Comments on: Anti-Gay Group Decides Slave Children Weren’t Really Better Off

By: MrsCaptJack

MrsCaptJack — Sat, 16 Jul 2011 21:32:56 +0000

Ruslan ~ Many of us succeed in spite of either parent. I couldn’t wait for my parents to divorce. After that, I was constantly kicked out of the house for not waiting hand and foot on this woman who claimed I owed her my soul for giving me life.

The plain fact of this Marriage Vow is that it stinks to high heaven. Its creators got so pleased with themselves they demonstrated their true colours by referencing slavery as a jolly good time for black families.

Let’s not even begin to go down the road on how allowing same sex marriage is going to create more VD. How does that work? Two people get married, never stray and voila here’s some VD? I know tons of gay couples that have been together for decades. Would that we could all marry and be so happy.

By: Ruslan Amirkhanov

Ruslan Amirkhanov — Fri, 15 Jul 2011 14:26:43 +0000

“The point of the comparison is that our culture has deteriorated to the point where black children are more likely to be born without an intact family than they were under the most shameful slavery period.”

Problems:

1. Your claim is historically false; slave “families” could be broken up at any time, and masters and overseers could have their way with female slaves as they pleased.

2. The assumption is that living in an “intact” two-parent family is so positive that it can be considered as equally if not more important than being considered a human being.

The idea that being raised in a two parent family is so important is demonstrably false. Many children of “intact” homes go on to become complete screw-ups, while many raised by single parents go on to succeed.

The other problem is the statement says nothing about the reason for out-of-wedlock births- black fertility amongst married women decreased radically beginning in the 1970s. Hence more babies were born to single women, not married, proportionately.

The morons who wrote the statement assume that the problems of the black community are due to family structure, when in fact the problems which exist among black families are a direct result of economic conditions, many of which were never in their control to begin with.

But that would involve looking at facts, and we know how much conservatives hate that.

By: A.D.M.

A.D.M. — Fri, 15 Jul 2011 14:22:11 +0000

Ranger G, you’re crazy. Putting the whole debate about abortion aside since that’s not what this topic is about, this vow was saying black kids were better off under slavery. Slavery is not a good thing, no better how you spin it. Shame on you for trying to spin this bulls–t.

By: Sam Molloy

Sam Molloy — Fri, 15 Jul 2011 05:59:43 +0000

The Bible does not “condone” slavery. Old testament Joseph was sold into slavery and ended up running the place because he had faith. It does say if you are a slave, try and make the best of it. It’s still written for us because it’s estimated there are thousands of actual slaves in modern day America, and I don’t mean mallrats or credit card victims, I mean locked up and forced to pick tomatoes or be prostitutes.

By: Ranger G

Ranger G — Fri, 15 Jul 2011 04:21:34 +0000

The point of the comparison is that our culture has deteriorated to the point where black children are more likely to be born without an intact family than they were under the most shameful slavery period. The reaction of the left, including SPLC, tracks precisely the reaction of New Yorkers to billboards telling the truth–that the most dangerous environment for a black baby in NYC is the womb–and that reaction was to suppress the billboards rather than work on the deadly problem that was exposed. Shame on SPLC for fostering such absolute nonsense.

By: Sharon Gibson

Sharon Gibson — Thu, 14 Jul 2011 21:46:35 +0000

Oh, I forgot- “misconstrued” Do they really think it wouldn’t be taken the way it was and how stupid do think we are for not taking offense.<<

I can't believe that they are so ignorant that they would come up with this tortured take on slavery in the first place.

By: Emma

Emma — Thu, 14 Jul 2011 21:16:23 +0000

Exchange black for Jew and what do you have? One more case of rabid crazy people taking over a nation.

By: JH Robbins

JH Robbins — Thu, 14 Jul 2011 20:20:34 +0000

So now that the pledge has been altered, does that mean that Bachmann, Santorum, et al will need to initial these changes? heh

By: Charles Dan Austin

Charles Dan Austin — Thu, 14 Jul 2011 19:57:51 +0000

One of the things that I enjoyed growing up in the fifties and sixties was the weekly publication of the Congress of Racial Equality which was an education in itself. Many of the best writers opf the day such as W.E. B. Dubois appeared in its pages and to discuss African American history and the impact of the dependency of slavery being carried on into the Southern Jim Crow Laws that sprang up in the 1870’s and continued for another 90 years. Thankfully Presidents Kennedy and Johnson perservered and enacted the badly needed Civil Rights laws of the 1960’s. Slavery retarded our counntry and largely because the Protestant Christian South saw the issue of race superiority to be a religious one and a state right. They were wrong then and they continue to ber wrong today. Thankfully there are wondderful people like Morris Dees to continue the fight for equality and dignity.

