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Judge Ignores ‘Martian law,’ Tosses ‘Sovereign Citizen’ Into Slammer
This Georgia judge had heard just about enough nonsense from a “sovereign citizen” charged in a scheme to steal a house.
Rockdale County Superior Court Judge David Irwin repeatedly advised Akeem Kwame – a self-described “Moorish national” charged with mortgage fraud for falsely claiming ownership of a house in Conyers, Ga. – to get a lawyer or accept a public defender.
And Kwame repeatedly rejected that advice. It was time for trial.
“It’s a simple question,” Irwin told Kwame on Monday, according to the Rockdale News. “Are you ready for trial, yes or no? It’s a yes or no. After that you may explain.”
Sovereign citizens are not given to straight answers. They believe they are not subject to government or law enforcement authority, and typically rely on convoluted, often incomprehensible pseudo-legal gobbledygook to assert their immunity. Moorish nationals are sovereigns who claim to be members of an indigenous black tribe independent of U.S. jurisdiction.
“Judge, I conditionally accept your offer to continue this once I am presented with the documentation so I can inspect any accusatory original instruments for my inspection,” replied Kwame, 48, also known as Gregory Ross of Covington, Ga.
Annoyed by Kwame’s non-answer, Irwin tossed the suspect – who had been free on bond pending trial – into a holding cell to ponder his options. A few hours later, the judge offered Kwame one last chance to request an attorney – and made clear he’d had it with the legal shenanigans.
“As far as the Moor Nations, or Martian law, we’re going to go on Georgia law,” Irwin said. “As based upon the Georgia statutes, as done by the Georgia Legislature, you have a right to a trial on those issues. That’s it. I’m not doing Moorish law. … I’m not doing paper law. I’m doing Georgia law. … I have given you opportunities, I have given you offers, and you have refused. … You’re not free to go. A jury will be picked for you today.”
Kwame seemed bewildered. “You’re placing the occupant of the executor office of the Akeem Kwame [trust] in custody? Is that what you’re saying?”
“I’m going to place Akeem Kwame and anybody else that doesn’t respond [in custody]. Your imaginary friend. You and the Grand Poobah of the Moor Nation if that happens to be you. ”
Asked if he understood his constitutional right to a lawyer, Kwame told Irwin, “I waive those constitutional rights because that Constitution is not in my jurisdiction. I am an American foreign national. I am not an American citizen.”
After a few more minutes of this, an exasperated Irwin finally ordered Kwame taken to jail and canceled the trial until the state could do a psychological evaluation.
“That is not my wish today, judge,” Kwame said as he was being escorted away. “Let the record reflect, I did not give the court jurisdiction to take me into custody against my free will ….”
on July 20th, 2011 at 5:23 pm
That does not seem like a non-answer. Couldn’t the judge have provided the documentation that Kwame wanted to begin the proceedings?
on July 20th, 2011 at 8:05 pm
Wow. That is some pretty impressive obfuscatory language. Total bunkem, but impressive nonetheless.
on July 20th, 2011 at 8:40 pm
Oh well, another one bites the dust. Another enemy combatant. I’d say throw them all in Guantanamo Bay.
on July 21st, 2011 at 9:31 am
He said that he waived his Constitutional rights for access to a lawyer. If he really is a sovereign citizen free from all government laws and rights, then what would happen to his freedom of speech?
on July 21st, 2011 at 10:26 am
Perhaps these “sovereign citizens” need to be deported back to their own countries as “illegal immigants”!
on July 21st, 2011 at 10:33 am
can this guy be deported to mars so he can go through the martian legal system.
on July 21st, 2011 at 10:58 am
When a judge instructs you to answer “yes” or “no”, it’s usually best to pick one. Everytime I hear about sovereigns renouncing American citizenship, I think about the story “The Man Without a Country”. Sentencing them to life at sea without any news of home sounds like a good plan to me. Don’t we have a ship in mothballs we can devote to the purpose?
on July 21st, 2011 at 11:23 am
I realize that my first comment may have been a bit legally ignorant, since I don’t actually know what “documentation” the “Moor” was referring to. Since this is a law firm, can someone tell me whether this is a legitimate request for information, or convoluted legal nonsense?
@Skinnyminny – I say close Guantanamo, try John Ashcroft, John Yoo, Jay Bybee, and all of the other Bush-era torturers-in-chief for their crimes, and work with the remaining prisoners to try to integrate them back into society
@ruben – The quote about “Martian law”, if I understand it correctly, was not the guy himself, but the annoyed judge, engaging in dismissive mockery of the “Moor”. It may have been a play on words, since these people often claim to follow “Moorish law”.
on July 21st, 2011 at 12:11 pm
If the judge hadn’t used the word “Moorish” in a derogatory fashion by rendering it into “Martian,” I would have been happier. The use makes me uncomfortable because I believe it psychologically suggests a connection to viewing American Muslims as aliens as opposed to citizens. I definitely don’t view Mr. Kwame as a Muslim. However, if Judge Irwin is Muslim, I would have been more comfortable. I have a raunchy sense of humor, but I believe in observing the social etiquette of humor that respects “in – group/out – group.”
Indeed – Akeem Kwame is no different from one of the many flavors of the sovereign citizens – one flavor being those that abuse and misapply Christianity.
Does anybody know if Akeem Kwame’s belief systems (whatever they are) are connected to Farakkhan and The Nation of Islam? It would be interesting to find out because of some of their beliefs expressed about outer space that I’ve heard about.
on July 21st, 2011 at 12:14 pm
I love you all dearly, but you need to stop using single quotes. This isn’t the UK. In the US, you must use double quotes around words you wish to set off.
http://grammar.quickanddirtyti.....uotes.aspx
on July 21st, 2011 at 12:40 pm
@Jane: The Moorish Science Temple of America predates the Nation of Islam. The Moors were started by a guy who called himself Drew Ali in 1913; the NOI started in 1930. The NOI was started by a guy who called himself Wallace Fard Muhammad. Some say that Fard had earlier been a part of the Moors; today’s NOI reject that claim.
on July 21st, 2011 at 1:18 pm
Jonas: His answer is gibberish.
