslim to read the Quran. Those who claim the Quran promotes violences typically quote a few key verses, the same every time. What they don’t tell you is that the revelation in question refers to a very specific situation which the Muslims were facing at that time in their conflict with the pagan Meccans who were persecuting them. According to Islam, Mohammed up to that point knew no sanction for violence even in self-defense(which is why he was once personally beaten and berated by one of his pagan opponents before he left Mecca). The verse that is always quoted refers to what the Muslims were supposed to do in that situation where war with the Meccans was looming over them.

    Of course the answer to Islamic commentary will always be that these Imams must be lying, and that their religion commands them to lie to protect the faith. But this tactic is not new at all. It is used by anti-Semites who try to convict Jews via the Talmud. Any time a Rabbi explains what something really means(sometimes common sense makes it clear), they’ll claim he is lying according to his religion’s orders. It’s a catch 22 situation.

  • ruben

    the tea party is just the ss branch of the republican party….the die hard goons who will do anything to keep the u.s government and demographics white and to the hard right…..any person of color that has any type of prominence politically they will try to destroy.there ultimate goal would be to restore america to the way it was in the 1920′s when white males had complete control and minorities and any one who opposed there points of view were quickly crushed under there heels of oppression.

  • http://splcenter.org Robert Steinback

    To Kristie Johnson,

    It is not SPLC’s intention or place to debate Koranic theology. Personally, however, I am dubious of anyone who claims absolutely perfect understanding of any ancient holy text, as all such texts have been subjected to intense study, debate, interpretation, annotation and evolving application to an ever-changing world. You certainly are entitled to your belief that Usama Dakdok “preaches the truth about Islam,” but I am inclined to regard that as “the truth as you see it.”

    This much is clear, however: The quotes attributed to Dakdok in the post are accurate, and as the writer of the piece, I have come across no material about Dakdok to suggest that those comments do not accurately represent his overall view of Muslims and Islam. To say that there are “no loving Muslims” among nearly 1.6 billion Muslims worldwide is a slander that would make any reasonable person question the “truth” of Dakdok’s viewpoints.

    Robert Steinback
    Deputy Editor, Hatewatch blog
    SPLC

  • Kristie Johnson

    To Ruslan Amirkhanov
    You said of the Tea Party:
    “They tend to be overwhelmingly white, a fact confirmed by numerous studies.” Yes that is true. Many of the Black Tea Party members feel intimidated by people like you who imply the Tea Party is racist. It is your type of commentary and this article that keeps minorities from joining the Tea Party. So I guess your doing your job promoting tolerance by stirring up hatred of the Tea Party? I guess you would be surprised that many in the Tea Party love Herman Cain and Allen West? Or will you call them ugly names as is done to any Black Conservative. Be honest. The real agenda is against the ideals of freedom and self reliance that made America great. The hope of those who hate the Tea Party is to create more dependence on government hand outs, increasing poverty, and ignorance. It seems Liberals need mindless voters filled with hate for capitalism and hate for fellow Americans who are trying to save our freedoms. Many think Liberals care about the poor. But they promote programs that have made million inherit poverty through Social Servie programs that only enrich government workers by keeping a large supply of customers for their useless programs. Is this by design or stupidity?
    I always hope I will be proven wrong about this. After 20 plus years working with those in poverty (yes Conservatves care about the poor) I see this as a pattern of engined dependency.
    You said of Usama Dakdok:
    “And he’s a liar. Would you believe a radical Islamic imam who preaches against Christianity and then says that Christians are “victims” of Christianity?”
    You are quick to call him a liar. Your comparison here shows your ignorance is too great for you to know the truth or err of his words.
    You said of my comment that Islam teaches world domination through violence:
    “No it doesn’t actually.”
    You know this how? You did not give me a verse from the Qur’an to prove this. Have you studied the Qur’an? Unless you are Muslim how do you know?

  • Kristie Johnson

    You can check out Usama Dakdok’s website for yourself.

    http://www.thestraightway.org

    Anyone who doubts what he says can read the Qur’an for themselves and see if what he says is true.
    It is easy to talk out of ignorance. It is something else to respond to the truth.

  • Ruslan Amirkhanov

    ” The Tea Party has members of every race because it promotes freedom and truth.”

    They tend to be overwhelmingly white, a fact confirmed by numerous studies. And “truth”? No.

    ” The Nazi Party was the National Socialist Workers Party. The Tea Party is anti-socialism, anti-facism, and anti-communitist.”

    Oh yes, the name of a party is so incredibly important. That’s why one of Russia’s most right-wing, nationalist parties is called the Liberal Democrat Party.

    The Tea Party can preach against fascism all they like, the fact is if we analyze the history of fascist movements and their message, we find an agreement with the values of the Tea Party on many points. That is what is important, not the historical name of a party.

    ” Islam is a religion with a political agenda.”

    And evangelical Christians in America don’t have a political agenda, and never try to impose their values via legislation. Right. And its not like politics in Europe were ever dominated by the church for a few hundred years at least.

    “Its goal to dominate the world and remove all individual freedoms by imposing Shariah, Islamic Law. The Qur’an teaches that violence against those who resist is ordered by Allah.”

    No it doesn’t actually.