By: Martha W

Martha W — Thu, 14 Jul 2011 18:23:50 +0000

Oh, I forgot- “misconstrued” Do they really think it wouldn’t be taken the way it was and how stupid do think we are for not taking offense.

By: Martha W

Martha W — Thu, 14 Jul 2011 18:22:15 +0000

I was seriously taken aback that this would come, even from this group, which, I’m sorry to say is based in Iowa. Believe me, many Iowans do not support this group’s mission. Vander Plaats did indeed lead the effort to oust 3 Iowa Supreme Court judges over their decision about the state’s law allowing same gender couples to marry. What should be promoted is children being raised by healthy parents, regardless of race, economics, faith or sexual orientation. Lots of children are abused, neglected and killed by heterosexual and white parents and lots of children are raised well by people of color, unmarried, poor or GLBT. STD’s happen in white marriages.

By: Terry Washington

Terry Washington — Thu, 14 Jul 2011 18:10:54 +0000

How can even conservatives seriously asserted that black families “were better off under slavery”??? Let’s see being stripped of culture and religion, treated little better than chattel,having families broken up at the drop of a hat,not even being allowed to have last names(why else do so many African Americans have last names like Jefferson, Lincoln, Washington et al) or to marry-whoever made such a claim deserves to be driven out of polite society at the very least!

By: Clay Williams

Clay Williams — Thu, 14 Jul 2011 17:44:09 +0000

When I told my brother about “The Marriage Vow” and its content/comments, he was livid! His comment: “Many ‘good’ christians seem to have forgotten (if they ever knew or cared) that Slaves were routinely hanged, castrated, horse-whipped and tortured and the women raped…and nothing was done about it!” Seems to me that those responsible for The Marriage Vow should return to the classroom and brush-up on their history! And no, my brother and me are not black. We are proud Native Americans of the Cherokee tribe, eastern band!

By: A Walkaway

A Walkaway — Thu, 14 Jul 2011 16:10:46 +0000

The sad thing is that these people believe that since the Bible condones slavery, slavery is therefore OK. (I’ve heard and read their stupid arguments about “Bible-based slavery.) The scary fact is that the people behind this are dominionists, and dominionism has been demonstrated to have racist anti-civil rights roots. Indeed, the movement is racist and bigoted to the core.

Funny, but the Bible also prescribes an abortifacient for jealousy. Yet they’re hostile to abortions. (Yes, I know the trolls will try to argue that it’s really not that, but if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck…)

By: Chuck Mielke

Chuck Mielke — Thu, 14 Jul 2011 15:54:35 +0000

Amazing yet instructive. The reference to slavery was clearly an attempted smash against Obama and his policies, but “too many” responded to the blatant racism and historical revisionism of the absurd claim, so it was retracted. Can we call this one a game that the ultra-right “christians” didn’t win?

By: Mitch Beales

Mitch Beales — Wed, 13 Jul 2011 19:59:55 +0000

The so called Christians who support these “pro-family” organizations have always believed in marriage between one woman and one massa. In my opinion they should all be sold south.

By: skinnyminny

skinnyminny — Wed, 13 Jul 2011 07:09:59 +0000

I find a lot of fault with this TFL pledge. I mean, really, lots of fault. Here are some of the things they could add to not make this sound so discriminatory –
They can make sure that their husbands not have sex outside of marriage, i.e., seeking prostitutes, banging the maid-or other household help like Arnold did, and the sex tourism of underage children…that means their wives need to stay home, lay off the anti-anxiety pills and alcohol and raise their own kids. That also means stop putting elder parents in rest and senior citizen homes.

They need to tell law enforcement to not act like quick-draw mcgraw’s when dealing with black men on the street. They also need to stop printing documents and stories that black women are the most unattractive in the world – and that black men are the most violent in the world. They need to stop this nonsense that looks is the most important thing in the world – I’ll use this is an example, Jen Anniston, Jen Love Hewitt is pretty but can’t keep a good relationship going. So, again, just because something looks good on the outside doesn’t mean they are marriage or relationship material. I mean if looks are so important, and everyone has to be so perfect, then, I’m not sure what’s going to happen to a lot of the vets coming back with visible injuries that will need all the support and love they can get, in addition to the people that had some other misfortune or was born disabled.

By: Reynardine

Reynardine — Wed, 13 Jul 2011 04:29:06 +0000

Allowing same-sex marriage would lead to more VD? Then allowing any kind of marriage leads to more VD. Monogamy at all leads to more VD. These people are proposing a social agenda that leads to VD. Shame on them.