IAAL.
on July 21st, 2011 at 1:52 pm
@Timbo: Thank you for the chronology.
@Jonas: I really like what you said about trying the Bush – era torturers – in – chief, closing Guantanamo and trying to reintegrate the remaining prisoners into society. Unfortunately, the various implementations and permutations of The Patriot Act look like they are here to stay. The Patriot Act has ramped up the misapplication of hiring practices by both public and private employers by silently providing tacit approval for would – be employers to demand credit checks and the complete surrendering of one’s health history by would – be employees. I miss the days of applying for teaching jobs with fingerprints and a complete background check by the FBI. I’m serious. Prior to the Patriot Act, I occasionally encountered the credit check demand – however, it seemed more ceremonial in nature than anything else. I don’t recall encountering the demand for my health history prior to the Patriot Act.
on July 21st, 2011 at 2:19 pm
The Moorish Nation is a mega fraud brought to you by black nationalist who are trying as hard as they can to STEAL the Amerindian identity and achievements and their descendants heritage. How dare they claim indigenous status; this fantasy world created out of thin air with no scientific proof of being here before the TRUE NATIVE AMERICANS THROUGHOUT THE AMERICAS is an afront to all true indigenous Amerindians. Good, throw him behind bars if for nothing else for being a total fraud.
on July 21st, 2011 at 2:58 pm
@Jonas Rand: You make a fair observation regarding Kwame’s “non-answer.” My understanding of the case is that Kwame had made several appearances before Judge Irwin prior to the exchange I have described, all of them equally frustrating and fruitless. Kwame seemed not to understand that the judge could not act as his counselor, yet repeatedly refused to accept counsel to assist him. He had had plenty of opportunity to prepare for his trial, with or without an attorney, but had not, which is why the judge demanded a final “yes or no” answer. Since the story was more about the colorful exchange with the judge than about Kwame’s case specifically, I didn’t go into extensive detail about it. You have a keen eye!
@Jane Schiff: I could be wrong, but I interpreted the judge’s “Martian” comment not as an adulteration of “Moorish,” but simply as a general mocking reference to any non-U.S./Georgia law Kwame sought to invoke.
Robert Steinback
Deputy Editor, Hatewatch blog
Southern Poverty Law Center
on July 21st, 2011 at 2:59 pm
Surely this man is mentally ill; he needs treatment, not incarceration. (This is not meant as sarcasm; I’m perfectly serious.)
Lauri: it’s a useful distinction to use double quotation marks for actual verbatim quotations, single ones as ‘scare quotes’. Some publishers mandate the reverse, but most make the distinction.
on July 21st, 2011 at 3:29 pm
@Jane: I went back to look some things up, and I may have made some assumptions that weren’t true. The guy in this article, Akeem Kwame, may not be part of the Moorish Science Temple of America. He may be part of the remnants of what was called the Nuwaubian cult (there were/are a lot of names they use, like “United Nuwaubian Nation of Moors”; “Yamassee Native American Moors of the Creek Nation”; “Holy Tabernacle Ministries”; “Ansaru Allah Community”; and “Lodge 19 of the Ancient and Mystic Order of Malachizodok” and on and on…) which was founded in the 70′s. They moved in to Georgia in the early 90′s. When their leader Dwight York was sentenced to 135 years in jail for child molestation, their compound in Eatonton, Georgia was sold under government forfeiture in 2005, but the cult is still around. Akeem Kwame could be part of them. The Nuwaubians have some absolutely insane beliefs, so it would be no surprise to me that they may have embraced sovereign citizen philosophies.
on July 21st, 2011 at 3:57 pm
I’ve seen these guys trundle–literally–truckloads of “evidence” into a courtroom. The aspect of the behaviour in which this pitiful individual participates, as a vexatious litigant has been recently discussed in the psychiatric literature as indicative of a psychosis. I thnk the judge only gets an A-, but I think he did a lot better than I might have. When dealing with this the best way to keep from getting pulled into the emotional maelstrom is to keep a clinical, as well as legal view of this phenomenon.
on July 21st, 2011 at 3:58 pm
Jonas,
The key in Mr. Kwame’s request for documents is the phrase “original instruments,” which is sovereign citizen code for “nonexistent, imaginary documents.” The court presumably already had provided him with the real documents in the case, such as the criminal complaint or indictment against him, but of course as a sovereign citizen he would have claimed that those were all illegitimate.
on July 21st, 2011 at 4:01 pm
Jonas Rand,
I agree! Guantanamo should be closed for those purposes, in which, you described. However, when it comes to these type of Americans, that are on American soil, they should be sent to Guantanamo Bay. They should not, I repeat, should not sit on American soil and continue their repeated disrespect towards the government, threat and challenges to the government, which in almost all cases present an unintended threat to citizens caught in the crossfire. For example, when they run from the police, innocent drivers are in the way. When they try to ambush LE, innocent people may be in the way…
THINKWORLDPEACE,
that statement is debatable. The way our history books were written and the way it has been rewritten (i.e. Irving) we don’t know how long the ‘moorish’ have been here. If you look at the Phoenicians, everyone is taking claim of identity to this group of peoples coming to the Americas. We do know that the Native Americans were here, but, we don’t know who the Phoenicians are and at what time they came after the Native Americans.
***What is probably known and probably true, the Phoenicians were of small stature and very intelligent with manufacturing/designing/developing…perhaps they are the modern day Mayans, Jewish…not sure on this one.
on July 21st, 2011 at 4:38 pm
Jonas Rand,
I specifically say GB because afterall they say we have no jurisdiction/authority over them. Why should we put these people in a prison with other Americans, only to spread this type of behavior among others. Prisons are recruiting grounds for all types of groups and gangs. When you read some of the gangs or extremists bio’s, they most often cite jails and prisons for their behavior/actions/beliefs..i.e., they are looking into Muslims being recruited in the prisons.
on July 21st, 2011 at 4:45 pm
@Lauri J Owen, ‘[Y]ou need to stop using single quotes. This isn’t the UK.”