    “Usama Dakdok is an African, born in a Muslim country. You should hear his message before you dismiss it out of ignorance. He does not preach against Muslims because, “they are victims of Islam” to quote Usama. Mr Dakdok preaches the truth about Islam and its violent goals and bloody history all which stem from Muhammed and the Qur’an.”

    And he’s a liar. Would you believe a radical Islamic imam who preaches against Christianity and then says that Christians are “victims” of Christianity?

  • Kristie Johnson

    I cannot believe the ignorance of the comments here. For that matter it is hard to believe that an educated person would write such a bias and slanted article unless it was deliberately done to mislead. The Tea Party has members of every race because it promotes freedom and truth. You have obviously tried to incorporate every racist hate group and even the Nazis into the Tea Party. This is ridiculous and a lie. The Nazi Party was the National Socialist Workers Party. The Tea Party is anti-socialism, anti-facism, and anti-communitist. Islam is a religion with a political agenda. Its goal to dominate the world and remove all individual freedoms by imposing Shariah, Islamic Law. The Qur’an teaches that violence against those who resist is ordered by Allah. Usama Dakdok is an African, born in a Muslim country. You should hear his message before you dismiss it out of ignorance. He does not preach against Muslims because, “they are victims of Islam” to quote Usama. Mr Dakdok preaches the truth about Islam and its violent goals and bloody history all which stem from Muhammed and the Qur’an. Do some research into this issue. God save America from fools who would throw their freedom away by accepting Islam as a friend and the Tea Party as hateful.

  • Reynardine

    I am always puzzled by these notions of “objective attractiveness” in women, in all events. Some “scientists” have even reduced it to mathematical formulae, which they assert is invariable through the ages. Even the most cursory study of world art refutes that. Nonetheless, the idea that either women, or human beings in general, must conform to a rigid type to be acceptable is linked to racism and the more sinister side of eugenics both.

  • Difluoroethene

    I wonder if any of these Third Position types are fans of Satoshi Kanazawa? He’s Asian (at least judging by his name), but on the other hand he often parrots many of the same talking points that white nationalists and supremacists are known for, including his recent article in Psychology Today in which he claimed that black women were “objectively less attractive”: http://www.salon.com/news/race.....attractive

    In other words, old-fashioned 19th century racist science gussied-up and coated with 21st century varnish.

    He’s also claimed that atheists and white people have higher IQ and that black people’s IQ’s are lower. And to think he’s probably the only “evolutionary psychologist” many people have ever heard of (Kevin MacDonald, the scientific anti-Semite, works in the same field). Are all evolutionary psychologists like this?

  • Novoline

    “Let’s not forget where the Nazis considered Jews to be a race worthy of contempt and discrimmination as much as a religion.”
    Perfect example!

  • http://theblogthatam.yolasite.com/blog.php IludiumPhosdex

    Let’s not forget where the Nazis considered Jews to be a race worthy of contempt and discrimmination as much as a religion.

    And doesn’t the notion of a “white ethno-state” rank up there with the Volkstaat movement among certain unreconstructed, detached-from-reality Afrikaners in post-apartheid South Africa?

  • skinnyminny

    I said it was going to happen! I wrote a comment here, not sure if it was last year, or the year before – that these type groups, not sure if to label them facists/neo-Nazis or whatever, that they were trying to start RAHOWA and ‘take over the world.’

    I know that it sounded a little weird, but, again, if you look at the travels between here and the EU, look at the news, and events of more discrimination…it is happening.

    I specifically wrote that the game plan was to run on a platform in order to get minorities to vote against their own interest, by making minorities think that particular candidate was for them.

  • Difluoroethene

    The American Third Position is trying to get one of their guys on the ballot for Governor in West Virginia, but so far he hasn’t yet appeared on the Secretary of State’s website despite claiming to have submitted enough signatures.

    One thing especially dangerous about those guys is their ability to come up with innocuous-sounding names for their groups (“American Third Position” and “California Grassroots Alliance”), names which by themselves give no indication to the average voter what their actual racist policies are. This is something they share in common with the Council of Conservative Citizens (whose innocuous name duped several mainstream conservatives, including Bob Barr, into speaking at their rallies without realizing that it was a racist group).

  • Sam Molloy

    I repeat: The Tea Party today and the Nazi Party in 1932 have a whole lot in common.

  • A.D.M.

    Also, let’s not forget something else: an Asian country called Indonesia in the East Indies has the largest amount of Muslims in the world.

  • Ruslan Amirkhanov

    Islam is not a race but when Islamophobes speak about Islam 90% of the time it always comes with a racial stereotype, usually in connection with Arabs despite the fact that they are a minority of Muslims. For example at one anti-Muslim event cataloged by this site, a woman was shouting “GO BACK TO THE DESERT!” While Islam did indeed emerge from Arabia and the desert, Islam rapidly spread to some very different climes. An Islamic state was founded in north-central Russia in 922 CE, and Islam also spread to the Siberian Khanate as well.

  • Ian

    Why does Marcus put “race pimps” and “Weapon of Mass Indimidation” in quotation marks? Are there civil rights leaders out there who call themselves “race pimps” and say they use “Weapons of Mass Indimidation”?

    “And some folks still wonder why the Tea Party movement has a racial image problem. [...] Ohio Tea Party group sued a city school district after officials canceled the appearance of a virulently anti-Muslim evangelist the group sponsored.”
    Islam is not a race.