It isn’t the US, either. It is the Internet.
@RobNYNY1959 – Thanks, I stand corrected.
@Jane Schiff – no, it doesn’t. There is no “in-group, out-group” thing that needs to be respected. Akeem Kwame was claiming some sort of “sovereignty” nonsense as well as purposefully irking the judge. It has nothing to do with either Islam, nor should this Black supremacy be protected from mockery.
on July 21st, 2011 at 4:52 pm
I, however, parsed “Martian law” as a pun on “Moorish” law, but again, that does nothing to spread the idea that Muslims are extraterrestrials. “Moorish” does not equal “Muslim”.
on July 21st, 2011 at 5:46 pm
@Jane Schiff and Timbo:
Have a look at:
http://www.splcenter.org/get-i.....e-officers
Timbo’s account aligns with our research.
Robert Steinback
Deputy Editor, Hatewatch blog
Southern Poverty Law Center
on July 21st, 2011 at 10:06 pm
THINKWORLDPEACE,
I’m not being disrespectful, I am black, white, and native american. I do remember the stories (don’t know if true or not) about Cherokee Bill, and other stories about (Mulatto’s-at least that’s what some books say) having to translate Native American languages to the British when they (British) came ashore.
I say that I’m not going to take just any person’s word on all of this because if you look at some of the Native Americans in Canada and the Aboriginals in say, Australia, some are dark-skinned. Then look at some of the people in India (we used to call Indians as well, now we say Asians, or East Indians) it just makes this more confusing. Then you have the Nativists here in the U.S. claiming they were here first, which is something I don’t believe, especially with the fact that we’ve purchased states from Russia, France…that makes me think they were here before the Americans (British).
It is said, that some of the ‘Mulatto’s’ from Africa, that were ‘freed slaves’ traveled the Americas. As far as the Moorish peoples, I can’t comment on that specific group of people. I know that I’ve seen some of the indigenous peoples in the Commonwealth of Dominica, and they appear to have features of the Mayans that I’ve seen and know. My family is from the Mid-West. I’ve never been there. Yet, one of my relatives looks like a twin of one of the Native Americans ancestors at one of the casinos here in Califas.
on July 22nd, 2011 at 12:02 am
This guy’s got a great sense of humor. I thought Moors were Black Spaniards, based on the old joke about their winning a battle agaist the Basques when the Basques couldn’t escape the only door in their fort, the moral being “don’t put all your Basques in one exit”.
on July 22nd, 2011 at 10:36 am
Martian law?
Huh first think that came to mind was marvin the martian from bugs bunny
on July 22nd, 2011 at 2:03 pm
@ Everyone – Robert’s link to Leah Nelson’s report is sobering.
http://www.splcenter.org/get-i…..e-officers
on July 22nd, 2011 at 7:54 pm
Jesus these people are bunch of sickos, was reading the splc reports on them and there history is filled with murders,criminality and there leader was convicted for multiple child molestions offenese
on July 23rd, 2011 at 12:28 am
Ever hear of Prince Madoc? Supposedly from somewhere in Scandinavia, got run out of Wales, came here with some other yahoos outfitted with old Roman armor way before Columbus, built a big stone fort 14 miles upriver from Louisville on the “Rose Island” area. The smaller stones of that are in old chimneys all over Southern Indiana and the big ones base the Big Four Railroad Bridge in Louisville. Had a big camp near Sand Island at the Falls of the Ohio. The Native Americans considered that area common land for all tribes, and nicely told him so. He said basically, too bad, it’s my land now.. Chief Blackhawk of the Cherokee united all the local tribes for one mission, to kill every last one of them blond so and so’s.
on July 23rd, 2011 at 4:24 pm
The Vinland settlement was the first known settlement in the Americas, centuries before Columbus. It was built by Scandinavians, namely Vikings, but it was located in what is today the Maritime Provinces, nowhere near Indiana and not on the North American mainland. After the settlement was abandoned, there were no known European explorations/settlements in the Americas until the 1492 voyage.
on July 23rd, 2011 at 4:35 pm
“Jesus these people are bunch of sickos, was reading the splc reports on them and there history is filled with murders,criminality and there leader was convicted for multiple child molestions offenese”
I think you are mistaking the group to which this person belonged with another one. This nut almost surely belonged to the Moorish Science Temple of America, a very old Black supremacist cult (possibly the first in the USA?) predating the NOI. They are racist and quasi-Muslim, calling their holy book the Koran, their holy places mosques, etc. Their leader, Prophet Noble Drew Ali, is dead and was never convicted, to my knowledge of any such thing.
The Moorish Science Temple has members who are part of the sovereign citizens’ movement, a broader group of loosely affiliated individuals who follow certain “gurus” that speak at seminars. Sovereign citizens have no particular “leader”, and adherents to the ideology are dedicated to the movement in varying degrees. They are not racist per se and are not mostly Black supremacists.
You are probably referring to the Nuwaubians, a different Black supremacist cult whose leader was convicted of rape, child sexual abuse, and sexual assault. They believed in aliens, Bible codes, Blacks as the pillars of world civilization (including that Jesus and the Prophet Muhammad were Black), and most strongly, they believed in their leader, Dr. Malachi Z. York (the child rapist). There are still existing adherents to Nuwaubianism, who are pushing for their leader’s release from prison.
The three groups/movements are not the same.
on July 23rd, 2011 at 9:33 pm
Jonas, they may not have been the only ones. A stone with Templaresque carvings turned up in Minnesota, entwined in the roots of an old tree. Another similar artifact surfaced near Brandenburg, Ky. George Rogers Clark wrote about oral histories of blond haired, blue eyed “Indians” that some people think refer to Madoc. The Interpretive Center at the Falls of the Ohio State Park in Clarksville Indiana has the Brandenburg stone and displays some Roman coins found in the river bed near the falls there, with a short noncomittal storyboard, calling him an unverified legend. Nobody knows how these artifacts are related, if at all, but not every history in the world has been well recorded.
on July 24th, 2011 at 9:26 am
Your right Rand, Sorry i confuessed these two together.
on July 24th, 2011 at 5:35 pm
I didn’t take the Judge’s comments on Martian law to be a play on the ‘Moorish Law’ either. I took it that the Judge was fed up and just took another word that began with M to finish his statement. Honestly, I got a huge kick out of the Judge’s comments. And, yep, I do work in the legal field.
on July 25th, 2011 at 1:32 pm
Here’s one of my favorite links for exploration:
http://www.ethnologue.com/family_index.asp
Ethnologue language family index
on July 27th, 2011 at 3:04 pm
I say aloney baloney meaharjah kaboomala.
That makes as much sense as anything the idiot “Moorish” national had to say.
on August 2nd, 2011 at 7:25 am
Have you folks looked around you lately? You are in America! Living here requires you to abide by the laws of your state. I don’t care what you say you are, if you don’t want to abide by this country’s laws, leave and go to a country that suits your tastes. Did you hear me? GET OUT!!!!! Enough of this BS already!
on August 24th, 2011 at 3:51 pm
PLEASE READ
OK people let me explain to you how all of you are wrong and Akeem Kwame is write, America is not a nation, it is a corporation and it use to be called the east Indian corporation and when they came here the Europeans claimed all the land and the people and named them Indians as there property. the so called Indians were moors (black people) that’s what a moor is and native American who are (Asiatic moors) all Amerindian test positive as black in all DNA test. this land that you call America was rename from Amorica meaning( I am Moor ) white people could not call them selves moors under international law, white people in Africa can not call them selves Africans, so they call them selves Africana’s. so white people had to call them selves Americans. native American’s call them selves Natives and not indiginest people so they can get the tribal money from the government. white settlers erase all of the history of the moor’s so that the children can never claim there home land in international court. so they told us that we came from central Africa, but what you call America is really NW Africa and its the land of the moorish people. every the America Corp and the untied federal Corp (UN State) sign a treaty to operate on these lands every 50 years, its call the treaty of 1778, look it up on the net it’s there. This country belongs to morocco and all blacks and native Americans are Moroccans, also see the friendship treaty between morocco and America. he is Islamic, the word ISLAM has nothing to do with religion it stands for
I-I, S-Self, L-Law, A-am, M-aster. The constitution was not written by the founding fathers it was drafted by them read the history books and it say’s drafted, it was written by the ambassador of morocco, to protect the Moroccan people, moor’s, and the original is in morocco today. there are federal court cases where judges have told white people in court that the constitution was never written to protect you, that’s what they are talking about. George Washington was not the first president, he was the 8th, George Hinson was the first president and a Moor, he was the first under the newly formed United States and George Hinson was the first under the continental congress and jefferson was the second under the continental congress. Also this country was once ruled by Egypt look up the valley of kings in the grand canyon. All that you were taught in this country is a lie to cover up the real owners of this land. Indian children were taken from there parents and put in indian schools to teach them that they were native and the aboriginal people and there not moor’s and blacks (moor’s) were put in slavery in violation of the original constitution and the treaty of 1778, how they got around the treaty was to claim that all moor’s were Negro’s changing there international status, this is NW Africa, NW morocco. Think of it as this if California broke off from America and over a thousand years from now will it still be America yes it would be. and it is breaking off from the main land now.
on August 24th, 2011 at 5:15 pm
@ Mal Black
That is an astounding story; it makes David Icke’s claims look balanced and well-researched by comparison. I can’t tell if you’ve really been severely brainwashed or forgot to take your meds…or if you’re just trolling. :(
on August 26th, 2011 at 12:43 am
I have a open mind so why don’t you. do the research for yourself. don’t read the mainstream BS and take the time and read the treaty’s. Start at the Smithsonian, the treaty’s are all on public display, better yet call them and ask for yourself. i mind you that I am very clear headed and would never result in insults because I’m ignorant to you nations history. Call any one in Europe over the age of 50 and ask them what country this is and I bet you 100 to 1 they will tell you morocco, and read all the old news paper pre 1940 and they refer to America as morocco. then come back and post what ever you want. look at a world map and you can see that thousands of years ago this continent was connected to africa.
on September 12th, 2011 at 10:00 am
While Mal Black’s comments may not be presented in the most readable format, they may indeed be rooted in facts. The problem is that people that either don’t know exactly what they are talking about, or they are unable to present the information in an understandable way. The latter seems to be Mr. Black’s biggest obstical.
The idea that the UNITED STATES, (Notice the caps), acts as a corporation is supported by quite a bit of evidence. Also there is evidence that you have a straw man and it may be possible to declare sovereignty.
Now, there is a process to go through and it seems the defendant in the original story only verbally declared sovereignty and did not file the appropriate paperwork. In addition, you can NOT infringe on another’s constitutional rights and expect to avoid punishment because you are sovereign.
There is enough to learn about this to create a four year college program out of it. Absolutely more than I can cover in a post, and I’ve only just begun to discover these things, myself.
If you are really interested, Google is your friend. I started with gaining an understanding the Federal Reserve and fractional reserve banking. That in itself is enough to get your blood boiling! From there begin researching the United States as a corporation. You’ll have to filter through the sites that can’t back up the claims with law or cite their sources, but there are some that do. I was surprised to find YouTube to be a good source of info, too.
As for people that believe they are being patriotic by telling dissenters to gtfo of the country, you are being counterproductive. As stated by someone dead and famous that I can’t remember, “Dissention is the highest form of patriotism.” Question everything before discarding it as falsehood.
on September 12th, 2011 at 10:16 am
Also, Sam Malloy, I liked your joke.
on October 13th, 2011 at 7:36 pm
if you want to know if America and the united states are corporations go to Cornell law library online or google it and it will say united states is a united federal corporation and the moor was not taking the property of someone, he was claiming it as unclaimed property, as a aboriginal moor, banks can’t own land or money see banking act, David said he didn’t file papers you don’t have to file papers if that is his birth right. what he need to do is remove his case to fed court under title 1446 under international law or tittle 1331 under constitutional law section 2 art 6 international treaty and bring the treaty of 1778 with him, that’s his remady
on January 4th, 2012 at 1:13 am
Not using my name for obvious reasons. Decades ago, I was a member of the original organization, and studied the original doctrine. As a former executive, I can tell you that 99.9999 % of these people have no connection with the Moorish Temple and no intention of being lawful members of society. They have merely stumbled across some of the information that they have twisted beyond recognition. My time in the temple changed me from a juvenile delinquent and CRIMINAL, to a hard working family man of 30 years, raising with my wife, 4 children, two of whom have attained masters degrees . The founder taught respect and support for our American country and government, not this foolishness. Any sincere inquiry will reveal that these confused individuals and bootleg groups have no desire to obey the law of the land. If the law decides to grant then their proclaimed ” sovereign status ” and begins to ship them to any place on earth that will accept them as exiles, I guarantee you this foolishness will cease overnight !
on May 9th, 2012 at 10:36 pm
Good for him! If more people do this we may be able to break free of our ownership by the foreign banks.
on September 9th, 2012 at 8:54 am
@ all the negative & misinformed who made comments as to who should be sent or kicked out of the Americas, in particular the United States of America are ignorant to history & the Law! Even, the so-called legal scholars! First of all, the pale skinned nations of Europe, particularly Britains are Foreign invaders & thieves who were criminals themselves & sent to this land in search of resources which they later stole from the natives of this land. Now, Christopher Columbus never stepped foot on The shores of North America & wouldn’t have made it to the west indies, if it wasn’t for his navigators who were Moors! They knew the route because they had been here before, at least there forefathers who had given them the MAP! Moors were Navi. ators of the seven seas. It’s been reported that, “The Moors were up & down the Mississippi before the Europeans got here. Refer to the Book,w “They Came Before Columbus” by Lerone Bennett,
on September 19th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
@Mal Black,
You are correct in your teaching, but you must realize that you are in a society that is controlled by white supremacists. They know if Blacks ever found out the truth that they will be even more powerful than before. They have spend their entire life brainwashing Blacks and never intend to repay what they have stolen. We all know that the truth will come forth and it is just a matter of time. This entire system the whites have created is fallen and believe me and you this Babylon system will be destroyed. I like to remind them of Revelations 2:9. I would urge anyone to visit http://www.youtube.com and insert: white woman tell the truth; then after watching type: white man tell the truth. The time will come where Blacks will regain their power and rightful authority. This is not about race, its about Truth. Its a shame that whites are still trying to protect what they did not own from the beginning. May I remind them that the old KKK clans and their ancestors are being permanently removed and their children do not buy in the evil they have brought upon the land. Despite all that has happened, I can honestly say many were affected by the economy downfall but look around you…the ones that were and still is affected the most and hit the hardest are the whites. They have built a system that even now they can not control anymore. They are the epitome of John 8:43-44. They are like their father because he was a liar from the beginning, he is the father of lies…For anyone who is claiming sovereignty, the only thing you have to do is wait and exercise patience…In time everything that belongs to you will eventually find it way back to its rightful owners…The Truth Is Here and all you have to do people is open your eyes and keep an open mind. If anyone has stolen anything, its the judge who is trying to steal the freedom of this man by placing him in a holding cell as an animal. Jails are the new age slavery. What made the judge so upset because the judge knows this man is being truthful. The judge knows he did not sign the correct oath and there is no such as legalese, that is a bunch of hogwash gibberish and the judge knows this.All this man had to do is say, before he answers anything from the judge is that, Before I answer that, grant me immunity from state and federal prosecution. Then he could say I do not have an attorney for sentencing, nobody would sign my contract. Now this would have really heated the hatred in the judge if Kwame would have told him, I do not accept you as my judge. or Judge, do you hold the full judicial power of the state? or is it the military power? or perhaps he could have said, The judge’s office was not created by law. Now this is the question no judge ever want to hear….Your Honor, are you a Mason? Mr. Prosecutor, are you a Mason? (these are ways to shut down a court case)
And for Kwame, I recommend the next time you appear in any court which I doubt you will ever after the psychological testing. They are going to classify you as psychological disturbed because you are a challenge to them and they want to discredit you before the people…They know if it is ever proven in the eyes of the public you are right then you will gain much power…But if you ever have to go before any of them again…This should simply be your answer: “I decline to swear the oath. If I swear the oath, I will be waiving the right to challenge the authority of the person who is administering the oath. I do not waive this right.” The statue says the clerk shall record ALL (notice cap letters) orders. I order this case dismissed. Supposedly I am presumed to know the law, however, it is physically impossible for me to read the over 60 million statues plus everything ever published in the Federal Register. Take judicial notice that I do not know the entire law and nor do you judge! No state has the right to own any citizen. Every citizen is a free agent and the ones who call themselves Americanas and Americans knows this to be The Truth!
on October 25th, 2012 at 7:08 pm
I just found this article,i hope someone is here to answer this
question.The laws this individual is referring to,is it admiralty
law,and is the conversation he was having corporate jargon.I am a baptist and according to some of our text the USA is
a corporation and governed as such.With that particular form
of law,recognized around the world .Is that true?
on October 28th, 2012 at 1:57 pm
Typical ignorant white supremacist answers. You don’t own shit cave dwellers therefore you have no say so in anything. Learn YOUR history, study archaelogy, travel, do whatever you have to do to get your heads out of you assholes. Goodness gracious.
on December 16th, 2012 at 5:22 pm
True Moorish American know how to defend themselves under the rule of Law, while this is and example of what happens to African Americans that haven’t studied and Legally Claimed there Moorish Nationality. you cant use this science as a tool. if you have not claimed your Birthrights first.
on January 9th, 2013 at 3:53 pm
There is a legitimate question as to who the sovereign authority in the USA is and who is the ultimate authority.
The people individually and severely created a Constitution in which they delegated a govt to fulfill duties . Those duties were to protect the people by use of arms when necessary, to provide the general welfare etc.
However, what if govt doesn’t obey of fulfill the duties given it?
Under our framework, it isn’t govt that is sovereign but the people who created it! Therefore if govt fails to do what the those who created it intended them to do, they those same people have not only the duty but the power to do what must be done.
Somehow in America we have forgotten this. We seem to believe that govt is the master and not the people. Yet juries are supreme in decisions not govt by use of courts. The people set the morality both for their states. cities. towns and the federal govt as well.
The people in California recently decided that gay marriage is illegal in California. They can also inform the federal govt that it is illegal under the sovereign authority of the people.
Govt cant use a Constitution given them by that same sovereign authority to not abide by the will of the sovereigns of the state. The people simply didn’t delegate that authority to any govt .and they surely didn’t put it into their Consitution!
Who or what is sovereign in America? Is it the people who created the Constitution and a govt or is it govt and Constitution created by those same people? IN creating a Constitution the people delegated authority to the govt but they never relinquished their right to remove that authority, abolish the Constitution and decide who shall and shall marry in America@
on February 10th, 2013 at 6:41 pm
If you knew anything about the origins of law, Kwame isn’t speaking gibberish.
on February 14th, 2013 at 8:20 pm
Actually, there is a lot of undue hostility of on this article. The issue of sovereignty is a legitimate one. America is founded upon British common law and the Founding Fathers were lawyers. We separated from Church and State, but still recognize God as a legal point of authority which we derive natural rights. The natural rights of persons which consent to be governed in exchange for the protection of the State is the foundation of the United States.
The Caveat: Who is a person? Until the 20th Century it was White Men who were Persons. If you were not a person you were somone who is consented to rule by benefits granted by the State, who dictated your legal status.
The Colonies in and of themselves were granted ability to govern and do commerce by extended corporate royal charters, which derived their authority form Kings and the Pope.
In separation “Self Evident” natural rights under direct authority of a non denominational supreme God, the United States cut out the middle man and legally separated from Europe, and then bought up the other corporate bodies in North America. Anyone can create a Bill and if a period of time passes the bill is accpeted unless it is disputed. I can give you a bill for 10k as a business and attempt to collect if you do nothing, and then sell it to a debt collector. The Bill of Rights , and “Declaration” of Independance uses the Roman/British/Vatican system of that recognizes God as supreme authority.
The British Army could make the United States withdraw their declarations and so they became Sovereign States that had to be recognized under the existing British Empire which at the time pretty much controlled the world.
The rest of the European concessions added the land of their colonies to the independent ones from Great Britain. The question now is that if you benefit from implied consent of U.S. Citizenship to be governed you gain Nationality and have consequences from your status. Most people know that their were Native American nations that had legitimate title to govern themselves and these Nationhood was recognized with official treatise as foreign nations, although these treatise were broken and conceded with the status that comes with living on a reservation.
One nation that the U.S declared a protective treaty that still stands is from the Treaty of Morocco. It is downplayed that Muslim and African nations (especially North African) had contributed to the early U.S and had protected Diplomatic status on American soil Being “negro” or “black” and a “slave” in was as much a regulation of legal personhood rather than the only fact that one was of Black African Descent.
The Moorish Temple in America was a recognition that those of african/muslim descent are given rights of “person: and also that of a protected sovereign foreign national. Some do this by declaration, many do this by research into their own family history. This is why many names that are considered “black” in the united states, malik, hakeem, kareem etc are actually Arabic because of the large intermixed population from Muslim African nations.
The loss of any protected status largely happend as a result of reconstruction, where african americans were recognized persons and even held political positions, until virtually all were once regulated to the status of “negroe”. Race in america soley by color has always been a legal distinction, because their is no other reference to claim of status by national origin alone for most people. Titles of nobility became replaced by race, class and gender.
Legal personhood was granted to “negroes” in the 1960′s, but Noble Drew Ali asserted himself as a Moorish national under the Treaty of Morocco. Whether others declare themselves Moorish, or use claim of right by ancestry, what they are attempting to do has historical precedent. Others that attempt to become sovereign of their own accord, must know exactly what they are doing or they are incurring debt and use of services of the government on whose land they reside and do commerce in, and subject to punishment if debt and crimes are committed.
Whether one agrees or disagrees with the idea of becoming “stateless”, it is not that outlandish when the entire legal history of the western world takes authority that consent to be governed is implied by the granting of “personhood’ (rather than being chattel, or moveable property) with the state taking its authority from God Almighty. All Grammar and Spelling errors are mine. Go read a book.
on March 19th, 2013 at 6:51 pm
I am a natural born sovereign of the Moorish Empire; my Moorish ancestors have lived in this land for thousands of years. My nation Morocco is the first country whose head of state publicly recognize the independence of the United States of America and in 1787 a Treaty of Peace and Friendship was signed in Marrakech Morocco and ratified in 1836. It is still in force making it the longest unbroken treaty in American history.
on March 26th, 2013 at 2:25 am
this truth has brought so much life to my blood I’ve just started studing and researching moors so far it has been wonderful, truth I started w/u tube, birth certificates, UCC,moorish,black law dictionary, google,dictionaries to define terms you think u know yale university lib online the constitutions, indian law, kjv, these are a people rob and …none say restore… I SAY RESTORE
on April 5th, 2013 at 2:03 am
First of all he committed a crime … stealing someone is taking a lost meaning their is a victim so therefore they got him. When u are sovereign you come in peace and yet uphold the law. I declare my soverignty when they try and take my rights away I am a queen how dare u tell me what I cant do if im not hurting anyone Im free. Im no ones property and u should never place no one above but God. All these years of brain washing the people are afraid of a government that works for us we put them there we pay themm to sit on there buttocks fat checks while we work hard for pennies and if u make alot they taking alot of it so how can you WIN. Time to WAKE UP FORGET COLOR REGARDLESS WHAT COLOR YOU ARE YOU ARE ALL SLAVES. JESUS SAID HOW CAN U TAX A LAND THAT BELONGS TO MY FATHER. THOSE WHO ARE LOST GET AN UNDERSTANDING OF THE 14 th amendment to me the whole corporation is a BIG GANG. WAKE UP PEOPLE YOU JUST A NUMBER FOR TRACKING AND MONEY. ONCE WE ALL UNDERSTAND THERE IS ONLY ONE TRUE GOD THAT WE ALL PRAY TO AND STOP SEPERATING EACH OTHER BECAUSE OF RELIGION WHAT WAS GOD NAME HIS COLOR DO IT MATTER WE NEED TO COME TOGETHER AND LIFT EACH OTHER AS A NATION COME ON PEOPLE THIS WHAT KEEPS THEM IN BUSINESS OUR SEPERATION. #revolution going to come from our children because this generation is 2 afraid the young would teach the old how its done God bless all
on May 12th, 2013 at 4:55 pm
These comments have strayed pretty far from the real subject here. Let’s face some facts here people.
Firstly @ Mr Black…. Saying there is genetic markers that link 2 races of people together does not denote an indigenous right or qualify you for sovereignty. IE: Just because African Blacks share genetic similarity to American Natives does not make them the same or prove birthright. Studies have shown that there are also genetic distinctions between the two races as well, this information just isn’t published (or most likely simply ignored) by groups that want to use incomplete science to create a “Legal” argument that supports their cause.
Secondly, creating the argument that he had legal right to seize property he had no rights to (Other than apparently his self justified theft of said property AFTER He sent paperwork to the original owner, claiming he was a banker and asking her to sign the quitclaim deed, then forged documents and falsely identified himself as the homeowners husband in an attempt to modify the loan), while interesting, has no foothold in legality. It’s simply a justification for a theft backed up by poorly informed people who really don’t know any more about law than what they learned on Youtube…..
While Sovereignty is a real and tangible thing, it’s also a widely abused goal by groups and individuals in order to escape the requirements of Citizenship. Obey Laws, be taxed, be productive in your own right. It’s clear that it’s much easier to seize a property and claim right to it than work and pay for it. Most of these groups don’t feel the need to prove their birthright, and instead use bunk science and propaganda to validate their point of view.
Personally, if I were you, Mr Black, I would not decry White Supremacists and then Espouse Black Supremacist teachings. Frankly, that just calls into question everything you say. This Country may be run as a corporation, but it’s kept that way by Bigoted Racists, the Ignorant, and the Apathetic. The color of your skin does not entitle you to anything in this society, color is just used by the politically strong to keep us weak and fighting against one another. It’s clear that this tactic is quite effective by some of the posts here. Nonetheless, your personal racist beliefs do not make a legal argument, nor have you linked them to anything about this case.
To all of you who say Akeem Kwame should be kicked out of this country or incarcerated for his OPINIONS: You should be ashamed of yourselves. I couldn’t think of anything less American than jailing people for their beliefs. That’s the true slippery slope we all sit on. How long after that might any of you be considered a “Dangerous Radical” and jailed without cause? If you think it’s an impossibility you might want to rethink your “Love it or leave it” agenda. Alot of positive changes have been made since this country began by people who did love this country and didn’t leave it.
Should he be tried in the court? Yes. He has not established “Sovereignty” in any way, and is therefore a United States Citizen and under jurisdiction of the laws of this country. The judge asking he go through psychological testing is just his way of covering his bases and ensuring his judgement is not quickly overturned. It’s clear from his comments he doesn’t think he is dealing with someone who has psychological problems, but with someone he thinks of as possibly an idiot. Spend enough time in the courtroom and you’ll learn.
In this case, throwing him in jail had the desired effect. Upon returning to the court after 2 weeks in jail Akeem Kwame apologized for wasting the courts time and agreed to hire a lawyer. I have no doubt, in time, he will be found guilty of the crimes he’s accused of (charges he doesn’t deny himself, he just feels he is immune to the law) and sent to jail for legitimate reasons.
on May 27th, 2013 at 8:50 pm
I’m curious, how many among us are experts in history, the law, the statutes, and therefore are qualified to speak to the legitimacy or the accuracy of our understanding? Speaking for myself, I’ve been studying the so-called “Sovereign” movement for over 5 years and continually confirm that the more I learn the greater my awareness is of my ignorance and it seems to increase in congruent proportion as well. I have found that many hold sacred the teachings of their schools, churches and selected references through which they obtained their knowledge.
I understand completely. Because to think otherwise would be to shatter your whole reality potentially and in that instance you have to start from a dark void rebuilding the world around you. I know because I used to say, in reference to 9/11 conspiracy theorists, “those people should be ashamed or evaluated…have they no sense of respect for the victims’ families?” It was just by chance that I happened upon some very comprehensive materials that asked questions pertaining to the event and provided mainstream sources to supplement their queries. Quickly I was faced with a belief-threatening proposition. I now maintain that those that believe the official reports and dismiss the conspiracy theory are likely not willing to let go of (in Gore terms) the convenient truth and may never humor anything that might challenge their cozy reality. Again, I get it.
I, on the other hand, in 4th grade stopped standing for the pledge of allegiance because I didn’t feel being compelled to swear loyalty was right. You earn the favor of your supporters by merit and not by force or conditioned behavior. Adding to this, I loudly voice my position that I do NOT support our troops. I know I just struck a nerve with many on that one. But this is, in part, my point. When our elected leaders decided that we should invade a sovereign nation against international law, treaties and without constitutional authority, that should reveal to you that the law is of no concern to them.
Now, I know it was an emotional time and many of you probably endorsed the idea. I never did. Why? Because unlike many of you (I’m in no way claiming to be better), I don’t buy into the idea of separating the human race and I believe humans are humans and killing them is wrong. If everyone takes just a step toward the truth of what acted as the catalyst for that massacre still going on today, I wonder would there be an equal amount of mob mentality once we learned that the culprits were white and American and Israeli (in my humble opinion). The government lied and covered up many facts regarding the subject and that is record of fact, like it or not. Are they interested in truth, justice and the American way? I guess that depends on your definition.
The not so recent bailouts is another insight into your beloved system. Any of you who might have been against it? Do you even have any idea the corruption, collusion and abuse of power that was involved there. Do you know how much was robbed from the people? And do you see any glaring deficiencies in justice as it is dispensed?
You’re living amid Corporatism and it would appear that yes, you and your government have corporate status (if for no other reason because real humans and fictitious entities by maxim of law cannot contract with one another) if you are a U.S. citizen. But that is your choice. The government derives its powers from the consent of the governed. I read that somewhere. Hmm…anyone know where? The U.S. citizen is the make-believe you that affords you the ability to contract with other make-believe “persons.” It also diminished your status as Sovereign state Citizen to a government created debt slave with civil rather than unalienable rights.
This is some of the “garbage” and “gobbledy-gook” that is being fomented by these terrorists you abhor so much. Now what I speak with apparent authoritative tone is in fact hearsay or conjecture admittedly when it comes from myself. I have not read every possible reference and cross-reference to dispute or confirm absolutely. Frankly, I am amazed that anyone has the time to devote to a fraction of the necessary reading to get a handle on what is or is not true. And even with that luxury, legalese is written in such a complex manner that to comprehend a minute amount would require an education that, judging from the scores of grammatical and spelling errors of those who have posted, is beyond the level of our competency.
Freedom should be simple. I realize that we as a people have ourselves to blame. But it’s because we have exalted government so that when anything happens, we whine government do something. Sometimes it’s none of their business.
If you still believe that you’re not property, ask yourself: Apart from monetary enrichment, why does the government require that you wear a seat belt? Or why do they mandate that you have car insurance? Could it be that as property they own, you are a liability in the public and as such are their responsibility? You think they care about your safety? They do. A farmer cares about his cow. A super-farm or mega-farm cares with less sentimentality. They will speed to catch you speeding to write you a ticket for doing what they just did that endangered an equal amount of the public to an equal degree.
You have been deceived and like the house slaves of our regrettable past, you are willing to sell out your own kind for the favor of Master. Massa! Dem haz done dat! Don’t you go talkin’ no ill words about Massa! I show do thank god dat Massa is my boss. I show know I would jus make a mess o things if’n I’s gibben my freedoms.
I’m curious, how many among us are experts in history, the law, the statutes, and therefore are qualified to speak to the legitimacy or the accuracy of our understanding?
As an agnostic I would say: I only know that I don’t know anything. And as one was reported as saying:
Do unto others as thou would have done to thyself
& Judge not, lest thee be judged.
Love your neighbor as yourself
Sorry to stray. The man, if he stole, wronged his brother. That under any law system is a crime. Absent a victim, crimes are manufactured by the state and generate revenue for the corporations posing as government. It’s business and it’s applicable to those “persons” who have submitted applications to be employed by the corporation… not applicable to a “man” or a “woman.”
Unless I’m wrong.
on July 5th, 2013 at 1:44 pm
this is the moors country so how do a judge have da right to put them in jail
on July 19th, 2013 at 11:07 pm
The FAUD that is fake jugde did is agaist a nateral persons man made rights and this person is in his country the jugde is not in his and they should deport the fake judge and his cronyssend the us bach to the pope and crown that own it out side our land
There may be much truth to the claim that the Fourteenth Amendment to the federal constitution was instigated by the legal professionals’ trade union, now known as The American Bar Association. Many facts support the claim that this “Bar” monopoly was established in Christian America, immediately after Lincoln’s (un)Civil War, to create and substitute a ‘colorless’ system of uniformed general slavery to replace the previous system of black slavery. This was to have been implemented by guaranteeing a monopoly of the courts for their own member attorneys, judges, and Municipal Corporations (City, County, and State). This monopolizing and unlawful labor union, The Bar Association, has forbidden anyone but their own exclusive member attorneys to give legal advice or representation, which has prevented any Good and Lawful Christian from being assisted in these purported ‘Courts of Law’ by a non-union lawyer or by a “non-lawyer”, as used in their own terminology.
Lawyers (Attorn-ers) — Just a Poem …
Law… could still be as simple as the Ten, set down in stone away back when. Trial… could still be a simple chain of events, of un-embellished testimony and evidence.
Alas… simple Laws didn’t provide enough bread, to keep the old time Barrister’s fed. So… somewhere back in the mists of olden times, proto lawyers (Attorn-ers) decided,
“We can rake in more dimes!” “If we write the Laws in such a way, “The fools will have to pay our exorbitant fee, if they want any chance of staying… Free!”
Thus began our contorted Legal System, ending any semblence of common sence or reason. ‘Lawyers’ (attorn-ers) … had come upon the Earhtly scene, and from that day on… ‘LAW’has become obscene
Lawyers (attorn-ers) … are really a totally useless group. Their only function… to invent and dispense Bull poop. Spewing out reams of blarney and hocus pocus, to ensure ‘Truth and Justice’stay just out of focus.
When Lawyers (attorn-ers) can’t make enough in the Court, they seek out the ‘Employer of Last Resort’. They’ll troll about for ANY political offers, too more lavishly swill from the Public coffers!
on July 19th, 2013 at 11:11 pm
This is THE AMERICAS NOT THE US
on July 26th, 2013 at 4:35 pm
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